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The man behind the art of the deal says not to expect one in atlanta. In atlanta. So the everexpanding and extraordinary logistical and political challenges ahead for trump and his 2024 rivals. Ill be talking to republican president ial candidate will hurd next. Also this hour, the Monumental Task ahead in hawaii, now the site of the deadliest wildfire in modern u. S. History. The death toll likely to climb as crews search the ruins with the gruesome task of identifying the remains of the missing. Stories of heartbreak and anger as locals face questions about what they say was a lack of warning by the authorities. Where were you guys . Where were you guys to try to get us out, evacuate us . Were mad. Were mad. We didnt just lose our homes. We lost our town. What the rescue and Recovery Mission looks like coming up. But we begin in Fulton County, georgia, where a jury can vote on a possible fourth criminal indictment in the next 48 hours. The New York Times calls this case an upclose portrait of American Democracy tested to its limits. If it happens, it would be trumps second indictment this month tied to election interference. The first youll remember in d. C. Overnight, just days after judge Tanya Chutkan warned trumps lawyers, and im quoting her here, the more a party makes inflammatory statements about this case, the greater the urgency will be that we proceed to trial quickly. Trump responded, blatantly defiant, reposting to his account attacks that include her photo and calling her, quote, racist, very biased and unfair and the investigation a waste of time. Today trump is turning his attacks directly toward Fulton County d. A. Fani willis trying to sow doubt in both her integrity and the investigation which he continues once again to call a witch hunt. I want to bring in nbcs Vaughn Hillyard closely following the Trump Campaign. Former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst paul butler is with us as well. Vaughn, multiple people subpoenaed by the d. A. Have been spotted inside the courthouse today. What have you seen today . Reporter importantly we know the grand jury here is convened and its heard from multiple witnesses. This is part of District Attorney fani willis Closing Presentation to the grand jury before ultimately asking them to approve the charges that she will intend to seek, most likely tomorrow. We know tomorrow the grand jury is planning to convene again because former Lieutenant Governor geoff duncan said he will go and testify before that grand jury tomorrow. We know here over the next 48 hours fani willis could very well present to the grand jury her final presentation and seek an indictment of donald trump in his up to more than a dozen allies of his related to the efforts to overturn the 2020 election here in georgia. We know there are multiple lines of inquiry from Rudy Giulianis presentation to a Senate Subcommittee here in Georgia In November of 2020, to Donald Trumps Phone Call Pressuring Secretary Of State raffensperger to find more votes, to efforts to put together the fake electors scheme, to also the alleged tampering of Voter Machines in coffee county, georgia. There is much that could amount to even potentially racketeering charges. We know that grand jury is still meeting as we speak right now, chris. Paul, we know the parameters of the case. Its what happened between November 2020 and january 2021 to try to overturn Election Results in georgia. Whats the case Fani Willis Needs to and presumably is presenting to the grand jury right now . Chris, d. A. Willis could follow the special counsels lead and go simple, for example, by just charging donald trump with election interference. But nobody expects that based on what this Georgia Grand Jury has been doing. I think d. A. Willis is likely to throw the book at trump and a bunch of his alleged coconspirators with a Big Racketeering indictment. These are huge, complicated cases. But if you ask criminal lawyers which d. A. S know how to bring these cases, the first name would be fani willis and Fulton County. Shes brought racketeering charges against school teachers, against hiphop artists, and now donald trump and his coconspirators are very likely to catch their first racketeering case. The other argument, obviously, paul, is that this isnt any other defendant, right . This is the former president of the United States who is a frontrunner for his partys nomination. So let me ask you about this decision to make it so broad. I think there were, what, 18 people around who got letters saying they may be a target of that investigation, very different from what we saw with the Special Prosecutor who decided to keep his case just to trump. What do you make of this decision if it is what we think its going to be, which is that this wont just be donald trump if it happens . Right. Chris, i expect at some Point Jack Smith will charge other coconspirators with donald trump with regard to federal crimes related to january 6th. Jack smith went simple and short because he wants his case tried first with this big complicated Georgia State racketeering charge. Of the four cases where trump is facing criminal prosecution, this is almost certainly likely to go last. I doubt if Fani Willis Minds that, because a lot of the evidence in her case will, of course, be heard in the federal trial. She would president mind hearing how a jury responds to that evidence. Bottom line, are georgia law allows anybody who participated in a criminal conspiracy be held accountable to all the crimes that went down. If they committed one down as part of a scheme, theyre held accountable for all of the other crimes as well. That would include donald trump. Nbcs Blayne Alexander is also outside the Fulton County courthouse. What are we hearing from the witnesses, if anything at all . Reporter were hearing a couple of things. We know the former State Lawmakers came into the building. They confirmed they testified. We spoke to a reporter from our affiliate, saying they were attentive, paying attention, doing their duties, very complimentary of them. Nguyen put out a statement and said in part, today i reaffirm my allegiance to our state and country, no individual is above the law, and saying she will take part in whatever is necessary to uphold democracy. Whats interesting about all of this, chris, we know that nguyen also testified before the special grand jury last year. Remember, this is a grand jury that was convened to investigate. They dont have indictment powers, but they were convened at the d. A. s request to investigate to where we are right now. Really what were seeing right now from the d. A. Is this greatest moment, witting down all those many 75 witnesses and bringing those who presumably believe will provide the most support for her case as she presents it to the grand jury and seeks indictments. Vaughn, you have his comments against judge chutkan just days after his lawyers promised trump would take her admonition seriously, consistent with practice we can say for sure, vaughn, but not, it would seem, recognizing that this time could be very different. Reporter right, donald trump seems to have every intention of fighting this. I asked him explicitly at the Iowa State Fair, upon his departure from iowa on saturday, whether theres any chance he would take a plea deal. Take a listen. I dont do plea deals. We did nothing wrong. We dont take plea deals. Its a wise guy question. We dont take plea deals because i did nothing wrong. Its called election interference. Reporter for facts sake, donald trump has accepted a plea deal in the past. It was in the Trump University case in 2016 in which he settled the suit for 25 million. Hes wrong on that front. He has shown a willingness to settle in the past. When it comes to the criminal cases in front of him, hes been quite openly defying not only judge chutkans requests they should take exceeding precautions about their public statements so as not to interfere with the judicial system and the process. Also just this morning, directly on his social media account, donald trump directly telling Lieutenant Governor geoff duncan that he shouldnt quote, that he shouldnt testify. For donald trump there is a potential georgia statute, criminal code, that makes it illegal to influence a witness. Donald trump quite defiantly here, as he has shown in these weeks as related to his other indictments continues in georgia to show a willingness to go directly up individuals who have testified against him as well as those overseeing these cases. Paul, would it surprise you if judge chutkan decided to call a hearing as a result of what hes been posting . It would surprise me if she did it based on these comments. Last week she warned trump against intimidating witnesses and leaking evidence, but she also told him not to make inflammatory comments. She said specifically she wanted to protect the integrity of the proceeding. Chris, its so predictable that trump is going to violate. So judge chutkan will have to decide whether this counts. I expect shell be more focused on threats and witness intimidation and improper disclosure of evidence than she will on trumps comments about her Sentencing Practices in other cases. But to be sure, this is donald trump you used just the right word, chris testing. Hes testing boundaries. Like when a toddler is told he has to stay in his room, the toddler pokes his head out the door or takes a couple steps outside to see what he can get away with. Judge chutkans order came down on friday. Trump is doing this kind of testing sunday, monday. At some point the judge is going to answer him, but its going to be at a time that she chooses, not donald trump. Vaughn hillyard, thank you. Paul butler will be back with us a little later this hour. Still to come, growing anger in hawaii. Residents there now asking where were the warnings. The Ha Why Helicopter Touring Company Getting supplies to areas that need it most. G suppl areas that need it most. Not flossing well . Then add the whoa of listerine to your routine. New science shows listerine is 5x more effective than floss at reducing plaque above the gumline. For a cleaner, healthier mouth. Ahhhhh. Listerine. Feel the whoa my Mental Health was much better, but i struggled with uncontrollable movements called td, tardive dyskinesia. Td can be caused by some Mental Health meds. And its unlikely to improve without treatment. I felt like my movements were in the spotlight. 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New photos and videos affirming what weve been seeing for days now, apocalyptic landscapes, Cars Incinerated by the blaze, homes burned to the ground, just their mailboxes or an occasional fireplace remaining. Authorities say theyve only completed 3 of the search. That painstakingly slow search for survivors is fueling more anger and frustration, people left with critical questions unanswered. Did their family, friends and homes survive . Theyre not moving fast enough. Its been too long. Its been six days. Where were you guys . Where were you to try to get us out, evacuate us . Were mad. Were mad. We didnt just lose our home, we lost our town. I know they i ear busy and they have things to do. Somebody has to come talk to us. I lost everything and i cant even get back home to help my family out. Theyre blocking the road. They havent passed out one simple water bottle. Nothing. Theyre sitting there not letting our families starve. Dana griffin is in maui for us. What more are you hearing from people today . Reporter it is 7 00 a. M. Monday morning here in hawaii. Were hearing from people who, like you just played those sound bites, theyre very frustrated on so many fronts, about the sirens not going off, the tsunami sirens usually help warm people to go inland. Now the question is, if the sirens have gone off, would it help save people or put them in more danger . The roads are only open to those who can prove they live in lahaina. We have family and friends desperate to get there. They want to search for people or try to find maybe a loved ones car to try to see for themselves whether that person is still there or not. Youve got a lot of humanitarian aid going on. That is the bright side in this story. This community has pulled together. We saw another truck load of donations dropped off. The pastor here tells me they have 30 to 40 people inside. A lot of people are being put in temporary hotels. Theyll be there for about 30 days. The big concern is what happens after those 30 days, where are they going to go . This church says, if they have to, theyll open up again to make sure people have somewhere to stay. Over the weekend, i spoke with two women that were really frustrated about the conditions in lahaina and beyond because they felt like a lot of the resources being brought to these shelters should be taken there. Listen to what they told me. Do not go to lahaina thinking that youre going to get fed when you realize there are no resources, no stores for you. Everything is empty. Theres nothing out there. You know what . Just fair warning. Fair warning. A lot of people are angry. A lot of bad things is happening. People are going into survival mode. Reporter going into survival mode. I can report that at least one Grocery Store has opened it will be open for 24 hours. The state is offering free shuttles for residents in lahaina and beyond to come to central maui to try to get whatever necessities they can. Two gas stations have opened up there. Hopefully that will help people who maybe are trapped to get out and come down and check in with Family Members. Again, hundreds are still missing. This is going to be a very slow process, to try to identify all these bodies. So many Family Members are being asked to give their dna to try to identify some of those victims. Chris. Brutal. Nbcs dana griffin, thank you. I know youll keep us updated. I want to turn to the president of Blue Hawaiian helicopters, quinton koch. Hes using his Helicopter Tour Company to help with Relief Efforts on the island. Thank you so much nor being with us. What is it like where you are right now . What are you and your team seeing . Its been a devastating week seeing all the travesty and all the impact. In hawaii, were all related, all connected. Everybody knows everybody. Seeing the outcry, anger, its definitely been frustrating. But theres also signs of hope. Where you see our pilots, normally Tourism Pilots becoming heroes and stepping up and providing that food to lahaina, water supplies, its amazing to see how the community has been pulling together to make a difference wherever we can. Give us a sense of what your choppers and pilots have been doing, which i know has included Keeping Firefighters supplied. What are you seeing as the most urgent need and how are you able to help . Theres an airport on the west side of maui, the closest airport. Normally two small regional flights a day. Now weve been using it as the hell port and bringing our helicopters over to get supplies in as quickly as possible. The road has been closed. The only way to get there is by helicopter. The great things about a helicopter, you can land on the golf course or the airport. Were giving supplies where we can. The firefighters early on, hey, were hungry. We brought them pizza. The next day we bought them chicken. Pepsi stepped up and donated water and other supplies. We had one firefighter ask for a box of cigarettes and we were able to bring it over. I wonder if people who know what the beauty is of your island from the air because you do it every day in your jobs. Can you even describe what its like to see it now . Its tough. Weve been doing Everything Possible to avoid the active area out of respect for the families. There are flights for fema searching the area. Other than that, its tough. Were trying to stay away, allowing the workers to do what they need to do to make sure theyre able to provide support. Theyre on standby ready to go, moving people in and out of the area as needed. Quintin, how are you doing . How is your family, your friends . Are they safe . What about your employees . Im doing great. All of us that flew were accounted for. It took about 4 hours before we were able to find every single employee, but its tough. Many of them have lost their homes. Many have lost their parents. Every day is a tearjerking you know, pull it together. Were offering support and trying to be with each and every single employee. Again, the great thing is seeing people come together, buying people clothes, buying people new shoes, buying dog food. Weve been doing everything we can to make sure our employees have everything that lost everything that are able to get the basic necessities as quickly as possible. The governor, as im sure you know, say the fires are likely to be the largest Natural Disaster in the states history. The damage so far is estimated at around 6 billion but probably and unfortunately, like the number of fatalities, that number will climb. How optimistic are you as you talk about how the island is coming together how optimistic are you that maui can rebuild and what will it take . Island people are the strongest people in the world. Theyre used to storms, theyre used to devastation. I know this community will come together and have brighter days ahead. Its going to take time with any disaster of this magnitude and also our remoteness. It adds a little bit of complexity. I know there will be brighter days ahead. Even now its getting a little better each and every single day. So much more work ahead. I now maui is stron. Quintin koch, thank you for not just coming on the program, but for what you and all the folks you work with are doing to try to ease what is obviously a horrific situation. Its good to talk to you. Thanks so much. Thank you. Coming, the indictment effect. How former President Trump has turned his criminal charges into Campaign Gold and what it says about the current condition of the Republican Party. Up next, ill talk with one person who has been taking on the former president , republican candidate will hurd. Youre watching Chris Jansing reports only on msnbc. Have fun, sis cant stop adding stuff to your cart . 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Ali vitali has been in des moines since last week. Shes with me now along with ohios former republican governor john kasich, an msnbc political analyst. Great to have both of you. Did you see or hear anything to indicate drums dominance over the field is being negatively affected by a potential fourth indictment . Reporter no. While we did meet voters, chris, concerned about the role the indictments will play, its not that this looming fourth indictment is out there. Its that republicans who want to vote by the former president , they werent impacted by indictments one, two or three. They probably wont be influenced by the fourth. The same goes on the other side of this equation. One woman i spoke to who is a republican who says she wishes her party would turn the page and that many in the republican field would stand up to trump. Listen to part of our conversation. I wish that they would all just kind of step up. I think Chris Christie is probably one of the only ones stepping up. I think theres such a backlash from that party. I think republicans, we need to come up with new standards. We really need to kind of say, hey, we have a new Republican Party that is not part of that trump thing, this is what we stand for and what we need to go forward with. Reporter for someone like governor kasich who watched in realtime as he was part of the 2016 field that really watched the Republican Party shift around him, this voter is right, that there is attacks on anyone who goes directly at the former president. Its why Chris Christie is one of the lone voices along with former arkansas governor asa hutchinson, and making this a referendum on his leadership, the way he dealt with attempting to overturn the election after he lost it and, of course, january 6th. Were watching other candidates in this field be afraid of almost running afoul of the maga voters that propelled trump to the top of the party, allowing him to remain so dominant in the polls. For voters, its the same story weve heard time and again, and its why we saw trump come to the fairgrounds and be so defiant. I will say there was another 2016 harkening back, if you will, if you look at the plane flying overhead, not only did it troll ron desantis by saying be likable, ron, it did in jeb bushs campaign, i know we probably caught that given we spend so much time about these logos. I think that was part of the troll there. The only bush logo just said jeb exclamation point. Ali vitali, thank you. A little walk there, governor. The New York Times calls the indictment effect, the way the former president has basically taken criminal charges and turned them into political assets, not only to fundraising and support from conservative media, but a boost from the Party Apparatus itself. Im quoting, it wasnt just mr. Trumps rivals and Acolytes On Capitol Hill who snapped to attention after his criminal charges, it was the entire official structure of the Republican Party. I know weve talked about this before, but as the indictments start to pile up and everyone elses numbers stay almost in single digits, what do they think they have to lose . First of all, i love ali vitalis report. I think shes just terrific out there in the field. Agreed. Chris, remember ive been talking about this guy who told me hes not going to change his mind because he doesnt believe the elites. I had a chance to talk to him over the weekend. I said, so, were going to have another indictment. What do you think . Does this mean youre going to change your mind . He said, are you kidding me . Think about the fbi, the justice department, hunter biden, hillary clinton, its just such a mess. No, im not changing my mind. Thats the mindset right now. For those who are running, what theyve got to do, if they go along with trump, at some point the campaign is going to end, theyll have to look in the mirror and say what do i do . With those who criticize trump, thats fine. Id also like to know what your vision is. Its not enough to tap the other guy. What is your vision . How are you going to catch fire . How are people going to look at you and say you can make a better america . Its a tough climb right now. 70 of republicans, i was told this morning, 70 of republicans think these charges are not serious. So youre really fighting an uphill battle. Republicans at this point may have to lose, and hopefully theyll learn. But if they dont learn, theyre going to continue to lose. Chris, its been going on and on. Its kind of hard to believe, isnt it . Youve got b. T. Barnham descending on the iowa fair, stealing all the oxygen. Its just remarkable. A lot of the other campaigns keep moving the hope bar. First they said, well, if there is an indictment, that might provide an indictment. Then if theres a second indictment, a third indictment and now a fourth indictment. Conventional wisdom suggests if trump wins iowa, right now a doubledigit lead, at least in the last poll i saw. He didnt win in 2016. If he does this time, is the race over . If he doesnt, is there an opening . Look, hes pretty dominant right now. Again, we have to see what happens. We have a debate coming. Were going to have to see does anybody sort of jump out of that debate . I dont think trump will go to that debate even though he wasnt supposed to go to the fair and he showed up. Hes probably likely to go to the second debate. Weve got still, chris, ill keep telling you, we have a long way to go. Right now with 70 of republicans thinking theyre not just after trump, but theyre going to be after me, hes standing up for me. If hes not, once theyre done with him, theyre going to come after me. Its Pretty Amazing the loss of confidence in all these institutions, its troubling for our country, not only in the short run but the longer run. 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That includes former texas congressman will hurd whose participation may likely have already been doomed because he refused to sign the partys loyalty pledge, primarily over concerns about former President Trump who he believes is running simply to stay out of jail. Will hurd is joining me now. Eight candidates have met the criteria to participate in the first debate, that is if they all decide to show up. As i said, you and four others have not. What are the chances youre on that stage, do you think, and how . I feel pretty good. We only have one more polling kri tear yeah to hit, and were very close to hitting the 40,000 mark for the donor threshold. I feel good well hit those before the deadline. When it comes to the pledge, donald trump has president even agreed to sign the pledge. We want to make sure we hit those requirements and force this conversation with the rnc. If your viewers want to make sure that conversation is had go to hurdforamerica. Com, donate at least 1. 00 to help me make the debate stage. Lets say you do make the debate stage. Obviously a very different dynamic if donald trump is there or not, a very different dynamic if he decides to counterprogram. Lets take your strategy because your strategy has been to say why donald trump would not be a good candidate. Its a similar strategy we have seen from a couple of other people, Chris Christie and asa hutchinson. It has president had a real impact in the polls. Do you believe the debate stage is a place where someone could, for lack of a better phrase, break out and maybe really challenge donald trump . The debate stage is one step. Its one saying in this process, does anybody remember how many debates there were in 2016 . Yes, somebody can break out. Ultimately what this election is about, and we have 26 weeks before voting starts. You have to have a candidate not afraid of donald trump, not willing to kiss his butt or look his boots, but someone articulating a vision for the future. Yes, im not going to question that donald trump is the presumptive leader right now. A lot can happen in the next 26 weeks. I also will say, we should have learned in 2016 about polling. Polling is a snapshot in time. Running for president is not one election. Its actually 57. Things change and tighten the closer you get to the election. Here is what ive learned. When ive been crisscrossing the country in places like new hampshire, people want to make sure they have food on the table and making sure people are happy, healthy and safe. Not everybody is scrolling on social media, not everybody is consuming cable news. Those that are able to make that connection with those voters who are sick and tired of both donald trump and joe biden is going to see success in january. The New York Times reports that the Trump Campaign believes and weve certainly seen this with our reporting, that the indictments are good. Mr. Trump and his team have deliberately sought to maximize live News Coverage of his criminal arraignments. They treat Court Appearances exactly Like Campaign events, choreographing and working with the networks including those mr. Trump has referred to as fake news such as cnn. Is there any indication, congressman, that team trump is wrong in their belief, that his legal struggles Against All Odds are a positive rather than a negative . How do you fight that then . When it comes to his core support, theyre going to support him no matter what. I appreciate folks like you giving a dark horse candidate like me an opportunity to articulate a vision. Here is why the case in georgia i think is even more damning. Weve all heard the phone call about him trying to get a State Official to do something that he knew and that the Secretary Of State knew was illegal. This is something that, even if donald trump somehow wins the gop nomination and wins in november, which i think has absolutely no chance of him winning in november, then he cant pardon himself. This is probably the most dangerous case for him. I would also want people you just had john kasich on. You had the vote in ohio last week. Before that vote everybody thought that piece of legislation that was a proxy for abortion and the life issue was narrowly going to pass, and it got beat by almost 18 points. So the disconnect between those that actually care about these issues versus those that respond to polling, ive always got to remind folks about this. Yes, his supporters are going to support this. Who is that democrat or that independent that voted for joe biden in 2020 and then is going to vote for donald trump in 2024 based on all this baggage . Here is what we do know people that voted for donald trump twice are recognizing that these mounting court cases is baggage. The fact that three out of every four dollars that donald trump raises is going to his legal fees. The fact that Hard Working Americans are funding his legal fee. This is one of the reasons i keep saying that donald trump is running for president , not to make America Great again, but in order to stay out of prison. You mentioned an issue. Let me give you an opportunity to talk about an issue on everybodys mind today, and that is Climate Change. Were seeing whats happening in hawaii. Your friends, family, im sure have felt what has happened in your state, from texas to california to florida to the midwest, with the fires in canada changing air quality. Catastrophic extreme weather has been dominating the news throughout this summer. I know youve acknowledged the danger posed by Climate Change. What as president would you do about it . If people check your record, they will see you voted against any number of Climate Measures . First and foremost, to the folks that are living in maui right now and having to deal with this disaster, the fire department, our states also need to be helping in any way possible to help folks there. Unfortunately, chris, this is not going to be the last tragedy that we probably see for the rest of this summer or going into the fall. The rising temperatures of the seas and the dome of weather across many parts of our country, were going to see terrible events going forward. What can you can envision from a hurd administration when it comes to preventing Climate Change is making sure were focused on energy to make america the producers of clean energy and exporting that to many parts of the world. We can prevent Climate Change and improve our economy at the same time. Part of this is going to require our National Labs working on some of the technology in order to get co2 out of the air, making sure were doing Carbon Capture when it comes to existing ways of producing electricity. Also, weve got to figure out a way to integrate nuclear a little better in a Regulatory Regime thats providing the electricity needs we need here in the United States. We should be exporting clean energy and tools to do clean energy. Unfortunately, 90 of the solar panels and Wind Turbines that are used in those sources of Energy Production come from china, not from the u. S. Thats something that should change. Will hurd, thank you for coming on the program. Well look to see if you make the debate stage. Good luck to you, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Up next, six white exPolice Officers in mississippi pleading guilty to the racist assault of two black men during an illegal torturefueled raid. 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Some of these officers actually called themselves the goon squad because they were willing to use excessive force. Whats your reaction to what happened in court . You know, chris, one of the horrors of this case is how planned and practiced the abuse and the torture was. Its medieval torture, but the cops treated it almost like police work. They didnt want to get a search warrant, but they were worried about being spotted on the Home Security cameras so they planned a work around so they wouldnt be seen, and then they decided to beat up the guys, but not their faces because they didnt want the assault to be visible on the mug shots. And then these cops poured alcohol and Chocolate Syrup down the mens throats, but forced them to strip and take a shower to get rid of that evidence, and then they planned this cover up where they planted a gun and drugs that they tried to pin on the victims. So, chris, this is every black mans nightmare. The prosecutor is recommending sentences in the State Charges from five to 30 years. They also have been convicted on federal charges, which carry a lot more time, and the department of justice has opened a civil rights investigation of this Mississippi Police department that seemed long overdue. It does, indeed, paul butler, thank you. Coming up, a Central Kansas Police Department is facing heavy criticism for raiding a local newspaper over the weekend. Well, now the newspapers publisher says the raid contributed to the death of his elderly mother. What happened here . Weve got that next. Mother what happened here weve got that next. We need to scale with customer demand. 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The raid captured here on Surveillance Video obtained by nbc news has made headlines nationwide, stirring a debate over freedom of the press. This gestapo like tactics, this is what they do in the third world. Eric meyer, the papers coowner and publisher says his 98yearold mother joan, the papers other coowner, collapsed and died one day after the raid. She became so upset about this, that she wouldnt eat that day. She wouldnt sleep that night. Reporter at issue, myers says is a tip one of his reporters received about a local business owner, carrie newell, accused of driving without a license. They did not publish the story. After she threw meyer and a reporter out of a political event. This is an intimidation tactic. Reporter the Marion Police chief defending the raid, saying the judicial system that has been questioned will be vindicated, while myers defends his paper. When someone comes in your house and takes your computer and your mothers computer you begin thinking a little paranoia. Reporter Stephanie Gosk, nbc news. We have lot to cover in our second hour of Chris Jansing reports, lets get right to it. At this hour, the death toll in hawaii at 96, as rescue teams have barely begun. Only 3 of the search area has been covered, damaged now estimated at nearly 6 billion. A Terrifying House Explosion outside of pittsburgh. At least five people there are dead. Multiple homes destroyed. The cause, unclear at this hour. Plus, tragedy on board a migrant bus sent north by the governor of texas. How did a 3yearold child die on the journey to chicago. And clean up on the campaign trail, rfk junior announces his support for a federal abortion ban after three months, and suddenly takes it back. Our nbc News Reporters are following all of the latest developments. We begin with dana griffin on the ground in maui. Whats the latest on Recovery Efforts there. Reporter chris, right now, there is an effort to try to search the town of lahaina has been decimated by these fires to try to find these missing people. Weve heard from fema, they are asking people if