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Tonight on the reidout a bunch of Dodgy Affidavits that dont add up. You have a group of people with dubious credentials. Thats your characterization. Thats all your characterization. So far, you have provided no evidence. You myth as well be working for dominion and smartmatic. Im waiting for you to provide the evidence. Youll see it in court. That was back in 2021. And now, we will hear all about it in court, as the cracken lady, Sidney Powell, accepts a plea guiel, agreeing to testify against donald trump and the other codefendants in the Georgia Election interference case. Also tonight, the disgraceful Republican House caucus is still leaderless, with jim jordan vowing to make yet another embarrassing effort to win the speakers gavel. And were one hour from an address from joe biden. And we begin tonight with the release of the cracken, but not in the way donald trump was expecting. We learned one of trumps key allies and legal agitators cut a deal with fani Willis Office in the Georgia Election interference case. Attorney Sidney Powell is the second defendant in the sprawling case to reach a deal with prosecutors. Powell pleaded guilty to six misdemeanors for conspiring to intentionally interfere with the performance of election duties. Shell serve six years of probation, pay a 6,000 fine, and write an Apology Letter to georgia and its residents. She also agreed to testify truthfully against her codefendants in future trials. She already has been doing some of that. Do you understand theres a special condition of this sentence that you are to provide what you have already done, a recorded proffer to the state and provide any documents and evidence subject to any lawful privileges asserted in a good faith prior to entering this plea . I do. Her deal and the subsequent cooperation is the most immediate threat to the former president. It will also be our first real opportunity to hear from a key player from trumps inner circle about what trump was truly thinking in the days between him losing the election and the assault on our capitol. This deal will also be extremely helpful to special counsel jack smith, but that does not mean that powell is in the clear. She is one of the six Unindicted Coconspirators in that case. Shes Coconspirator Number three. In that indictment, smith notes that trump privately admitted to others that powells claims of Election Fraud were crazy, but he kept pushing those lies publically and in legal filings anyway. Powell spent hours with trump and his aides pushing unhinged lies about the election and pushing for breathtakingly undemocratic measures which included seizing Voting Machines and suggesting the very deceased venezuelan ruler, hugo chavez, was behind efforts to rig the election. Trump was going to appoint powell as a special counsel to investigate supposed Election Fraud. Part of the reason for that was her eagerness to appear on television and to push those unfounded claims. This is stunning, heartbreaking, infuriating. And the most unpatriotic acts i can even imagine for people in this country to have participated in, in any way, shape, or form. I want the American Public to know right now, we will not be intimidated. Were not going to back down. Were going to clean this mess up now. President trump won by a landslide. Were going to prove it. That appointment and her appearances were part of a larger strategy to help the Trump Campaign delay the counting of electoral votes on january 6th. The proposal to appoint her as special counsel was so unhinged and dangerous that the white house lawyer Pat Cipollone warned trump that every member of his White House Counsels Office would resign. I dont think Sidney Powell would say that i thought it was a good idea to appoint a special counsel. I didnt think she should be appointed to anything. There was a real question in my mind and a real concern, particularly after the Attorney General had reached the conclusion that there wasnt sufficient Election Fraud to change the outcome of the election, when other people kept suggesting that there was, the answer is what is it . And at some point, you have to put up or shut up. Just yesterday, Fulton County judge scott mcafee denied a number of motions by Kenneth Chesebro and Sidney Powell trying to dismiss all of the counts against them ahead of their trial, which is set to start friday. Now, just for chesebro, however he pronounces it, abc news reported chesebro was offered a similar deal in december and declined. Nbc has confirmed that reporting. Trumps lawyer issued the following statement in response to powells plea deal. Assuming truthful testimony in the Fulton County case, it will be favorable to my overall defense strategy. Interestingly enough, Michigan Attorney general dana nessel secured a Cooperation Deal with one of the 16 republican Fake Electors in that state. Joining me now is katie phang, former florida prosecutor and host of the Katie Phang Show right here on msnbc. And barbara mcquade, former u. S. Attorney, professor at the university of michigan law school, and an msnbc legal analyst. Thank you both for being here. Let me start by playing for both of you, Sidney Powells 2021 Podcast Appearance in which she describes her plan to delay certifying the 2020 election. We were filing a 12th Amendment constitutional challenge to the process that the congress was to use under the electoral Act Provisions that simply dont jive with the 12th Amendment to the United States constitution and Justice Alito was our Circuit Justice for that. Then everything broke loose, and she had toeally speed up reconvening congress to get the vote going before Justice Alito might have issued an injunction to stop it all, which is what should have happened. Talk about the significance of having that person plead out. Is that to me . To barbara, sorry. Come back to you in a second, katie. To barb first. Its incredibly significant. One, just such an extreme about face. This is someone who is the spokesperson of releasing the krakken and all of the things about hugo chavez and venezuela and machines flipping votes, to have her say that shes guilty, that she committed these crimes is incredibly important. One thing we have not seen yet is the recorded statement, the proffer she gave to prosecutors that could be used to lock her into her story. I think some would say, well, she will be crossexamined because of her prior inconsistent statements. Even donald trump at one time reportedly called her crazy. Yet, when someone is aligned with someone on trial, be it donald trump or Kenneth Chesebro, prosecutors will typically say we didnt choose this person to be our witness. The defendant chose this person to associate himself with in this plot. So by having her testify, certainly, you would have to corroborate anything she has to say with other evidence. But she can be a very powerful narrator because she was in the room where so many of these events occurred. Katie, you were one of the people who helped to confirm this information about Kenneth Chesebro having been offered his own plea deal. Very interesting he was offered it first. He didnt take it. He would have had to plead guilty to a felony, but he would have been able to get his record expunged and pay a 10,000 fine. Talk about his risks now. Because he now is going to go to trial tomorrow, that trial starts tomorrow, it was supposed to be the two of them. Now its just going to be him. Yeah, so lets be clear. We dont know the timing of when these plea offers have been extended, meaning Sidney Powell could have gotten this plea offer before Kenneth Chesebro but opted not to take it until the trial. Why . Because as you noted, there have been a series of denials of these motions to dismiss that the judge in Fulton County has entered against Kenneth Chesebro as well as Sidney Powell. I also want to remind everybody the following as well. Kenneth chesebro didnt want to be tried with Sidney Powell and vice versa. They tried to be separated from each other when they both filed a speedy demand. At this point, Kenneth Chesebro is going to go to trial by himself. Doesnt mean he cant plead out at literally the last minute, but hes going to go to trial by himself. If thats the case, then hes got serious exposure, because now, it will be the full weight of the State Of Georgia, with fani willis, and the entirety of their 100something witnesses against just Kenneth Chesebro. Now were going to add another person to the witness list, scott hall, as well as Sidney Powell. Because scott hall took the plea deal. This is the first person to take a plea deal, right . This was the Bail Bondsman. So now you have the Bail Bondsman and you have Sidney Powell, katie, so theyre going to be witnesses now against chesebro, right . Yeah, and if you consider the following, its a great way of falling, right . Because scott hall as a georgia Bail Bondsman, his main role was involving the Coffee County brief of election equipment. He clearly had evidence against Sidney Powell. That was an incentive, i believe, for her to take a plea. Now you have Sidney Powell, but Sidney Powell is definitely not one of those low rung coconspirators. Shes the president s lawyer. Shes Donald Trumps lawyer. Shes the Trump Campaigns lawyer. So not only does she have to provide truthful testimony. She has to turn over documents. Those documents are 100 going to implicate donald trump as well as jenna ellis who was standing behind her in that presser, rudy giuliani, remember, these are all codefendants that have been charged with rico, so under Georgia State rico law, you dont have to all be planning it all together. Somebody could be doing something in one area of the State Of Georgia or another part of the country and you can be found guilty of rico. Barb, lets get into this. I have my handy danda copy hof the indictment, with ali velshi writing the foreword of it. Im going now to act 145 through 147 in which Sidney Powell is mentioned. Shes mentioned in Unlawful Possession of ballots from Coffee County. Shes mentioned in unlawful computer trespass, also Coffee County. And computer theft, also Coffee County. So it looks like the Coffee County part of it, this was the seize the Voting Machines and find the dominion, you know, software that flipped the election, that part of the plot. But to katies point, barb, there are a lot more people who fan out from her, and some people who the white house i mean, who the trump camp have been worried about. Jenna ellis has been saying a lot of stuff, making it sound like shes very ppy shes not getting her lawyers paid for. Are we looking at a situation where giuliani, ellis, those are the next dominos where fani willis is looking at . Thats typically how prosecutors like to work these things, working up the chain. They leapt a few levels here in getting to Sidney Powell, i think only because she asserted her right to a speedy trial so forced their hand to offer a plea deal a little earlier than they might otherwise have done instead of working their way one by one up the chain. Chesebro and powell with their trial date needed to get a plea deal to them before the trial date. Now that shes been secured, though, youre right, joy. Her testimony does not need to relate solely to those acts that she is specifically accused of. She can talk about anything that she knows that could be whats called substantial assistance against any other defendant or uncharged party in the schemes. So because she, for example, is in that Oval Office Meeting on December 18th of 2020, with giuliani and donald trump and his white House Counsel and theyre talking about things like seizing Voting Machines and appointing Sidney Powell to be a special counsel, she can talk about all of the things that went on in that room. She was really in that inner circle of the plotting, so it seems to me she has valuable testimony against all of those people at the higher wrungs. Now a twopart question for you, katie. Number one, what is her risk factor if shes not honest about this . We know Allen Weisselberg in a whole different case, the financial case, hes now accused of lying on the stand. The Attorney Generals Office in new york has filed a letter saying that they have identified likely omissions in documents provided by the defendants and thats not a good thi for him. He could go back to jail. Is this one of those things where shes going to testify, and if she isnt completely truthful, her old charges get reinserted . Thats part one of my question. Part two, if im jack smith, how excited am i about Sidney Powell . Because shes not one of my defendants but she could be. Well, yeah, to your point, shes an Unindicted Coconspirator at this stage. I love this question. Theres a lot of chatter on social media about how did she just get probation . She tried to subvert democracy and steal an election, basically. How do you just get probation . After the first offenders act in georgia, she can be put on probation, but if she violates a term of her probation, you go back to square one, meaning we cant withdraw the guilty plea and the judge can sentence you as if you had never agreed to probation in the first place. All that exposure for prison kicks back in. So its a real incentive for her to tell the truth. And if youre special counsel jack smith, i want this to be clear, too. She doesnt have an obligation per this probationary term in georgia to cooperate with jack smith, but you have to ask yourself, if youre putting yourself on the line right now in georgia to tell the truth, and what happened in georgia is directly related to what jack smith is investigating, youre going to cooperate with jack smith. This is just the beginning of i think a continuing like term of service that shes going to have to provide to prosecutors in the United States at this point. She works for the government now. Last question to you, barb. If im walt nauta in the whole other case, the classified documents case, hugo lowell tweeted he now is scheduled to decide whether he wants to waive hirights to conflictfree counsel and keep his trump pac financed lawyer who acknowledged for the first time he may be constrained at trial. Walt nauta is the lowlevel employee who is charged with donald trump in the classified documents case. If youre walt nauta and starting to see people, its a separate case from you, but big time people with money, pleading guilty to crimes related to donald trump, is that an incentive for you to maybe say, maybe i get off this trump train too . I think so. I think you see this happen all the time where you have got a united front of defendants who in a case have said we will never plead guilty, well never cooperate. Were defending our innocence. As the trial dates approach, you see some crack in the unity. And then once one falls so often so many others fall as well. Now, you know, these two cases are separate. But walt nauta is watching whats happening and seeing it happen and has to be thinking about what is in his own best interest. Thats what he should do, whats in his own best interest. Up next on the reidout, im thinking democratic congressman jamie raskin might have something to say about the complete and ulter chaos House Republicans are causing on capitol hill. Should i ask him . Im going to ask him. The reidout continues after this. If you want to lower stroke risk from afib not caused by a heart valve problem, theres a better treatment than warfarin. Eliquis. Eliquis reduces stroke risk and has less major bleeding. Dont Stop Taking Eliquis without talking to your doctor as this may increase your risk of stroke. Eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. Dont take eliquis if you have an Artificial Heart Valve or abnormal bleeding. While taking, you may bruise more easily. Or take longer for bleeding to stop. 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D the 25th Amendment describes speakers role in president ial succession if the president is incapacitated as the second in line to the role. And then there is what you might call the nancy pelosi rule, which is the speaker should never bring something to the floor that doesnt have the votes. Republicans dont seem to know either of those things. Today, they wasted another entire day fighting amongst themselves only to arrive right back where they started. Speakerless. Lacking the necessary 217 votes, jim jordan temporarily backed off his speaker quest, agreeing to get behind a proposal to empower interim speaker Patrick Mchenry until january 3rd. While jordan would remain speak er dezinate. Former Speaker Mccarthy screamed at gaetz while another member lunged at gaetz. The effort to empower mchenry fell apart among republicans in part because it would require democratic votes. I think this is the wrong thing to do. Our Republican Voters work very hard to give us our majority, and this conference is broken. I worry it might actually exacerbate the divide we see in the caucus right now. The biggest fu to Republican Voters i have ever seen. So in a Groundhog Day fashion, jim jordan says the plan for now is to pursue a third house vote tomorrow. Even as he continues to lose support and opposition is hardening from members who are getting literal Death Threats for not supporting him, plus pressure from sean hannity. Here we, 16 days without a speaker, less than a month from a Government Shutdown with two wars raging that require American Funding that cannot get processed because the republicanrun house is paralyzed. Good times. Joining me now is congressman jamie raskin of maryland. I want to first ask you, you know i like to use your role as a constitutional scholar and use that. But speaker mchenry, the speaker for now, told republicans in a closeddoor meeting he would resign as speaker pro tempif his colleagues push him to bring legislation to the floor without taking a vote, to explicitly expand his powers. Are there any enumerated powers and is it even legitimate to expand the powers of a tempspeaker . Well, we are in unknown territory here. You know, no party has ever pushed the House Of Representatives to this kind of chaos and uncertainty before. Article 1 does say each house can define the rules of its own proceeding, so theoretically, in addition to the textural provisions you have invoked that refer specifically to a speaker, he could create a speaker pro tem. We could create a moderator, an emcee for that matter, but then of course, the question is what is the authority of that person . Because has the House Of Representatives itself acted legitimately if we dont have a speaker . And nobody knows. And of course, that might have to be tested in court. So they are taking us to New Horizons Of Chaos and parliamentary confusion that nobody has ever seen before at this point. Yeah, i dont think a speaker has ever been thrown out. They were really making history here. The other sort of thing that has been notable about this mess have been the tactics of projordan forces, we dont know who specifically is doing it, but the death thres. Representative marianne millerm Drew Ferguson, both got Death Threats for not voting for jordan. Other members, Drew Ferguson told republicans he had to have a sheriff stationed at his Daughters School over threats. Ken buck has said hes had four Death Threats and gotten evicted from one of his offices in colorado. I know other members who have been accused of being communists but they happen to be republican conservatives. And some of Cuban American background, calling them communists. Like, the tactics and even having Sean Hannitys producers pressure people. That also feels unprecedented. It doesnt even seem to be effective. Your thoughts on that. Well, this goes back to january 6th because if you fail to renounce and denounce Political Violence in very clear and explicit terms, its going to come back to haunt you. So first they come for Vice President pence and nancy pelosi and the democrats. Then they come for liz cheney and they come for adam kinzinger, and then eventually, they come to you. Anybody who does not completely toe the line of the trump sycophantic maga right. Thats where we are now. There will be Death Threats, there will be intimidation, there will be political threats. There will be calls threatening violence to peoples homes, to their offices, if they dont toe the line. And of course, jordans forces want to now put the pedal to the metal and go forward again tomorrow, thinking this may be the point of maximum fear and intimidation, and they might not be able to recover whatever progress they have been able to make up over the last day. I understand that steve bannon has been exhorting his followers to turn up the heat in peoples district offices, in their d. C. Offices, and so on. But its giving more republicans a glimpse of the kind of intimidation and fear tactics that have been unleashed against anybody who stands in the way of donald trump and his preferred followers in congress. Im glad that you invoked january 6th. Rachel maddow was on with us last night. She had a very interesting take and theory on the purpose of all this and what it might be. Take a listen. Having Patrick Mchenry be named speaker without voting for him does not work in the american system of government. That is not a way out of this. So sometimes things go slow until they go fast. One of the things that has happened is that the Republican Party has effectively abolished half of congress. Rachel went on to say that maybe thats the point. That maybe the point is to have no speaker, to have effectively no government, to dismantle the government from within and essentially allow the government to close down, shut down in less than 30 days, and fail. What do you make of that . Well, it goes back to steve bannon, who said when the first trump nightmares began to sic themselves on the American People, were going to deconstruct the administrative state, going to deconstruct the deep state. What theyre really talking about is dismanting the constitution of the United States. Thats why at every turn were just trying to defend essential constitutional functions. We want to pay the bills of america and not default on our creditors. We want to keep the government open and running rather than shut the government down. We want to make sure that the winner of the president ial election actually gets to take Office Rather than the loser through a series of outrageous tricks and maneuvers and violence. So this is where we are. Donald trump and Vladimir Putin have set the stage for what were living through now, which is no fidelity to the constitution, no commitment to democracy, but rule or ruin, thats the dictum that inspires the extreme right in america. Theyre either going to rule over all of us or theyre going to ruin our opportunity to meet the needs of the people through government. Yeah, it is pretty frightening. While i have you here, since you were on the january 6th committee, give you an opportunity to comment on Sidney Powell pleading guilty to misdemeanors in the State Of Georgia. Your thoughts on that. Well, you know, there were so many criminal offenses that were committed at so many Different Levels at the state level, at the federal level, by a lot of the key participants in these events, that it doesnt surprise me that they will start to plead out in the hopes of escaping real justice and accountability in the process. So there are lots of crimes that are obvious at this point. Its very clear that what was attempted on january 6th was a political coup. And that political coup was backed up by a violent insurrection that drove the house and the senate out of our offices. But it had been taking place for many weeks. And at Different Levels. And i think that all of these offenses are coming to light. I feel proud of what we did on the january 6th select committee because even though we didnt have the power to prosecute anyone, we did have the power to tell the story, and its that story that set the factual predicate for the prosecutors to engage in prosecutions all over america now. Indeed. Congressman jamie raskin, thank you very much. We appreciate your time. And coming up, the latest on the incredibly dangerous and divisive conflict in the middle east. Ahead of President Bidens primetime Oval Office Address, which begins in about half an hour. Were back after this. E back af. Get it with gurus. Cargurus. Hows the chicken . The prawns are delicious. Oh, i have a shellfish allergy. One prawn. Very good. Did i say Chicken Wrong . Tired of people not listening to what you want . Its truffle season ah thats okay. Never enough truffles. How much are they . Its a lot. Oh okay im good, that its like a priceless piece of art. Enjoy. Or when they sell you what they want . Yeah. The more we understand you, the better we can help you. Thats what u. S. Bank is for. Huge relief. Yeah. In the next hour, President Biden will address the nation from the oval office on the Terrorist Attacks by hamas militants against israel, and russias war against ukraine. The remarks come as millions around the world are fearful and grieving over the horrific scenes coming from israel and gaza. And grappling with a debate that is deeply painful and polarizing. The humanitarian catastrophe in gaza is spiraling deeper into devastation, with food, water, and medical supplies almost gone. Israels military said hamas is holding at least 200 people hostage in gaza. Governments including our own are still piecing together what caused a massive explosion at a hospital in gaza on tuesday. Palestinians and israelis are blaming each other for the tragedy that has enflamed the region. Despite the fury escalating in the arab world over the hospital blast, a Ground Assault on the gaza strip is still likely in the coming days. Today, nbc news reported Israeli Defense minister told soldiers they will soon see gaza from the inside. Meanwhile, protests have erupted from coast to coast here in the u. S. , including the loud but peaceful rally on capitol hill wednesday by Hundreds Of Jewish protesters demanding a ceasefire. The fog of war is thick in what remains a horrific and deadly situation in gaza. Throw in rampant misinformation and The Search For Truth feels overwhelming. Soon, President Biden will step into this extremely complicated moment to send a message to the American People about how israel, gaza, and ukraine connect to our lives here. The stakes really couldnt be higher, as he grapples with deep divisions within his own party and in our country over what happens next. Joining me now from tel aviv is nbc Foreign Correspondent josh lederman, also joining me, ayman mohyeldin, host of ayman on msnbc. Give us the latest on the humanitarian situation in gaza and the preparations for what does seem likely to be a ground war there. Reporter this is a moment where we are really seeing two conflicting impulses and moves in this conflict. Because at the same time that were seeing some of the strongest signs from israel that that Ground Incursion could be imminent, were also seeing glimmers of hope that there could be at least some temporary improvement in terms of getting that humanitarian aid. Just as today we saw, as you mentioned, the Defense Minister meeting with israeli troops on the border telling them youre going to see gaza soon from the inside, we saw Prime Minister netanyahu, who also went down to the border with gaza to really kind of rile up the troops and give them a pep talk. He asked them, are you ready to go in . They replied very enthusiastically, were ready. Were going to be victorious. Israel has been amassing troops even in the last 24 hours, ready to pounce at any point in time. Yet at the same time, were also hearing that there could be a possibility that that long delayed reopening of the rafah Border Crossing with egypt could come tomorrow. In fact, the u. N. Secretarygeneral is now on the ground in egypt where he had a chance to meet with the president today, the secretarygeneral saying hes there to witness these preparations for getting that Border Opening reopened and theres some hope that maybe that could happen tomorrow, but the time is very narrow because the widespread assumption here on the ground, joy, is that once israel goes in with a fullon Ground Invasion of gaza, that is going to make it that much more difficult to get humanitarian aid flowing through any of the Border Crossings with gaza. Today, we saw a number of additional hospitals there have to seize activities, shut down because theyre simply out of fuel. Ayman, you have reported from gaza. You know this area very well. If we can put the map back up. As you describe t us what people will beacing if you have the israeli army marching in from the north, you can see the south is shut. And then they a surrounded by the mediterranean sea, which feet or few yards into the sea. W theresowhere for gazans to go. How does it look if theres a fullon Ground Invasion inside the gaza strip . Reporter well, we kind of got a glimpse of that back in 2008 and 2009. On the screen, the white line that divides the strip is where israel roughly divided the gaza they had a column of tanks move to the coast and divided the north from the south. It seems right now based on what the Israeli Military has t Palestinians In Gaza to do is move to the south, which means their focus perhaps is going to be othe north, but herein lies a little bit of the contradiction in the israeli statements for a few reasons. One, israel has been bombing the south, even though it has told millions of palestinians or at least a million palestinians to move to the south, air strikes are still taking place in areas where thousands of palestinians huddled and gathered thinking they were going to be safe for that time being. Ths a little bit of a disconnect there between what the israe military is telling palestinians to do and what the milita doing with its tions. The second part is t Israeli Military has been very clear about this. They believe has has been hiding in the civilian populations of gaza. When you tell the civilian population to move south, if you believe hamas is hiding within the civilian population, it also raises questions as to whether or not hamas is simply going to move with the civilian population to the south. There is the belief if israel does move into the northern part of the gaza strip and hamas has moved to the southern part, israel may not find what it is looking for, which is to destroy hamas or find leaders or figures theyre going to look for. If hamas stays in the northern part of the strip and israel goes on, its going to be a very challenging battlefield dynamic. Hamas is believed to have built a very sophisticated and complicated network of tunnels and many believe hamas, and hamas has been saying this publicly, they want the israelis to enter into this urban warfare where they believe theyll have a tactical advantage. So a lot of questions, and certainly not a lot of clarity as to what the objective of the military is, not because the israelis havent said theyre going to destroy hamas, but a lot of questions remain about what that actually looks like and what happens the day after. I know were out of time, but josh, theres also some reporting that the emphasis is more on destroying hamas than on finding the hostages. Is that accurate reporting . Well, certainly, the israelis would dispute that. They say theyre focused on both. Inherent in that is a lot of logistical questions about how you do that. Are those two goals mutually exclusive. Thats one of the real tragedies of this whole situation. There is an understanding, an acknowledgment within the Israeli Military establishment right now that if theyre going to carry out the mission that netanyahu and the Defense Sector here has outlined, that that is going to increase the likelihood that some if not all of these hostages are not going to be able to come home safely. Josh and ayman, thank you both very much. And when we come back, ill be joined by my colleagues chris hayes and jen psaki as we await President Bidens Oval Office Address which is scheduled to start in 20 minutes. H is schedu start in 20 minutes. But here i am. Being me. Keep being you. And ask your Healthcare Provider about the number one prescribed hiv treatment, biktarvy. Biktarvy is a complete, onepill, onceaday treatment used for hiv in many people whether youre 18 or 80. With one small pill, biktarvy fights hiv to help you get to undetectable and stay there whether youre just starting or replacing your current treatment. 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Get kardiamobile today for just 79 at kardia. Com or amazon. At the top of the hour, President Biden will deliver a rare Oval Office Address to the nation. Where hes expected to appeal directly to the American People to stand by israel in its war against hamas. And ukraine in its war against russia. While also making the case for billions of dollars in aid to both countries. It comes just one day after bidens trip to israel where he met with Prime Minister netanyahu and brokered a deal to deliver humanitarian support to gaza. It also comes as the president s response to the war has garnered mixed reaction at home. His handling of the conflict has been praised by centrist democrats and some republicans but has also received criticism from the more aggressive wing of his own including some members of congress. One official from his own state Department Even resigned in protest. Joining me now are two of my wonderful msnbc colleagues, chris hayes, host of all in, and jen psaki, hoh of inside with jen psaki. Hard to choose who to go to first, but im going to do ladies first because youre at the desk. Jen, what do we expect to hear from the president tonight . What do you think . Hes only given one other oval office primetime address, so this is a moment i think where theres a recognition within the white house and i have talked to some of them today, that he needs to explain to the American Public why they should care. Both about whats happening in israel on the ground, why theres need to help the israelis with more assistance and the palestinians with humanitarian assistance and also why its important to help ukraine. I think hes going to talk a lot about the consequences of an action. I know you have a lot going on in your lives, Everybody Listening right now and paying attention, but if we dont act, were letting the bad guys win. Expect it to be high level and really make kind of a big broad case to the public of why this but we are in the early stages of a president ial campaign, and joe biden is running for reelection. I dont know if this is the way that you are perceiving it, as sort of the circle of the worlds circle, but it seems to me that americans are consumed with domestic affairs, the price of rent, living, food, and the idea of giving money to ukraine, let alone now giving money to israel and putting more money into foreign conflicts, is not exactly popular. And so joe biden to me seems like he has a high hill to climb. What do you think . Well, i think there is some polling differences between those two conflicts. I think pulling in support of, this is an Attention Span issue, pulling for support of ukraine right after the invasion in terms of military and Financial Support was extremely high, and that has come down a bit. We see polling now for financial or military support for israel quite high. Again, that may or may not sustain, depending on what happens in the future. So i think more its a sort of, less of an Issue Problem and more of assailants. To your point, its not particularly ukraine right now. I do not think its front of mine concern. The freshness of what happened in Southern Israel and the sheer gruesome barbarity of the hamas slaughter, the brutal images coming out of gaza, now means this is front of mind. It will be interesting to see how he weaves those two together, actually. As a unified story to tell about these two specific conflicts, these two specific parties in these conflicts, and the support the u. S. Should give them as a political story about u. S. Interests and also when it is palatable to voters. This is an interesting thing to me, jen, the idea of combining these two stories. The risk in doing that is that joe biden has been praised, even by republicans, for his handling of the situation with israel and gaza. He has been praised for bringing nato together and his handling of ukraine is pretty universal. But the israel and gaza piece has drawn a lot more fraction, friction inside his own party. You had a tweet in which the close of it says, essentially my community will remember. She is palestinian american. She has family there. And there is a lot of anger from arab americans, from Muslim Americans, about the way that joe biden has handled the situation. He is not being universally praised among the democratic base. A lot of younger people, a lot of african americans, are not pleased with it. And they are seeing it in a frame that is similar to post 9 11 run up to iraq, in that frame, and also with a lot of empathy toward the palestinians. Which, for a lot of people he has not shown. Does grouping these two issues together help him or hurt him . Look, anyone who tells you that they are not thinking about politics and the white house every day is lying to you. Of course they do. But there are moments where you are the commander ofinchief or you cant make decisions. This is not an easy political issue. What he has to try to do tonight is not easy to weave together. We will all talk about it afterwards, which is to make clear to the israeli people, to the Jewish Population in the United States, who, this is their 9 11. The amount of pain. I have time to so many people and friends and Family Members who feel this is like the holocaust, that their parents, their grandparents have been through. While at the same time acknowledging and recognizing the real visceral fear that people who are in the Muslim American community feel about the threats, about what they are seeing happening in gaza. About the fact that people have nowhere to go, and this is a humanitarian crisis. He needs to address both of those things. Ukraine, in terms of weaving his together, part of this is that he has no other choice. We are at a moment, and my understanding its not going to be a congressional proposal tonight. But he needs to make a proposal to congress, you need to ask to now. Otherwise the bad guys are going to win. Thats going to be part of the theme. Thats a lot to do in 1 15minute speech. The three of us have been reporting on, look, theres a reason the conflict in israel and the Palestinian Territories is such a central conflict. It is the central conflict. Its almost cliche about when you talk about difficult things. We have all been covering this. We all know how difficult it is, particularly the rawness about the sheer violence and brutality that we have seen over the past week. Its exceedingly difficult. There is no easy political when. We should also say there is no easy geopolitical when. In the International Setting we just saw him go to the region and have the summit that he was going to have with Mahmoud Abbas and cc and jordanian officials canceled because of the aftermath of the explosion near the hospital in gaza, the origins of which remain unconfirmed as of now. So there is no easy audience in any direction in fact a domestic political audience might be the most important part. But there are huge audiences around the world domestically and internationally that are mutually exclusive. But the last thing ill say to jens point is thats whats being president is. Thats the job. I will say, i have been running a little parallel game in my head of, what will we be doing with if donald trump would be president right now . What would that look like when, like, being delicate and being thoughtful and having relations, all those things matter a tremendous amount of whatever decision to decide to make. And i think youre seeing some of the combination of that long experience that he has had in these conflicts and in these regions in the way that he has performed the duties of president. Absolutely. And its true. The majority factor, i think, is an important thing. Hes also invoked 9 11. And of course this is being called israels 9 11. But he also invoked it in the sense that we as the United States reacted in a way that, in looking back, a lot of people are not proud of. The invasion of iraq, the misuse of peoples rage in order to create a pretext for that invasion. As were looking at a potential ground war in the gaza strip, which will kill a lot of people, that is a packed community of already refugees, to you chris, first, how does he navigate that . Thats the thing that i think is, well, i have a sense of what is gonna say about ukraine and the hamas attack. A sense of what is gonna say about the humanitarian situation. That question is, to me, and when i am most looking for. John kirby, spokesperson for the National Security council, said something we can go, were not going to Backseat Drive how these really used to this. There was reporting about why or is going to state police not talk about the escalation. That was week one. We have seen a significant alteration of that language from the white house in week two in the run up to the president s appearance in the region, the 9 11 quote that you talked about, and what splitting of the difference are we gonna get here tonight to me is sort of the biggest open question that i dont know the answer to. But im gonna be looking for it. And for you, for the domestic political audience here, jan, the white house started out denouncing democratic members of congress in the statements that they put out, decried the loss of human life on both sides and called for deescalation. They were denounced by the white house. How does biden approach the fact that there were 500 Jewish Americans in the capital protesting and piece, literally yesterday. 300 of them were arrested. And Marjorie Greene was calling them the seditious, the truce edition. How does he navigate . That inside his own party there are people who dont feel the way he does. First, Marjorie Taylor greene will not be in the speech, we can all bet on that. Thankfully. I do think what we also should hear from the 9 11 quote, which is the most important thing he said in the last 24 hours, is also a concern about what is happening on the border with lebanon, which is, well, he is concerned about, they are concerned about in the white house. When he he is talking about reaction, hes talking about the israelis and what they are doing in gaza. Hes also talking about the impact on that globally, given there are a number of people, including republican candidates, we are calling for a war with iran. That is another component i think we could listen for in this speech. Last word, chris. This is also a handoff. This is my long handoff, i want to give the last word. To jens point, when the most pressing things, and ive talked to u. S. Officials and other seasoned diplomats over the past week, one of the most pressing things is this notion of regional conflagration. Other parties getting involved and things going and sparring from their. And part of the Tipping Point of that is whats going to happen in the next few days, and what the president has communicated privately to the israelis is to how they undertake. This i want to thank both of you, chris hayes, chance, aki wonderful to be with you here at the end of all things. If you dont know that quote, look it up, its a great movie. See you again after President Bidens address to the nation. But chris, i handed up to you. Ris, were watching washington d. C. As President Biden prepares to address the nation. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. I will be with my colleagues in washington