Theres recently been a lot of speculation about just that kind of scenario. But we dont have to actually imagine because Something Like that has happened before in july offo 1981. Heres the headline. Reagan reversing many u. S. Policies. The New York Times reported the reaganli administration has set about accomplishing a sweeping reversal of policy and practice in the way the government deals with business and individual citizens. In key cabinet and regulatory posts the reagan transformation amounts to a revolution of attitude involving the appointment of officials who in previous administrations might have been ruled out over concern of lack of interest or open or ostilt to the mission of the agencies theyhe now lead. Sounds familiar. President reagan embarked on what you might call the first modern purge of the administrative state, filling the federal government with young conservative zealots who were looking to carry out a radical newo agenda. And nowhere was that more evident than at the department oft justice. As politico reported in 2015 the doj was the nerve center of the reagan revolution, the most intellectually vibrant and ideologically Conservative Agency of the federal government. Among thede battalion of conservatives who entered Reagans Justice Department were these guys. A pair of Young Lawyers called john roberts and sam alito. The two would become much more famous for playing in a different bandng years later. During the Reagan Administration they laid the foundation what would become their judicial legacy. They spent their time in the Justice Departmenthe workshopin hard right decisions like ending Affirmative Action and curbing Voting Rights. John roberts was actually working in w the Civil Rights Division of the Justice Department writing memos about how to restrict key provisions of the Voting Rights act. At one point Samuel Alitos job was tots help Ronald Reagans solicitorgeneral Craft Arguments against Affirmative Action for the Supreme Court. That solicitorgeneral recalled toor The New Yorker alito cam up with some choice lines such as hank aaron would not be regarded as the alltime home run king and a model for youth as defenses had moved had he ever moved to the plate. That trite Baseball Metaphor did not do it, though, and they lost the battle to curb Affirmative Action. When the time came for President Reagan to reauthorize the Voting Rights act his administrationht ultimately cav to political pressure and renewed the landmark legislation. Nonetheless, this group of conservative warriors represented the first frontns ia decades long effort a to try to erode Voting Rights bit by bit. President reagan issued a statement before just flying to new york on a political trip. He supported a tenyear extension of the Voting Rights act but told reports he favored making it easier for states and communities to bail out of the act, showing they were no longer discriminating and thus no needing to comply. After n all this time there could be theti possibility of a better bail out opportunity for those who have abided by the election law. That may anger black groups, but it pleased conservative southerners who have said theed law is unfair. I think it shows a willingness on the part of the administration to encourage the judiciary and the senate as a whole to look very carefully at this whole question of the extension of Thele Voting Right Act of 1965. So began the long journey to reverse americas hard won progress on civil rights. Now were in the year 2024 you probably know how this story ends. Those two plucky young reagan Justice Department officials eventually made their way to Th Supreme Court where they got a chance to gut Voting Rights, end Affirmative Action and in Samuel Alitos case to write half a Century Oflf Reproductive freed and pepped the latest 63 decision once again attacking rights and in this case Voting Rights. Lastvo year the court ruled a state had engaged in illegal racial gerrymandering diluting the power of the black voters. But Justice Alito writing the south must give Carolina Republicans the benefit of the doubt when they say that race had nothing to do with how they drew the congressionalwi maps. Quoting from gralitos opinion when a Federal Court finds that race drove a legislatures District Decisions it is finding the legislature bears offensive and meaningful conduct of apartheid. We should not be quick to hurl such accusations at the political branches. In other words, its pretty offensive to accuse south Carolina Republicans of racism, so lets not. Sm and if theres no racism, then theres nothing to see here, folks. But if e,alitos Decision Seeme Absurd and also extreme, another Reagan Administration alum, a man by the name of Clarence Thomas, took this all one step further. In his concuring opinion Justice Thomas argued the federal judiciary should have no role about settling disputes about anyng election maps, and then h called into question a half century of precedent following the courts landmark decision in brown v. Education. Hey,br why not . All of them on the chopping block, why not go for desegregation, too . This is what it looks like when you fill government withli political ovzealots. The Administration May end, but the people dost not necessarilyo away. They just become the next generation of serious people, experienced enough for a Confirmation Hearing and young enough for a lifetime appointment. Joining me nowim is ari berman, national Voting Rights correspondent and mother jones. Hes also author of the new book Minority Rule. Also joining me is dahlia lithwick, slates Senior Editor writing about the courts ands e law. Thank you both for joining this, well, monumental day. Lets talk about the project here. We did not get to this moment by chance. I was having ptsd from Reliving My Last book and going into my new one. Im sorry for that. Because this is history very familiar to me, which is that the Conservative Movementwh specifically put people that were opposedec to the civil rigs movement, opposed to Voting Rights, opposed to these policies in positions of power to dosi things through the cour they knew they could not do through the normal political process. They knew they would not have been able to get rid of the Voting Rights act, overturn roe v. Wade through the normal political process. Oc he said lets construct this antidemocratic court that would do all these anti democratic things and were seeing this decades long strategy play out today. They are overturning roe v. Wade. They are gutting the Voting Rights act to t such a point it barely effective, and this didnt happen byff chance. Basically the Conservative Movement has made the courts their test case for Minority Rule because they know that the court at least in their hopes will be ipsulated from political accountability. And certainly the way the justices are acting they feel they are. This week of all weeks, dahlia, when we find Justice Alito has flags bearing the hallmark of the Insurrection Movementth flying above one of s homes, here he is again going against the will of the people and the democratic process to undermine votingcr rights. What is yourng reaction to the decision today . Yeah, i mean i think your point is the right one, alish, which is these are both stories of Minority Rule and complete lack of accountability, and i really want to make one more pitch to folks who are listening that these are the same story, that we tend to sort of talk about alito malfeasance, weird behavior, upside down flags as a kind ofow a one story and then e doctrine that comes out of the court as another, and they are so intrinsically connected because theyre both stories of what it is to create a judiciary that is so utterly, utterly protect from public disdain, public displeasure from the sense that they are subverting democracy as we know it. And i think both the decision today and Justice Alitos publi conduct where hes just flouting Everysial Ethics and sort of appearance constraint, there are of a piece, they are both stories of what it is toce be utterly untouchable in this moment. This is going to have implications and beyond the conservative project, theres the Immediate Impact on our elections and how we have a Representative Democracy or not, ari. This is happening in south carolina, but how do you see this decision echoing across the United Ecstates . Youre right. Whatta it does is gives the republicans ave house seat. They also ran out the clock because a lower court was already forced to basically say the republicans can this district and then the Supreme Court went further and theyre making it f very difficult to challenge racial gerrymandering in the future. Theyve already gutted the Voting Rights act twice. Theyve also said partisan gerrymandering cannot be challenged in Federal Court, which is absolutely insane. You could draw a map where one party gets 30 of the votes, 70 of thevo seats and theyll say cant even challenge it let alone strike it down. Racial gerrymandering is one of the only things you can still challenge when it comes to Voting Rights, now theyre say basically racial gerrymandering because essentially what alito is saying lets give the benefi of the doubt to those who are discriminating versus those who are fighting it. There are people suexpressing votes, diluting votes, making it harder to vote as opposed to those people facing the obstacles to voting . Im not asking this rhetorically. I am asking this. Inrh saying that race has nothi to do with this, they are just revealing the racial agenda they operate within and under. Is that unfair . Because nine times out of ten these justices with the exception of one ruling earlier this year are always going with the whiter people. Right. This is like a layer cake of gaslighting, alex. Theres so many levels of, you know, were just trying to be fair, were just going to defer to the legislature. Were just going to say whatever the rules are Finding Errors in the District Court finding, theres extensive, extensive findings from the lower court, the threejudge panel. You know, alito just bats away. I dont find any of this to be indicative of, you know, of racial gerrymander. So theres layers and layers of denialism and maybe the cherly on top of this cake is when Justiceis Alito literally tells Justice Kagen an opinion she wrote, that his opinion is actually truer to that than hers. And when she says in her dissent, no, youve completely obverted Everything Ie wrote, hes like oh, honey, listen to me. Theres just every single check that was supposed to protect disadvantaged Racialte Minoriti from having their Power Suppressed over centuries, every one of those checks is batted away under the theory that this was never a problem, its certainly not a problem now. As chilling as all the writing in this opinion. Hes basically suggesting brown v. Boardly of education, there nothing that should follow fromt that, it has no teeth. The courts should not be involved in this business. I meanin reminder Clarence Thom was put on the court to replace thurgood marshall. The iron and alarm bells that should bela ringing how do you read that opinion . We were jolting about whats the silver line here because at least Clarence Thomas is because he literally wants to repeal the 20th l century. Saying he wants to overturn the one person, one vote rulings which earl warren said were the most important rulings of that court,or saying you cant challenge racial gerrymandering ever, whicher will basically gu the 14th and 15th amendment. Hes basically saying from reconstruction onwards from the 1860s and 70s onwards we should repeal all of that and we should go back to the day ironically when black people have nohe rights and other racially disenfranchised minorities have no rights. Yes, its concurrence, but the fact hes even putting this out there, what we see these radical concurrences, they become theic thing the lower courts pick up on and it goes back to the Supreme Court. It reminds me of the Dobbs Decision where thomas is suggesting gay marriage may be something to follow. Moving the goal posts down the field and saying maybe we should rethink brown. That may not be the Immediate Impact of all this, but it does sort of set a new goal for the right, does itor not . It does. And it embodens as ari says Lower Court Judges trying out constantly for the Supreme Court to be like im going to read the thomas dissent as the Majority Opinion and write it into law and take a big swing and see what happens. Weve got case after case in this Supreme Court that arese borne of that kind of zealotry, and i think the really Importana Point Ari is saying and we shouldnt miss its really easy to get focused on the flags and whats happening at the court, but the a Court Eviscerated the reconstruction amendments. For all Intents And Purposes the court saidte that the amendment that promise a freer, fuller participatory democracy are essentially unenforceable. And for us to sit around and be like, this cant go any farther, Clarence Thomas is pretty much telling us hes willing to take it farther, just jump on and enjoy theer ride. Repeal the 20th century from Clarence Thomas. Ari berman, dahlia lithwick, thank you for your time and wisdom. Im not going to say calming alarmed ause im more than i ever have been, but thank you for your time tonight. I t appreciate you. Coming up Ronald Reagan once again its reagan night. Ronald reagan visited the heavily bureaucratic bronx in 1980, and i tonight donald trum tried to same thing. But first an Appeals Court today shutdown trumps Hail Mary Tory get judge juan merchan thrn off his case. The latest in the Hush Money Trials Denials is next. St in thy trials denials is next hi, im chris and i lost 57 pounds on golo. Golo isnt complicated. I dont have to follow a restrictive diet, and i dont have to spend a lot of time making meals. Using golo was truly transformative. It was easy, and inexpensive. Why choose a sleep number smart bed . Can it keep me warm when im cold . Wait, no, im always hot. Sleep number does that. Now, save 50 on the sleep Number Limited Edition smart bed. Plus, free Home Delivery when you add any base shop now at sleepnumber. Com a slow network is no network for business. Thats why more choose Comcast Business. And now, were introducing ultimate speed for business our fastest plans yet. 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Now, these denials are all happening as we await a consequential ruling from judge merchan on Jury Instructions, which will guide the jury as it tries to reach a verdict. Joining me now is neil katyal, now msnbc analyst. Its great to see you. I have a lot of questions here. Pertaining first to the Appeals Court ruling, there have been so many denials throughout this trial. I assume its the Throw Spaghetti at the wall and lets see what sticks to it school of defense strategy. Does it have any kind of meaningful impact, though, in The Big Picture here . Its the Spaghetti Strategy at the wall and trumps m. O. Being the loser once gep as he does time and again in the new york court system. So the idea this judge should be recused i think is laughable. This is judge if anything is bending over backwards to accommodate trump and his antics like just take all of trumps defiance of the gag order. I would just tell you, alex, if you or i did that we mind be going straight to jail but this judge gave trump every benefit of the doubt. It is true theres a lot of pretrial publicity, a lot of publicity he himself has ginned up in part but legally thats always been a loser because in order to change venue you have to show some other place that doesnt have as much pretrial publicity, and of course everywhere is probably this case. Its the same argument when i prosecuted the George Floyd MurderDerek Chauvin said change venue, i cant get a fair trial in minneapolis, and the trial judge said no, its the same everywhere. What are your biggest questions around the Jury Instructions . We went through some of them but i wonder if theres a particular looming question about the guidance going to be given to the jury youre going to be focused on as we get those instructions. For the jurors the instructions are the legal standards the judge tells the jury. What are the elements theyre going to need to find as a jaefr in order to convict trump. The money trial here this trial is so intense franklying you think even the Jury Instructions are going to need an attorney at some point. But the major point of contention is criminal it tept. The defense is arguing for very specific language that would require the jury to find that trump specifically intended to commit a Campaign Finance violation. And the prosecution, by contrast, is arguing for something more lean i want. Thats really important because thats one of the key ways in which this crime becomes not just a misdemeanor of falsifying Business Records but rather a very serious Campaign Finance violation, a felony with the possibility of jail time. You know, when we talk utwhat the jury is going to be guided towards, what kind of instructions theyre going to get, trump did not testify in this despite his explicit assertion he was going to testify. He explained why he didnt take the stand to abc i believe it was yesterday. Let us take a listen to his explanation. Its a full screen. Okay, im going to read it. Anything i did, he said, anything i did in the past they can bring anything up, and you know what i have a great past, but anything. The other reason is they have no case. Why testify when they have no case . I dont do a great donald trump, neil, but you get the gist of things which is anything but saying i cant take the stand because i would be moy own worst possible witness in my own defense. Is that going to be something is the jury going to find out why trump didnt take the stand . We know theres a couple of key witnesses in all this that didnt take the stand, and i would assume the jury has to be told why they didnt take the stand. I called this on your show more than a month ago trump is not going to testify, and hes not going to testify for two simple reasons. Number one hes a chicken, and number two his attorneys would never let him testify because theres two great a risk hes going to perjure himself on the stand. And i further said of course hell blame it on someone else. Hell blame it on the fact theres no case or Something Like that. All the things he was saying and they cant infer anything negative from donald trump about his decision not to take the stand. And thats absolutely his right. Theyre going to be told that exporously in the Jury Instructions. That doesnt say anything about the court of Public Opinion where there is no fifth amendment. And politicians act in a public environment and if they dont take the stand theres a good reason for that, which is not theres no case, its because theyre worried about showing up on the stand and having to tell the truth. I think we can make a certain inference from that, the fact that theres witness after witness who said trump did it, and hes just sitting there silently sitting on his hands. That tells us, i think, what we need to know. When you talk about drawing inferences, neil, i wonder, you know, how you think the closing arguments are going to go based on what we saw On The Last Day of testimony bob costello having quite a time on the stand with judge merchan and others. Where do you think they go from here, and what are your expectations . So the Trump Defense is really simple. This is not a case about donald trump. This a case about Michael Cohen and his credibility. This is guy theyre going to say has lied, lied repeatedly, lied to the point he had to go to jail, and you cant trust him. And the prosecution is going to say, hey, theres a lot of reasons to trust him now, but, b, you dont have to trust him because theres all Sorts Of Corroborating documentary evidence. And someone like trump who theres testimony that says he meticulously counted every cent going out of his accounts, the idea he would have tolerated his Attorney Spending Hundreds of thousands of dollars without his permission is just so against the trump Modus Operandi as to make it unbelievable. So i think thats going to be the debate. Remember in our system the jury all 12 of them have to find trump guilty in order for him to be convicted. If one person says he didnt do it, then he cant be convicted, there may be a mistrial and a hung jury. And at that point youll have perhaps another trial, and i think some of trumps Defense Tactics in the case particularly over costello would give the prosecution ample grounds to have a retrial. So we could be back here again if trump doesnt get convicted next week. You just had to say another trial didnt you, neil . Were not ready for that talk yet. Sir, it is great to talk with you and get your expertise on all this. Really appreciate you. Thanks for making the time. Coming up donald trump and Ronald Reagan both went to the bronx. Who had a better visit . Well have more on that after the break. Well have more on that after the break. And i have kept it off. Most of the weight that i gained was strictly in my belly which is a sign of insulin resistance. But since golo, that weight has completely gone away, as you can tell. Thanks to golo and release, ive got my life and my health back. Ah, these bills are crazy. She has no idea shes sitting on a goldmine. Well she doesnt know that if she owns a Life Insurance policy of 100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. Even a term policy. Even a term policy . Even a term policy find out if youre sitting on a goldmine. Call Coventry Direct today at the number on your screen, or visit coventrydirect. Com. psst psst ahhh with flonase, allergies dont have to be scary. Spraying Flonase Daily gives you long lasting nondrowsy relief. Flonase all good. 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Three years earlier in 1977 president jimmy carter had visited that same neighborhood in the bronx and promised more social services for its residents, so reagan thought it would be a good idea to take a limo surrounded by police and give a speech about tax cuts and deregulation as the answer to everybodys problems and not say, i dont know, a social safety net. It is what we now think of as classic reagan, but at the time it was a fresh, new brand of conservatism. And during his actual speech when he was just speaking to a relatively friendly audience made up of members of the press, well, the Campaign Stop went well. But when reagan was done using the south bronx as a backdrop, he made the mistake of actually interacting with the residents of the neighborhood he claimed he was there to speak to. And here is how that went. What are you going to do for us . Im trying to tell you. Mr. Reagan, go ahead. I am trying to tell you. If you will listen a minute what im tying to tell you is i cant do a damn thing for you ifiodont get elengthed. Today donald trump held his own rally In The South Bronx just yards from where Ronald Reagan spoke in 1980 and the headlines say it all. Trump to hold Campaign Rally to court black, latino voters. It doesnt matter whether youre black or brown or white or whatever the hell color you are, it doesnt matter, we are all americaned and were going to pull together as americans. Trump appears to have learned from reagans mistake. Congressman Richie Torres represents the area of the bronx where trump gave his remarks today, and heres how he described them. Trumps rally may be In The South Bronx but it is not of the south bronx. Bluntly put the trump trance transplants are much whiter. Sort of a weird way to court black and latino voters. But if youre trump, i get it. Ahow is trump actually doing when it comes to black and latino voters and how does it compare to joe biden . 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Our sidewalks are littered with bottles, garbage, and trash. But worst of all the discarded needles from people that so desperately are in need of help. And we have mobs of migrants fighting our Police Officers and giving america the middle finger. I wonder what subway line donald trump took to get to that rally. Anyway, trump took advantage of a break in his criminal Hush Money Trial to do what he does best, participate inner cities as hell scapes. His rally In The South Bronx in the park an attempt to reach out to black and latino voters might best be described as fraud. First off new york city has not voted for a republican president ial candidate since Ronald Reagan, which was more than four decades ago, and then there is trumps problematic history with the citys residents of color like the full page ads he ran in local newspapers calling for the Death Penalty for five black and latino teens wrongly convicted of rape in 1989 and who are today known as the exonerated five. And there are the well documented allegations trump denied Housing Potential black tenants in the city. Despite this History Trump appears to be making in roads with voters of color. A recent the New York Times poll found trump would win 23 of black voters. The times notes that would be the highest level of black support for any president ial candidate since the enactment of the Civil Rights Act in 1964. Joining me now is the ceo of the center for American Progress action fund. Thank you for being here. Alex, thank you for having me on. You described that rally as fraught. I would describe it as fraud. Just because of the man or the setting or both . All of it. It was astroturf. They imported a whole bunch of people into the bronx. Lets be really clear here, donald trump aint winning the bronx. Those of us from new york know him best, and thats why Hillary Clinton won the bronx by i think 75 points and joe biden did even better than that in 2020. So hes not competitive in new york, but more importantly hes just telling a completely false story. Crumbling instruct. Those were the things he said he would take care of and failed to and Joe Biden Has. We all know when hes in other states like the Battleground States he promises to launch the Largest Deportation Program in the history of america. Well, talking about a lot of folks who actually reside in the bronx as opposed to people he imported to into the borough today. To your point it doesnt seem hes planting a flag in the bronx and hes going to win it. But making a point how he can and should and appeal to communities of color. The fact is, though, hes getting more support than he did last time by double digits. Again, fair enough but that poll is interesting, right . Because if its actually the case that donald trump really has 20, 25 of black, brown voters he would be winning those polls, running away nationally and in each and every one of the states, and thats clearly not the case in their own math. So theres a distinct problem there, weve seen data like this before when i worked for a guy named barack obama in 2012. We were trailing in all the National Polls at this point by about 3 or 4 points to mitt romney and we were told he was making historic in roads i with black and brown voters and that never panned out actual election day. It seems, though, the Biden Campaign is considering these numbers if Nautica Pitulating to them. Theres a new ad that came out i believe today about trump and his relationship to the black community. Im joe biden and i approve this message. Of course i hate these people. Donald trump disrespecting black folk is nothing new. He refused to rent his apartments to black families and called for the execution of five innocent black and brown teen armgs. And its more than anger, its hate railroad. Its why trump stood with white supremacists, warned of a bloodbath if he loses the next election, and if hes president again vows to be a dictator and get revenge on his enemies. Now who do you think that is . Of course i hate these people. Thats nautica pitulation to trumps message. Im not saying its capitulation. Its acknowledgement more reminding needs to be done about Donald Trumps policy decision. And an acknowledgement were in an environment where you have to persuade folks to participate and i came back from philadelphia talking to African American voters in that city and in that state, and they understand exactly where the states are. But, you know, theyre dealing with all kinds of things in their lives with education, with safety, the things that are approximate. The election seems far off to them. Its different for you or i, and i think the Biden Campaign is wisely reminding folks what the stakes are and persuading them to participate in the here and now and driving that contrast and also reminding people in philadelphia, detroit, milwaukee, that African American, Latino Unemployment is at historic lows. All these things are going to be brought home between now and november. Do you feel like the Inflation Piece is a big thing for these communities as well . Theyre often the front line with price increase. When you talk about tangible issues people vote on, could that explain it is terribly important, alex. Folks are concerned about Price Gouging, and i think theyre beginning to understand that you have one candidate in joe biden whos wrestling with the corporations on greed and Price Gouging and another guy who has, you know, a kind of laissezfaire attitude, and theyre also going to appreciate that the tariffs donald trump wants to impose will include a 1,500 tax across the board especially for black and brown families that he pretends to make an appeal to today. Theres totally Cognitive Dissonance. Trump is anything but consist in terms of policy and who hes trying to reach out to and even a platform. Its all over the place. On the one hand hes saying my dalliance tuesday be euphemistic about it with a criminal Justice System make me more appealing to communities of color because they know how unjust the system is. They know the systemic bias that is inherent to our criminal Justice System. On the other hand, earlier this month in wisconsin yes, the man with a golden toilet. Hes vulnerable. In Wisconsin Trump says he would give police more power and immunity from prosecution. Does he pay a price for the Cognitive Dissonance here . Does he pay a price for the hypocrisy ever . He ult metly will. Lets not just look at this issue, alex. Lets look at the flipflops hes executing on abortion. We had that ruling from louisiana today. Donald trump has in the last few days come out and said hes going to Institute National restrictions on Birth Control and said he was going to have National Restrictions on abortion, ran away from that. He is flipflopping on that issue every minute. And you have 40 of suburban women who are saying thats the single most important issue for them in november. So you can trust theyre going to hold him to account on that and recognize that Joe Biden Has been a protector of reproductive freedom in this country. Were going to talk more about that in the break, so please hang with me for just a few more minutes, patrick. 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Louisiana already bans nearly all abortions, but conservative lawmakers needed to make doubly sure that no woman in the state could possibly get around that ban and exert bodily atonmy. The Arizona Republican governor is expected to sign the bill into law shortly. Patrick, there is reporting from nbc that the trump team is working behind the scenes to ensure the republican platform on abortion doesnt shift too far right. Good luck to them i say with states the ship has sailed. Yeah, the ship has sailed. And i keep thinking back to trumps statement this should all be left to the states. How do democrats, you know, best highlight what happens in the states when the decision is left up to them . Trumps statement this should be left to states after trump ran around the country declaring i did this with his appointments to the Supreme Court, right, so i think that theres a way we have to get out of their way and let trump and the maga extremists speak for themselves on this issue. Its not just a question in the president ial contest, it matters in places like arizona where republicans have two congressional seats that they are likely to lose as a consequence of passing restrictive measures that come from a bill that was passed in the 1800s and doubling down on it in this moment. Theres an authoritarian blue prpt called 2025 that im sure youve talked to your viewers about that lays out a path how theyre going to list up Executive Authority over agencies like the fda to precisely use things like the Comm Stock Act to restrict a womans right to have access. Today in louisiana and well see this across the country women were visited by maga past, present, and the future. The past theyve been working on this for decades. The present in louisiana, arkansas, and arizona where theyre lifting these kind of bills, and the future where they have a clear plan in 2025 to expand abortion restrictions. Its a story that tells itself, but you can trust that team biden, that theyre exceptionally smart at all of this. Theyre going to be using the advantage that they have in resources to push that story particularly in places like montana, arizona, nevada, where there are abortion referendums that are on the ballot that will make a difference at every single level. I would assume that the accounts of the women themselves who are affected by these bans and the criminalization Of Basic Reproductive Freedom are very key interlockteres. I was speaking with Cecille Richards and she said its the Women Stories that cut across republican lines. These are republican women that need lifesaving abortions. In some ways it almost seems their voices are maybe more important than bidens on the issue in terms of moving people from the center and the middle. 100 . And cecilles my hero but ill add this little piece. Joe biden won suburban women by 19 points. Right now hes currently leading by 16, 17 points with that cohort and a full third are saying theyre undecided or not fully committed to trump. That story told by women themselves will assure that Joe Biden Has that kind of advantage and cushion suburban women who as i said before 40 of them are saying this is the single most important issue for them. And 59 of that cohort believe that donald trump is an absolute extremist on this issue. Do they believe he wants to restrict contraception . Yes. Yes. They heard him loud and clear, and as maya angelou says if someone tells you who they are, believe them. So folks are Bleechbing Trump on contraception, on apportion, on the authoritarian power grab he and his maga extremists who control congress and republican State Legislatures intend to enact. We are going to tell that story. Were going to win as a result of that story. The confidence i can feel it. Bring it on. Bring it he says. President of the center for American Progress action fund, patrick, its great to see you. Thanks for your time tonight and your enthusiasm. That is our show for this evening. Way too early with Jonathan Lemire is coming up next. We had the greatest economy in history, and i was getting calls from the other side. I call it the radical left, but left leaning to put it mildly democrats, can we get together . Because everybody had the best theyve ever had. African american jobs were