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The last hour, shows Kamala Harris has improved upon Joe Bidens numbers. In a aa ballot, 49 of respondents said they would vote for harris and her running mate Tim Walz compared to 44 for donald Trump And J. D. Vance. While those results should give democrats some comfort that Harris Campaign has been effective, those numbers are still within the margin of error and that is important to always recognize when looking at polls. With thousands of early votes cast, and many more Absentee Ballots arriving in mailboxes in the coming days, both campaigns are taking a more aggressive stance in these final weeks of the race. Following her wellreceived Debate Performance just 12 days ago, Kamala Harris is seeking to do it again and face trump at least one more time. Her campaign announced yesterday the democratic nominee accepted a proposed Cnn Debate scheduled for october 23rd, less than two weeks before election day. Now that is basically a dare for Donald Trump, whos insisted that actually he won the last debate and it doesnt intend to do anymore. A point he reiterated during his Rally Yesterday. The problem with another debate it is too late. Voting has already started. She had a chance to do it with fox. You know fox invited us on and i waited and waited. They turned it down. They turned it down, but now she wants to do a debate before the election with cnn because she is losing badly. It is too late to do another. I would love to in many ways but it is too late, the voting is cast. That rally was held in wilmington, North Carolina, a Swing State were both campaigns are spending time and money ahead of november. It is also the focus of the political world, to a new scandal involving offensive and salacious comments made in the past by the Gops Nominee for governor, mark robinson, which were uncovered and meticulously traced to him by cnn. Robinson has denied the Cnn Report saying quote, the things you will see in that story, those are not the words of mark robinson, end quote, referring to himself in the third person. Notably trump did not mention robinson or his predicament at all during the Rally Yesterday and robin then, whos currently the States Lieutenant Governor what conspicuously absent from the event attended by a number of other North Carolina Republican Lawmakers and officials. The former president has not pulled his endorsement of robinson yet, whom he previously referred to as quote, Martin Luther King on steroids, end quote. Although trump appears to be ignoring the problem for now, robinsons adult could be a liability for trumps own bid to return to the white house. Especially as many voters have expressed a desire to move on from his brand of divisive politics. In many ways, robinson represents follies of trumpism and the era of republican politics. Time again he said and done things that prove his unfitness of office and he felt upward, unlike a certain residential nominee. It is no wonder the democrats feel good about chances in North Carolina. Harris campaign looking to seize on Robinson Scandal to target serve urban women and republicans who said they are tired and it turned off by trump and his followers. It presents a vulnerability for trump in a state that was considered the most vulnerable for republicans this election cycle. But if polls are correct and the election is as close as the last one, that means tens of millions of americans still believe trumpism has a place in this country. Trumps defeat alone may not solve the polarization that is poisoning our democracy over the last decade, especially if congress continues to remain as divided as it is and the Publics Trust in the Supreme Court continues to weaken which means theres still plenty of work to do. Denny me now is timothy snyder, professor of history and global affairs that yale University And Author of Brandnew Book on freedom, as well as a Selling Book on tyranny, 20 lessons from the 20th century. Professor snyder, good to see you again. Thank you for being with us. I want to talk about your new book because in the preface of that you wrote, freedom is not just an absence of evil but a present of good. You write that in regard to a story of an elderly ukrainian woman whose house was destroyed by russians but in fact it is a much broader idea that also applies to the competing rhetoric in our campaigns, here. Tell me about this idea. Let me start from the beginning. We tend to think about freedoms being against things. Freedom as being tearing down a wall or tearing down that Barbed Wire or moving that oppression or making the government small. And of course theres something to that. Sometimes you do have to resist. But the reason you are resisting is because you are you. The reason why the walz are problem and Barbed Wire is a problem is the person behind it. So being against things is the beginning. You have to know what you are for. Being angry isnt the right first appeared being joyous is the right first step. We should be happy about the things we care about and we should care about freedom because it is the thing which allows us to realize all the other good things in The World. Freedom is positive. So in the case of ukraine, as you mentioned, her village was occupied but her house was completely destroyed. She had not been liberated until a bus comes to her house. That is what positive freedom is about. We have to be against bad things but we also have to cooperate and build up the good things. I want to take us further with a particularly powerful passage in your book that stuck out to me, and as you know i am a believer in individuals taking control and having their agency. You have written in your book, americans are told we were given freedom by our founding fathers. Our national character and capitalist economy. None of this is true. Freedom cannot be given, it is not an inheritance, we call america a free country but no country is free, only people can be free. If we believe something else makes us free, we never learn what we must do. The moment you believe freedom is given, it is gone. I feel this is a remarkably salient, relevant point. Right now, heading into this really important election about you and your agency and your control over your freedoms. Thank you very much for saying that. I am glad that you think that because i agree. It is always true. It is always true that no one else can give you freedom and we as americans sometimes fall into the trap of believing that if we use the Word Freedom enough we are going to be free. If we refer to the economy or refer to the constitution or refer to exceptionalism, that is enough. But that is a trap. The moment you think the way you talk about freedom means you are free, you are done for. The moment you think it comes from outside or from somebody else you are asking for authoritarianism. Right now we are in a moment where people can look around and say, this stakes are high. We are looking at pledging ourselves into four years of chaos and perhaps the end of the republic or the possibility of having broader horizons, a brighter future, freedom and a sense of better possibilities which we can realize together. Ken burns was with the last hour and one of the things we spoke about was his upcoming film about The American Revolution which will be released next year ahead of americas 250th birth day. Listen for a moment about a conversation we had during the interview. I did worry that in 2026 we might be sort of consumed by a sentimental nostalgia, Fife And Drum stuff. And what is good is The American Revolution started in 1775, so the 250th would come a year before, for the actual beginning of the revolution and we can get to understand this period that we sort of protected. Curiously, in your book you write about your Childhood Memory of the bicentennial in 1976 and called the bicentennial quote, a tricky idea for a child. What did you mean about that and how it relates the 250th is not its own thing it is how we are all thinking about the upcoming milestone in american history, given politics of the moment. The book is all about, in a way that 7076 to 2026 and how things could get much better by then. It is about how the possibilities are implicit in our history could be realized. I started with a scene of me as a child ringing a bell and my thinking of the Liberty Bell because it was 1976, the bicentennial. I was six years old at the time. I knew some things but the idea is tricky because it makes you think, so long as the past was right, the future will be right and as long as i feel, other people feel free and i still love that Bell Comet is still there. I love the farm where i ring that Bell Comet is still there. But you learn things. Democracy and freedom are about Self Correction and now i know the Liberty Bell wasnt called that. The Liberty Bell was named that later by abolitionists. It was named that later by people in the Womens Suffrage Movement that the Liberty Bell stands for the aspiration to make ever more people free in a flawed republic. And that is an example. How we should think about history generally. You cannot find an ideal actor in the past, 1975, 1976. You have to think they were rebels in their time, try to improve things in their time. We have to be rebels and make the future better than the present. That is what freedom is. What a great idea. People say, what can i do about the political situation and i will tell them, Tim Snyder said you can be rebels in your own time. The aspiration to make ever more people free is something we can do right now. Tim, you are always inspiring. The time can get gloomy when you talk about politics all the time but you leave me with things we can do and for that i am personally grateful to you. Timothy snyder is history at author of brandnew important and inspirational book on freedom, as well as the best Selling Book on tierney, 20 lessons from the 20th century. Still ahead, Donald Trumps bullying of jewish voters and the demonization of muslims is not an accident, it is a strategy. We will talk about what hes trying to accomplish and how to resist it, ahead. I have a message for every immigrant in this country. You dont just belong here, this country needs you. Ou y. Did you know, how you feel can be affected by the bacteria in your gut . Try new align yogurt coated Probiotic Fruit Bites. 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When asked why einstein had left germany and settled in the united states he said quote, as long as i have any choice, i will only stay in a country where the local liberty, Toleration And Equality of all citizens, before the law, is the role, end quote. At the time, radio was the most important medium for households in the united states. It was the most efficient way for americans to receive news and information. Many listened for three or four hours a day, so one president lindy Roosevelts Administration wanted to start Demoting Tolerance toward immigrants, it turned to using radio broadcasts. The immigration and Naturalization Service started a weekly program called, im an american, which featured interviews with distinguished naturalized citizens like Albert Einstein, who appeared on the program the day he passed his test. Listeners tuned in every sunday to hear wellknown names talked about their journey to becoming a citizen and the reasons why they found america to be so great. Some people considered it up again to but at the end of the day, this was fdrs way of trying to convince a reluctant american population to accept immigrants and remind americans of the value of citizenship. The Radio Show actually stemmed from i am an american day, which is the celebration of the rights and responsibilities of citizenship. Historians traced the observance back to 1938, it evolved over the years and in 1952 congress signed a Resolution Renaming it, citizenship day, which is observed on September 17th every year. Citizenship day is a day to honor those who made the conscious choice to become an American Citizen, to assert americas values as a nation, built on immigrants. And this past week i had the honor of delivering the Keynote Address at a Naturalization Ceremony at the national Constitution Center in philadelphia on citizenship day. As stood as warty people from many seven countries took the oath of citizenship, the same oath i had the privilege of taking nine years ago when i became a u. S. Citizens. U. S. Citizen. Is a privilege many take for granted. A privilege i initially took for granted. But being in the room with all those people beaming with pride reminded me once again of the rights, responsibilities and esteem of being an American Citizen. Is not easy to become a citizen of the country. The process takes time and effort. Many overcome much adversity to do so, often escaping persecution. All for the hope of a choosing of achieving The American Dream. The Dream Isnt always necessarily a lofty one. For many, the dream of simply finding a job, having a roof over their head, being part of a safe and secure community, enjoying the rights and responsibilities of our constitution. The real american dream is a what happens to the immigrant who becomes a citizen but rather what becomes of this country when immigrants choose to become citizens. America is a better, stronger nation because of the people who make that journey. The united states is a beacon of innovation, Creativity And Ingenuity due in large part to our Track Record of welcoming the best and brightest and hardest working immigrants. Our universities are considered the best in The World. They attract the smartest people in The World. That includes countless down immigrants and when they graduate, they will be brilliant minds that create companies and businesses that employ americans and advance our standing on The World stage. The strength of our economy depends on immigrant population. Study after study finds immigration fosters investment, drives up wages and creates more jobs for allamericans. That is in part, why we should embrace immigration as a vital part of our economys health. But so as not to make the immigration same transactional, immigrants, you belong here. Your existence in america and your contributions to our society are necessary to continue on as a healthy and prosperous nation. Citizenship is a day celebrated every year on September 17th. You may recognize that date. It is the day you the united States Constitution was assigned. And that is not a coincidence. Citizenship Day And Constitution day are celebrated together. An appropriate pairing because the constitution is the charter that established america as a new nation, a new democracy, one built by immigrants. What america needs more than anything right now from immigrants is their courage. Because all americans, whether natural born or naturalized, have the same obligation to keep our democracy strong. Being a citizen is one thing, it is a piece of Paper And Right to vote. True citizenship is muscle that you used to sustain democracy and to make this country better than you found it. 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Trump and Republican Allies are spreading lies and disinformation every day about illegal boating. Claiming the bill would crackdown on Noncitizens Voting in the elections. The truth, of course, is Noncitizens Voting is already illegal and is not a problem. Republicans have not pointed to any evidence that it is a problem. Because it isnt. But republican House Speaker Mike Johnson, beautifully tied the Save Act to the continuing resolution which is a must pass all that funds the government and avoids a shutdown on october 1st. The idea is to force democrats to pass this Voter Suppression Bill or the government shuts down. If you are wondering why republicans are so invested in this particular boating, here is one theory. If you look closely, the Save Act, which targets one Democrat Rick demographic of voters, women. Think about it, when women get married, if they choose a new last name it requires updating legal documents such as Drivers License or passport with her new name and many women dont go through with that for malady. They dont need to our certainly dont need to write away. As Thom Hartmann writes, what would the lord require citizens who want to vote to do, lacking a passport or other proof of citizenship with their married names, they must produce a Birth Certificate with the seal of the state it is issued, no copies allowed or current of identification, both with the same name on it. This could disqualify about 90 of all married women, without passports or other proof that matches Birth Certificates or proof of legal name change, and quote. Joining me is Thom Hartmann, host of the Radio Show, the Thom Hartmann program, author of the hartman report, author of books including forthcoming hidden history of The American Dream, the demise of the middle class and how to rescue our future. Good to see you again, thank you for being with us. It is such a pleasure, thank you for having me. I want to share another line from your piece i quoted in which he writes, by coincidence, republicans would suggest this moment in history that millions of american women are seriouslyoff at the gop and republicans will tell you that has nothing to do with Donald Trump and Mike Johnson threatening to shut down the government if they dont go along with the requirements for women to vote, and quote. Women have lots of reasons to be annoyed right now, so it doesnt come as a surprise that Donald Trump and the team might think it interesting to suppress their vote. This is all relatively recent. I think most people dont realize how these things creep up on us and we think of them as normal. The first voter i. D. Law in the united states, was passed in an indiana in a 2006. Prior to that, we checked biometrics basically. You registered to vote and signed a card and when you voted they would check your signature. I realize we are conflating voting with registering to vote but nonetheless, the process is kind of the same thing. What we have found since 2006, with i. D. Laws, is basically they suppressed of the vote. They suppressed the vote of people who did not have access to i. D. An republicans, even to register to vote, want to up the ante and frankly, National Organization For Women looked at this Brandon Zenner Study and concluded about 34 of married women would have a real struggle coming up with the kind of i. D. Necessary in order to register to vote in many states. As you said, disassociate boating from registering to vote and ultimately there does need a registration process. As you note for most women in that situation, they would still be able to register to vote, assuming they had lead time to understand what the requirements would be. That it would be a drawn out process. I think you and i shared a view, and you are a student not only of history in the united states and around The World in a place where people have for the right to vote, allowing them to vote should be as easy as possible and if you are not fighting an actual problem, which we are not with Noncitizens Voting, making it harder to vote is frankly undemocratic. It is crazy, and most of the european countries, and in many countries around The World, i have not done a survey but when i wrote my book on boating three years ago, we looked at this. And in most countries around The World, you are put on the Boating Roles essentially at birth, you are not literally put on the Voting Rolls at birth but the country registers the fact you are here and you are a citizen at birth and when you become voting age, which is typically 18, automatically i sent a ballot or your voter i. D. Or whatever. You went to this in canada. When you lived there. And people who grew up in europe know this. In fact, we have one state, i believe North Carolina where registration is not even a thing. You just show up, you show your Drivers License, yes, i live here. Back in the 70s and 80s when i lived in michigan, you would just bring your utility bill. You just had to show it, you know. And the other thing that is crazy about it, and as you noted, it is a fiveyear felony in most states to illegally, and also a federal alan need to vote if you are noncitizen. It literally has never been a problem in america, whatever. But that is a great set up for the lie 2. 0, that i didnt lose the election because all of these immigrants, who Donald Trump said it, they come to this country, dont know what country they are in, Cant Speak english and yet somehow can navigate the system that allows them to register to vote and cast a ballot, despite the fact they dont speak english and dont know what country they are in. That is a Strawman Argument or Red Herring argument, or a little bit of both. This is an attempt to number one, to demonize minority groups, which is the principal point at. Number two, the wonderful Side Effect of making it harder for women to vote, harder for lower income people to vote, harder for people who move a lot and may have lost their Birth Certificate and things, to vote. And then you go back to 1980, where the cofounder of the Heritage Foundation is speaking to a group of republican activists in a Church Basement in dallas and he was working on the reagan campaign. And came right out and said it, i dont want whats with this government stuff, i dont want everyone to vote. Frankly our leverage in the election goes up as the Voting Populace goes down. And since 1980 the republican party has been taking that to heart and we had Operation Eagle Eye before that. But it wasnt quite as well institutionalized as this huge lie that there are all these immigrants coming in and they are illegally wanting to vote and they are Voting And Swinging elections. Theres literally never been any evidence. And trump had an operation in the white house, to find these people and could not find them. Because they are not there. Thanks as always. Tom hartman is host of the Tom Heartburn program, author of books including the hidden history of The American Dream which comes out next month. We will be discussing it with him. Donald trumps rhetoric is not a recipe for winning over voters but there is a strategy to what hes doing and we will talk about why he is targeting two groups in particular. Parti why use 10 buckets of water when you can use 1 fire extinguisher. And to fight heartburn, why take 10 antacids throughout the day when you can take 1 prilosec. For easier heartburn relief, one beats ten. Prilosec otc. One pill. 24 hours. Zero heartburn. Life has twists and curls. But you define them and make them bounce. Tresemme flawless curls defining mousse. 24 hour. Hydrating curl definition. Style your life the way you want. 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We had no idea how much these authors and their stories would resonate with all of you. In the last 100 meetings, one thing has become very clear. Books are powerful. Fiction is supposed to be an escape that if you write about topics like i choose to, what you do is get readers invested in a story and characters, and by the time the last pages are turned, you force them to confront an issue that may be they didnt want to confront. And youve done in a way that allows them to look at all sides of the situation. We have so many predilections to want to belong in things. I think fiction, in every way, fiction is a great way to invest. The complexity and you tunnel toward the universal, through the individual and that is what you celebrate so well in this bookclub. I think that is the best way to try to understand what people have gone through in the past and what people are going through in other cultures and even other planets if you believe Science Fiction can execute that stuff. Unfortunately there are thousands of banned and challenged titles and even more added every single day. We will have to keep reading as resistance. For 100 meeting next weekend i will be joined by one of the founding members of the lc Ban Bookclub and author of freedom and major voice in the fight to access books. George johnson, the author of all boys arent blue. You can also revisit your favorite books and learn about new ones by listening to the Velshi Ban Bookclub podcast. The first episodes of season two are available now. Follow and listen rev you get your podcasts. We will be right back. When we the People Speaker 2 hey. Speaker 1 unite speaker 3 hey. Speaker 1 we heal. Thats why st. Jude is asking you to stand with us against Childhood Cancer because our cause unites all. Join st. Jude this september for Childhood Cancer awareness month. Type 2 diabetes . Discover the ozempic® trizone. I got the power of 3. I lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. 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You cant let this happen. 80 is not acceptable in my opinion. The jewish people would have a lot to do with a loss, if i am at 40 . What Donald Trump said there, it is ugly, it is anti semitic. As if Jewish Americans are incapable of making their own decisions or should, as a group be beholden to a political party or candidate. And while the statements is the broader Champion Pattern of demanding Credit And Praise even when none is due, it also fits into the authoritarian pattern of Scapegoating Minority groups. Not to mention according to a 2023 poll from pew research center, there are many fewer Jewish Americans who identify as republicans than there are democrats, and 29 to 69 . So its opportunity to blame the event of a loss baked in. And just before trump took the stage on thursday, the Women Woman who introduced him, tried another Voter Outreach gambit. Holy obligation. All of us jews must vote for him. It is our sacred duty in gratitude for everything he has done. These comments, the ideas that jews have a sacred duty to vote republican work in tandem with the Rapid Islamophobia on the right. With the intended effect of pitting jews and Muslim American voters against one another. Two days before trump said american jews were obliged to vote republican, Down The Street at the u. S. Capitol, Louisiana Senator John Kennedy had this exchange with an expert witness, the director of the Arab American Institute. You support hamas, do you not quite senator, oddly enough im going to say thank you for that question because it demonstrates the purpose of our hearing today. Start with yes or no. Hamas is a foreign Terrorist Organization i do not support that you asking the Executive Director of the Arab American Institute that question puts the focus on the issue of hate. I got your answer and i appreciate it. What is the you support has black, too, dont you . Again, i find this line of questioning extra nearly disappointing. 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Call today before the break we spoke about the antisemitic and islamophobic frederick annotating american politics. More on this i am joined by the host of the day should show and Sirius Xm and author of the deans report on Sub Stack and columnist for the msnbc daily newsletter. Peter is editor at large of Jewish Currents at msnbc political analyst and the author of the upcoming book, Being Jewish after the destruction of gaza. Which we will talk to him about that as well. Thank you for being here. Peter, we will start with you. The Trump Stuff is weird, man. It is not just saying you as a group, that would be normal, saying you as a group should support me or saying you should support me because of x, why, z. The sport is not only on a threat that you should support me but that feeling of putting it out there and if i lose by the way, for those of you who want to support me, it is the jews. It fits a pattern with trump is that he doesnt see people who are not white christian americans as truly american. Talk about the Mexican American judge in indiana, as mexican. Hes never been able to get it through his head that american jews are american. They may care about israel but the vast majority of them actually will vote against Donald Trump because they think he is bad for america. But Trump Kind of cant get that through his head and it is a way of saying, you are not real americans, you are israeli and why are you not voting for what i think is best for israel. And that could ultimately, and it could be dangerous for every jew in america. Trump offers jews, additional citizenship. You can be white in my view and enjoy the winning side of this white judeochristian nation and we will be supreme and if you agree with that, things will be great. If you dont, we treat you like we treat muslims and immigrants and the problem that Trump Cant understand is why most american jews wont accept the bargain. The reason we wont accept the bargain is that we understand from our history that our fate is bound up with other people with a history of execution. And democracy. Dean, Senator Kennedy interviewing maia barry, who you know, supposed to be the Expert Testimony in a hearing about hate and starts with haight. Literally, said things that were untrue. You dont condemn hamas and she immediately condemned hamas but that is the burden of being a muslim or arab. Every conversation needs to start with that, even people on the record as saying they dont support neither hamas or October 7th attack, nor any of that stuff. But kennedy could not get past that. She said i Cant Support hamas, like americans dont support a terrorist group. He said you still support hamas. Like i am half sicilian and have a temper. It would not have been pleasant. John kennedy sounds like someone during jim crow, southern White Supremacist talking about black people and their place and how dare this woman would talk to us about Hate Crimes against the muslim community and arab community that is skyrocketing over the last eight or nine months. We saw killed while stabbing to death because of fox news. That is The World we live in. One Adjusting Thing about trump and what youre talking about, 2016, trump made muslims one of the primary targets and call for a ban, you dont hear that. Even the Travel Ban doesnt mention muslims. You know why, hes transactional even in his bigotry. Jared kushner got 2 Billion from the saudi. He got hundreds of millions of dollars from saudi arabia. If you are a group hes demonizing, gather your money and give it to Donald Trump the best people ever, these muslims. He does not badmouth muslims now. Hes transactional even in bigotry. The interesting thing that got a lot of gasping was the last sentence where he said, you should put your head in a bag. Ive got to say that was jarring to me, and im used to people saying a lot of racist things. The arrogance and the stupidity, the sheer stupidity of this. It is just appalling that there are people like this in the u. S. Senate. And you notice that he said, you dont condemn hamas as if hamas and are the same thing. Hamas is a violent organization. Is a u. N. Humanitarian. Health clinics and they teach kids in school. The fact, i cant say she doesnt know what the Acronym Stands for. It is appalling and rarely do you even have a muslim or Arab American testifying, that they dont see this generally because they are not given a platform and when they do, you see the depth of the bigotry and the idiocy of some of the people represented. Heres the thing, if you are a white nationalist, pitting muslims and jews against one another, which has been active over the last year, is widely successful. It is the same model every racist has ever used, same in come only on the him. Colonialism. When we look at it, most think it is abhorrent and have been part of the battle against it. I live across from the jcc where theres always a sign that talks about all hate is hate and when we are silent in the face of that we are all culpable. In the same way, that most arabs and muslims have no inherent reason to be anti semitic or dislike jews. But this formula of getting everybody to hate each other is effective. It only some of this, for the white nationalist, and within our communities, we have so much more in common. In america as minority faiths, about 30 of muslims voted for Donald Trump in 2020. The same percentage of jews. We understand if you come out at one group and hey jews, you probably hate muslims. Its not like somebody is saying i hate the muslims but i hate the jews. Were in this battle together. Martin Luther King famously said we are in mutual Dennis To destiny. Martin Luther Kings point, including the day he died was that whether you are poor and white or poor and black, the same boot is on your neck and that is the same thing as it relates to islamophobia and antisemitism, generally speaking. Absolutely. If newer immigrants to the u. S. And particularly muslims, not only haitian americans, all the People Trump is going after, if trump succeeds in demonizing these people and eroding their rights, this becomes a much less safe company country. Think about the shooter a tree of life, he didnt start out hating jews, he started as being obsessed with the immigrant caravan and decided the jews were bound up in that. So often, they are interlinked and that is why we need to come together. Bernie sanders, he was a candidate, ali the candidate that stated or support from Muslim American than any other national campaign in recent years and the people care that he was a jew . No, he had a common vision of just and equal america. Do you think that people are falling for this . The dont seem to be moving. No extra views for Donald Trump and no extra muslims. I dont think muslims are many different than 2020. Those who wanted Tax Cuts or whatever, they of Northern California in san francisco. Discuss megabook small abilities of courage with the Founder Mr. Tickets are available at the Societys Website and then on tuesday, october 15th, im going back home to toronto for ramsey talks to discuss small acts of courage and the u. S. Election with My Old Friend the Cbc Veteran Correspondent susan. Well be at the hall at the Royal Conserve Tour Odd music and tickets are available at the Website And Hope to see you there. 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