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He is peddie. He is vindictive. And he is cruel. Donald trump is not fit to lead this good and great nation. Liz cheney and Kamala Harris making the case to republican voters. Together, i know we can et chart a new way forward. Not as members of any one party, but as americans. Tonight as republicans try to whitewash the attack on the capitol, two of the Police Officers injured that date join me live. Spent your lies are well documented. These convictions are serious. I am convinced you would do it all over again if you could. Justice for one of the people who try to overthrow the 2020 election as Jack Smith lays out the case against Donald Trump. He lied. He lied, he lied, he lied. The alternate reality pushed by trump and his Running Mate when all in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. We have been watching this scene in wisconsin, the birthplace of the republican party, and its a place where former Republican Congresswoman Liz Cheney just joined Kamala Harris, Vice President , for a joint campaign appearance. Taking to the stage amidst chance of thank you, less. I tell you, i have never voted for a democrat. But this year, i am proudly casting my vote for Vice President Kamala Harris. As we meet here today, upper be public faces a threat unlike any we have faced before. A former president who attempted to stay in power by unraveling the foundations of our republic by refusing to accept the lawful results confirmed by dozens of courts of the 2020 election. We cannot turn away from this truth. In the selection, putting patriotism ahead of partisanship is not an aspiration. It is our duty. To state the obvious, dont agree with a lot of Liz Cheneys politics and i imagine a lot of you feel the same. I oppose just about everything she has advocated for in the course of her public life except one thing. The most important thing. This is someone who put her whole political career for future of the republican party, a party to which she was born. An aris in a sense. She put it on the line for or American Democracy. Someone who believes Donald Trump is the unique threat. Donald trump was willing to sacrifice our Dick Cheney allow Law Enforcement officers to be beaten and brutalized in his name, and to violate the law and the constitution in order to seize power for himself. I dont care if you are a democrat or a republican or an independent. That is depravity, and we must t never become numb to it. Any person who would do these things can never be trusted with power again. The Health And Future of American Democracy is clearly on the ballot this election. Just because something is important like whether we will be w a democracy or not, doesn mean its good campaign fodder. There is reason to believe thatr just like two years ago, running on this core message, we are americans. We are a democracy and want to keep it going, thats a winning message. This is a graph from 2022, the Greenline Shows president Bidens Approval Rating from the time he took office in 2021 to september 2022. You can see it was going steadily down until The End of that summer, 2022, when it picks up and reverses course. Ck see that tick up there . This trend came in the wake of the supreme Courts Decision at The End of june overturning roe v. Wade. Of course, for the course, millions of americans watched eight hearings held by the January 6 committee. With the midterm elections approaching, President Biden and democrats saw the mood of Tn The Country was in they ran on a those issues, abortion and democracy. Remember just ahead of labor day weekend, remember this speech . President biden delivered this primetime address in front of independence hall, warning that our democracy was at stake. For a long time, we have told ourselves that American Democracy is guaranteed. But, it is not. We have to defend it. Protect it. Stand up for it. Each and every one of us. That is why tonight i am asking our nation to come together, unite behind the singlepurpose of defending our democracy regardless of your ideology. [ applause ] remember at the time, the discourse around this. It was not clear if that message would work. Sort of an open question. There were people out there who thought it was out of Touch Or Tone deaf or elitist that real people really only cared about grocery prices. They were wrong. Biden and democrats defy the expectations of pulled off a historic win for a still relatively unpopular incumbent president. The Democrats Bet and one go two years ago on the idea that its condescending to think that ordinary people, plumbers, cabdrivers, teachers, nurses dont understand or care about democracy. Thats too highfalutin for them . Working people deal without a lot of money and people without formal education, they are smart. In fact, the reason we have a democracy in the first place is because we trust that All Of Us can make these decisions. I think the majority of people of all different kinds of walks of life, different levels of formal education, credentials, dont want a dictatorship. I think if you force the issue in those terms, the pro Democracy Side wins. That was the Message And Workedw in 2022 and so here we are again this time around, The Other Side knows, believe me they know, that January 6, the images of the man bashing the cops brains in, the attempt To S Overthrow The American Republic is a enormous political viability. Instead of admitting to it, they are desperately trying to run away from it. Did he lose a 2020 election . Tim, im focused on the future. Did Kamala Harris Censor Americans from speaking their mind in the wake of the 2020 covid situation . That is a damning nonanswer. That is a damning nonanswer. The republican House Whip has been running around blaming the media, its the medias fault, for being obsessed with Donald Trumps attempted coup. Did you think you would get that question . Did you talk about how to answer the 2020 question . 0 listen, this is a, again, answered it. T. You dont like the answer but he answered it. This is something you folks in the media want to focus on a regular basis. The american people, and thank Goodness J. D. Vance Donald Trump, focused on the election and how to fix x this country. Again, we are talking about an i election that will take place in 35 days. What are you doing talking, something that four years ago . Donald trump is still talking about it with all due respect. The people are hurting. That is a tell. You dont have to be particularly read in politics to understand the gentleman on the right doesnt want to talk about it because its bad for him. The guy who is his boss effectively summoned a violent mob to end American Democracy. Want to change the subject because they understand the majority of the country wants to preserve American Democracy. Donald trump himself is a different story. He is too obsessed with the whole thing to ever drop it. It was a rigged election. You have to tell Kamala Harris, thats why i am doing it again. If i thought i lost, wouldnt be doing this again. You know where i would be . On the beaches of Monte Carlo or someplace. You see that little thing we put on the screen to let you know . That was today. Were not running file footage. Today in saginaw, michigan, a few days after Tom Emmer was yelling how the media is obsessed about it Donald Trump is talking about the recollection. Theres a reason it does not work and its what the pro Democracy Message has been no matter the background, education level, our positions have thinks, i think americans believe fundamentally, majority of is one the democratic experiment to continue. Here we are 33 days to go. Trump and his authoritarian names on the ballot once again. J. D. Vance pledging to do whatever it takes on Donald Trumps behalf up to and including overturning elections. Hes on the record. With the help of the supreme court, trump is trying to wipe his crimes against the country from voters minds. On the debate stage, his Running Mate refused to tell tens of millions of americans if he would help Donald Trump to it again. In the last 24 hours, we have t new evidence from special prosecutor Jack Smith on Hoffer Trump was willing to go to foment the coup in January 6. Tonight, the birthplace of the republican party, Liz Cheney stood up to remind as he is really going to try to do it again. If we come together as a prop democracy coalition, we can stop it. We have a shared commitment. A shared commitment as americans to ensuring that future generations live in a nation where power is transferred peacefully. Where our leaders are men and women of good faith and where our public servants set aside partisan battles to do what is right for this country. I ask you to meet this moment. I ask you to stand in truth, to reject the depraved cruelty of Donald Trump. I may live to eat these words. I dont know the future and No One Else does. I am willing to put my faith on the american people in this argument that we want to be a democracy. And not a Donald Trump dictatorship. Officer Michael Fanone and the sergeant were both Police Officers and defended the capitol on January 6. He has toured the country with a group speaking out against american extremism and the author of hold the line, the insurrection one cants battle for american soul. Is a Council Marriage Author of american shield, the surgeon who defended democracy and a new oped titled January 6 was one of the worst days of my life, and i do not want to see it happen again. They both join me now. Its wonderful to have you here. Sergeant, let me start with you and get your reaction to two things j. D. Vance said. First that he would not say who won the 2020 election and then even more audacious lie where he said, for all the whining you democrats are doing, they peacefully transferred power in january 20, so its a big deal . Thank you for having me. To that, i say January 6 was not peaceful. Peaceful is doing a handshake and wishing the other party well. For the good of the country. January 6, which we encountered was the violence that maga republicans in the former president , the leading candidate who now is proposing to do it all over again on another January 6. All the sacrifices we did to protect those elected officials, j. D. Vance was not there at the capitol on January 6, fortunately for him. I could see him running just like Josh Hawley did on January 6 while we were protecting them from being harmed. Its a desecration of our sacrifices that we did on that day. I want to get your thoughts of what went through your mind w as you saw j. D. Vance very blithely dismissed the whole thing. Spirit j. D. Vance is a liar. He is Donald Trumps useful idiot and he will Say Anything to appease Donald Trump. At The End of the day, what ive come to learn about j. D. Vance is he is a pure opportunist. He is looking to further his own political career, just like so many other republicans in m this moment, that Donald Trump is dangerous. Who know that Donald Trump is a disgrace. But they are willing to allow themselves will pay fealty to him to further their l own political careers so at The End of the day, like i said, j. D. Vance is a liar. January 6 was brutal. It was violent. Law enforcement Officers Were severely beaten. Myself and Sergeant Aguilino gonell included. That is the reality of January 6. Sergeant aguilino gonell, want to quote from your oped then asked. Patriotism is in targeting Noncitizen Voting which is extremely rare. Its defending democracy from the threats of extremism and the possibility of another January 6. Youre an immigrant who served your adopted country, served this nation, you work as a Capitol Police Officer and defended the capitol on the day. As you watch this demonization of immigrants from the people that want to be in power once again, this scaremongering, file libel, and the Memory Hauling of January 6, what do you think . Spin i mean, its unfortunately, they have even tried to pass the Save Act Ie which is a Maga Project 2025 project. Legislation they want to pass where immigrants will be stripped of their naturalization. Protected status, legal status. Its very unfortunate. Here i am, possibly the Poster Child of what republican used to say of the type of immigrant they want in this country. Somebody who comes here legally, somebody gets an education, somebody who would join the military. Somebody who would go to war and then come back and become a Police Officer and continue to defend the nation. On the Capitol Steps and instead of saying thank you for your service and i am glad to nd have you here, they have not even sat down with either myself, Michael Fanone or the other Capitol Police Officers who defended the capitol to say, tell us about your experience and we will support you. When they say they support the police, thats a nice slogan that i dont buy any more. They support every other cops, everyer Police Officer except f Capitol Police and those who responded on January 6 to protect the elected officials who were running for their lives because the mob that their candidate, their leader sent to attack on January 6. That is infuriating that they scapegoat the immigrants like myself. Michael, gotten to know you a little bit over the past few years and we talked a bit. I want to ask about this idea which is a little insidious, i , dont know, only out of Touch Elites care about democracy. Defending democracy. You are from maryland and you u lived in a rural area and a conservative area and you were a baltimore Police Officer worked undercover. I think you were a badetective one point. I wonder what you think about wo that idea that real people dont care about this. This is a concern of cloistered elites. No disrespect to baltimore city police, but i was in d. C. Listen, i dont know when i went to the capitol January 6, the furthest thing on my mind was protecting democracy. I went to the capitol to support my fellow officers, Officers W who were screaming Distress Calls over the radio because they were assaulted by Donald Trumps supporters. In the aftermath of January 6, obviously, ive come to understand much better what our democracy is, what it takes to sustain it. I think many americans have been educated in the aftermath of January 6 about how fragile democracy is. Liz cheney talked about it in her speech this evening about how democracy is something that each generation is going to have to Ante Up and kick in. I think this moment is our Generations Moment in which we now recognize this threat posed by Donald Trump and Insurrectionist Candidate for president. And his supporters who are insurrectionist members of Congress And Insurrectionist members of the republican party. How much of a threat they pose to our democracy, and i think americans will rise to the occasion and they will deliver him the defeat on november 5. Thank you for correcting and apologies. Your valor in their favor. Go ahead. One thing a lot of people need to get straight. Wanting to hold the former president for his violent interference in the transfer of power in the last election does not equate interference for the next one. The other day, he himself has been the one trying to delay the process of holding him accountable to the court system. Its up to All Of Us, the voters, to repudiate that type of Violence Behavior and conduct for anybody, from any candidate. We should do everything possible, and thats why we do what we do, working with courage for america to hold and spread the word that this political rhetoric should be not Sergeant Aguilino Gonell And Officer Michael Fanone, thank you both. 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Former mesa County Clerk Tina Peters was found not guilty the and sentenced to nine years behind bars and connection efforts to breach the Election Data in colorado. In the sentencing hearing, the judge called her a charlatan and said she had no remorse for her crimes. Your lies are well documented and these convictions are serious. I am convinced you would do it all over again if you could. You are is define a defendant as this court has ever seen. You are no hero. You abused your position and you are a charlatan and using your prior position in office to pedal snake all thats proven to be junk time and time again. Your world its all about you. It was about your corrupt conduct and how no one is above the law. No one in this country has absolute power. You abdicated your position as a servant to the constitution when you choose you over all else. Yes, you are a charlatan. You cannot help but lie as easy as it is for you to breathe. You betrayed your oath for no one other than you. This is what makes miss peters a danger to the community. Its the position she held that has provided her the pulpit from which she can preach these lies. The undermining of our democratic process. The undermining of the Belief And Confidence in our election systems. The damage is immeasurable. That sentencing comes one day after a federal judge in washington, d. C. Unsealed the lengthy brief from the Special Counsel that we covered yesterday, laying out evidence as to why Donald Trump is not immune from prosecution for trying to steal the 2020 election. Today, the judge gave trump an extension saying he has until november 7, two days after the election, to file a response. A former Deputy Assistant Attorney general in the department just former u. S. District attorney and he joins me now. Harry, snorkel he said to Someone Today that Tina Peters, she didnt get herself elected president so she had to face the law like everyone else. She actually ran for secretary of state. Chris, she did allow that breach by an associate. What the judge is referring to, she went all over the country and what is telling and dovetails with Trump And Vance she continued and continued and continued to propagate this all over the country. Abandoning her job when she did it. Thats what really made the judge irate. Its not just the Original Sin but the complete on repentance. That of course is also a characteristic of one of the candidates for president. Jack smith and the filing talks about celebrating, promising pardons to folks who stormed the capitol. Celebrating mass January 6 Political prisoners is sort of evidence of this complete lack of remorse. This sort of total Criminal Mind of someone who is insistent that what he did was right and would do it again. So what says trump. When he learns that Mike Pence is in mortal peril and theres all kinds of statements like that. Let them riot made by conspirators all around him. The evidence of his knowledge and premeditation, but also, as you say, is cavalier and in difference. His jubilation as he is watching the tv and tweeting, and there is a moral turpitude that comes out not simply just the criminal acts, but the real complete corruption of a president. Tell me, today, if im following this correctly on, trumps people want to file two days after the election. I thought it was interesting. There seems to be competing imperatives. They want to delay everything always. But also at one level you would think you would want to rebut it before the election. What is the meaning of their wanting to file two days after the election . They wanted to file on the 21st, and a 180 page. She trimmed them back to the seventh. I think there brief in response will be full of lies, but the main point here, there has been parallel imperatives all the way through. Will it be revealed in the political sphere and what will happen at trial . The first one is done now and whats really, it seems to me, they were asleep at the switch and not moving for a stay. The cat is out of the bag. Now, if we are focused on the legal process, i can see the not want to do before the election give more fodder, but its a minor point now. The big point is its on the table. Yeah, and i think that point that you can tell they understand this is bad for them is him filing a Rebuttal Brief before the election would be another News Story and salience that the man tried to overthrow the election. The rebuttal itself increases attention on a topic they dont want to talk about. 100 . You could have an immediate filing and some things would be lies. Here is what will happen going forward. We are in a legal process, it will be long. Whats important and interesting about the brief besides the facts is smith Breaks Everything down to individual conversations, interactions, and its all for Mike Pence which will be the main event. He has three different arguments and 20 different encounters, so he is hoping that some will survive, not to bring Mike Pence into the case, even though hes taking on what he knows to be a challenging argument on immunity. All right, harry litman. J. D. Vance is peddling a alternate reality in many outright lies he tried to get away with that the debate. The debate. They really believe Climate Change is serious, what they would do is more manufacturing and more Energy Production in the united states, and thats not what they are doing. If you want to make the Environment Cleaner you have to invest in more Energy Production. Raven built a nuclear facility, one, in the past 40 years. J. D. Vance lies with such ease, so smoothly, even if youre paying attention and you know the score sometimes, you dont know you are being lied to. That drives me insane. That moment in particular. Here is the truth, the united states under President Biden and Kamala Harris produces more energy than any other nation on earth and more energy than the u. S. Ever had in the past including the trump administration. The Biden Department of energy helped open the second of two nuclear reactors in georgia in may. The first nuclear plants in the u. S. In 30 years. Just in july, biden sent a bipartisan ball and a vastly growing domestic nuclear energy. What do you call it when someone says the opposite of the truth . Lets call it the trump vance campaign. Entire political movement premised on americans not believing their lying eyes. Directing Hate And Rage and rather than dealing with the difficult work of trying to solve problems with actual solutions. As fans proved in his Debate Performance tuesday night. He claimed there was 25 Million unauthorized immigrants in the country. A made a figure he is made up often. The actual number exposes less than half of that. He suggested haitian migrants were illegal aliens when in fact they hold legal protected status. He falsely claimed mexican cartels are running guns into the u. S. Across the border, everyone who covers the border knows Guns Flow from America To Mexico which has some of the strictest Gun Laws in the world. He said crime, inflation, Border Crossings are up. The opposite is true. They are all falling. My favorite lie was when he said in a matter so assured, i literally had a moment that i thought i was missing something, that Donald Trump spearheaded a bipartisan effort to save Obama Care . Trump ran on a promise to kill the affordable Care Act and as Tim Walz pointed out, trump came within one vote of succeeding and killing it. Its not about good faith disagreements and whether a policy will have the promised effect. Its gaslighting into not knowing what to believe. Talk about why creating this alternate reality is a central project of the trump vance campaign. Trump vance campaign. 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Despicable, delusional live from Donald Trump spun out of whole cloth like so many things he says and combine that with j. D. Vances smooth lies in the debate and it becomes clear creating an alternate reality is a central project of the trump vance campaign. A Staff Writer for the atlantic where he wrote about what conservatives mean by Freedom Of Speech and the rise of the rightwing tattletale, thats a great piece i recommend andy joins me now. The smoothness, sometimes its a case even though i deal with people, its kind of a confidence game. At 78, having done this shtick for so long and something like Marlon Brando in apocalypse now, the lies are easier to detect but j. D. Vance smoothly saying, that was a moment the company, we havent had a nuclear plant in 40 years. I just did a podcast with a guy from the department of energy about the nuclear plant. There is something so crazy making about the assuredness with which they do that. Yeah, j. D. Vance, he lies like a poster. He lies like someone whos an online arguments and has to make up a reason why he is correct. Thats why you see him. He has had a lot of practice on podcast pulling things out of his, i wont say it because its a family program, he has a go easy facility with what we might call hes good at it. Part of the reason he seems hes good at it is conservative media has created a hermetically sealed alternate universe in which the most important thing that is happening is whatever, weird, episode this someone like Donald Trump and j. D. Vance made up is the story the day that is distorted or exaggerated in some way to enhance the basic message of the political campaign. In this case, that clip you were showing of Donald Trump saying illegal immigrants are getting Hurricane Aid so they would vote for Kamala Harris. Illegal immigrants cannot vote. Its a complete nonsense. In the Fox News cinematic universe, it makes a certain amount of sense. They believe and trust Donald Trump and j. D. Vance do not believe and trust other sources of authority. I think its associated, sort of connected, think to what the aspirations are passed this hermetically sealed people were outraged. They have a right the monologue. You dont really have a right to disagree. They can say what they want and you can say what they want, and if you dont, there will be punishment. Yes, and we got the same moment in that cbs debate. The one moment of Fact Checking when he said haitians were here illegally and he was fat checked and he complained that youre not supposed to Fact Check and the conservatives rushed to twitter to decry it. It further proves your thesis, the piece in the atlantic, along with his great piece on the Tattletale Snitch State republicans are building, particularly texas. Thank you so much. Still to come. With over a month until election day, the latest Swing State polls shows the race, you will be shocked to hear, neck and neck. What it will take to move the needle. E needle. 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Both states considered most win it. Neither has a wide lead. A recent maritime Siena Poll in michigan has harris up one point. The poll in wisconsin has harris up four, also within the margin of error. Democratic Strategist And Greenberg is offender and coexecutive nonprofit indivisible, and they join me now. Theres lots of people who are spending a lot of time feeling a lot of anxiety about the outcome of this election. Looking at models and polling. I keep telling them what margie said on the program a few weeks ago that we are trying to measure in Ounces Something the polls are designed to measure in pounds. It is close. Would are the people in indivisible doing. What do you tell people on the ground to do with that energy . Absolutely. What we tell people is when an election is within the margin of error its in the margin of a third. Its how many voters we contact. How many conversations we have and how many people we turn out. There is no better cure for the heading city and no better cure for that sense of dread think getting out and talking to some actual voters. Have interesting conversations and youre doing something and you can feel the progress you are making on the ground. If that is you when youre not sure where to start, go to indivisible. Org. We have tools to manage with voters in your neighborhood. If you are in a Swing State, voters we need to turn out and we have tools to help you contact voters. Get started somewhere. Margie, at this stage in the election, what is the Political Science and the experience tell us, what does work at this point . We are down to a small group of people that are maybe going to vote or not are vote for harris or trump. Most people have decided. Most is over determined by a bunch of factors. I was driving around, 5050 area with sign wars between neighbors. One person would put up one side and another across the street encountered. What do we know what matters in the last 30 days of the election. Its both persuasion and get out the vote. There is turnout and persuasion. There are folks, they are democrats. They vote for democrats. They support democratic candidates. They dont necessarily vote in every election. Lower Propensity Voters but democrats. You need a heavy Turnout Effort and the things indivisible a work on to get people to turn out and remind people how to vote. Then theres persuasion. The folks who dip in and out and change their minds. Sometimes a boat democratic and sometimes republican and they need a different attention. They wait until The End to make up their mind. They pay attention to advertising. The other thing that is different in every state which makes polling complicated and working in politics complicated is people who vote early. Making sure people who vote early, get the votes in the bank and make sure people on the fence make it easy for them and convenient for eligible voters to vote, so you get those votes in the bank before people decide, im not feeling up to it today. All of that varies from state to state, how long a state has been doing something like that. If they have a new vote by mail operation. Those very tremendously and thats a very important part of this. You were not a your head you were nodding your head. There is a writer who lives in nashville and shes been writing about some of that stuff happening and how brutal it is been for people in appalachia and how that will affect Mail And Voting that is low in peoples concerns right now. It speaks to the fact that you dont know what will happen. To the extent you can bank votes, the future is unwritten regarding weather, disaster. That seems a place democratic campaigns have been putting effort. That is true. One thing we say about early voting as it helps a campaigns. Fundamentally, they only have any ways to contact voters. If you vote early, you get taken off of those lists. One good reason to vote early is if you want them to stop calling you. [ laughter ] thats a great point. On the question of its almo comical. Boom, boom. Does it work anymore . Do we have good science on this , im serious, is a good Science And Saturation points. Do we know whether its effective if you watch eight ads in a row if one Mean Something . What do we know about that . We see it. We see it and polling. Before anybody is gone on the Air And Anything happens then a couple weeks later, things have changed. We see it make a difference in terms of advertising, making an impact. I think the challenge is how to reach people, where to find them. Whether its on Broadcast Or Cable or streaming are on their Cell Phones or someplace else, making sure, was it on Social Media . All the places people could be reached in the mail and so on. It makes a more fractured way of reaching people but it means for folks who are in competitive, wellfunded races and areas, they feel they cannot move without getting an ad from some of these. I think the poster consensus, Campaign Consensus and political Journalists Consensus is this is close. Is that how you at indivisible see it . That is how we see it. What we are seeing is there is a credible Enthusiasm And Energy on the ground. People are coming out of the woodwork and their desperate to beat Donald Trump and excited to elect Kamala Harris and everyone knows and every state we are operating in, so many swing districts, its incredibly close. Thats why we say it could come down to the margin of ever. These people are getting hit with a ton of different ads. Hit by every possible medium of paid advertising. A lot of the folks in a people who start with a high level of trust in the political system. A conversation with a friend, a neighbor, can make a difference. Thank you both. That is all in. Alex wagner starts right now. Ight now. Basically everything matters, people care about democracy, vance is a big liar. Those are three of the many takeaways of the show i just watched. Those are good top lines, betters, t