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President. Im alex wagner here with my colleague, chris hayes, who was in the courtroom today, as former Trump Attorney and fixer, Michael Cohen took the stand for a second day in a row. Today the defense began its crossexamination, which did not start off that well. Here is Trump Attorney todd blanche. Mr. Cohen, my name is todd blanche. You and i have never spoken or met before have we . Michael cohen, we have not. Mr. Blanche, but you know who i am, dont you . Cohen, i do. Mr. Blanche, as a matter of fact, you went on tiktok and called me a crying little this is a euphemism here poop didnt you . Cohen, thats probably something i would say. Judge merchan called lawyers to a sidebar, the official Court Transcript tells us what went down. Here is the court. Judge mershon, why are you making us about yourself mark easter blanche, im not making this about myself your honor, i have a right to show this witnesss bias, and he has expressed bias about the lawyers, just on who he represents. The court, it doesnt matter if he has bias towards you, it doesnt matter. The issue is whether he has bias toward the defendant. Dont make it about yourself. Im going to sustain the objection and instruct the jury, please dont make it about yourself through the crossexamination did not get much better from there. During roughly two hours of questioning, Trump Attorney todd blanche painted for the jury several conflicting profiles of Michael Cohen, and why he was testifying against donald trump. There was Michael Cohen, the unreliable narrator, who would lie about anything. Then there was Michael Cohen the jolted surrogate son, trying to get back at his father figure. There was also Michael Cohen the disparate prisoner, who would say anything to get out of jail, and then there was Michael Cohen, the greedy self promoter, trying to cash in on trying to turn on trump. What we did not get from the defense however, was a coherent narrative that explained why the jury should believe that donald trump is not guilty. I was stunned by the lack of effort put towards actually dismantling a legal argument about potential felonies. Yeah, and it did move around a tremendous amount. It had conflicting theories, which, if you are trying to rough him up okay fine. But, there was one point where they spent all this time, i mean, a lot of time on the fact that Michael Cohen keeps talking about the case, even though everyone involved in the case, the Prosecutors Office is like for the love of god, Michael Cohen, stfu. Right. They were trying to say look , this guy was not listening, he goes rogue and does his own thing. I guess. [ laughter ] doesnt work for the das office. Its not the relationship with the das office that you have with donald trump paying off a pornstar just because he is a rogue operator. Exactly. May build something, but this is a guy who does his own thing, and you cannot tell him what to do. It never went anywhere. Theres a lot of increase that felt like it started but never culminated. That was my feeling just sitting watching in real time, where i would even be they would get me, the rhythm where you are asking questions, and cohen is saying yes, boomboom, like okay. We are going places. Then it is like it would sputter out, and they would move to another topic. There were moments where he felt squarely. There was never any really satisfying narrative catharsis, in which i felt like hes caught in a lie, or he is oh, well, i hadnt thought of it that way. There was no lightbulb. Two of the people on the set i am sure have a lot of thoughts about the defense. Msnbc chief legal correspondent, ari melber, and katie feng of the katie feng show. From a legal perspective, guys, at some. Does the defense not need to address this idea that yes there was records manipulation, and the Step Up Charge to get this to a felony, campaignfinance violation of some sort. That was never, in the actual criminal charges at the heart of this. We are not seeing that addressed by the defense team during this crossexamination. Cohen is the witness, who they can go out on that. I think they are doing cross on him, and when its their turn they decide whether they will put up their case or not. It can say the prosecutors can prove it. Today, it was about showing the jury what they think are the worst of Michael Cohen. I dont think they had him knock out, i dont think they had a knockout blow, but i think they got a few more blows and jabs in there than against daniels, or pecker. If you compare it to how this trial has been going, and i was in there this afternoon, so i was watching the jury, it looked like a tennis match, between cohen and blanche. Its true, there was never a knockout. But what i kind of observed, it is if you are looking at jurors who were riveted, and then you see, blanche says but you wrote in your book you are obsessed with trump. He says oh, maybe i said that. And then he says oh, you are monetizing this . Youve lied to investigators before . It wasnt a great picture, though i dont think it dissolved everything he said. That, before i go to katie, that point is important. I think for me, and i know a lot about Michael Cohen. Its like if you tell me Michael Cohen has made millions of dollars off of an antitrump book, its like of course. He is selling antitrump merch. Thats making sense. To the jury, it may be like oh, hes grinding an ax. Birds of a feather, right . Thats very much the theme over the past two days. Giraffes mary giraffes, theres a reason why donald trump used Michael Cohen. Are you baffled by that one . Just processing it. But, theres a reason why donald trump loved using Michael Cohen. Because he was effective for what Michael Cohen needed to do for donald trump, and thats the reason why he jettisoned him when he went to the white house, because he no longer could use Michael Cohen in the capacity. But, when it comes to Cross Examination, its not direct. You wont necessarily have a throughline, nor are you necessarily going to have a Chronology Being followed, per se. You will want to hit specific areas, but what was so odd about blanche today is you got so disjointed following it that you didnt understand that the zingers were hitting, to aris point. We talked about the low information juror, you dont have the breadth of information as we do as we live in this space you are taking it in but not understanding the importance of it but, simultaneously, because the trump has a larger than life presence, trump is the ultimate selling merch grifter. So, its not like youre appalled when you hear somebody has successfully taken that model and is taking money. Are you supposed to begrudge Michael Cohen, because hes been disbarred, because he went to prison, that hes making money off of it . They are all doing it. Youre never going to get a clean person at this. Everybody has dirty hands. To that point, ari, they built scaffolding around Michael Cohen before they brought him out. We began with david pecker, Stormy Daniels, witnesses corroborating the fact that Michael Cohen he is the last witness we are told, from the prosecution. I think that is smart and made sense, but my observation is also, today is a reminder of why they saved him for last. Yeah. They had a sense as the questions gestured towards how unreliable he is. He was basically defying their requests. That doesnt mean he is lying, but it certainly leaves the jury saying, well, even now at the trial in the last few weeks the questions suggest he wouldnt follow the rules. And, again im not saying it breaks the case but, if one or more jurors think i have reasonable doubt as to this guy who doesnt have enough respect for the system and the rules, maybe hes playing with the timeline. Maybe he is playing with his accounting of trumps intent, because again, the records case has been established. It is what we call documented, signed checks by donald trump. But, the intent has to be that trump had the Criminal Intent to do it then, not as Reimbursement Afterword or some later date, and cohen is key to that. If you want your jury to believe beyond reasonable doubt that trump did it for the campaign, and that trump had that requisite Criminal Intent, which trump didnt write down, you need cohen or someone else to get you there. How meaningful is it Allen Weisselberg wont testify in this . Trump is the only the person of that potential and hes not going to take the stand, so the evidence stands. To aris point what the jury did today, though, if Michael Cohen gets a Search Warrant executed on his home, and stuff gets taken from his home and law firm, right . Why are you scrambling if you are trump to make sure that Michael Cohen, its okay, im going to take care of you, and then you look at costello, sleep well tonight, because you have friends in high places, why are you trying so hard to protect Michael Cohen, unless he is a critical part of a conspiracy, or something youve done wrong, you want to keep him quiet and keep him close, because you want to know if hes going to flip, and the jury heard that. One thing that also, to your point about the Criminal Intent, which is that this underlying crime is this intent to commit essentially an election crime there have been a few moments from this trial where, the presence of that is in the ether as people are discussing it. David pecker, i thought that testimony said it for all lawyer waiving the off of this deal precisely because we thought we were going to follow. Testimony from cohen communicating, i believe communicating with trump about what he was telling the fec, like we have this complaint donald trump had nothing to do with it, right . Then trump says, thats good. Exactly, he says thats good. Again, that is Michael Cohens testimony. You have to believe cohen is telling the truth and not just doing it, because , but again, there is this consciousness of guilt sort of that lit up. I think theyve done a good job showing the consciousness across the other witnesses. Anything they have, a document and two witnesses on, is pretty sturdy. Yeah. And you imagine, we dont always know, but where one juror says yeah, i dont know if i believe cohen, and theyve been following this, but remember that pecker said that, and later they will request the transcript. So again, it goes back to today and thursday, and they said we have no witnesses left, so we are in it. Does it add enough questions that one or mergers has that doubt that they cant get over a reasonable doubt as to this because of an element of the crime, like a checklist, you know . The intent that relies on him. That relies on his account. They asked questions where they said, you have such a good memory about what allegedly happened, but now you cant remember what happened last year. Thats pretty standard. But, again i am yawning. Like thats i think you were yawning to that question that weve heard before. We will regroup at tables like this pretty soon. And, if we have a hung jury, this is probably, i dont think its because they borderline harassed Stormy Daniels on the stand, i dont think its because david pecker says he still likes trump because of Michael Cohen. Okay. We will try and travel into the future. Katie and ari, thank you. 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Austedo xr the line to get into the courtroom today started forming last night. People camped out with Sleeping Bags and pillows. One woman told the New York Times she paid 750 for someone to hold a space in line for her. Another man reportedly sold his spot in line for 2000. But, as much as it seats inside the courtroom or the hottest ticket in town, The Real Circus Today was outside the courtroom , where first republican Speaker Of The House, mike johnson, and a gaggle of trump s Vice President ial hopefuls all held press conferences, defending trump, attacking the trial, and counterprogramming what was going on inside that courtroom. Michelle goldberg opinion columnist and New York Times, and andrew rice, with new york magazine, michelle, and andrew, thank you for joining us as we dissect what happens. Your thoughts on the group text as they coordinated their outfits . [ laughter ] they must have been disappointed that trump had a yellow tie. They got the wrong message. I mean, the thing i was glad that they were all in the courtroom today, i mean, i wonder if at any point they had a flicker of recognition that this was a trial, a day in the trial, that was all about what excessive loyalty donald trump gets you. A sense of irony . I dont know if some of them are capable of it, but there was a point at the very end of his testimony, when Michael Cohen talked about his regrets, and how he had, out of loyalty to donald trump he had betrayed his own moral compass, and at great cost to himself and his family, and i wonder if there was even a flicker and Mike Johnsons mind about what he was doing at that very moment. I dont know. I dont know if anybody knows the answer, including mike johnson. Andrew, i was struck by the fact , that these individuals showed up today, because in trumps mind, this is all politics. This is auditioning, this is about how he can milk this for damping contributions. This is what it does for his standing, and you write, before coming into court, in the morning, yesterday, trump waived the times story with this poll showing him being ahead, saying it shows us leading everywhere by a lot. Let the star witness testified, trump seemed to be testifying, that hes winning. I doubt it. The, i think the interesting thing thats going on in the courtroom, as you see these people, as you say, coming in to pay homage to trump sitting quietly and listening to this incredible damning testimony and drawing conclusions that are may be different from of the jury is drawing. But, the most interesting thing about mike johnson, you know, he didnt even come into the courtroom. He was in there for minute and came out and decried the witchhunt that was going on inside. He didnt get there. He didnt check his cell phone. Theres another aspect to this, which, i found it both focus and pathetic in equal measure, but theres another aspect to this, which is donald trump has a gag order, that prohibits him from making certain statements. He wants to still make those statements, so hes getting other people, who are not subject to the gag order, to come and make those statements. And it is like im not touching you, im not touching you, it really is that, every day, because they come out and say things that are obviously im not saying, like, copying and pasting directly, but people know what donald trump wants to hear. They echo the lines of attack that are things that he cannot say. And specifically lines of attack directed at the judges daughter, which is a hobbyhorse of Donald Trumps we have a little bit of sound, lets play it. The judge inside, his daughter is making millions of dollars running against donald trump, raising money for Donald Trump Office political opponents. You have relatives of the judge who are benefiting financially. Expect the only thing being done is by this judge, his daughter is making money, raising money for democrats . The real book keeping we need accountant of is judge merchans on Family Member collecting millions of dollars as a democratic operative. The judges own daughter is making millions of dollars doing Online Fundraising for democrats. They are using this trial as a hook, its so corrupt, and everyone knows it. Mike, vivek, you got the note about the judges daughter they are even trying to hide what they are doing. Looking over trumps shoulder, and hes reading the quotes that these individuals, and going through and making notations with a pin on the paper while testimony was going on, while Michael Cohen was testifying against him, he was going through and annotating and editing the quotes that these people were giving. In addition to being humiliatingly transparent, theres a question about whether this is legal. Part of the gag order is you cannot direct others to violate the gag order, which is clearly what is happening here. Right, it is like he gets hit for retweeting, so he gets people to come in and read the tweets. Reading the retweets, thats it. They were saying i am here to help, i am breaking the gag order, i am trying to get around the gag order. And, i dont know if there is even a body of law that addresses this, because it seems so outside the norm. I am no legal expert but its difficult to prove, and also, like, what leverage does judge merchan have over byron, donalds, and vivek ramaswamy. But perhaps they would be less trepidations about breaking the law. I think there is a sort of testing the limit ethos that has taken over. But, interestingly, they said the same thing, like he was a friend. And was interesting about that is he doesnt have friends, because his friends, vivek ramaswamy, but think about, put yourself in the position you find your self. You are facing criminal trial in a new york court. Like, i would hope i would have support. It would be a vulnerable moment, and it would mean a lot to have my actual friends and family. He does not have that there. By and large there has not been family, and i dont think the man has friends in the way we understand it. So, instead, this weird friendship is being provided by vanquished primary contestants boy, did i miss the voice of vivek ramaswamy. Theres the legal audience, and to some degree, there is the right wing echo chamber. And i wonder, michelle, the utility of having this parade of contestants show up and say the same thing about the judge and his daughter being corrupt and the jury, at one point tubberville said presumable citizens. Just throw in illegal immigration to stoke the fire of the base regardless of the fact its not based in fact the repetition over and over again has come up in the past. If he gets a guilty verdict, to invalidated in the minds of his followers and maybe the people who told pollsters if he was convicted of a felony, its a way to neutralize that, and maybe even turn it into an advantage among people, who either like trumps gangster persona, or seeing him as a martyr for their grievances. In the meantime, the guys that auditioned today, enter, did any of them strike you as more effective . Within the courtroom, none of them struck me as anything, because they were really just potted plants playing on their phone, live tweeting while it was going on. But, really, its a kind of ultimate show of loyalty during this boring testimony about checks and so on, and to spend your entire day doing that, and then deliver a speech, with the exception of vivek ramaswamy, these are all elected officeholders who presumably have Better Things they could be doing to serve the american people. Vivek ramaswamy is a little unclear, but yeah. The Speaker Of The House has things to do, maybe. Thank you on your time tonight, guys. We have much more, including how the prosecution got to the crux of its case today, getting Michael Cohen to confirm the checks and Business Records trump used to repay him were falsified. That is next. Next. Because we arent quitters. Impossible. Were solving the meat problem with more meat. Limu emu. And doug. bell ringing limu, someone needs to customize and save hundreds on Car Insurance with liberty mutual. Lets fly Inaudible Sounds chief doug. Inaudible Sounds ooooo ah. Elevator Doors Opening Inaudible Sounds i thought you were right behind me. Only pay for what you need. Liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. Were here with Chris Counahan of our local leaffilter. So chris, tell us how leaffilter is different from every other gutter protection on the market. With leaffilters, patented filter technology, there are no gaps, no openings, no place for debris to get in at all. 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Then send them to the Trump Organization and in return, cohen received falsified checks from trump himself. All to hide the Hush Money Payments to Stormy Daniels. Here is prosecutor susan huff injure. Michael cohen, yes, maam. The description of pursuant to a retainer agreement, was that a truthful statement . Cohen, no maam. Was the description on this check stub false . Cohen yes, maam. Hoffinger do you recognize the signature . Uses it whose is it . Cohen, donald trump. Andrea, renowned journalist, i thought we have spent a lot of time talking about the cross, but the direct examination of Michael Cohen i believe has some of the most important evidence, if not the most important evidence we have seen on this trial to date. He has sewn up these loose pieces and explaining the back story, like the tape of him speaking to trump and the way the whole document came together, which is the Bank Statement with the scrawled handwriting about how much they will reimburse him, and he said clearly yesterday, that it was trump and Allen Weisselberg, the cfo, who put it together and brought him in and ratified it. But, today we had cohen going through what you just read 11 times, there were 11 payments, and then capping it off by talking about a visit to the white house, were trump says to him, dont worry, michael, your checks are coming soon, it takes a while back to get checks fed next fedex from the white house. And we saw an appointment with cohen on his calendar. And we saw a picture of cohen in the white house. So all of these things, these bits and pieces we have seen of corroboration, he is saying here i was, heres what happened. Quite literally the receipts. We talk a lot about how credible Michael Cohen is as a witness. When you, when the hard data truly matters here, chris, and i wonder as you were in the courtroom, how the jury reacted. It was an interesting point in the trial. There was a long period in which they are going through each invoice. So there are 11 instances of the crime, which are the falsified records. Because, they include a stub with the ledger from the pay entity, which is saying this is for a retainer, was it a retainer, so, at one level, you knew it the next 10 were. So, it also just hammered home the fact that, like, this is what the crime is. This is the actual crime, this is it, the crime has been committed. And throughout the trial today i found the jury very attentive, and that part was, it was interesting, because it was methodical and slow to go through all 11. Do you think, andrea, that the defense was successful in Repainting Cohen . There was this emotional high point where cohen is talking about, its after the president ial election. Hes basically thrown away by trump. His bonus has been cut, hes not getting a job in washington, hes basically been told, dont come near me, in effect. And hes still trying to protect trump by lying to congress about the construction or proposal to construct a trump tower, or misleading about payments, lying to reporters so hes doing all this stuff, and he talks about how thentrump says to him after he is rated by the fbi, dont worry, michael, i have your back, but he doesnt have his back. So the defense coming into say dont you just want revenge . There is an emotional predicate for cohen to yes, be upset, because he did all these things for trump, and trump has not paid him back. Thats a tough argument to make. It is the second time theyve made it, they said the same thing with Stormy Daniels, so the sting of that has gone out of it. Weve heard that before. When are you going to get to the checks . Maybe thursday. The other thing on that series where they are showing the checks is that the light is that its a retainer, because hes doing legal services. They asked, if they were legal services, he said no. Whew very Little Things came up on cross, but whats interesting about that too, is you have the paystub there. Hes not doing a ton of legal work for him. Everything has documented who was in his circle. The 35,000 times the amount adds up to what we all heard, like, it all adds up. Andrea, because you have been following this so closely, the prosecutions bar is much higher than the defenses bar, and we talked about the faults of the defense, how scattered it seemed. They just need one juror. And i wonder as we sit here, this is the last witness that will be called according to the prosecution, as you look at the strategies on display here, whether you think it is asymmetrical, or whether we are overstating the efficacy of the prosecution. I mean, its impossible to secondguess that, right . For example, when cohen was telling this story of betrayal today, he was speaking directly to the jurors, and they were looking straight at him. That went on for while, it was a moment of emotional attention on their part. And i think that one of the things thats hard here is i have covered Michael Cohen a long time. Michael cohen has lied and lied, but that doesnt mean he never tells the truth. Exactly. That is what the prosecution has to sort out, and its hard to just say, you are a liar, dont believe anything. Maybe one juror will believe that, and there will be a hung trial. But, its a high bar when you have this evidence, and this corroboration of documents and people, who worked for trump, and worked for him, as of tonight. And presumed themselves to remain in his good graces. Andrea bernstein thank you. Our Primetime Recap of the only criminal trial the only one in the history of a former american president continues right after the break. Break. Sometimes your work shirt needs to be for more than just work. Like when it needs to be a big, soft shoulder to cry on. Which is why downy does more to make clothes softer, fresher, and better. Downy. Breathe life into your laundry. One in five Children Worldwide are faced with the reality of living without food, no family dinners, no special treats, not enough energy to play. All around the world, hunger is affecting childrens physical and Mental Health. Toddlers are suffering from acute malnutrition, which stunts their growth. Kids are forced to drop out of school so they can help support their families. 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Its the fourth week. Ive been stuck in here for four weeks. I call it the icebox. We call it the icebox. I was sweating in there today, im not going to lie. Maybe we just run hotter. Prosecutors told the court cohen is their last witness. Christian greenberg, deputy chief of the Criminal Division for the Southern District of new york, senior staffer in the manhattan district attorneys office, now criminal defense attorney, great to have you both here. Lets talk a little bit about timing and where we are in the case. Kristi, ill start with you. B we anticipated Michael Cohen to be the last witness. That was disclosed i think in a sidebar. Todd blanche, i believe, today, said he will take all of thursday for the rest of his cross right . Yes. So then what happens after that . So after that, i think at that point the prosecution will rest. They said maybe they would call a witness depending on Jury Instructions . Yeah, it wasnt clear. I thought where they landed is that they were ending with cohen. And at that point i anticipate they will say we regressed, the defense we will say we are moving for an acquittal and are coming up with all the problems they have found in the trial thus far. The judge will deny that moving for the judge to issue an acquittal. Yes. They have not been close to the burden of proof. There are various issues that have come up in the case that are problematic, this should be dismissed. The judge will deny it. Then we will get to summation. What would you anticipate the summations being for a length of a trial like this . There is a lot for both sides to work with, here. The prosecution will be trying to put together all of the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle, and the defense, which is really going to be picking at Michael Cohen and Allen Weisselberg, weve seen the evidence before they put up their case through the questioning of the witnesses. Clearly what they are trying to establish is that i Allen Weisselberg, former cfo of Trump Organization, and Michael Cohen, acted alone. They have got to deal with the facts. If Allen Weisselbergs handing, they have to be picking this apart, and the prosecution will be talking about the ways in the ways the pieces fit together. Duncan, they havent laid any of that groundwork, really sufficiently, i would think the defense, in terms of saying donald trump was in that involved in this, it has sort of thrown a dart in it. In fairness, they havent put their case on yet, but they are getting one chance at a main witness at this. Michael cohens testimony was really devastating for them in two ways, one, had to do with the case. With three simple words, saying he authorized this, he put donald trump right at the center of this reimbursement scheme. And, he turned what is a circumstantial case where the prosecution without Michael Cohen would stand up and say do you believe this Pennypinching Guy who is negotiating everything down to the paperclip assigning 35,000 checks and doesnt know what it is . Do you believe that, ladies and gentlemen, to a direct evidence case where he is saying donald trump authorized this. So with those words its sort of a nail in the coffin. But predator. Even with Stormy Daniels testimony he is sitting there in his silk robe like he has hugh hefner and she talked about shaking while she put on her shoes and he comes off as a predator. Michael cohens testimony comes off as a dog, as a criminal. Michael cohen called as his home was being raided by the fbi. He called donald trump and donald trump says im the t president of the united states, dont worry about it. The fbi works for me. This was out of a mafia start of book, so it is devastating in those ways. Im trying not to succumb to groupthink about the cross because i was in there and i found it not that great. There were moments where cohen seemed on his heels or squarely or evasive. They definitely pointed out inconsistencies, but i had a hard time following it. Where is this going and what will this add up to . They are going to have another day of cross. If you were in the room with todd blanche, who i believe you worked with i did. Whats the game plan here . What do you think there should be more of . First, start by attacking his credibility. Start by pointing out the fact he has lied. The prosecutors did that on direct. That is a technique and they did it, but when they went through his plea of what he did, it was very brief. The prosecutors. You pled guilty to five counts of tax fraud. Lets go through what you actually did that made you guilty and the varying stories that you have had about whether or not you actually did it. This wasnt about necessarily how he feels about it, it is what did you do . He is all over the place including today. He said as for the tax crimes, i never denied the fact of it. I never denied that i did it, they just shouldnt of brought j the case. Materiality is the word he kept using. Material they should not of brought either. This is prosecutors trying to threaten me and go after my wife and again i know those prosecutors. It is a highprofile case. That does not comport with my experience and how things work n and how those prosecutors and particularly work. Cohen has denied he committed n tax evasion even though he pled guilty to it, so really try to tease out these inconsistencies. The consistencies today doesnt matter and nobody cares, like the first question out of the gate and whether or not you said something nasty about todd in blanche. Do you have that thin of skin . The judge calling you to a sidebar after your first question and saying why are you making this about you . It is bias against the defendant, not you. For a defense attorney this is a dream cross. There is so much material. Go for the things that matter. I would say credibility first and then the other piece is if the theory of the cases these checks were for legal work, ks maybe show us what the legal al work was. Yes. Briefly in rebuttal very briefly and they anticipated this again. Take us through what was 35,000 a month, because what we saw was an email from Michael Cohen that said how much was the amount again . Oh no, we are building to the six minute increment of everything weve done and donald trump cares about looking at those kinds of things and none of that exists. If you have a theory that is different, show us what that is. Great to have you both. Thank you both for coming. 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Well, it is wild to conceive of the fact that this could go to the jury next week and i think part of why that is so wild to conceive of is he has been so successful in playing the delay game with all of these other cases and there is always the sense that there is never going to be in accounting. He is sort of wriggling out of this one and wriggling out of that one and this is an act committed in 2016 and 2017. We are finally getting to it in 2024. It is striking to imagine that there might be a moment next week where there is a jury reading a verdict in a room for donald trump, which still seems to me abstract. I will believe it when i see it, because thus far the record has been pretty good at avoiding serious accountability. I think along the way it has become quite evident to the laypeople that donald trump is involved in the defense. The Character Examination and even the lines the defense uses. The kinds of things that donald trump would be sang behindthe scenes and it is impossible for me to imagine that the next 20 to 36 hours donald trump is not going to be saying more. My heart goes out to those individuals who are managing one of the most unwieldy clients in america. The owner calling the dugout with some thoughts on which pitcher should come in. Just a couple of thoughts. We believe it there. That will do it for us now. Dont go anywhere. Our coverage continues with the last word with lawrence odonnell. One of my first guests tonight predicted to me, in the courtroom, just before Cross Examination started, that Donald Trumps defense lawyer,