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Next week. Breaking news from ukraine, at least 51 people are dead after a russian strike on a supermarket. President zelenskyy calling it one of the deadliest attacks on civilians in months. Prosecutors paint a damming portrait of Sam Bankmanfried and the lavish lifestyle he lived before it came crashing down. Defense says hes no villain, just a math nerd with good intentions. A wild trust in the Corruption Case against senator bob menendez and his wife. The allegations that a deadly Car Crash Led them to take a mercedesbenz as a bribe. Our nbc News Reporters are following all of the latest developments. We start on capitol hill where the race for the next speaker is both unsettled and filled with intrigue. Nbcs Julie Tsirkin is there. Whats the latest . Multiple sources tell myself and our colleagues that the former president is considering heading to the capitol next week to get involved in the speakers race. One source specifically told me it is the former president s intention according to his conversation with him that the former president intends to unify the party, to endorse whoever comes out as the speaker candidate inside the Conference Meeting behind closed doors. It is not necessarily the former president s intention to run for speaker, and he said as much on his truth social posts and publicly as well that he would be happy to help out in the interim but ultimately thinks a better candidate from inside the gop cnce will come about. Certainly both of those candidates that have officially made thaid official and theyre declaring their intention inhe letters is Steve Scalise, a member of Republican Leadership now, and congressman jim jordan who carries the mantle on the Impeachment Inquiry that Speaker Mccarthy announced when he was speaker. Jim jordan spoke to ali vitali about this including his conversations with the former president. Reporter you of course talk to former President Trump often. Have you talked to him about this . Do you want his explicit support in this . I talk with the president all the time. Im losing my voice, i have talked with so many colleagues, and so many people yesterday, and i got to get back on the phone now. Were focused on this race. Have you talked to him about this . About this and all kinds of issues. Reporter and is he supportive of your run . I mean, i dont want to say anything because i had a great conversation with the president. Reporter jordan, the chair of the judiciary committee, the weaponization, he had the former president s ear. Hes been a big ally for trump as well, and he has the ear of some of the hard right flank of conservatives here who are all throwing their support behind him. Of course Steve Scalise is also in this race, and there are a number of other candidates, chair of the republican study committee. All in all, of course the person who becomes speaker needs to clinch 217 votes on the floor. Well see if they can get that done next week. Julie tsirkin, thank you. We have that Breaking News out of ukraine where at least 51 people are dead after a Russian Missile strike on a Grocery Store and cafe. Nbcs raf sanchez joins us now. Raf, president Volodymyr Zelenskyy is calling this, im quoting him, a completely deliberate act of terrorism. What more do we know . Reporter chris, this is already the deadliest russian strike on ukrainian civilians this year. It appears to be one of the deadliest strikes of the entire war. Heres what we know. Ukrainian Officials Say a Russian Missile came down in this village of harosa this afternoon. The village is about 30 miles from the front line. Theres no signs at all that there were legitimate Military Targets in the area. As you said, 51 People Killed and this is a village of a population of just 300. That is about one in six of the entire village killed in a single strike. Among the dead, according to local officials is a 6yearold boy, and chris, there is a grim, grim irony here. The reason the villagers were all concentrated in one place is they were attending a memorial for a neighborhood who was killed in earlier fighting. The Kharkiv Region where this happened has seen more than its fair share of horror over the course of a year. I have spent a lot of time there, but people are really, really shaken by the scale of this loss of life. Officials there have declared three days of mourning. As you said, president zelenskyy is in spain right now. Hes trying to shore up western support for the war effort and it is coming at a moment of real uncertainty in washington. As you know, chris, the 45day continuing resolution that Congress Passed to keep the government open does not include aid from ukraine, and as julie was saying, the politics insides Republican Caucus in the house right now are so complicated, it is not at all clear that a new speaker is going to be able to steer more aid to ukraine through the house if they even want to. Not at all clear. President zelenskyy, though, is saying he remains confident in american support after his visit to washington last month, chris. Raf sanchez, thank you. Right now in manhattan, a close friend of the so called crypto king, Sam Bankmanfried is on the stand at his trial. Cnbcs kate rooney is live at the courthouse for cnbc on msnbc. This witness wasnt just a friend but part of the business from the beginning. What are we hearing today . So, chris, thats been a theme. Some of the lines between friendships and associates have been blurred. He lives with Sam Bankmanfried. There were some texts shown with Sam Bankmanfried and some of his top executives, talking about paying rent and the thought that alameda, the hedge fund involved here that Sam Bankmanfried also founded and controlled was going to pay the rent. They were essentially going to live there for free. That was interesting. We heard about some of the lifestyle there. They did talk about the issues that Sam Bankmanfried is accused of committing. Fraud in this case, there was 8 billion hole that this witness sai h confronted Sam Bankmanfried about on a Pickleball Court in the bahamas, and Sam Bankmanfried was well aware of some of the issues and tried to, at least, in some cases, cover that up, and thats really what theyre arguing about. Inside this gentleman went to m. I. T. With Sam Bankmanfried, it is one of his inner circle. Were expecting to hear from more of those types of executives. Were expecting to hear from one top executive, a cofounder of ftx, as well as caroline ellison, Sam Bankmanfrieds former girlfriend. She ran this hedge fund. They said its partially her fault that she wasnt protecting to the downside in some cases with the investment decisions. Theyre trying to paint him as a hard working start up, who made mistakes. A deadly car crash from 2018 is at the center of the Bribery Charges against senator bob menendez and his wife nadine. Nbcs tom winter is following this for us. What happened and how do the pieces all fit together . Reporter sure, chris, so this accident happened in late 2018 in new jersey, and the accident involved an individual pedestrian that according to Police Records obtained by wnbc and nbc news, the vehicle was driven by nadine menendez. At the time they were not married but its our understand they were dating. Apparently she hit the individual, striking him and eventually he ended up dying at the hospital. According to those records. Youre looking at a photograph of the car, a mercedesbenz that mrs. Menendez was allegedly driving at the time. The police did not charge her with any crime at all. They looked at the accident. They looked at the factors that were involved, and they determined that she was not at fault for it. They did ask her at one point, and youre looking at her there on camera talking to police officers. This is body warn camera obtained by a public records request. She did ask for their cell phone. She gave it to them briefly according to the police report, and immediately asked for it back. Based on my experience, thats something that specifically happens when police are trying to determine whether or not somebody might have been on the phone at the time of the accident. Ultimately, as i said, no charges were filed. The reason why this has any sort of relevance whatsoever to the criminal charges, both mrs. Menendez and the senator face is we have been trying to determine why she allegedly needed a new car in 2019, a new mercedesbenz, a photograph published in the indictment, is whether or not she needed that and how she was able to get it. According to federal prosecutors, a person named jose yuribe made payments at her request, payments that ceased, according to the indictment, when the fbi approached about the payments of the car. This was all part of the alleged Bribery Scheme that she was involved with and that the car was payment for potentially some help on a state case involving uribe. Mrs. Menendez and the senator have pled not guilty to all the charges and denied any wrong doing. Youre looking at the two of them exiting court. Thats why the particular accident is relevant to the indictment, and of course this case remains very much under investigation. The allegations contained in the federal indictment, i should say, and we continue to look over the records from this particular accident, chris. Tom winter, thank you so much. The case that launched the Podcast Craze back in the news today, now adnon syed faces the possibility of going back to prison. Well explain why in 60 seconds. O prison well explain why in 60 seconds. . [camera shutter sfx] he thinks his flaky, red patches are all people see. Otezla is the 1 prescribed pill to treat plaque psoriasis. [ned . ] it can help you get clearer skin and reduce itching and flaking. With no routine blood tests required. Doctors have been prescribing it for nearly a decade. Otezla is also approved to treat psoriatic arthritis. Dont use otezla if youre allergic to it. Serious allergic reactions can happen. Otezla may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. Some people taking otezla had depression, suicidal thoughts, or weight loss. Upper respiratory tract infection and headache may occur. [crowd gasp] with clearer skin, movie night is a groovy night. [ting] live in the moment. Ask your doctor about otezla. Out of syria where a u. S. Fighter jet has shut down a Turkish Drone. Courtney kube covers National Security for nbc news. What do we know, courtney . Reporter thats right, its a pretty remarkable event. A Turkish Drone was flying near where u. S. Troops are operating in Northeastn Syria earlier today. Now, the u. S. Military warned the Turkish Military and said, hey, youre coming kind of close to the troops. Fast forward, 11 40 a. M. Local time today, the drone, which is armed or was armed flew again near the u. S. Troops. The u. S. Scrambled an f16 fighter jet and shot it down. We do know that after this incident, both Secretary Of Defense lloyd austin and the new chairman of the joint chiefs, general cq brown spoke with their turkish counter parts. Were expecting to learn more about those conversations today. As i mentioned, this is a pretty remarkable event. Turkey is a nato ally so were waiting to hear a little bit more about the interaction between the u. S. And the Turkish Military after this incident to see how those conversations went and where it could go from here, chris. Courtney kube, keep us posted, thank you. The man whose murder case became a National Obsession via the Hit Podcast Serial is fighting to avoid going back to prison. Adnan syed spent 23 years behind bars for the murder of his high school girlfriend. Prosecutors admitted they withheld key evidence, evidence that pointed to two possible other suspects. Maryland Supreme Court is weighing whether the Baltimore Circuit Court in overturning the conviction violated the rights of the victims family. Heres adnan syed in front of the courthouse this morning. Were definitely grateful for the opportunity to present our case to the Supreme Court, and were grateful for all the support we have received over the past 24 years. Joining me now, charles coleman, former federal prosecutor, civil rights attorney, and msnbc legal analyst. I was obsessed like a lot of people with this case, but for those who werent, bear with me. This is the time line. 14 years later, serial, the podcast uncovers new evidence that ultimately leads a judge to grant him a new trial. Theres all this legal wrangling. His conviction is overturned in 2022. Charges are dropped, and this year its reinstated because of the issue thats now before maryland Supreme Court, and this is what the attorney representing hae min lees family said after the hearing. Based on what i heard today, im confident that the Supreme Court of maryland is going to adopt our position. Its going to acknowledge that our rights have been violated here as victims, and as a victim representative. That there wasnt adequate notice, that there wasnt a right to attend, and there wasnt a meaningful right to participate and be heard. Now, what syeds lawyers say is they were there via zoom, not in person, and theres no proof that being there in person would have changed anything. What do you make of this fight . This is an interesting conversation because on one hand, you have the discussion for Victims Rights and their families, in terms of being able to be present and proper notice. This is someone who was notified during covid that they would need to travel from california to maryland on a friday for a hearing that was on a monday. At the same time, opposite that, you have a conversation about wrongful convictions and how often that happens, and as a former prosecutor, i can tell you that that is a very serious matter. Youre talking about a man who was in jail for over a decade and a half for a crime that prosecutors are not convinced he admitted based off of this evidence. So when youre talking about balancing the interest on the scales, thats really a big part of the conversation. In addition to that, from a policy perspective, there is no specific stated law in terms of Victims Rights in the state of maryland as to how much notice is required, so as part of the hearing today, some of the justices on the Appeals Court asked the defendant, basically, shouldnt you be here talking to the Maryland State House about making this more codified in terms of law because you werent able to attend during covid. So there are a lot of things to unpack as far as the situation is concerned. You talked about the people wrongfully convicted. 70 people who were wrongfully convicted. It includes amanda knox, and yusef salome, members of the five. Supporting adnan syed, saying they spent 1,220 years in prison for crimes they did not commit. Does that support have an impact in the decision balanced against the rights of the family. Its a conversation about what the clerks are looking at. Theyre the ones that are going to unpack all of the letters and amicus briefs that are filed on either side or either party. I think its important to understand that unfortunately mr. Syed finds himself in the middle of this, but this is really a conversation about the process and the system. Mr. Lee and the family of the victim are really upset about the fact that they didnt get notice about this hearing at the appropriate time. Thats not necessarily the fault of mr. Syed. Prosecutors made that decision in order to, number one, dismiss the charges against him, and then the court made the decision to essentially overturn the conviction and allow that, and allow him out. Thats not mr. Syeds doing. The fact that he finds himself in the predicament at this time, because of a system failure. Hes not going to provide notice to the victims family. Thats on the prosecutor to do. Its unfortunate that at the center of this is a man who for all intents and purposes appears to have been wrongfully convicted who finds himself facing the possibility of going back to jail. We have some Breaking News as well, not related to adnan syed, a federal court has ordered alabama to adopt a new congressional map that creates a second black majority district. This has been going on for a while. Obviously has incredible impact about who might control the House Of Representatives next year among other things. Do you expect this to be the end of the fight where do you see this going and what do you make of the ruling . Im glad to see the ruling came down the way that it did, and its a very important case because ever since we have seen the gutting of the Voting Rights act, there have been numerous attacks In The Name Of democracy and fairness on actual democracy and on the Voting Rights of under privileged and under served communities. Youre talking about the disenfranchisement of Tens Of Thousands of black voters. Let me say in this specific case, alabamas 26 plus black, they got only one 1 of congressional. Its a significant victory in this case, and hopefully will set a precedent to go forward. I dont think weve seen the end of this. If you recall, chris, they refuse to adhere to what the Supreme Court previously said needed to be done, and thats how we got here in the first place. The question is going to be a matter of enforcement. I think it will be easier because now you have this sort of decision that has been upheld and this opportunity for them to finally get it right. But we never know because youre talking about alabama, and they have not necessarily been the most cooperative when it comes to respecting the right to vote for black people in that state. Charles, stay with us, how democrats are preparing for who could succeed Kevin Mccarthy as house speaker. Congressman Raja Krishnamoorthi joins me next. 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Its good to see you again. Its helpful to understand the mind set. Take me to the moments leading up to the ouster of Kevin Mccarthy. Did your colleagues talk about who they thought might take over. Did that factor into your decision or was it more about we dont want Kevin Mccarthy, well take our chances after that . First of all, there was tremendous unity behind our leader, Hakeem Jeffries and i got to tell you, this is really the case. Almost all of the comments in our Caucus Meetings were directed at whats best for the American People. How do we make sure the House Functions for them, and i think that really talk about what would happen if Kevin Mccarthy were removed didnt even happen to my knowledge. It was more focused on how should we conduct ourselves and how should we behave during the proceedings, and you know, what should we do that would really hold up the interests of the American People first . Right now, the two who have officially declared, as you know, are Steve Scalise and jim major dan. You served with congressman jordan on the oversight committee. Tell us what youre thinking right now. Im not sure. Is the short answer. Jim jordan is kind of heading this Impeachment Inquiry. And i sit on the oversight committee, which has kind of presided over some of these proceedings, and i have to tell you, anybody who is watching that Impeachment Inquiry or the first hearing would know that it was basically a joke. And it didnt really surface any evidence of any wrong doing whatsoever, by president biden, not a moving violation, not a parking ticket, and certainly nothing that would amount to a high crime or misdemeanor. But it seems like jim jordan was pursuing Donald Trumps agenda in pursuing this Impeachment Inquiry, so my concern is that if he became speaker, he would continue to do the same. You would basically have an agenda in the house to assist President Trump or former President Trumps president ial campaign. With regard to mr. Scalise, i know him, hes respected primarily because of the fact that he, you know, he was shot in 2017, has recovered from that largely, and then now is going through chemotherapy and has endured his sickness with some admiration. But i think the main thing right now, chris, is who is somebody whos going to, you know, have the American Peoples interests first and foremost because, you know, as speaker of the house, youre speaker for all the people, not just republicans, and not just hard Line Factions of the republican party. I hope youll come back and talk to us as we get closer, whenever that might be. Congressman, Raja Krishnamoorthi, thank you so much. Appreciate you coming on the show. Thank you. Theres a new Reality Setting in for millions of americans who have going to have to start paying off federal Student Loans after that long pandemic pause. The Biden Administration is trying to soften the blow announcing an additional 9 billion in debt forgiveness. Bills are already going out for 45 million borrowers who together owe about 1. 6 trillion after the Biden Administrations broader effort to forgive loans was killed by the Supreme Court. Joining me now is msnbcs anna cabrera. What did they tell you about the cost of college . Cost is a huge factor for these students. We went to mcnair, about 82 minority student population, and we spoke with seven High School Seniors from different background, different income levels, and they say not only does cost of College Impact where theyre applying to school but what they plan to study in school as well. Knowing theyre going to have these big loans to pay off. Heres part of our conversation. What factors are going into your thinking in considering where youre applying to school . A lot of it, Financial Aid and Financial Planning is a huge part. How many of you feel like thats a factor in where youre going to be apply something Show Of Hands . Everybody . Yeah. Cost is a big one. My parents and i have sat down and had this conversation, they made sure that i understand that going to college is an investment in my own future. Does it matter what you study in terms of the career you pursue because of the costs of college, because of the potential loans youll have to pay off . I think it definitely matters what you study because theres this idea that you can go to college and just study your passion, but because youre investing in your future, you really have to focus more on what job will allow you to pay that off. Is anybody here planning to just follow their passion and hope the rest just works out . Show of handles . You have said that cost is a major factor for you. It is something that worries me a lot because its going to be something that affects me after i graduate. And college is the investment, you know, its something that youre putting a lot of work towards now. Youre going to put a lot of money towards, and youre going to need that degree later. But there is a limit for me of where i can say, okay, this is a worthy investment. My dad has always told my brother and i, if you get into harvard, thats great. If rutgers gives you a full ride, guess where youre going. Really enjoyed that conversation with them. Such a bright group. So thoughtful. So engaged. So determined to go to college, but the reality is it is getting a lot more expensive. How much does it cost right now. Take a look at this graphic from u. S. News and World Reports annual survey of ranked colleges, tuition and fees at an instate Public School averages about 10,000 a year, double if youre going out of state, and private colleges, somewhere in the range of 40 to 50 k and more at the most elite colleges. Thats per year, and that doesnt include Room And Board and books, chris. So you can see how that financial barrier, its a big one for a lot of families. And why theyre saying theyre not going to necessarily pursue their passion, which is unfortunate. Ana cabrera, that was fascinating. Thank you so much for bringing it to us. Good to see you. We have Breaking News again. Former President Trump has filed a motion to get his federal election interference indictment dismissed. We just got our hands on it. 52 pages. Nbcs ryan riley has been looking at it. What does the document say . You know, essentially what theyre arguing here is the scope of his duties including what he was doing around the election. Essentially that he did really believe these things around the election, effectively that he was high on his own supply here, and that he didnt have impure motives, that he actually was trying to address questions of election integrity, and thats what he was doing in the scope of his duties. Theyre going to say this is all about what he was responsible for doing as president and that this is not chargeable conduct because this was part of his job as president. He was actually upholding his Oath Of Office here. So theyre sticking with that idea that he actually did believe this, of course there is a long history of donald trump believing false claims about the election, of course infamously in 2016, he refused to concede he lost the popular vote, even though he won the electoral college, and there were millions of fraudulent votes in that case as well. Theres an established history they can lean on here, essentially saying that this case cannot be brought forward because donald trump was doing his duties as president. Expect, obviously, some firm opposition, and strong arguments coming back from the special counsels office, when they get a chance to take a whack at arguments that the Donald Trump Team is making here, chris. Ryan riley, thank you so much. Charles, i said its 52 pages, unless youre the speed reader of the century, you havent gotten through all of it. A couple of things i noted and youll tell me. 234 years of history and tradition, support president ial immunity from criminal prosecution. They say that communicating with the u. S. Department of justice about the investigation of Election Fraud and considering replacing the Acting Attorney General lies at the heart of president ial duties. What else do you see . You know, i learn in law school that the law is what is boldly asserted and plausible maintained. There are a lot of bold assertions here, but i dont know how much of it is being plausibly maintained. Its important to understand, one of the things that when you are constructing a brief to be filed, a motion to dismiss or respond to go a motion, the cases you cite are going to be critical in upholding your position. What youre saying to the court is you dont have to take my word for it. I have friends. My friends are these cases and this precedent. The issue is that you want to have current precedent in order to establish your position, and i think its very curious that very up front, early on in the table of contents, they note they have early authorities, and im going through this table of authorities and just looking at some of the years of these cases, 1934, 1890, 1827, 1926, 1922, 1896. Youre talking about cases that are 200 years old, the precedent that they are trying to cite to, this is not strong. You want cases that are current. You want cases that are contemporary with The Way We Live Now and the way we understand america to be, north to support your position. The fact that you have these cases which are centuries old and youre using these as the bedrock of your argument, you have serious approximate. If you look the at argument, they essentially make the same argument twice in the subsection of. 2, basically alleging this out of perimeter doctrine, it comes from another Supreme Court case, and its not necessarily as ironclad as they are trying to suggest that it is is really really shaky. And so i go back to what i said at the very beginning of Donald Trumps indictments, which are we are going to learn and get an up front, front row view as to how lawyers in america make money because youre able to file briefs like these. I dont know that were going to end up with sanctions here, but this is not going far at all. I can tell you that, with even a cursory and preliminary view of what it is theyre arguing and how theyre supported. Sanctions because . Because as an attorney, there are certain arguments youre not supposed to make, and certain motions youre not supposed to file because theyre frivolous. Whether this goes to being frivolous, i dont know. But what we know is there ever been other courts that have considered the executive immunity argument, and they have thrown it out. As far as this case is concerned, this may be the first step. I dont anticipate that they are going to stop trying to make this argument, even if and when this motion is defeated, but understand that it may ultimately serve their longterm goal which as we all know is to delay this as long as possible. A little bit of Light Reading ill have later in the day, these 52 pages. You and me both. From the u. S. District court, u. S. Versus donald trump defendant. Thank you so much, charles coleman, appreciate it. 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It could be the consequences of the Summary Judgment, so that includes news from this morning, an order of the judge released which is giving them an october 26th deadline for both sides to identify potential receivers for the dissolution of Trump Organization llcs. This was something that the judge ordered in his Summary Judgment. Also, any movements of assets or liabilities would have to go through and be notified to an independent monitor whos a former judge in the situation. The scope could be that. The scope could be a stay or a pause of the entire trial that were seeing right now. So we can expect more developments on that to come, but court back in session. We heard from Donald Bender the last few days, trumps former accountant, and now were hearing from jeffrey mcconney, former svp of the Trump Organization whos testifying that it was the accountant, benders firm that was charged with preparing these Financial Statements that the ags office says were over inflated. But he admitted that trump was entitled to final review of those Financial Statements. Now, the Attorney General also introducing a list of documents showing Trump Properties that mcconny had new values, essentially saying to get loans, for example, the trumps assets were client reported. As for bender, he was the accountant who finished up cross. We saw more fireworks today, chris, that were reminiscent of what happened yesterday. The judge getting frustrated with the pace of the crossexamination, it was very repetitive going year after year. The judge wants to keep this on a tight time line because the trial could go as long as through december. Certainly, chris, new legal developments here in this civil case. Without a doubt, Lindsey Reiser, thank you. The irony is we were talking about the facts that folks inside the temperature has gone down since trump left. Obviously the temperature has gone back up. Basically as i understand it, reading these various documents and notes we have gotten from people on the inside, trumps lawyers, all of them, by the way, making the argument, were going to give you a headsup, tomorrow at 10 00 a. M. , we are going to file for a stay pending the appeal. They havent filed yet. Theyre just sort of giving them notice, and the Prosecutor Says what is going on here. I dont know anything about this. And the judge says a stay of what, to which they respond, well, were not going to really tell you. Were just telling you that were going to file it tomorrow at 10 00. Then andrew aimer, from the ags office, says im supposed to get 24 hours notice, first of all, and was described by people inside the courtroom as very upset. Does he have a right under these circumstances to be upset about whats happening here . He does, and this is in many respects some version of legal gamesmanship, which we see being played by Donald Trumps attorneys. It shouldnt be a huge surprise but it is something they can do. They are supposed to provide opposing parties with 24 hours of notice at a minimum in terms of motions that they intend to file, now, this is not necessarily the biggest shocker to me, chris, and ill tell you why. More likely than not. Donald trumps attorneys are looking to respond to the Summary Judgment decision which was issued last week, and the reason theyre looking to do it at this point is because if they go forward with the dissolution of Donald Trumps Business Entities in new york, if they go forward with suspending the Business License and moving those businesses into receivership, those are going to be as they will likely argue, very prejudiced to donald trump, in that, if, for example, the appeal of the Summary Judgment decision is successful, thats hard to reverse from a Reputational Damage place, as well as just the rigamarole of what it will take to reestablish their business. So theyre likely going to make that argument and theyre going to argue more or less this should be stayed pending a decision on the Summary Judgment decision appeal, as well as a stay for the trial because if you win on Summary Judgment appeal, it changes the entire complex of the issues that are going to play at trial. I dont know how this is going to play out. It is a crafty, interesting, i wont call it low down, but i will say perhaps slightly below board trick by Donald Trumps attorneys. They have every right to do it, but its very unconventional. My question is it a trick or could it be successful . Theyre going before the Appellate Division tomorrow, 10 00 a. M. , presumably thats the point at which the prosecution will get a look at it. But could this be a winning argument . Its a punchers chance, swinging for the fences, if they do win the argument, it changes everything. When i say it changes everything, what i mean is it does stop the dissolution of his Business License being sunday suspended in new york. Its not a huge deal because youre talking about a bench trial in front of a judge as opposed to a jury now hearing different information, so that transition will be a lot smoother. At the same time, its still going to be sort of a Seismic Shift in terms of the scope of what the judge is looking at as we talk about the issues at trial, as compared to what hes looking at now. So thats the manhattan case. His wealth and reputation at stake. Sure. And because apparently were going for a guinness book of world records. Lets do it. We have another set of Breaking News. Weve got cameras inside a fiery courtroom in fulton county, georgia. A judge is Hearing Arguments from Sidney Powells legal team that charges against her in the d. A. s 2020 Election Probe should be thrown out. They say theres evidence that there are emails, Witness Testimony that powell actually had nothing to do with coffee county. I want to bring in nbcs Blayne Alexander from outside the courthouse in atlanta. I know your producer charlie is inside that room. Im sure you guys are communicating nonstop. If you need to look at your phone, no problem, but what do we know right now . Reporter constant texts, youre absolutely right. What we know is were hearing from powells attorney, Brian Rafferty who is giving exactly what you said, that there is evidence in the form of emails, in the form of Witness Testimony that he says basically clears his clients name, proves she has nothing to do with the data breach in coffee county. He is even saying that the state has evidence that someone else signed her name but they went forward and charged her anyway, indicted her anyway. Heres a little bit of what he said so far in this courtroom. Take a look. As ive always said is ms. Powell had nothing to do with coffee county. She didnt have anything to do with it. I have been contending that. I have been contending that theres evidence that shows that. So that testimony, emails, documents, other information that demonstrates that people were asked, what do you know about ms. Powell connected to coffee county, and they say nothing, never talked to her. Never spoke with her. Never met with her. All of that information, your honor, i have been saying. Reporter thats powells side, and i think its very clear to say we have only heard from her attorney so far in this hearing. We havent heard from the state yet. What we did hear from the state was a preargument in a filing that came out earlier today ahead of this hearing, and basically, as you would expect, they pushed back vigorously on this for a couple of reasons. One, saying theres no basis for claiming prosecutorial misconduct, but also saying that essentially what Sidney Powell and her attorneys are trying to do, according to the state, is argue this case in motions basically saying that through this, theyre presenting their own set of facts and theyre welcome to do that if they want to, but they have to do it before a jury during trial. Thats that set of facts right there. The other thing, chris, as were watching this play out, all of these different hearings, remember, we just saw a guilty plea last friday from a former codefendant of Sidney Powell and donald trump. Im talking about scott hall, he pleaded guilty to five Misdemeanor Counts and he admitted that Sidney Powell had signed a contract, entered into a contract with the firm that was hired to go get the information from the Voting Machines in coffee county. So certainly that kind of complicates her attorneys arguments to say the least, and its something were going continue seeing with defendants tighting charges in different ways. All wrapped up. If you give information inside the courthouse, give the hi sign, and well come back to. Charles, its a risky proposition. We havent heard everything. Were just getting the notes, but it sounds to me like what Sidney Powells lawyers are arguing, is look, all of these people in coffee county, they didnt have any interaction with her. They dont know anything about it, but then theres somebody whos turned states evidence against Sidney Powell who says but i was the one who was kind of the go between. Thats how i read it. What do you make of their argument . Its interesting, and as we were listening to the reporter on the scene, i was thinking to myself, its not unusual for a Defense Attorney to allege well, first of all, brady motions are not unusual. That is the motion theyre talking about in terms of you have exculpatory evidence, youre supposed to turn that over. The notion of emails and documents, im curious as to how you know these things exist. Im asking this because you have to have a good faith basis for filing a brady motion. It suggests you have them or youve seen them if you know that they exist, which begs the question from the prosecution well, why do you really need them to be produced during discovery. Very curious about that. Im more curious as to with this notion of the alleged forgery that has been advanced by the Defense Attorney, how do you intend to prove thats the case . Listen, prosecutors deal with this sort of stuff all the time, and they understand the difference between what you have to give a grand jury and what you have to give a Defense Attorney in terms of their amounts of evidence. Im not surprised that this is coming forward, and even as you are getting more people who are cooperating with fani williss office, i think that theres going to be more conversation about the evidence that the prosecutors have and how that is being presented in terms of discovery to Defense Attorneys, so this is not a shocker. But i also dont expect its going to be some huge block buster thats going to result in a dismissal against powell. Charles, we know that theres one person who has and ive got 30 seconds for this. One person who has said theyre going to turn. Would you expect more . Absolutely. But heres the important thing to understand, if youre goi to consider taking a plea, i advise you to tak it earlier because the more that other people take pleas, the less desirable the office from the prosecutors are going to get because you made them work harder and you made them work longer when you could have just flipped earlier on. Thats going to be an interesting thing to watch. 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Switch to verizon, you can trade in any iphone, and get the new iphone 15 pro on them. vo trade in any iphone in any condition for a new iphone 15 pro on us. Only on verizon. A legal case against congressman George Santos could take a turn in the next hour when his former Campaign Treasurer is expected to plead guilty to Felony Charges in a long island federal courthouse. Court documents say the guilty play relates to the ongoing criminal case against the embattled freshman republican who faces a 13count indictment that includes charges of embezzling Campaign Funds and lying to congress on Financial Disclosure documents. Santos, you may know has pleaded not guilty. He denies any wrong doing. Its unclear whether his former staffer has agreed to cooperate with prosecutors. The Largest Health care strike in u. S. History is already having major consequences for people in need of medical care. Operations that had to be rescheduled, nonurgent pursues have been postponed. Even Chemotherapy Treatments have been cancelled while 75,000 striking Kaiser Permanente workers hit the picket lines. David, what are you hearing from people there today . Reporter first of all, theres an update. In the last couple of hours, kaiser had a new Proposal Offering a 5 pay increase in the first year, short of the 7 the unions are asking for, and theyre not budging on that. In the meantime, the disruptions are real. Interestingly, though, a lot of patients we have spoken with are siding with the workers on this. Heres what we heard from a couple who came to this hospital in l. A. For appointments today. We get to see our own doctor only once a year. I want to ask where is the money . Kaiser, where is the money because when i had a car accident and i went to my doctors clinic, there were not even bandaids. Now were finding out that not even the workers get paid what theyre supposed to get. So where is the money . Reporter so like you heard, chris, a lot of patients blame the under staffing that the workers say is causing the strike in the first place. As the disruptions get worse and as the workers go on strike in november, where does Public Opinion fall, do they place the blame at the feet of the unions and workers or the feet of kaiser. Chris. David noriega, in los angeles for us. Thank you for that. Thats going to do it for us this hour. Join us for Chris Jansing reports every weekday 1 00 to 3 00 p. M. Eastern right here on msnbc. Katy tur reports starts right now good to be with you, im katy tur. The house gop says they will hold a vote for a new speaker next week. Right now the house is in recess as republicans scramble to figure out who can lead them. There are two well known lawmakers who have already announced a run. Youve heard them, Steve Scalise and jim jordan, but neither are a shoe in. Scalise is a prolific fundraiser with a compelling personal story. 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