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By downloading duckduckgo on all your devices today. Good morning. Its Sunday March 10th and you are watching Velshi On Msnpc i am Charles Coleman jr. Filling in for velshi. We are ten days into march and its a hot momentous month. Major developments set the sustaining for the rest of the election season as campaigns made a pivot to the general election. Yesterday, we got a preview of whats to come as joel biden and donald trump prepare to faceoff in their rematch in november. Last night, both candidates held Campaign Events 06 miles from each other in georgia. Its important swing state biden and trump have won. Biden won last, by a narrow margin of 12,000 votes in 2020. His to stop in atlanta is part to reach out in voters in critical swing states that now that the ballot is effect ofly set. Aside from georgia, the president made the appearance in pennsylvania on friday. Vice president harris traveling to las vegas and phoenix where she spoke about the administrations support for Reproductive Rights. And during an exclusive interview with my friend and colleague yesterday, President Biden also spoke about why he believes the Supreme Court was wrong to overturn roe v. Wade. I think they made a wrong decision. I think they read the constitution wrong. I think they made a mistake. And i was being blunt and part of that remember, what they said was its up to the states to decide. Thats really what was said. Its no longers constitutional guaranteed principle. And they use a phrase that women isk vote and change and i found that somewhat insulting the idea they dont think they can. Women are speaking out. They spoke out in 2022 and spoke out in 2024 and this is whats going to happen. I was making clear women speak up this is going to change. And if you give me some if you give Mow A Congress thats democrat we will change it back to roe v. Wade. The fight for Reproductive Rights has been a winning issue for democrats and one that they hope is going to propel them to victory again this november. But this short primary season also, posed some of President Bidens vulnerabilities and michigans primary for example, there were 13 of democrats who casted votes for uncommitted in protest of bidens handling of israels war in gaza. Which remains deeply unpopular, especially among Younger Voters and progressives. All of those are going to be needed for a joe biden victory. It is a small but significant group, and they could be a factor in another Battle Ground state joe biden narrowly won in 2020. Polls show economy and immigration is the top issues. Republicans have been aggressively and negatively beating the drum on both of these issues already even though the economy continues to improve. And the gop itself has been reluckant to take any action on immigration. The stakes are extremely high. Democracy is on the ballot, but the big question that looms over this election is whether democrats will be able to bring their large and Diverse Coalition together in enough time to deliver a win for biden and end Trumps Campaign of retribution. Joining me now is the democratic congresswoman from california, barbara lee, and also with us is democratic congresswoman from texas, Jasmine Crockett thanks to you both for being with me this morning. Congresswoman lee, i want to start with you. This are a number of democratic women, they wore white to the state of the Union Address on thursday in support of womens rights. President biden has also nod to women electoral and political power recently. Can you talk about the womans vote and its movement is going to mean for 2024 in terms of who gets elected to the white house. Thanks a lot for having us this morning. First the womens vote is huge. So many of the issues that we have to deal with each and every day as it relates to our march towards full equality are issues that are impacting, especially young women now, for example, this is a first time a constitutional right has been taken away. And in fact, it was taken away as it relates to roe because donald trump appointed a Supreme Court justices who decided that women should not have right to make Health Care Decisions over their body. And so i believe that women are going to lead because so much of the impacts of donald trump in terms of negative impacts and trying to turn the clock back have affected women and specifically women of color and low income women and so this coalition that is put together, we are to the going back. This is about making sure young women, especially understand the relationship between election of donald trump and taking away our rights. And i think that you are going to see ground swell of women leading as you saw the other night on the floor of the House Of Representatives during the State Of The Union speech. Women from all backgrounds are banning together to make sure that we defeat donald trump and elect President Biden and Vice President harris. I know you are busy with delta days on the hill. Thank you for taking the time to come be with us on velshi. I want to ask you shall republicans seem to understand, at least. Theory, they are at disadvantage when it comes to issues like Reproductive Rights. And that may be one of the reasons why they chose senator britt to give the response to the State Of The Union. But as we talked about last hour shall it tonight seem like that was a smart choice if only for the difficult position it put her in. And talk about that response. I absolutely was thinking of that as you were talking to my colleague congresswoman lee. They are doing all the pandering they can do and thats why they chose a woman from alabama to give the rebuttal and the problem was, the republicans have never cared or thought about women if they did, then they would have known how tone deaf it was to put at woman in a kitchen and then have her senior colleague talk about how she is a housewife. I got news for him. Shes actually his colleague. And that tells you where their mind set is. He looks at her as a junior senator and sees is a housewife. He doesnt see a colleague. Thats who the republicans are. We will always be second class citizens to them and the fact that molly jongfast told you the fact that you know, these republicans when it comes to the votes, they are getting the white women. Wake up. Is all i got to say. I know that they want to tell you not to be woke. But i need you to be woke because honestly, ivf will have a disproportionate impact on those white suburban welltodo women and so maybe finally, they will understand that the democrat being party is the only party that is looking out for women as a whole. Whether you are struggling financially, or whether you are financially wealthy, we are the only ones that are looking out for you. I think thats a critical point. Because the Ivf Discussion is what takes notion of class and access out of Reproductive Rights more so than it had been. Previously in areas where you couldnt get an abortion, and could travel and have access to an abortion and if you outlaw ivf the money to get that and the money to participate, it is a very different conversation for people who are looking to start a family. Congresswoman lee, on the other side, there is this issue that is dogging the president particularly among young voters and progressive they are deeply unhappy regarding the war in gaza and people are suffering from famine, from largescale violence against people who are largely innocent and caught in the middle of this. President biden has addressed this with his red line with israel during his speech. Lets listen to what he has to say and i want your reaction on the other side. What is your red line with Prime Minister netanyahu . Do you have a red line for instance . Would invasion of rafah which you urged him not to do would that be a red line. It is a red line but i wont leave israel. Defense of israel is critical theres no red line i will cut off all weapons but if you cross this and cant have 30,000 more palestinians dead. Congresswoman lee, listening to that, it seems like the president may be talking out of both side of his mouth. He says i am never going to leave israel but i have a red line. Is there a way he successfully somehow tows the line and is able to attract young progressive voters who turned their backs on him because of this issue not hell nateing the people in america and electorate who are pro israel. I dont think its about appeasing voters. This is a very serious war teas taking place. Of course, the president , myself, we all have condemned the hamas attacks. We all have talked about israel not having to be living in a neighborhood where they are vulnerable to terrorism. And in fact, the path to peace and security for palestinians and israelis is not through killing 30,000 plus civilians. I have early on called for a permanent ceasefire. Whats taking place is counter productive to israels security. And in fact, if we are going to pipe and raise our voices to bring the hostages home and to stop the catastrophic humanitarian disaster thats taking place, then we have, and the public, and think people are speaking out. Because young people especially, and people in states want this democracy to work, but also who want to so a political and diplomatic path to a cease fire. Finally i will say what is taking place is escalating to a regional war. And you may remember, charles, i said after 9 11 it would escalate Out Of Control and thats why i was the only one who voted agains the authorization to use force after the horrific events of 9 11. It did escalate Out Of Control. The president admited that. We have to get to a permanent ceasefire and i think the president and Human Tear Catastrophe got to get aid but cant send aid in while at the same time you are going to continue to support the killing of civilians. Think the public has got to keep raising our voices and keep asking the president saying to the president , we must stop the catastrophic disaster thats taking place because it definitely, and we know this, it is counter productive to Israel Security and twostate solution which of course netanyahu does not support which is the policy of the United States. Congresswoman lee, is there a jump off point a split i am never leaving israel and we need a ceasefire and i am in favor of a twostate solution which Prime Minister netanyahu is not in favor of of. Is there reconciliation for the positions to exist together. I think what the United States and Bidenharris Administration needs to be very firm in terms of using our leverage. The United States is very influential in the region. I am the Ranking Member of the committee when we were in the majority, i was the chair of the committee of approachs that funds global development, humanitarian and i know the region and met with king of jordan and theres peace plan they are trying to put together. I believe the president has got to use the leverage of the United States and say this has got to stop and yes, we support Israel Security. Everyone talking about cease fire is not talking about leaving israel vulnerable to terrorists attacks, but the president said there are way to prosecute award and address terrorism and dismantle and disrupt a Terrorism Organization without killing some civilians and so many people in our country have relatives. I know someone with over 100 relatives killed civilians cant be Collateral Damage in a war to address dismantling of a terrorist organization. Thank you to you both congresswoman barbara lee, democrat of california and representative Jasmine Crockett you have fun with delta days on the hill but dont do too much. Still ahead, we are going to talk about some republican led State Legislators that are using a new playbook, one that underminds voters in their state. And then how the Supreme Court handling of Donald Trumps legal issues could put a core tenet of democracy at risk the peaceful transfer of power but how joe biden is making his feelings about Benjamin Netanyahu very clear. We are going to have more about Jonathan Capeharts exclusive interview with the president. Stay tuned for more velshi after the break. More velshi after the break. Na feys i could. So i hired body doubles. 30,000 followers tina in a boutique hotel. Or 30,000 steps tina in a mountain cabin. Ooh booking. Com booking. Yeah avo kate made progress with her Mental Health. 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Com today to learn more. Turning to the israelgaza war and during a wide ranging new interview conducted by my msnpc colleague Jonathan Capehart President Biden made clear views on Benjamin Netanyahu and future of the fighting. He has right to depend israel. A right to continue to pursue hamas. But he must, he must, he must pay more attention to the innocent lives being lost as a consequence of the actions taken. Hes hurting in my view, hes hurting israel more than helping its contrary for what israel stands for he think its a mistack i want to see a cease fire and i am starting with a Major Exchange of prisoners for six woke period and going into ramadan and we should build off the ceasefire. Joining me now london is nbc news matt bradley. President biden is expressing confidence in a ceasefire while expressing his discontent with israels netanyahu. You have been someone who reported extensively from the region. What are you hearing on a progress of a deal and cha ceasefire come by ramadan or soon after . Yeah, i mean ramadan is supposed to start tomorrow and much of the world, especially in the most and thats the expectation. So it looks unlikely barring a miracle we will see a deal that hasnt happened for the past several months since november. They would happen in the next several hours. That seems unlikely and President Biden said as much. He doesnt think it is going to happen before ramadan begins. Now, whether or not it could happen a couple days after ramadan begins or sometime during month of ramadan, that kind of is unclear, too, because, again, we have been talking about this for months and months. Its long delayed. Theres lots of issues keeping the deal from coming together. This was a deal successful for a week all the way back in november. But among those issues, that are keeping this deal from coming together, the main ones are still the same. And have not changed ever since that last deal in november. That being, hamas is insisting they want toa full and permanent ceasefire and withdrawal of israeli troops. Israelis say thats a nonstarter and called the demands dilutional. So this doesnt seem like the kind of thing that has the groundwork being laid for a possible deal that can come in the next couple of days. And that is a risk, because as you mentioned, ramadan was the deadline. And everybody wanted to see the deal come before ram done not just to allow people in the gaza strip to try to enjoy whats left of the holiday but because ramadan historically, has been among the where we have seen lot of additional Political Violence and hamas leaders told the wall street journal a story publish today, that there could be more violence in the west bank and especially in jerusalem over the month of ramadan but theres another deadline and thats israel says they are planning onsaiding that Southern Gaza city of rough afah where 1. 5 million palestinians are taking refuge. They were told to go there by the israelis. And thats where they said would be the safe spot now Benjamin Netanyahu says they plan to attack and might do so sometime during the holy month that could lead to humanitarian catastrophe. Charles. That was npc matt bradley in nbc matt bratly. The power of the court. How decisions made by the Supreme Court this year can either help uphold democracy or help the man and the movement that are trying to push us closer to a to being say. I am Charles Coleman jr. And velshi will be right back on msnbc. Be right back on msnbc. Heres to Getting Better with age. Heres to beating these two every thursday. Help fuel today with boost high protein, complete nutrition you need. Without the stuff you dont. So, heres to now. Boost. With nurtec odt, i can treat a migraine when it strikes and prevent Migraine Attacks, all in one. Dont take if allergic to nurtec. Allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. Most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. Ask about nurtec odt. Welcome back. You are watching velshi and i am Charles Coleman jr. In for ali. The Supreme Court often weighs in on the electoral process and settled questions and issues like Voting Rights and gerrymandering but its exceedingly rare for them to be directly involved in settling a specific contest. But thats what happened back in 2000 when the Supreme Court waded into the bush v gore recount controversy. Remember that . And at best, hanging chads, triggered a mechanical error at worst, Republicans Sincally exploited it to oppose a manual recount of floridas votes. But throughout the dispute, there was never any doubt that both sides were going to accept the ultimate outcome and ensure that our democracy would remain intact. Today, as Supreme Court wades into the president ial election, once again, circumstances are very different. Now, the court is controlled by a 6 Seat Conservative Super Majority half of whom appointed by one of the two candidates donald trump, and a man who stands accused of trying to steal the last election, and whosighted a violent mob to storm the capitol three years ago while the entire nation watched. And in this environment, two moves by the Supreme Court could signal danger for the future of american democracy. First, the courts decision to keep trump on the ballot risk normalizing rejection of results and thats a court aspect of democratic governance and the decision to entertain the absurd argument of absolute president ial immunity, not only normalizes that bit of legal absurdity but delays the trials where trump be could be held accountable and which we all know he is going to squash absolutely 100 if he manages to win back the presidency in the meantime. For more on this i am joined by Ruth An Expert or author terrorism and she tracks threats to degree mock say and author of strongmen. I am so glad to talk to you about this. Because you are such an expert and i want to get as much as i can to help people understand exactly where we are. We look back at 2000, where you had bush v gore and it was a controversial you know decision, and space for us to be in. And there are some similarities, but the difference as i see it, was that the court, you know, in terms of its responsiveness to extremists who threaten the democratic process, they laid out, you know, in the constitution what it was they were and werent supposed to do and people respected that. Do you see this as being similar to 2000 or as markedly different and worlds apart . We are in completely different environment, and i am glad you are doing a zoom out because The Big Picture is we have never seen, we have never seen such a Massive Attempt To Delegitimize Constitution Including Congress Assaulted by a mob sending members of Congress Running for their lives. And the courts. And this is and the press of course. So, having people lose faith in the working of democratic institutions, election above all, trump worked very hard for many years now to discredit elections. So, this is the bigger picture, and the Supreme Court has not been unaffected in this. Because we can take example of Justice Thomas who should have recused himself from the decision about keeping trump on the ballot, but because his wife actively was involved plotting to overthrow the government, and his refusal to recuse was more of this showing contempt and scorn for democratic negotiations of conflict of interest, accountability, and democratic norms of justice. So, the court has not been unaffected by the general degradation of democracy that we are living through now. You know, ruth, with respect to the 14th Amendment Case in the removal of donald trump from the colorado ballot, he was one who said early on i did not expect that the Supreme Court was going to remove him, and you know, i am not always glad to be proven right, but i was right. That being said, a lot of red states filed briefs basically saying, look, if you say that colorado can kick donald trump off the ballot, then republicans in other states and red led states have the right or are going to have the right to kick off the ballot who we want to kick off, do you think that at any point that factored into the Supreme Courts decision . And they may have caved at least in some small part, to these threats from gops . Perhaps. Not being privy to their discussions its hard to say. But its very, very important that we have i personally cosigned a brief submitted to the Supreme Court with five other democracy scholars arguing that january 6th putting january 6th in perspective of other interruptions of peaceful transfer of power, the message being that you know the lessons of history that you have to take a principled and Tee Descience Principle of democracy. P you cant wait until someone comes into office and think you can take care of them especially if they promise to be dictator and it was an issue inciting a violent insurrection. Its too late and game over. And so this is a general kind of just a general kind of unresponsiveness to the democratic emergency that we have coupled with the Super Majority which is the work of we talk a lot about trump, but this is the work of lenard leo and Federalist Society and many people worked very hard for years to capture all the courts because Capturing Judiciary [inaudible] is aso there are Larger Forces that come into this decision even though we dont know exactly what swayed the cord. We appreciate court. Thanks for joining us. Lori anderson speak sylvia las and margaret the hand maids tale and many more. These are not just stories written by women but works of literature that explore and dismantle outdated negotiation what it is to be a woman. We will visit Favorite Book club members with the women authors. Stay tuned. H the women authors. Stay tuned. Hm . You your Business Bank account with quickbooks money, now earns 5 apy. 5 apy . 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Each of their books feature a examination of womanhood and the books are being targeted for ban. From contemporary classics to the hand maids tale they are being torn out of the hands of readers, many whom node the most. Here are a few moments from Selshi Book Cluck Mums exploring what it means to a woman in america today. The real question is does this stage own your body . Lucy is kind of a character who chooses to wait. And she chose to wait because she felt the guy she was with was not the right guy and not the right time. Sam, as we find out later in the book, none of this is on the page, kind of decides this is the right guy and it is the right time for her and makes all of the right choices. That she should. With the help of her older sister who is right allot and have knowledgeable friends who helps sam out in the department. She will be able to consent safely, and follow through with her actions without getting hurt which is really important. Its important that people have a lucy in their life. But lucys choices are her own and thats whats so important everybody has a choice. Much of the book is spent, you know, all of the book is told from the Point Of View and so, throughout the entire book she is trying to figure out what it means to be a mother, because unfortunately, as you mentioned earlier, she doesnt have any models for it. Right. So she has to look for model of motherhood in the unlikely places. One of the one of the models that she looks to is she looks to china, right . She also looks to the myth of madea and near the end of the book, she realizes like she begins to look at the hurricane which is Hurricane Katrina as sort of a model of a type of mother. In this country, we are so good at using sex to sell products. We know how prevalent pornography is. But we never have been able to find the way to have a responsible conversation about basic human sexuality, about consent based sec out. Young women who were being abused by their parents or whatever, they werent allowed to say anything. Books open avenues. They open the idea of communication and dialogue and the things. This is how we change the bad things. This is how we make Society Better is by opening the doors to conversation and information. Ignorance is not a weapon. I say that all the time. Knowledge is the weapon. Knowledge is the weapon. You can catch more of these authors and these important conversations about literature every weekend on the velshi ban book club. Still ahead, republican led State Legislature are targeting propressive prosecutors. Anyone who voted in state or local election needs to hear the next story and as a former prosecutor i am super excited about it. I am Charles Coleman jr. In for velshi and thats up next after short break. Up next after short break. Bladder leak underwear has one job. I just want to feel protected especially for those sudden gush moments. 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Many aspects of how we address crime like policing and prosecution, they fall right under the purview of local governments. And republicans are taking issue with how some of the large municipalities across the country enforce and prosecute their laws. See, big cities tend to vote for democrats and for more progressive reforms when it comes to Criminal Justice. Even in red states, often times we talk about place was higher percentages of black and brown voters. Surprise, surprise. In spite of the fact that these voters elected progressive reform mind prosecutors republican led State Legislators are doing everything they can to oust undermine and disempower them and overrule local laws. Lets look at florida for example. In 2020, monique ran on a progressive platform to be the State Attorney for floridas 9th Jaou Diction Circuit Court and ran with a plan i will not prosecute low level marijuana offenses and would seek out alternatives to prison for first time nonviolent offenders. And, she promised to reform the juvenile Justice System. She won her race with more than 2 3 of the vote. But if you recall, if you are a long time velshi watcher, last year in August Ron Desantis suspend her from the post and she talked about it. Lets listen. Refusing to faithfully enforce the law puts community in danger and victimizes innocent nor riddians. . N response show said under theen to tierney Elected Officials can be removed for political purpose and by a whim of the governar and no matter how you feel about meow should not be okay about that. We talked to her shortly after the suspension when she talked about how this disenfranchised the voters in her district in florida and voters of the 9th; overwhelmingly elected a person with a progress of approach to Criminal Justice. And ron desantis subverted the will of the people by appointing a prosecute that was not elebed but no one wanted. Another example of this, out of mississippi, last year, the all white republican Super Majority in the house voted to create a separate court system and expanded police within the city of jackson. Jackson, mississippi, has the highest percentage of black people of any city in america. And which as a city, had elected a civil rights attorney as a da. So, think about that for moment. Biggest black city in the country, elects a former civil rights attorney as its da presumably to bring reform and then the republican led statehouse does something entirely different. Its not just florida its not just mississippi, its not just tennessee. There are at least 17 states that have attempted to strip power from progressive prosecutors and undermine the voters who actually elected them including republican controlled State Legislatures in missouri, and ohio, and pennsylvania and in texas. All of this is coming right on the heels of 2024 election where the national gop continued to play up the narrative of crime ridden democratic led cities while pushing tough on crime policies. After a quick break, we will dig into this even more with Tennessee State representative justin jones and retired Montgomery County Police Captain sonja pruitt. Stay tuned for more velshi after this. Stay tuned for morei after this. In surance commercial, another aquaaerobics scene. Yup. Most Health Insurance companies see us all the same smiley seniors golfing, hiking. Dont forget antiquing. Thats why i chose humana. They see me, not a stereotypical senior. Im prediabetic, so i talked oneonone with a Humana Health educator who really helped me. Now im taking free cooking and meditation classes. Not aquaaerobics . Better care begins with listening. Humana. A more human way to healthcare. With nurtec odt, i can treat a migraine when it strikes and prevent Migraine Attacks, all in one. 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Captain pruitt, i will start with you because i am biased lets talk Criminal Justice reform. We know that the criminal Justice System has long racist history that leads to disproportionate policing and prosecution of people of color tuckly black people. I want to talk about black people. Why is reform so impactful particularly for Black Communities who dont Want To Overpoliced but still want to be safe . What a great question. You know, we have been disenfranchised since time untold. But i am going go back to reconstruction at the end of reconstruction, when we started really flexing our political muscle, and wanting the right to vote and fighting for our civil rights. And then all of a sudden, someone said we have to put together a playbook to make sure these oppressed people continue to be oppressed. Right. And so every since then, what with the war on crime, with what we are facing right now with this erational fear of black people and under valued people, right, since then, this playbook has been used. The police have been weaponized to or systems and we are the same place 50 maybe 100 years ago. I listened to you talk about the vote. And how important it is. Not only is Police Reform important through our ability to vote, but when you use the police to marginalize people, some people are just not going to show up to the polls. Representative jones, its always good to talk to you appreciate you being here. I want to talk to you about this new legislation that is in introduced in tennessee. Can you just speak to the notion that at least on its surface, it does appear that it would potentially dilute or be used to dilute the effectiveness of black votes in the state of tennessee with respect to who they want as their local prosecutor or are we looking at this the wrong way . No, thats precisely it. This legislation is unconstitutional. You know, its about trying to establish this system of Overseeers Majority Black Communities here in tennessee. Its about bringing us back to darker days in the history. And lets be clear power the das prosecute cases doesnt come from the State Government but the people of the district who elect prosecutors every eight years in tennessee. And this is an attempt to show the gop is once again the government overreach party and any time their feelings are hurt they try to subvert the will of local communities particularly black and brown and its about bringing us back in history. Thats what it is about. Representative jones, i want to stay with you, because there is a push back i want you to respond to. Lets look at the cases of Briana Taylor and and aubrey local prosecutors were hesitant to charge officers and move forward. Could legislation like this be offered to say hey, in a case like this, we would be able to from another District Charge someone from a different jurisdiction and thats why you should be in support of this legislation. What do you say to that sort of push back . I would say that is not the root of what this is about. This legislation is about saying that if a da doesnt prosecute a case, that any type of Surrounding Da can just step in and without being invited or requested and intervene in a community they dont live in, and it will probably be a white da from a majority almost entire white county coming to Majority Black Urban Districts and it sounds like slave patrols. Sounds like vigilanteism and sound like jim crow. This is what this sounds like. And it is about say you dont know what you are talking. In tennessee one in five black men cant vote because of felony disenfranchisement. That was not enough now they say even if you do vote we shall dont care what you say. We are going to tell you what what you need to do and whats best and tell you who was a criminal and who is not. I want to say republicans lets talk about the gun laws make eat easy for criminals to own guns and the person at top of the president ial ticket and 91 counts and they dont need the bill they need a mirror. Representative jones what you said about the negotiation of people not from the communities and not elected by the communities making decisions about Law Enforcement in the communities is a very poignant one and something that people need to Pay Attention to. Captain pruitt, there is a very interesting dichotomy i think is going to take center stage or at least come close to center stage as we get toward the general election, and thats crime in america. Crime in Urban America. Is there a way realistically speaking, that we address this negotiation of copaganda and just crime in Urban America and other places. Some of them being red states. Lets be very clear. While also addressing Police Reform at the same time in terms of being more progressive as to how we look at solving the problem of crime because a lot of people are right now looking at it as either or. Oh, no i dont think its an either or. But look, theres this notion that somehow on the right, theres a notion that we can do things like hire more police officers, push money no Police Departments for the specialized units. Like the Scorpion Unit in memphis so we can then police our hot spots and hot spots are always the places where black people Latino Latinx people, other undervalued demographics live, right. Theres this notion, but where is the commitment . We saw that the George Floyd Justice and policing act didnt pass. Let me say this, you may hire more police officers, but thats not going to lower the crime rate. What lowers the crime rate is having your citizen participating in the process of making sure the police are doing what they should. Making sure that theres no misconduct. I think it was in tennessee where the Police Accountability board was somehow disband and powers taken away. We need the people to work within the system, criminal Justice System with our das and states attorneys and police and whole court system, in order to make Police Reform happen. But if the people are pushed away and pushed to the side, how can they possibly participate in this process . And i feel like i dont feel like i know this is intentional. Thats what we are talking about today. So much going on across the country with row expect to state and local politics. Representative jones as an hbcu alum i got to ask you to make sure you keep your eye on everything going on at tsu in your home state. Keep the pressure on there. And captain pruitt, thanks for being here with your words as well. That was Tennessee State representative justin jones and sonia pruitt. Thanks so much. That is going to do it for me. 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