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Tonight on all in. I think this is so rich coming from someone who has been prosecuted. The prosecutor turned Vice President faces down the criminal expresident. His next big Court Appearance is at his own criminal sentencing. Reporter the man who played Donald Trump in the Harris Debate prep joins me live. Yes or no you do not have a plan. I have concepts of a plan. Reporter then, Cory Booker on the forecast of the harris performance. Donald trump was fired by 81 Million people. Lets be clear about that. Reporter Sara Longwell with new Swing Vote Reaction to the trump Harris Debate i think she was the cheer winner. She was more president ial. He did a poor job of taking her bait and allowing himself to get upset. Reporter and rebecca and john on what happens next. Lets turn the page on this. Lets not go back. Lets chart a course for the future. When all in starts right now. Good evening from New York im chris hayes. The first president ial debate of the year between Donald Trump and president biden, June 27th, Bidens Performance brought about a reckoning in Bidens Decision to step aside, suspend his reelection campaign. Last night, 11 weeks later, more than 67 Million people watched Trump Face bidens replacement at the top of the democratic ticket, Voice President Kamala Harris. The stakes were even higher, going into last Nights Debate, Kamala Harris carried an unbelievably difficult burden. Of course there is the fact that she is the first black woman at the top of a major party ticket, trying to become the first woman ever elected the president of the United States. And everyone if everything else in the race was normal that would be a extremely difficult road to navigate. Of course, nothing about this has been normal. Since the first debate. Harris has had to navigate a mind field. For three weeks, while her party was in turmoil, Vice President had to avoid being seen as grasping or ambitious as she remained a loyal soldier to biden. When the president decided to suspend his campaign she had to launch her own campaign in one day. She then had a matter of weeks, even days to consolidate support, Unify Democrats and plan and lead a convention. She managed all of it with just tremendous success. And campaign for president , harris entered last Nights Debate with a immense task before her. The Vice President needed to navigate contradictory imperatives, shore up her democratic coalition and reaching out to the all important swing voters. Handle the lies and Mania And Weirdness of her unpredictable opponent and getting her message out to viewers, under higher expectations and pressure, Kamala Harris executed all of that flawlessly. On one of the most important, abortion, Vice President Harris Viceerated it. Nowhere in america is a woman carrying a pregnancy to term and asking for an abortion. That is not happening. It is insulting to the women in america. Understand what has been happening under Donald Trumps abortion bans, couples that pray and dream of having a family are being denied ivf treatments. What is happening in our country, working people, Working Women who are working one or two jobs who can barely afford childcare as it is, have to travel to another state to get on a plane sitting next to strangers to go and get the Health Care that she needs. Barely can afford to do it and what you are putting her through is unconscionable. And using his weaknesses to her advantage. In every answer she deliberately baited trump with lures she knew he would not be able to resist. I am going to do something unusual and i am going to invite you to attend one of Donald Trumps Rallies T is a really interesting thing to watch. You will see, during the course of his rallies, he talks about fictional characters, like Hannibal Lecter and windmills cause cancer and that people leave his rallies first let me respond to the rallies. People start leaving, people dont go to her Rallies There is no reason to go. And the people that go, she is busing them in and paying this emto be there and showing them in a different light. So, she can not talk about that. People dont leave my rallies, we have the biggest rallies, the most incredible rallies in the history of politics showing them in a different light . What . What does that mean . Vice president finished the job with what can only be described as a punch to the gut. Painting trump as a loser and a disgrace. Donald trump was fired by 81 Million people. So, lets be clear about that. And clearly he is having a very difficult time processing that. But we can not afford to have a president of the United States who attempts as he did in the past, to upend the will of the voters in a free and fair election and i am going to tell you that i have traveled the world as Vice President of the United States. And World Leaders are laughing at Donald Trump. I have talked with military leaders, some of whom worked with you and they say you are a disgrace. And when you then talk in this way in a president ial debate and deny what over and over and over again are Court Cases that you have lost because you did, in fact, lose that election, it leads one to believe that perhaps, we do not have in the candidate to my right, the temperment or the ability not to be confused about fact. That is deeply troubling. The american people deserve better. Kamala harris accomplished everything she needed to Last Night. She needed to accomplish a lot. Knocked it out of The Park. Now, Vice President is known for being a politician that really prepares and it was clear that she took her Debate Prep seriously. A former Deputy Secretary of state. Playing the role of trump in clintons prep. There he is in what appears to be a Flip Phone video, Role Playing A Scenario where he tried to hug her and chase her around a room for said hug. Reprising the role of trump in harriss preparations for last Nights Debate. Selftanner and all. What did you think of that debate . I could watch it all night. I mean she put on a clinic. There is, there is really, no part of it that you can watch that it is bad and she should of redone it, remarkable performance. I know the former president is saying the same thing, one of them is liing and one of them is not. Lying and one of them is not. Take me through the prep. What was your approach in that prep to playing trump . What are the kind of signature things that he does in debates that you were doing and then how was that kind of Gamed Out and prepared for . Reporter well, first, my role in it is the kind of sexy part of it. But i really just had to focus on the left side of the screen which is him. A team that helps the Vice President that was headed up by Karen Dunn it was amazing. Frictionless team. I worked with other teams it was great. The Vice President has great people around her. Not just two of them they co ran it. From my perspective you just want the candidate to get used to seeing and hearing it. It was that added oddity. Nice to meet you and 20 minutes later telling her how she is ruining america. What was your approach . What is the most important things to prepare for if you are debating trump . Like, the sort of go to moves, the things that might rattle someone who has not been in the same room with him . Reporter well, i would take it a step back. Debate in itself ideal form is a job interview. You have two people who are going for the same position who want to put their experience and their best foot forward, they want to be professional, they want to think about curveballs that might come their way. We have all been in that situation. What we have not been in, the other candidate is six feet to your left and they have a chainsaw and the only way they can wins by, you know, bloodying you up. The challenge there is, you know, you have to make decision that what she did Last Night that was so amazing is that she was not just pointing out things that might get under his skin she was making her case directly to the camera, to the american people. She was talking about her plans, what was also incredibly amazing she did something that No One Else has been able to do in the last year. Remind people that this guy actually served and has a record and that record is really bad. You talked about this, this Amnesia Issue is a problem. He starts out saying, you know, you completely screwed the border it has to be hold on, pal, you were there for four years you were in charge of the border and you promised us a wall and it is not there. And that has not happened enough. And it is important to lay out that case and third, i mean, for my own in terms of asking about prep, first of all, you know, we all get make up before we are on tv and the Makeup Artist here said you already have makeup on. You got it on your forehead, i can not get it off. It is so caked on. The Guy Uses like plaster of paris. But, the thing that i noticed over the eight years by the way feel like it is first years when it was Flip Phone. It was not black and white, chris [ laughter ] he is really decompensating. His language always has been choppy and digreased. Digressed. He always speaks like that. He does not. If i lose track of my thoughts i stop for a second. When he loses track of his thoughts he just goes to another thought quickly so it does not sound like, is sounds like he is jumping around. He is seemingly, he will go off on covid for 10 minutes and not say tony fauci. So, there is something, i am in the camp that also noticed that. But, narrowly in terms of watching it. Reading every word, there is something not not right up there. And you know, we will play a little selection. One of the selections which we will play you in a second it is, they are eating the dogs, eating the cats, both a sort of disgusting and racist slander to a group of people and invented. But, that, that answer came, he started it on the rallies. We played that rallys clip. He got from people go to my Rallies To that and he can not follow his train of thought. Interrupts himself. Here is what it looked like. She say markcist. Her father is a professor in economics and he taught her well. In springfield they are eating the dogs, the people that came in. They are eating the cats, they are eating, they are eating the pets of the people that live there. She was big On Defund the police, in minnesota, she went out, wait a minute, im talking now. If you dont mind, please. Does that sound familiar. He was very proud of that last one. He referred to it as cute and he gave a kudos to himself afterwards he was calling back im speaking moment. In terms of the set pieces like the baiting. How much of that was planned . It seemed to me there were certain things that you know he will not leave alone. John mccain, charlottesville, very fine people, his rallies, they were intentionally seeded in her answers to get him to narcisticly obsess over them. Reporter i think, look, she has seen him over the years. The guy debated seven times, this was the seventh, 11 times i think in the primaries, 0 in 2020, 2024 primaries and he calls everyone out for being scared. I think she was almost acting like she was watching it. Like she was kind of watching it on tv and saying hold on, dude. What about this. Because that is what she was doing is calling out facts. What is particularly, i think, telling when you show these clips of his whatever you want to call them, is they make no sense. So, fine, he is not rubiks cube, not hard to figure out. He is you push one thing and he falls apart. But if you say your Crowd Sizes are low and people leave why wouldnt you say that is not true. Thereat is very mean, i am really proud, they are the biggest things what he starts doing is a different level of insanity. You are revealing it is a subset. What he is saying has never been truthful. It has never been real. It has never been normal. It is decompensating. And i think because it is, the thing about the frog in water if you boil them slow she they dont know what is happening, we have all been inored to it we dont know how serious it is. Look, Joe Biden, i love Joe Biden, when he was 78 and ran for president , No One thought, i remember concerned how he looks he is 78. If he wins we could be back in this conversation did you do off the rails as him . You do everything. You do i am the Ball Machine in my mind. A good Tennis Player who wants to get better. I have friends who are obsessed with tennis, they get a tennis pro, you want to test your back hand, set the Ball Machine to test your backhand. You want to do the forehand. If you want to use it as a target for your serve, great. It is really, it is simulation. I think any prep if it is congressional prep, Deposition Prep or any kind of interview, you want people to have thought things through. Not like you are sitting around saying here is a good line, memorize it. There have been great stories that i am sure you know, people would love about the biggest moments in Debate History have been the candidates thinking about them when they are not in prep. Lloyd benson, the i knew john kennedy. He actually snapped at his team when they said, Dan Quail might say that he knew jack kennedy. Benson said if you guys are going to waste my time, i am not, he walked out of the room. George bush when, you know, Al Gore crowded him he had a smerk on the face is because they crowded him. He says gore has done that. I dont care who has done that, get out of my face with that. When the moment comes you are like, oh, i have heard this. Thank you very much for your time tonight, appreciate it. Reporter thank you, chris. Still ahead. Did the debate move the needle . Swing voters weigh in with their thoughts, first, the performance of Kamala Harris on the stage Last Night, how she was underestimated, Cory Booker joins me next on that was underestimated, Cory Booker joins me next on that dangerous ladders. Gutter muck. Yuck. No wonder you hate cleaning your gutters. Good thing theres leaffilter. 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I think that she is going to find very ways of reminding people of the chaos of the kind of crassness of the person that he is but do it in a way that does not take her into the mud where trump loves to go. But do it in a way that is simply straight with the american people. And lets them to come to the conclusion that to me are very obvious. I will admit when Senator Booker was saying all of those things i was thinking, i am not sure you want to pump thes in before the debate happens, but clearly he knew what he was talking about. Cory booker, a democrat from New Jersey, long Friend And Ally of harris. They both sat on the judicial committee together. You see them there. Senator, i, i there is a weird thing with the run up to debates. People start to be my opponent is the best debater, i am a humble slob. It is a little put on. At the same time, both you and Gavin Newsom is like she is so good, she is going to kill him. She will be so good. I was thinking, boy, already a lot of pressure on her, but, you were right, what did you think . Reporter i mean it was simply awesome. I sat next to her for years in high Stakes Judiciary hearings and watched how she rose to every single moment. Supreme court justice, cabinet secretary, you pitch to Kamala Harris she will knock it out of The Park when it really counts. We know the stakes were high for her going into it. She is a gamer. She really brought it Last Night. She brought it two nights ago in a deaft ways, found ways to bait him in and expose him raw before everybody who just looked, no matter who you were, democrat or republican when you are talking about eating cats and dogs you know, just to let your Opponent Show his truth. You know, the thing that you said about her sort of, it is a high Stakes Situation she knocked it out of The Park. What is strike fog me, i interviewed the Vice President a number of times in the same way that i interviewed you. I dont know her well. But as i sort of character testament. The amount of pressure that has been on her, just as a person and as a politician and at each point that pressure she had to respond to, navigate it, i think it speaks remarkably well for her ability to be a president , honestly, given that the job is a pressurepacked job with really High Stakes and you really got to deliver in the moments that matter the moment yes, she is a clutch player. I think it does speak to her president ial capacities. Look, talk to Kamala Harris and this is what i love about her throughout this campaign is that she is not making it about her. Donald trump it was all about him, fragile ego, could not resist trying to defend any attacks on that ego. For kamala it is everybody else. This is what i want people to know about her right now is that she feels the urgency of the challenges before the american people. She feels very much the pain of people who are facing the stripping away of their reproductive rights. She feels an economy that many people dont think works for them anymore in america. These are issues that drive her. She is about serving this country and knows that this is a moment, not to beat Donald Trump but really where we need leaders in the plural to rise and meet it so that we as a nation can come together and move forward. I am really honored to watch a Friend Rise to this moment and keep the spotlight where it needs to be on the american people. Should note she is going to do the first Post Debate Event in pennsylvania, key county in a key Swing State. There is a bunch of, as we learned Last Night, 800,000 Polish Americans in the state of pennsylvania, she was talking about trump sucking up to put and i know what it might mean for the nation. What did you think of the Foreign Policy back and forth between them . Of course, she is the Vice President of the United States but, you know, it is hard to beat the experience just particularly for voters who are not in the weeds of someone who has already been president. Reporter again, what she did Last Night was important. Republicans and democrats, i am talking about the Ronald Reagan republicans who stood up to russia, to the kremlin. They know how urgent the situation in ukraine are, it is not just about ukraine it is really about democracy in europe. It is really about democracy at large. And the Rule Of Law globally. She exposed Donald Trump for being on the extremes of the republican party. Some who would surrender to putin. And the aims of, putin thinks it is right and might make it right. It is powerful, a message to a lot of americans, i know in New Jersey we have a lot of ukrainian and Polish Americans, and pennsylvania and other key battleground states. A lot of folks whose ancestry goes to those countries who know about the horrors of totalitarian dictators and their ambitious territorial aims. It was, again, she gave a Masters Class Last Night. In showing how you let your opponent expose themselves before all of the country and see things that many of us have forgotten or found a way to hide. Got a chance to tell the truth about trump and let him often do the talking Senator Booker of New Jersey, thank you very much. Thank you, so good to be on. Next, the successful Baiting Of Trump and the reaction of voters in key states, particularly undecided voters, all ahead in key states, particularly undecided voters, all ahead at the Barnes Firm, we handle Construction Accident cases. Have you fallen from a height, been hit by a vehicle or a falling object, tripped on Job Site Debris or anything else . Call the Barnes Firm now. You might have questions about workers comp, lost time from work, medical bills, or if you could get fired for being injured. Call the Barnes Firm to get the answers and help you need. Injured on a Job Site . Call us now. The Barnes Firm, Injury Attorneys call 1800 eight million. Don adtrump was an unfocused mess Last Night. He got his clock cleaned by Kamala Harris, what is more, every opportunity he took the bait, fell into the traps that Kamala Harris set for him. What goldman sachs has said is that Donald Trumps plan would make the economy worse and mine would strengthen the economy. What the Warton Cool said that Donald Trumps plan would explode the deficit. It is just a sound bite. They gave that to her to say. I went to warton school. Many professors think it is a brilliant plan, a plan that will bring up our worth, our value as a country. Now trump was not a disciplined candidate. But now it is unfocused Internet Conspiracy and bigotry and on full display Last Night. Former speechwriter for obama. And, writing about the joyous plot to elect Kamala Harris, they both join me now, rebecca what did you think of Donald Trumps performance Last Night . Reporter it is interesting. I thought so much Last Night since this, the impact of her baiting him and a lot of us absorb them as unhinged, she spoke to him like he was a toddler. He looked like one, but the thing that stuck with me today that is less fun than that, right, is that the things that we was baited into saying, right . Him and his most unguarded. At his most explosive. It is so chilling, right . So, and i think it is hard. Easy for us to forget that in sort of the Relief And Exhiperation of seeing a candidate that can talk to him and, and speak in these full sentences and bring out this side of him. But that side that is exposed. The horrible racist, zenaphobic lying shes are dangerous, right . And, and that she got him to say them i think it is people are joking about them but this is so , this is a rhetorical thing. He does not have a plan for you, and breaking the third wall. I invite you to go to his rallies and telling stories that bring back the human realities, she said i was at the capitol on the day of january 6th. And invoking a woman on a plane who can not get reproductive Health Care and does not have money and has to travel to another state. That was reminder that this is not just a show and he is not a Carnival Barker and not a cartoon, not a skit, he wants to be president , and these ideas and nonsense that are so dangerous will have an impact on you on me on us and on the american people. That was really powerful and something that i have been thinking a lot about today. And he, john, he, the bait was often to get him to be self obsessed, right . , a thing she knows he the litigate about his own sense of Honor Or Ego or whatever. I do, some level how is it not apparent that he is a narcissist . It is useful to remind voters of that yes, it is, and the tone she used is important. She did not treat Donald Trump like he is the main character in American Politics which is how he has been treated for the last nine years. She treated him as if he is an old man, disturbed, out in the middle of the Street Yelling at cars. That is how she treated him and made him say all of the things that rebecca was mentioning that are quite dangerous. And what she is going to do over the next four years versus what trump will do and how it will effect their lives and their narrated the debate. He will say lies and crazy stuff but i know you want to know what we are going to do to improve your lives and i will tell you that. That just left him talking about himself and getting angry and ranting and raving and i think for voters who have not decided yet, it makes them think, she seems strong, clear, in command, caring about us and he just seems angry and inco. I am not a undecided voters, and there are areas i would not know things and seem ignorant about. Given all of that, rebecca, last Night Cnn had a Snap Poll that are unscientific but aligned with my feeling she won, 63 said she won and 37 said he won. And i saw that number and i was like that should be the outcome of the election. How, how am i watching this. Like that is a number that feels about right. When i watched the two of them Last Night. That is about right. Sure, 37 are like, whatever. But, like. Disturbing. I feel like a Buzz Kill but i feel like she did a incredible job. I have my own complaints and critiques but she did an incredible job, obviously won, and i share the Relief And Happiness that so many do. But i also as i said left with a bit of a chill. I remember 2016 and i remember Hillary Clinton cleaning Donald Trumps clock three times in a row. That is rare in president ial debates, even great debaters, Barack Obama had a bad debate. She did not have a bad debate. Whipped him three times in a row. She did not become the president. So, i am so thrilled, gosh, The Feeling especially the contrast with the June 27th debate and this debate it left people euphoric today. That is a good thing to feel. Important thing to feel moving into november. But i also dont think that we can let that you know obscure the fact that it is incredibly close and that he might still win and we need to think about that. Yes t. Is probably, john, like the best you can hope for is a point or two probably coming out of this. Something like that, that would be a huge, huge gain. Yes, it is close. He could easily win. I think the difference between i heard the Hillary Clinton compareton, comparison. Hillary clinton between i heard the Hillary Clinton compareton, comparison. Hillary clinton was known and trump was the challenger. I think what we are seeing with the small slice of undecided voters this time is that they are interested in Kamala Harris, they dont. They dont know about her yes, they want to learn more about her and conflicted voter, the one you were talking about is someone that thinking i dont like Donald Trump, i think he is a jerk, offensive but i sort of remember his economy as better than the last four years and i think she is going to go after that voter by reminding everyone how dangerous he is and crazy he is but also saying here is what i am going to do for you and here is what i value and here are my plans who people know more about, where is the upside. It is a hopeful one in a lot of ways. Thank you, thank you both. 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Most candidates for president have better places to be after a Debate Tan their own Spin Room unless you did not perform that you feel you must get another word in edgewise. There was Donald Trump after the debate going from microphone to microphone to the set of Fox News like one of his Campaign Staff looking to change the narrative. Trump had a secret weapon. Deployed through the night and into this morning, lots of Mystery Poll numbers that only he can see. What made you come to the Spin Room . I just felt like i wanted to. I was happy with the result. We are looking at polls, the worst poll we had was 71 that i seen. We had a 92 rating in one poll. 8020 i told that to brett bear. We send him a lot of polls and sent you a lot of polls this morning. 86 rating and another one, 77 . One poll is 92 to 6. 92 7. Can you speak louder. 8811. All of the polls are 60, 70, 80. 863 wow. Every poll had me winning 90 10. Shout out poll who they thought won the debate Last Night it would be great. You know, we always do the poll at the End Mr. President. Why not do it while i am on the phone. The polls are indicating that 90 , 60 , 72 , 71 , and 89 . Where are you getting these numbers from . Yes, where you getting those numbers from . And Esteem Member of the Trump Brain Trust explained. Well, i have seen those polls, you know, they are not they are polls that you see on the internet. And a lot of them probably have statistical problems with them. Statistical problems with them. So, we know Donald Trump thinks he did great Last Night, what about the undecided Swing State voters we are always hearing about. Running focus groups with the voters since last Nights Debate. Here say taste of what they told her. A lot of the things that, you know, trump was, you know, criticizing and exploiting Joe Biden for now he is the old man that can not keep up. I think she was the clear winner. She was more president ial. He did a poor job of taking her bait. And allowing himself to get upset and caught up in different issues that we did not need to spend a lot of time on. I was pleasantly surprised at harris, many of us, we have not heard much from her. But she, she addressed most of the issues pretty well and she gave Donald Trump like what made other candidates couldnt, she was a Little Sa she was a Little Sarcastic and talking back to him which i appreciated. Reporter Executive Director of Accountability Project and Focus Group Podcast and she joins me now, Sara You Have Doing Focus Groups since the debate. What are your top ones . The the top lines. The top lines are that people think harris swept the floor with trump. I was interested in something that we heard in the group this morning four different people unprompted sort of on their own brought up that she seemed president ial. Which i think, that really encapsulates. Maybe some of it is sexism or if the Voice President is a big chair, whatever it is she cleared the bar and got a lot of the voters, these are voters pretty sure they dont like trump but they are looking for an affirmative reason to get behind Kamala Harris. She gave them that reason Last Night. They, and some of them thought she introduced new information, some said i did not know about the Immigration Bill that Donald Trump started. That was something that was interested to them. For a lot of the swing voters, immigration is a place where democrats are vulnerable. They liked she was talking about small businesses and i want to emphasize that, for these voters they are right leaning independents, soft gop voters. Last night she appealed to them directly. Policies, hawkish, talking about being a gun owner, focused on small businesses. She also specifically said during her abortion answer, hey, if you want to be part of our coalition regardless of your faith there is room for you here. She talked about liz and Dick Cheney and the staffers that endorsed her and making it clear this can be a candidacy for you. On someone that works on persuading voters going against trump and for harris i appreciate she made that specific in treaty to them. You wrote this earlier today in the atlantic about the Foreign Policy party. It is interesting and complicated. Most voters will tell you it is not the top issue when you poll it, it is low but at some level when people are talking about president ial or clearing that bar there is a vague sense that relates to being commander in chief or Foreign Policy. You said voters worry about harrisability stand up to dictator. Trump was a stand in for Putin And Xi and others that i spoke to said harris held her own. Say more about that. Reporter it is interesting. People often ask, Will America Vote for a woman for president . We asked that question of these voters a lot. We do hear a lot of people say, you know, i will vote for women, for senate, for the house but i worry about the precedency because you have to deal with these dictators, bullies, leaders from other Country Rows where they dont respect women, they are worried they will not respect a Woman Leader of the United States. This idea of Donald Trump, though, being a stand in for an autocrat. How she handled him was going to be, for many voters, a signal for how she would handle the bullies abroad. And i got that from a voter. A voter articulated that. I am interested in seeing how she handles trump because he is a lot like these other bully dictators. That to me was potent, i think that is true. People wanted to see she could handle him. The dominating performance she gave Last Night was something that got a lot of them over that mental hurdle. I want to read to you. This tweet, i want to read it to you because it is worth engaging. If she wants to win harris needs to train her face not to respond. It feeds into a female Stereo Type and Risks Offender undecided voters. A lot of people are like, you know buzz off. Politely. But, you know, again, i dont know the mind of an undecided voter, maybe they feel that way. I am curious if that, that showed up for you at all . Look, i do think there is this underlying i dont know if i would go so far as Sexism Or Concern women are not tough enough. Frank is not enough to suggest times you are being overly dramatic with your face it could work against you in a situation like this where you really do want to project a kind of serious president ial demeanor. That being said i did get into it with frank because i thought Kamala Harris with her face, was restrained and was oftentimes reflecting in her face what many of us who were sitting there listening to the rantings of a lunatic. If we were standing 10 feet from him we would be making those faces and much, much more. So, i thought that, she handled it perfectly well. I certainly better in every way than Donald Trumps glowering cranky, unhinged, absolutely unpresident ial unpresident ial look. Thanks. That is all in on this Wednesday Night that is all in on this Wednesday Night