Anuncer this is Washington Week. Corporate funding is provided by when the world gets complicated, a lot goes through your mind. With fidelity wealth management, a dedicated advisor can tailor advice and commendations to your life. Thats fidelity wealth management. Announcer additional funding is provided by the estate of arnold adams and koo and Patricia Yuen through the yuen foundation. Committed to bridging cultural differences in our communities. The corporation for public broadcasting and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. Thank you. Once again, from washington, moderator robert costa. Robe good evening. The divide between President Trump and Health Experts over schools remains a central tension in washington. With the president pressuring governors. This week, he warned that he might cut off federal funds if classrooms remain shuttered. And he urged the c. D. C. To soften its recommendations. This all comes as cases soar. And states are implementing orders on face coverings with some Health Officials even urging new stay at home orders. And it comes as an abc news ipsos poll out friday shows two thirds ofmericans disapprove of the president s handling of the pandemic. Listen to the different messages this week from the president and dr. Anthony fauci. President trump its tim to be open. Its time to stay open. And we will put out the fires as they come up. But we have to open our schools. Were not closing. Well never close. Youll have certain areas that will have difficulty and theyll do what they have to do. And that will be largelyp to the governors. Then tre are sometimes when despite the guidelines and the recommendations to open up carefully and prudently some states skipped over those and just opened up too quickly. Certainly florida, inow, you know, i hink jped over a couple of checkpoints. Robert joining me tonight, yamiche alcindor, White House Correspondent for the pbs newshour. Paula reid, White House Correspondent for cbs news. Cleve r. Wootson jr. , National Political reporter for the Washington Post. And eamon javers, washington correspondent for cnbc. A lot of news tonight. But lets start with the schools. Earlier today, i spoke with new jersey governor phil murphy, a democrat. He told me that he still planning to have inperson leng this fall. But knows many challenges are ahead. He also told me his state needs 20 billion in direct federal aid to shore up its budget. Paula, open up your notebook. What is the inside scoop othe president s Pressure Campaign . Well, up until now, the administration has really deferred to local leaders to determine when they want to reopen their communities based on the situation on the ground. But then you saw this week when it comes to schools the president issuing this broad mandate that all schools must open in the fall or else, potentially he will cut funding when in fact we know most schools are locally funded. And hes also made other threats. Hes made it clear that hes putting pressure on governors. And the question is, why is he taking this approach to schools specifically when hes deferred to states on so many other aspects of this pandemic . And as we the white house advisors im told the president knows that in order to get parents back to work you need to get kids back to class. And for the president , a lot of this is about hoping that that woul give an economic boost to the u. S. Ahead of his reelection in november. But one of the most significant things out of the administration this week is the fact that dr. Burks, she said that we really dont really have that much data on covid and children because the under 10 set is least tested. Robert thats exactly right. Youve been pressing the administration on that question all week. Yamiche, youve been talking to education aders across the country. Head of the National Education association. What are you learning about what they need to see in these schools to make coming back feasible . What they need to see is really a sustained evidence th there is virus that is going down and that cases are going down. So a lot of these educators, they want to make sure theyre not putting teachers in dangerous positions or students in dangerous positions. So the president has said, well, this is a virus that seems pretty safe for children. But theres a catch to that. And that is that they could infect their teachers. And every situation and every city is kind of experiencing this pandemic in different ways. And one of the key things that the c. D. C. Demrines says right now Administration Says right now, and there are classrooms that have 30 or 40 students often crammed in a classroom trying to with one teacher to get through the day. Theres a really no situation including in new york where you heard from the mayor, bill de blasio, that they could have all of those students in these buildings and still social distance. So thats why you saw the president this week criticizing thc. D. C. Saying he thinks that their guidelines are too tough. Tooxpensive, impractical. There was that statement from Vice President pence that e c. D. C. As going to be changing their guidelines because directly of the president s criticisms. But the c. D. C. Says today actually thats not true. We wont bessuing any new guidelines and guessing out more documents on the existing guidelines. So theres a real pressure campgn by President Trump to get these schools back open. About the educators and local leaders are saying unless we can do this safely were not going to do it. Robert cleve, im so glad youre on the program. Because youve been reporting for weeks, months, for the Washington Post in florida. And florida is seeing a spike in cases. How is that surge in cases affecting the politics in that key state . Yeah. Were looking at a situation where one out of every 100 floridians has coronavirus, right . And people are petrified. Theyre worried. Theyre afraid. But i think theyre also beginning to look at, you know, what is the reason for this . What is the cause of it . Why are one in every four coronavirus cases, you know, in florida . And whether theres a political reason, whether its the governor who should do something differently . Robert and is the governor whats the governor Governor Ron Desantis whats his political outlook at this moment . Hes so close to President Trump. Yeah. You know, back in april, ron desantis had a News Conference in the holy office oval office with President Trump saying desantis is doing exactly what we what he wanted governors to do. Hes an example of good management. And then he sort of left that News Conference and you know, for the next couple of months things have just gotten worse and worse and worse. You know, so its hard to see e question will be whether or not that has political ramifications and whether that has an impact not just on desantis but also on trump. Robert and eamon, also going to be a question of whether is ron desantis in florida, the governor there, or governor murphy in new jersey, whether they can get congress to give them the direct aid they need, whats your latest reporting on the stimulus negotiations in washington . What should those governors and Many Americans expect, if anything . Well, look, it seems clear that washington is prepared to rush out some more stimulus to the states. Up to weve got nancy pelosi talking about 2 trillion, 1 trillion in aid to the states because all of this is going to be superexpensive. Youre talking about these new guidelines for the schools that they have to have social distancing. They have to have cleaning. They have to have disinfectant and have plastic barriers. Somebody has to pay for all of that. And the problem is that were sort of in a vicious cycle economically which is that as the states have closed down, the economies have shut down. Theyve stopped producing revenue for the state governments in the form of taxes. The state governments need those taxes in order to pay for all the enhancements to open up the schools. And you cant if you nt open up the schools you dont have an economy. And you dont generate taxes. So the problem is the states might not have the money they need to reopen the schools and reopen their economies. Thats where the federal government can help. Unlike the states can simply borrow all that money and do it on deficit spending. A lot of deficit hawks in washington are very quiet these days. Because theres a lot of borrowing going on here in d. C. , bob. Robert paula, you are one of the reporters who talks to dr. Fauci. You have a reporting relationship. You have depth on this beat on the health care beat. Hes not doing much tv. Is the white hoe holding him back . And is he are there tensions there inside the west wing with someone who hasnt even briefed the president since june according to his interview with the Financial Times . There is tension. And there has been tension because dr. Fauci is one of the few officials whos willing to come out and publicly contradict the president. And that has happened throughout this pandemic response. And there were concerns about whether the president who cant technically directly fire him from the federal government, would potentially push him off the task force or diminish his role. And that is what were seeing right now. In fact, he has noted you dont see him that much on tv and we knew earlier this week there was a press briefing at the department of education with the task force. And he was instructed not to go to the department of education. But to come here to the white house. And he told me he was sitting in the situation room or about to sit in the situation room because thats where he was told to go. To sort of join remotely. And thats significant because that made it impossible for him to be there to answer questions from reporters at that briefing. Erked only join the he could only join the meeting. There was another Task Force Meeting here at the white house. Im told he did participate in that. But it does appear that there is an effort to diminish his role. And i asked the white house earlier this week if they were retaliating against him or contradicting for contradicting the president they said no. They said he had been on tv about six times in as many weeks. Now, that does not appear to be be a very common occurrence. It does appear that his role has been diminished. At the same time hes contradicting the president. Robert i know if youre watching this live, theres a lot of breaking news. And i want to turn to it. Because as a reporter, theres Nothing Better than breaking news. And tonight, we have some to share. President trump just a few minutes ago as we went to air here on pbs, commuted the sentence for roger stone, his longtime confidante and political advisor and ive covered him for a decade. Thats according to the New York Times and the Washington Post. And a statement just out from the white house. We wanted to make sure that was all nailed down before we shared it with you. Mr. Stone was convicted of lying to congress and witness tampering amid a federal probe into russian interference in the 2016 election. He was scheduled to report to prison next week to serve his sentence of more than three years. Yamiche, why tonight and what are the political implications . The question of the political implications is i think one that were not going to know for a long time. The president has been able to do things that are legally controversial and still not pay a bigrice in terms of his base not supporting him. But right now is really the question that a lot of people are thinking about. And its because he didnt want roger stone, at least according to the statement out by the White House Press secretary, he didntant roger sto to serve any jail time and saying over and over again all week th he thinks roger stone was treated unfairly and a victim of a witch hunt and this was really about getting back at him. He also talked about the fact today on the white house lawn, President Trump, that is, he talked about the fact that he feels like roger stone was being penalized while other people who were dubious like he said, ce President Joe Biden and even president barack obama and f. B. I. Director james comey that they are more guilty of things, of perceived wrongs than roger stone. Of course, there is no evidence that any of those men broke the law in any way. There is evidence that roger stone broke the law. But what the president is doing here is really underlining the fact that hes willing to use his president ial powers to help his friends, to help people who are close to him. In this case roger stone is someone who is very close to the president. Hes someone who has all sorts of lessons for the president that you see and enacted and played out every day from the president including the fact that all press, whether its bad or good is still good press because it keeps your your name up there and people talking about you. So i think this is a really i think an interesting commutation on the president s part but not surprising because the president had been hinting at this all week. Robert eamon, i know you were checking in with your sources and breaking news. Are you detecting any divide insidehe west wing about this decision by the President Trump during the middle of election season . Campaign season . Not yet. The news is just has just been out a couple of minutes and im struggling to get my arms around this one. Right . I dont think weve ever seen a president use the pardon power so directly to benefit a political ally of himself and remember what roger stone was doing in his lying to congress and obstruction of justice that he was set to be sent to prison for was protecting roger stone but also protecting the president. So theres an enormous percentage of the American Public thats going to look at this and say this is political payback for a guy taking the bullet here to protect a president of the united states. Whats interesting is this president is doing it before the election. Weve seen pardons in the past that have seemed sleazy to a lot of people in the country. The bill clinton pardon of mark rich comes to mind. That was done after the election just hours before the president was set to leave office. And he wouldnt pay any political price for it. This president is doing it in a hot political summer ahead of a narrow reelection fight. And we have no way of gaming out at this point just how thats going to play. As yamiche said, the president has done a lot of things over the years that his base has forgiven or tolerated or embraced even. Well see whether this one uses them to swallow hard or whether this is just another example of President Trump being able to do things that order politicians could not get away with. Robert cleve, youre down there in florida and you covered the Biden Campaign for the post. What does this mean for the Biden Campaign . Do they change and pivot a little bit to run against the president as someone who pardons too much . They gave a he gave a big speech this week on his economic plan. Trying to counter the president s populist economic pitch. Bring it back to the democrats. Does this, roger stone decision, change their calculus based on your conversations in recent days when the possibility was hovering out there . Sure. I think theyre probably asking the same question that youre asking what to do. And how does that change . One of the things that biden has been doing over the last couple of days, what with the mccormick plan is pivoting from not just talking ill or speaking ill of trump. Hes been really doing that for more than a year. Part of it is him saying america, heres what i want to do. Heres what i want to bring to the table. And, you know, obviously they felt a strong need to do that at this moment before whatever convention, as coronavirus is heating up, its we wonder if there is going to be a switch. If there is going to be a pivot. Biden did put out a statement earlier today talng about coronavirus. But also, you know, the venezuelan president as trump prepared to come to florida. But one of the biggest questions theyre going to face is do you stay the course . Do you put biden out there and explain who he is . Or do you just attack, attack, attack trump . Robert paul, i wanted to give you time to send some text messages. Jump in here. Absolutely. One of the most significant things here to me is two days ago. The attorney general william barr one of his most loyal advisors said that he believed roger stones sentence was fair. And i asked the president s chief of staff, mark meadows, is it appropriate for the president to grant clemency to his longtime friend when even his own loyal attorney general says the sentence was fair . Now, meadows defended the president noting that his clemency power is absolute. That is effectively true. But again, it will be interesting to see if there are any political consequences to this decision. Because once again, it draws attention to how many of the president s Close Associates have either been convicted or pleaded guilty during his time in office. Robert yamiche, thats such an interesting point from paula. Because this book, by mary trump, the president s niece, has been a big story this week about the president s psyche and my own reporting on mr. Stone and President Trump over the years. They were very close politically for decades. He is someone who has been at the president s side through ups and downs. And thathere probably wasnt so much of a political calculation here but this was a personal decision for President Trump. To protect a friend. To help a friend perhaps. Its you can see it in two ways. They obviously have a personal relationship. President trump has known roger stone for years and years and years. But theres also a political calculation there. As eamon noted, theres this idea that roger stone might be seen as taking a bullet for the president. So that the president is also benefiting from this this commutation of roger stones sentence. So in some ways people could see it as the president making sure that roger stone continues to be loyal to him. But i think there is of course the personal aspect of this. The president has talked about the fact friends with roger ste and feels like roger stone was not treated fairly and targeted because of his relationship with the president. So there could be both of those things going on. But i think the real question here is what is joe biden going to do . That was a smart question for you to ask. And i think were going to have to sit and wait and see if joe biden latches on to this or if he continues to talk about the thing that most americans are thinking about in their everyday lives and the coronavirus and it is the ability of the country to get past this virus and the handling that President Trump has done thus far and in the months to come. Robert so cleve, this is a campaign shaping up to be about power. Its also shaping up to be a campaign on race and culture. The president began the week with his tweets onubba wallace defending the use of the confederate flag. Youve been to the villages in florida. Where that racist chant was uttered that President Trump tweeted and then deleted. How is race and culture playing on the ground in florida . Sure. One of the things that i saw at the villagesas not necessarily peoplehanging. But theres an intensification, right . I talked with the leader of the Democratic Club at the syringes and one of the things villages and one of the things she said she doesnt believe anybody on either side was swayed. The republicans are not swayed by what the democrats said but people feel a need to speak their mind and do whatever they can. I talked to a guy who is spending his retirement in a golf cart at the villages with antitrump signs up. You know, all day. Every day. Because now he feels this just strong need to try to persuade someone, anyone. And yes, that means that hes gotten into a few verbal and occasional physical fights. But at the same time, this is how he sort of fills that need within himself. And i think thats one of the things that were seeing at the villages. Which is supposed to be this sort of sleepy retirement village, right . But instead youre seeing people getting into really heated arguments and exchanges. Sometimes with racist overtones. Just about this election. Robert yamiche, any thoughts on that . I think its someone as someone who is a native of florida im very familiar with the villages. My last reporting trip down to the villages and down to florida, i was talking to a group of Senior Citizens who are Trump Supporters and they were talking about the fact that really they liked his economy and they liked that what he was doing with all the different policies that he was pafinge. But then when we started talking about immigration, those people are probably diseased and dont need to be here. And by the way, puerto rico, probably shouldnt be atate. And what you saw there was really a veiled part of racism. The idea that these can be friendly people. And that we were having a pretty friendly conversation. But they felt the need to say that they thought immigrants and hispanic people were somehow a detriment to this country. And we can have political differences but if youre targeting one group of people and saying those people are bad, that is completely racism. And i think the president cant help himself in some ways. He continues to dig in on culture wars and continues to dig in on the racial divisions in this country. America had racial problems long before President Trump came along. But now that hes here, hes not shying away from the fact that he thinks running and using racist terms and racist language and sending racist tweets he thinks that helps him politically well have to see in november if thats the case. Robert eamon, what aboutn the economy . The big biden speech. Does the white house see mr. Biden cutting into their territory . Yeah. Well, you saw the president suggesting that biden had plagiarized from him. And look, if you look at this from the biden camps perspective, you know, the president s poll numbers really did not move for the first three years of his presidency. He had rock solid bas support all through all of the scandal and impeachment of the president. A lot of russia talk and investigation. Where the president s numbers started to move were on the coronavirus and economic wipeout that we saw earlier this year. And now you see biden ahead of the president in a lot of polling and including in our snshes polling in battle cnbc polling in battleground states. The Biden Campaign will take notice of that and stick with messaging arnd the virus and economy and those things that matter to americans. Their health and their economic wellbeing and leave the scandal stuff aside. You can kind of hit it on e cable talk shows from time to time. But the meat and potatoes of the Biden Campaign is likely i think still to be about the virus and the economy and what it means for the average American Voter whos out there trying to figure out how to live their lives. This isnt a national convulsion over the past couple of months like weve never seen before in american history. And its difficult to say how its going to play out. Buthe consequences of it are going to be extreme and long lasting. And people are concerned about that. And i think thats what this election is going to be all about front and center is the economy and peoples health. Robert and the courts. The president has been lashing out about the Supreme Courts decision to allow cyrus advance in manhattan vance in manhattan to use the president s tax returns and survey them on the investigation. Whats latest on that front inside the whiteouse . This was clearly a statement on the limits of president ial power. You saw the president lashing out saying this was unfair. In speaking to his attorneys they say a mormeasured approach. And they think that in the short term, they can win. And that they can play this out until past t election. They tell me that they are going to continue to litigate some of these issues. The Supreme Court left the door open for them to do that. And they will continue to do this. Through the election. And thats significant because even though theyre unlikely to prevail, since most of their arguments failed at the Supreme Court, if they do eventually have to pass off these documents, to the grand jury in new york, it will likely happen after the election and when feelers go to a grand jury, they only become public if someone is charged and theres a trial and documents are presented as evidence in a trial. So the president is extremely upset. His lawyers, theyll take it. Robert thank you ve much to our group tonight. Thats all the time we have. What a big week in washington coming to a close. Roger stone, the only thing i was waiting for tonight is a Supreme Court vacancy. What more could we have on a friday night for all of you Washington Week viewers and friends out there . Anyway, yamiche, paula reid, cleve r. Wootson and eamon javers, thank you very much. And thank you all for joining us. We will keep taking you as close to the news as we can. And join us online for more talk on the conversation about the latest decisions with cnns joan biskupic. You can find that on our website or on our social media. But for now, im robert costa. Good night from washington. [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. Org] announcer Corporate Funding for Washington Week is provided by when the world gets complicated, a lot goes through your mind. With fidelity wealth management, a dedicated advisor can tailor advice and recommendations to your life. Thats fidelity wealth management. Announcer additional funding is provided by the estate of arnold adams and koo and Patricia Yuen through the yuen foundation. Committed to bridging cultural differences in our communities. The corporation for public broadcasting and by contributions to your pbs station from viewers like you. Thank you. 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