Want an opening act. Maybe Secretary Of StateAnthony Blinken can do it. The sphere and the sweet sounds of Secretary Blinken to take us off the air tonight. And on that pretty fantastic note, i wish you all a fantastic night. From all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late with me. Ill see you at the end of tomorrow. Tonight on all in like Flying Monkeys on a mission to the wicked witch of the west, trumps followers in the house, and now here is his message to the world. The maga House List Fox News and befuddle steve bannon. I dont know what was achieved over these last hours. Is this worse than trump on january six . No, thats maybe not a witness i would call initially to lay out the case. Tonight, congressman jamie raskin on what was really going on in that hearing room today. If the republicans had a smoking gun or even a dripping water pistol, they would be presenting it today, but they got nothing on joe biden. Congresswoman alexandra ocasiocortez on just catching republicans making things up. This is an embarrassment, an embarrassment to the time and people of this country. Then as the president calls out the trump threat to democracy there is something dangerous happening in america. There is an Extremist Movement that does not share the basic of democracy. Why the candidates trying to defeat trump are failing miserably. Second, prince, do your homework, tim did you see the back . When all in starts right now. Good evening from new york, i am chris hayes. The abject political, morrow, self bankruptcy of the Republican Party is on full display today live from the cameras on the capitol. We are now two days and about four hours from a Government Shutdown. You may have heard about this. If Congress Cannot Pass Legislation to fund the apportions of the United States before the start of the new fiscal year. A shutdown is bad. It would disrupt all sorts of Government Services and millions of federal employees, both a civilian and military, will not get paid. And everyone, basically unanimously understands that efficient than happens, which looks likely, it will be entirely the fault of House Republicans. You dont have to take my word for it. Listen to none other than Senate Republican leader Mitch Mcconnell who says that his house is doing their job. So the senate and the house are quite different, as you know. I think in the senate, we will continue to try to reach an agreement on a bipartisan basis and hopefully keep the government open. Even House Republicans themselves know who is to blame, speaker Kevin Mccarthy explained that there are members of his caucus we just want to burn the whole thing down. Look, i dont think anybody winds with the government shutting down. I dont understand the few people here about why do the border issues why do the coast guard have to not be paid . The somebody there, just to be clear, hes talking about his own House Republican members. Another asked republican, like waller of new york, was even more explicit, calling it a clown show. Its just not conservative republicans. This is stupidity. The idea that we will shut the government down when we dont control the senate, dont control the white house, these people cant define a win, they dont know how to take yes for an answer. Its a clown show. If you keep running lunatics, youll be in this position. I cringe a little bit when its not conservative republican, he says, its the p. Diddy. I know those are not a surly in the same, yet here we are, two days away from the aforementioned clown show, his words, of lunatics shutting down the government. At this point, its not clear what will happen. Generally, nobody knows. Kevin mccarthy and House Republicans could very easily in 20 minutes to try to work with democrats to pass a bill to keep the government open. That is what they are doing on the senate side. But if he did that, the hardline republican members of his caucus would likely try this take his speakership away. So faced with that choice, keep the government open or lose the speakership, it looks like we are careening towards a shutdown, and everyone agrees, surely the product of House Republicans total inability to govern, total lack of a Government Vision other than subservience to the man who actually runs the Republican Party. Of course, i am talking about donald trump who, ordered republicans to shut the government down, and the other thing that trump has brokered past republicans to do is impeach his political opponent president joe biden. So, that was the other order of business in the house today, as the Nation Koreans towards a Government Shutdown. Today, the Oversight Committee convened its first hearing in the biden impeachment. And i gotta say, somehow, it was even more of a disaster than i expected. Over the course of more than six hours, the republicans presented zero new information about any supposed misconduct by President Biden. Their own witness testified that they do not have enough evidence to support an impeachment. One congressman, Byron Donalds of florida, actually introduced fabricated evidence to the committee. We alexandra ocasiocortez called him out on the, and she will be joining us here shortly. Now, to be fair to oversight chairman james common and the rest of the House Republicans, they got to do this because their boss, donald trump, told him to. I think they also want to. They want to sully joe biden, ruin him politically, so that it can help donald trump get reelected. But the thing is that they dont have much to work with. They just flatly dont have the goods. They threw everything they could at their witnesses. What ended up happening is that estimate kratz made them look like fools. All right, so lets get it straight. We are 62 hours away from shutting down the government of the United States of america, and republicans are latching and impeachment drive based on a long debunked, discredited lie. What a day that we are having here, isnt it, right . Listen, as a former director of emergency management, i know a disaster when i see one. I want to say, thank you to mr. Donald trump for calling this hearing today. We see the long arm with a little hands of mr. Donald trump, whose fingerprints are all over this hearing and this sham impeachment. Donald trump impeachment, how many, we got to there. How many indictments, we got four. How many for biden, zero, zero. Donald trump is right. He is sick of winning. He is just winning and running away with it, thats why were here. They cant save donald trump. They cant take away the two impeachments and the four indictments, but they could try to put some numbers on the board for joe biden. But the problem is, when you sling mud, youve got to have mud. And they dont have anything, mister chairman. Honestly, if they will continue to say we if or hunter, and we were playing a tricky game, i would be drunk but. Now if it was a smoking gun or even a dripping water pistol, they would be presenting it today, but they got nothing on joe biden. Come on, if you all think that there is so much evidence, were here, call the vote on impeachment. Impeach him right now, i dare you. And in the end, todays hearing seems to have blown up and republican faces. House republican staffer told reporter stephen newcomb, quote, comer and staff botch this bet. How can you not be better prepared for this . Even their friends at fox news were unimpressed. I dont know what was achieved over these last six plus hours into, whether its move today, we just got a lot more smoke. When you begin to trump it what you have as the beginning of an explosive inquiry into the president of the United States to potentially remove him from office, you would think that you would bring your a game. Instead, it was democrats on the committee who brought their a game. Congressman jamie raskin is a democrat of maryland. He serves as the regular on the Oversight Committee, and he joins me now. Congressman raskin, first, your impressions of how things went today . It was a meltdown for the republicans, obviously. They advertise to the world that they literally have no facts and no evidence that would justify impeaching President Biden for, bribery or other high crime misdemeanors. And their own Expert Witnesses attested that fact, as well. I think that was the part that shocked them, that we were able to get their witnesses to say that there was not remotely significant evidence that would justify impeaching President Biden. In the meantime, we are careening towards a terrible Government Shutdown that will spread massive pain and hardship and excited throughout the entire country. One of the things you might notice if you are watching the hearing, chris, is that all of the democrats were there for the vast majority of the hearing, and the republicans began to decamp a very quickly, and it was empty on their side of the aisle for long periods, for big stretches of it. Let me ask you, wait, i want to stop you there. Why . Why did that happen . I think that they were embarrassed about what was going on. Their witness is a defected from their site and essentially were saying that there was not sufficient evidence for impeachment. The Impeachment Inquiry also was never voted on by the house of representatives, which is something that Kevin Mccarthy said he would do, and its also something that he demanded that democrats do, which we did do with the impeachment of donald trump, and they ended up getting an opinion from the office of Legal Counsel at the Department Of Justice saying that there needs to be a vote on the floor in order to keep the additional powers to a committee to engage in a peach meant. That delegation need to be done, but they did not do that here, why . Because they are at least 15 or 20 puts down on the republican side. There are people like ken buck, a Freedom Caucus member, on the judiciary committee, former chief of the Criminal Division of the u. S. Attorney office in colorado that just says, the whole thing makes no sense, they just dont have any evidence on donald trump. Kevin mccarthy, obviously, was trying to placate Marjorie Taylor greene and lauren boebert, matt gaetz and others doing Donald Trumps bidding, wanting to impeach biden. So, sure, go ahead and do it was never voted on by the house of representatives, which is something that Kevin Mccarthy said he would do, and its also something that he demanded that democrats do, which we did do with the impeachment of donald trump, and they ended up getting an opinion from the office of Legal Counsel at the Department Of Justice saying that there needs to be a vote on the floor in order to keep the additional powers to a committee to engage in a peach meant. That delegation need to be done, but they did not do that here, why . Because they are at least 15 or 20 puts down on the republican side. There are people like ken buck, a Freedom Caucus member, on the judiciary committee, former chief of the Criminal Division of the u. S. Attorney office in colorado that just says, the whole thing makes no sense, they just dont have any evidence on donald trump. Kevin mccarthy, obviously, was trying to placate Marjorie Taylor greene and lauren boebert, matt gaetz and others doing Donald Trumps bidding, wanting to impeach biden. So, sure, go ahead and do it, but he was very cavalier with the constitution of the United States. A boomerang and hit them in their face. You cant appease matt gaetz that last point you made, its been clear at a political level, in terms of internal caucus faction management, mccarthy as viewed these things as related, right . He needs votes to keep the government open. What i will give you a start and Impeachment Inquiry. Even as they announced that, though some people that he was trying to suck up two to win their votes on or like, no, not good enough. They didnt go out the door. But now the thing is that they got to do it because they announced it. Its so evident to me that this was they were Going Forward with it because they said they were. They had hoped that they would find some evidence or any evidence at all. They dont have it, but they had to do it anyway. You cant appease matt gaetz and Marjorie Taylor greene and ultimately, donald trump. That is a rule this faction that literally wants to control the entire function of the government of the United States in their own interests, and they are willing to throw Minority Rule and favor of the vast majority of the people. They are willing to take week funds away and take funds away from hunger people. Theyre willing to shut down the government of the United States simply because donald trump thinks that will shut down his criminal prosecutions, even though in the last republican shutdown, criminal cases went forward and the federal district, which is what i am trying to explain to them. But Donald Trumps camp insufficient on the government, he will be able to delay his cases and then maybe get to the election without having to face a jury of his peers. If he can just flip 7 Million People who voted for joe biden over to donald trump and get millions of young people who Hate Everything he stands for the vote for him, then hell be back in office and a grant himself all the insurrectionists a pardon. I Pay Attention to this and try to follow the bouncing ball here on what actually will go on with the shutdown, but i am really confused at this point. I had a threat and sort of lost it. What is going on . It seems like were at an impasse. He cant win the votes to pass it with republicans. That seems clear, and hes not going to get that. So then what . So, its utterly dysfunctional from within the Republican Caucus because he cant maintain the rampaging maga faction. There would be a simple solution, if he had simply encouraged to exercise the vast majority, not of democrats but republicans and put it on the floor. In other words, it would align most of the House Republicans with the Senate Republicans, the senate democrats, all of the House Democrats and the president of the United States, but he wont do it because they are threatening to, quote, vacate the chair, which means to topple Kevin Mccarthy. So it means more to him to stay into office then to keep the United States going. If i were Kevin Mccarthy, if he is watching msnbc right now, go ahead and do the right thing, put it on the floor, let us all vote on it, and if they tried to topple your speakership, see who they got against you. See who they put up against you. I dont think that matt gaetz could beat him, George Santos could not beat him, i dont know. All the bluff, right. Just to be clear, there is already a continuing resolution that keeps the government funding, has aid for ukraine and disaster relief, has bipartisan support of the senate, that language exists. Bring it over from one side of the capitol to the other, call a vote on it for florida, pass with 350 votes, probably, somewhere in the maybe even 400, and then you are done. And then if they come for you, they can come for you, but he does not want that. Look what they did in the rules committee this afternoon, while we were in the socalled Impeachment Hearing. They dismembered the legislation that came over from the senate, as i understand it. They removed the aid to the people of ukraine resisting putins filthy ambition and the kidnapping and rape of the Military Attack on the civilian infrastructure of ukraine, make that a separate bill, they tried to make it more palatable to the authoritarian, maga faction, so maybe they would vote for that part of the continuing resolution that does not include solidarity for the people of ukraine. Congressman jamie raskin, was a pleasure to have you, thank you very much, sir. Thank you. As it has been established multiple times, there was no definitive firsthand evidence presented at the Impeachment Hearing. No new facts were introduced into the record. That did not stop the direct tricks of the republicans. Did not stop members of the committee from pretending that they had evidence, most notably, florida congressman Byron Donaldson. Next slide please. For my colleagues on the other aisle, we will talk evidence. Now ladies and gentlemen, this is from 2018, about four months before joe biden launched his campaign for the president of the United States. December 2018, a text message between jim biden and hunter biden. Hunter biden was in a bad way, by the way. He was really strung out, lost a bunch of money, needed help. Jeff biden says, this can work, you need a safe harbor. I can work with their father alone. It will probably take several months. Everybody can read detects. Again, none of that is actual evidence of and Impeachable Offense by president joe biden, but the real issue of the presentation is that the congressman from florida apparently brought in fabricated, photoshopped slides of Text Messages as supposed evidence, whichlimited the actual contacts and was incredibly deceptive. And he was subsequently called out on it in the hearing by his colleague, new York Democratic congresswoman alexandra ocasiocortez. Earlier today, one of our colleagues, a gentleman from florida, percent it up on the screen something that looked, appeared to be a screenshot of a text message containing or insinuating an explosive allegation. That screenshot of what appeared to be a text message was a fabricated image. It was a fabricated image, i dont know where it came from. I dont know if it was the staff at the committee, but it was not the actual direct screenshot from that phone. In fact, i would like to submit to the committee the actual full context from the ziegler affidavit, number one, exhibit 402, of the full text of that exchange. Do i have permission from the chair . Importantly, what was brought out from that fabricated image excluded critical contacts that changed the underlying meaning and allegation that was presented up on that screen by this committee and by members of this committee. Congresswoman alexandra ocasiocortez estate number two democrat on the Oversight Committee, and she joins me now. Its good to have you there, congresswoman. This was a really striking moment. There was larger tax that altered what that conversation about getting a job was really about. How did you catch that . And what does it say that that is the evidence that they are using in this, their first Impeachment Inquiry . I think this speaks to the tremendous amount of teamwork that we have been able to accomplish on the house Oversight Committee. Its an honor to be the vice Ranking Member under congressman jamie raskin, who we just heard from. I think the leadership and collaboration that committee and also the dedication of work, people have been pouring over these documents. At least those documents that House Republicans are even divulging before and sharing with the public before the hearing. But i think immediately, when this screenshot was raised first, this is not something that had been seen before, but vaguely had seemed familiar. I think we had our Committee Staff tearing through every possible document to try to piece together how this possible came to be. I think we were finally able to matchup and realtime what the actual context was as opposed to what Congressman Byron Donald chose to put on that screen. It really cannot be understated how deceptive that was to take, take critical messages out of context, to tear apart the context that theyre in, and then to photoshop a Text Message Bubble to make it look like it is reconstructed back on the phone, and this is supposed to be republican case for impeachment . At this point, we should be investigating the investigation for the ethical conduct that is happening on the republican side of the aisle. And i think, frankly, they knew the Republican Party knew that this was cooked and done for the beginning. Their Star Witnesses that they called in today. Said in their opening statements, that there is not evidence to support articles of impeachment against the president of the United States, and so this was done from the start. I am quite not really sure why they decided to embarrass themselves in this manner today, but it was evident. You can feel it, it was palpable and the hearing room. You said bryan donald there and that split screen, he himself was embarrassed, slouching in his chair. I dont know what was quite going through their minds. The Ranking Member, jamie raskin just said that they were leaving the committee room. This was like their big show. This was the big set piece, the unveiling at the thing that they have been building up to since they joined the house, honestly. It seemed like they did not at the heart to see it through the actual hearing today. Yes, and its important to also underscore the significance of leaving the hearing room in such a consequential hearing. For example, we had our questioning of Michael Cohen or other high profile witnesses. It is very well understood that in such a consequential hearing, your opposition is going to use every point of leverage possible, and you have to stay in those seats, for procedural votes, for example. We tried to vote on issuing subpoenas to actual firsthand witnesses of Rudy Giuliani of the Odd Progeny Of Where the story even began at the first place. And we were winning those votes. They had to scramble and call back members and delay. So you really inconsequential hearings, its hearing 101, that all members need to be in their seats to prepare for any affront from the opposition. Thats a really interesting point. Which sort of segues to the larger breakdown of discipline here, what is happening and the entire house, we are days away from it shut down. Its unclear what they really want, but they are floating these insane cuts to title i, a huge federal Education Program for low income districts, cuts to wic, which is for women with infant children. There are a bunch of people who will not get paid. I dont know if they know what their demands are, big spending cuts, even those they cant quite stomach. Do you have an understanding of what the ask is here, i guess . I think that there is an enormous amount of speculation as to the motives of the republican infighting. As he said, the stakes are very high. Or some folks, that might say that the federal employees may be getting back pay. Many will, but there are many people who are working, who will not get back, pay including employees with federal contractors. Even in the house capitol itself, the Cafeteria Workers are contract workers, and these workers are terrified because they may not get back pay. These are some of the most vulnerable workers that we see. Youre making just a couple bucks an hour, you cannot afford to miss a paycheck, let alone get let alone not have it repaid. They are literally, the Republican Party is literally biting the hands that feed them, here in the United States capitol, by playing games with a looming Government Shutdown. Ironically, many of the members that wasted time in that Impeachment Hearing today are the same members that are holding up the votes necessary for us to pass a clean resolution to fund the government what folks settle other differences. As the other and game, i think, frankly, some of them just want to file a motion to vacate against speaker mccarthy, and they think that if you shut down a government, create a crisis, then you can try to file a motion to vacate these vacate their own speaker of the house. But beyond that, its very difficult to try to understand what the endgame here is. All right, congresswoman alexandra ocasiocortez, great pleasure having you on, come back anytime. 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Over this week, in new york, a state judge found trump committed fraud without even going to trial. In a civil court of law, the judge found that there was overwhelming evidence that the republican front runner inflated the value of his assets by the billions, saying he is worth more than he is. Perception is one that donald trump as continuously used. And in many ways, it has worked out pretty well for him. But deception, outright deception, fraud, does not work in a court of law, at least they should not. Today, the ex president lost a bid to delay the start of the new york civil trial, which will kick off on monday. That has not stopped the criminal defendant using every strategy in every criminal case against him. Today, we were expecting this, following in the d. C. Election case, the heart of trumps legal faith, the faith of American Democracy, the ex president asked the judge for a two month delay to file a pretrial motion. That the light would put the trial back to may. Well see how the judge responds. From the very beginning at the generous case, we heard that judge shokin is extremely focused on a speedy trial. She also said that the more criminal defendants asked to take the jury pool, this Swifter The Trial would be. In the case where trump wanted the trial to begin in 2026, he wants the push this months and months until after the election, basically a fort month runway, this is the first two month chunk of it. His legal team is trying to take those two months here, so does judge chutkan let them . Stay tuned. Rsv is out there. For those 60 years and older protect against rsv with arexvy. Arexvy is a vaccine used to prevent lower Respiratory Disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. Arexvy does not protect everyone and is not for those with severe allergic reactions to its ingredients. Those with weakened Immune Systems may have a lower response to the vaccine. The most common side effects are injection site pain, fatigue, muscle pain, headache, and joint pain. The scene on capitol hill i chose arexvy. Rsv . Make it arexvy. Today, as i said, was a perfect illustration of the Congressional Republicans complete lack of unity despite their fidelity to donald trump. But in some ways, last nights republican primary debate was an even more devastating pictorial of that same party. You see, donald trump is the front runner of the Republican Party, and he has a clear political vision. He wants to dismantle American Democracy and replace it with autocracy run by himself. He was the purge the government of anybody who respects the constitution and replace them with loyalists that pledge fidelity to him. Just the day, President Biden called out trumps anti democratic agenda. Trump says the constitution gave, quote, the right to do whatever he wants as president , and quote. I never heard a president said that in jest. Not guided by the constitution or by Common Service and decency to our fellow americans, but by vengeance and victim. Seizing power, concentrating power, abuse power, purge and packed key institutions, skewing conspiracy theories, spreading lies for profit and power. Hes right, trumps pitch to voters is effectively put me in charge, and our Culture Enemies as an authoritarian strongman. That is a vial and dangerous vision, but it is a vision. And now, donald trump, of course, was not at the debate last night, which means that the whole thing was kind of strange, because his polling is ahead of his republican competitors. At the very least, you might think the environment or create the space for the other seven competitors to pitch their own vision of conservative government, especially considering that they have this debate in a place that has special meaning to conservatives. You have the Ronald Reagan president ial library. Another republican president its Ronald Reagan who republicans hold up as the man to successfully articulate a conservative fission for the country and turned that vision into a lasting but personally, i happen to think that reagan was an awful president , whose Legacy Damage at this country. But you cannot denied that he built a successful political coalition, based around what was at the time, a generally resonant political message. Its morning again in america. Today, more men and women will go forward than ever before in our country. With the record highs of 1980, nearly two dozen families today will buy new homes, more than at any time in the past four years. This afternoon, 6500 young men and women will be married, and with inflation at less than half of what it was four years ago, they can look forward with confidence to the future. Its a good ad. Every time i see, its a good ad. The actuality of that vision was far less than it seemed, but it was a vision. It is what made last nights debate at the Reagan Library so striking. There was no vision. This was supposed to be the chance to articulate a competing alternative to trumpism, to find a way to tap into the socalled political realignment, combining trumps right wing populism with increasing educational polarization, that is luring voters without College Degrees towards republicans. Trump understands that dynamic well enough to go along with the coupon, counterprograms debate by pretending to speak to striking autoworkers last night, when he was really speaking to management at a nonunion shop. But for the other candidates, what is your alternative to the . You are running for president against trump. What does conservatism after trump look like . What is your plan to rebuild the coalition that allowed him to narrowly win the electoral college, or a coalition the size of reagans . They had nothing. They did not want to talk about health care. They did not really want to talk about abortion. They did not even want to talk about the culture war stuff. They did not even say the word woke once. The only thing that they seemed to relish talking about, other than crime, is militarizing the border, going to war with mexico, which is part of trumps political project. It does not distinguish you. Is it any wonder that these candidates failed to leave a positive impression . Listen to how potential Republican Voters and iowa, the first day to caucus in the nation, reacted to the debate. If you are going to talk about something and be reasonable, but once they start fussing and fighting with each other, i think you have no control. So, i dont really want to put up with it. I dont think anybody did themselves a whole lot of good. I dont think any of them will be trump now, and that is what they had to do. I dont think that they can do that. It was boring. The debate was boring. They are losers. Theyre born losers. What are you trying to do . What are you trying to do . That is my question. What is your vision . What are you describing the people as the vision for conservative governance . Donald trump has got an answer. His answer is to make donald trump a dictator. What is your vision . Because right now, you have nothing, and you cannot beat something with nothing. Im orlando and im living with hiv. I dont have to worry about daily hiv pills because i switched to everyothermonth cabenuva. For adults who are undetectable, cabenuva is the only complete longacting Hiv Treatment you can get every other month. Its two injections from a healthcare provider. Now when i have people over, hiv pills arent on my mind. Dont receive cabenuva if youre allergic to its ingredients, or if youre taking certain medicines, which may interact with cabenuva. Serious side effects include allergic reactions, postinjection reactions, Liver Problems, and depression. 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You know i found that you wanted that right there wasnt encapsulation of both last nights republican president ial primary debate and the debate going on in the Republican Party right now. More broadly. Very loud, utterly meaningless. Who cares about the curtains . It was also such a perfect moment, in that, i would ask the candidates, do you think that the party that nominated donald trump cares one bit about your gotcha moment over expensive curtains. Is that what youre pinning for your hope for the future of the party on . Clare mccaskill, former democratic senator from missouri, host of the msnbc podcast, how to win 2024. Tim miller served as Communications Director of the 2016 jeb bush campaign. They both join me now. Tim, im gonna start with you. It was really striking to me, i saw a few people noting this. You take away donald trump, you dont get him a donald trump. Obviously, these are bad formats for folks, seven people onstage. I thought some of the questions were quite substantive. What is the vision . What is it . Basically, people either do some culture war stuff, or they talk like they are a republican from 2010. About the debt and the deficit. Theyre gonna bring down donald trump because he ran up the deficit. Im just thinking, like, im not a republican primary voter, even i know that doesnt work with him. Do you feel the same way . That theres something, like, a donut hole in the middle of this entire enterprise . I do. I started getting text from democratic strategist friends, they thought nikki haley was doing a good job. I knew that was not a good sign for nikki haley. You know, that is right. Her and pence, i guess, the one area where i would quibble with you, nikki and pence, pence or particular, offered kind of a Zombie Reagans vision, an alternate vision of how we should go back to the pretrump party. The problem with that, both of them are losing to a guy that didnt vote until three years ago, and ran a shady company. Came out of nowhere. And had a weird name. That shows you what the extent of the appeal of that turn back the Clock Message is. So, beyond that, i do think its right. The other guys thought that, you know, pence in particular, culture were all that way down was the way to win. This attacking the libs, attacking the elites. Its just, you cant do that better than donald trump. I do think that youre right on when you just say, looking at the stage, nobody is offering a compelling message to the maga voters, not the remedy who like the Republican Party. A big minority of the party. But to the maga voters, nobody is offering that hey, heres an alternative version from donald trump. Im gonna give you something that you can, you know, wrap your arms around, that will appeal to you, and lift your spirits, this so you dont have to vote for that guy again. None of them even to be trying to do that. Zombie reagan is a good term. Theres a lot of that. Again, like, you know, i get why, if youre mike pence, thats kind of your thing. You are kind of a reagan conservative. Thats her gonna try to win people over. Clare, it was notable to, me desantis seems to at least be aware at this point of the massive strategic error he made. He was saying woke every two words for about two months. Well he dropped 20 points in the polls. He didnt say it once last night they have gotten the message at least, that thing theyre trying to do, as tim said, get to the right of trump on culture war, that is a dead end. Yeah. A wise debate prep person once told me, theres only three things you can hope to do in a debate. One, to be likable. Two, to establish your narrative why you are the best candidate. Three, to attack whoevers leading the race. So, i looked around last night, i dont think any of these candidates got that memo. Heres my theory, i couldnt tell what they were fighting for. I just got they were fighting each other. Not trump. And really, frankly, not even biden very effectively. I mean, it was bizarre. It seems like theres two worlds right now in the Republican Party. There is the world of reality, where trump is kicking all of their proverbial you know whats. And then theres this other universe of people who want to believe somebody can beat him. And primary among that universe are big donors. The billionaires. The multi hundred millionaires. That gave big checks to pacs. That are allowing nikki haley and tim scott to at least air commercials. It felt like, to me, thats who they were trying to talk to last night. Look at us. We are tough enough. Give us money. Give us money. It felt like they were only speaking to the Multi Millionaire Billionaire Class for pac money, to try to hang on in iowa, and maybe hang on in new hampshire, so they are the last two or three standing. Thats a smart point. Thats where the Zombie Reagan ism comes from. That really does sell with well. Today, theres reporting that theyre gonna try to recruit Glenn Youngkin into the race. Im like, guys, again, i hate to tell you this, you know, thats not gonna work. Okay bullet one thing you said, none of those three threes, including being likable. I thought Vivek Ramaswamy was one of the most likable people ive ever seen on tv, just incredibly likable. Individual. I want to read to you this was just put out, tim, by ahat group thats been trying to hit trump in ads. Republican Group Running anti trump ads finds little is working. Which is a hilarious headline. Yeah, no k. In the memo, the head of when it backpack, acknowledges donoatfter extensive testing of more than 40 anti trump televisi, all attempts to undermine his conservative credentials on specific issues were ineffective. I could have told you this after you all lost the 2016 race. Like, how are we still doing this . We did this already. I know, it is unbelievable wealth transfer. I continue to just offer my Pro Bono Services to any rich republican that wants to blow 1 Million Dollars. Like, if you just make a donation, and some of that to charity, i will take you to a maga event, you can see how hopeless this money is. Heres the problem, donald trump is the most well known man among the Republican Base in the entire world. By a mile. They all have very deeply held views of him. This idea that a 30 second ad, donald trump was not consistent on abortion, is gonna change peoples minds. Its crazy. Its insane. Its the same strategy ted cruz ran last time. Its like, these guy spent eight years second up to him, saying is the best president ever, now theyre like, well 30 second ads dont work . No kidding. Yeah, a lot of consultants buying their third boat. Clare, any hope for this field . No. Theyre done. Theyre all done. Stick a fork in the, theyre all done. None of them will be vice president. Maybe the really likable you know, i got your cynicism there, Vivek Ramaswamy will be a Cabinet Secretary if the world comes to an end and trump wins. But i dont think trumps gonna win. I think biden had a really strong week. Really strong week. Claire mccaskill, tim miller, thank you both, well be right back. The power goes out and we still have wifi to do our homework. And thats a good thing . Great in my book who are you . No power . No problem. Introducing stormready wifi. Now you can stay reliably connected through Power Outages with unlimited cellular data and up to 4 hours of battery backup to keep you online. Only from xfinity. We had an incredible kick off home of the xfinity 10g network. To our pawed live to, or at the Texas Festival In Austin last week. It was a blast to be onstage the with pod live show in chicago at the House Of Blues with the amazing naomi klein and the one and only joyreid. Get tickets now. If youve never been to one