Actually increased the chances of a no deal i guess it. Really has been saying that bracks said in no way heard stay you its actually going to hurt the u. K. Its going to be isolated now but i still wonder how is it not hurting you because it is like a Strong Military power within the you 2nd largest economy within the you how can it possibly not affect the un our well i think that the main way in which it does affect the e. U. Has already happened so the big blow for that you actually took place in 2016 with the with the referendum and that was the moment in which you know the rest of the world looks at the European Union and saw this as an edifice that looked like it was crumbling in the sense weve already digested that pain that cost now the big pain is actually on the u. K. More than on that you because i think the way in which the rest of the world and certainly the way. In which the 27. 00 the looking at this is what a bloody mess the brits have made out of this with themselves we have actually we meaning the 27. 00 managed to remain surprisingly i would add united on this front so i guess what im saying is that weve already digested the cost now the big cost to be paid is really on the u. K. Side not the rest of the e. U. I want to go back a little bit elections because there were so and to some pain. People were so divided about it. The crank coalition in the e. U. Parliament is sort of now dead what does this mean its going to be harder for the union to take consolidated decisions or not. No i dont think it will be hard i think it means 2 things one remains not fundamentally different from the past and what i mean by this is that the most for political family is the Popular Party socialist greens and liberals are not new political families all 4 were already present in the European Parliament and in the European Parliament the way in which decisions are taken are very much issue based and depending on what the issue is actually already in the past you had coalitions forming that even went beyond the solid sort of Popular Party socialist bloc if you like of the past so in a sense on one level its close in quote more of the same these are for families that are used to working with each other on another indeed it is different from the past because it is not a 2 Party Majority its a full party 3 or 4 Party Majority but that in my view adds a new dynamism i mean unless one starts from the assumption that everything was perfect as it was and i certainly dont share that assumption so if one believes that actually a degree of renewal of the new dynamism is actually necessary the fact that 2 major parties lost their majority and then have to work more dynamically across 3 or 4 political families in my view is good is what he would make of the fire rate success its not considerable its not what people expected but its still there it cant completely disregard it what does it mean in terms of the policies. Frankly speaking nothing so you hear just a very skeptical and very skeptical around a do nothing thing i do think that whereas this current institutional political cycle. The strength of that mind already as i said negligible what i do believe is that this is really the opportunity for the next 5 years to tackle some of the root causes lead to. We leave this place disregard completely that there was this surge in many countries. And people were just coming out in the streets and saying were not ok with. The system that was in place before every almost every country in europe is our last interview or a of that its in the United States internationally this is this is basically the story about the quote unquote losers of globalization this is what this is after its not about the European Union really its about growing inequality is so its a russia story its the u. S. Story its a china story and its an e. U. Story so those are the issues that have to be tackled what do you make in terms of the you what do you think are the main changes that should take place so that what you fear for right or for a left turn take over basically i think you know it is about having a European Union that is a more social union that basically adds on to the current Monetary Union set up to the current Single Market set up not only a completion of the euro zone through a fiscal and a Political Union but also added to it Single Market dimension more social measures you know a european Unemployment Benefits scheme i mean you know things that basically are giving where 70 to the states in terms of making the. Sessions especially when it comes to Foreign Policy because a lot of a lot of these debates also came down to migration and not being able to you know make your own decisions whether you want to let people they are in or not. Do you think that would help given while at the moment the problem is exactly the opposite meaning the Member States have complete sovereignty when it comes a lot of them would argue that you know technically speaking legally speaking the competence is not a new competence its a member state competence if we take my country its really what is my country asking for its not asking for repatriation of competences or migration its actually asking for exactly the opposite europeanization of responsibility when it comes to migration but then you take hungary and its asking for a different think its asking for different a thing and it has it it has had its pursuit its own independent migration policy and it hasnt allowed anyone in so hungry has pursued what it wants. What do you make of this idea because i heard that a people in europe when it comes to National Elections they tend to vote for the traditional parties because they directly impact their lives and then when it comes to elections they sort of have this out of the box thinking going on and thats where actually theyre saying that national for ash does what it does in britain but not so much in in the e. U. Parliament what do you make of this idea i mean i think there is some truth in it in a sense some new political ideas are being tested out in the European Elections i think this is actually one of the things that makes the European Elections so interesting you know beyond the fact that they are the 2nd largest democratic elections in the world after india obviously theres a question of scale that makes them so significant but also this idea indeed of testing testing out new ideas because indeed your. Paean level you dont only have the traditional if you like left right horizontal divide you also have very significantly a new vertical divide that is really characterizing a lot of 20th century politics which is really one between the open and the close and so translated in the european level it is about being pro european or euro skeptic so i think this is one of the things that makes them very interesting on the specific point about the United Kingdom though i think that whereas youre absolutely right in the past raj did make. A much stronger shows showing that European Elections are over the National Elections i think in this specific specific European Election it is more a story about an implosion of the conservative party which may also be therefore reflected in new general elections if they were held. In a short time span and more broadly i would add this is about an implosion of the political system in the United Kingdom really triggered by the disastrous conduct on their side of the whole brags that affair now it was going to take a short break right now when were back well continue talking to natalie dutchy special advisor to use Foreign Policy chief Eddie Compass getting a stay with us. So. Lets. Just say. Its. A very warm welcome to you youre watching us and. Join me every thursday on the alex salmond show and ill be speaking to get off of the world of politics sports business im sure ill see you then. We had one man 3540 years old. Distro in the water. Some 30 fisherman later and its not. Understood. That hes going to want to take another one of us thought my feet was stubborn and hurt the most. I believe that this is one of the therapy is. Absurd to really harsh things that happen in life. 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American relations now. Well not really because theyre not in charge you know out of 28 Member States you basically have only 3 that have governments being represented by nationalists one of these 3 poland has actually a very close relationship with charmes United States in the case of its early i think you know so so arent in the case of hungry clothes the hungry frankly speaking is a fairly small country. Whereas you know all the 25 Member States are actually being governed by parties that have a completely different view you know all of populism of nationalism and consequently of the trumpet ministration. Very a meanie has said that you will continue listing defense cooperation between the Member States and at this point pentagon it was just like you if you shuts out the americans American Companies out of defense contracts then washington will retaliate do you think you will stick to its gun when it comes to defense contracts i think that we dont have much of a choice i think we have to this is really about quite aside from the trumpet administration a structural transformation which is going on in the world really and it is clear that in the world in which there are the americans. That the chinese the indians the russians except for europeans can only really be a player at that global top table by standing united and we are already united on the economic front and we increasingly understand that we have to do so also on the defense front let me be very clear this is not in order to be protectionist and autarky you know when we talk about what ptolemy as an ambition as a goal it is really basically the bottom line is having the ability to act now its part of our d. N. A. To try and act together with our partners whenever and wherever we can but what if our partners dont want to act with us then we need to feel we feel we need to have the ability to act on the road so the big question whether you can act on your own or now is the iran deal so right now rouhani saying that you know im going to withdraw from a. Distance for and show some courage. To sing this is a last warning to the u. G. Do you think tehran is actually serious about quitting the deal. I think all i can say about this is putting myself in iranian shoes and if i were an iranian Decision Maker i would probably be making these threats rightly so i mean its clear that if one side of a contract lives up to their commitments meaning around and the other side meaning the other 3 plus 3 and obviously this includes russia as well its only fair for one side to say hang on you know if you continue acting this way im going to pull out now having said that i also think that it would be actually fairly irrational for iran to leave the j. C. Pure way before 2020. Simply because it is basically what a year a few months time before there could be a change in the United States or not all in all its i mean neat if the arts are is not there indeed if i were ron i would probably not stick with the j. C. Pure way. Because indeed this as i said the social contract can only hold of both sides live up to the bargain that many analysts are saying that rouhani is behaving this way because he wants to accept some pressure on the you do you think tehrans expectations are legitimate absolutely can he do something to actually move you. Know there has been some movement at the point is that were talking about something which is very complicated take well as politically i mean essential in this by the way is not just a new affair i mean when the e. U. Tries to set up an instead mechanism this is not only to allow the trade between the e. U. And iran without being subject to extra territorial sanctions it is also a mechanism eventually to allow for other actors to do the same without being hit by u. S. Excretory general sanctions and this also includes russia and china so this is. In my view really part of a much much bigger story that goes beyond around it goes beyond the middle east it goes beyond nonproliferation and which does not only concern europeans it includes all International Actors because today were talking about in terms of u. S. Extraterritorial sanctions on iran what if the struggle the rivalry the competition the contest between the United States and china boils to the point where the u. S. Decides to impose extra territorial sanctions on china. What precisely 7 and what how what does this mean in terms of our trade in terms of your trade in terms of everyones trade so russia can care less you know that it is continues trading with iran and likely where she has its own oil so it doesnt need to trade. As much as the arabians expected it to do to be cautious but still doesnt go along with american line of but the europeans like you a lot of them were outraged and like you know this is not in our interest to scrap this deal so were going to continue doing our thing with iran but then you know when americans are slapping sanctions from what i understand most of the Major Companies are wrapping up and even with this is what i mean the point is how to create a Global Investment climate there in juices companies to make those investments even in the event of u. S. Extraterritorial sanctions so obviously youre absolutely right there are more european count companies in the situation than Russian Companies but this is the facts everyone and you know of course governments cannot point guards at the heads of companies forcing them to do so what we have to try and do is to create an International Investment and trading environment that allows for companies to freely engage in those investments and trade without being unduly punished for it. I know that youve been saying u. S. And europe have very different object. Ron. Is sort of seeking to contain Irans Nuclear program and america wants regime change in iran so trump obviously who very often changes his mind now says that actually iran could be a great economy under romney and he has and want regime change there why dont you trust him well because perhaps he should try and change his National Security adviser that very clearly has a very different position on this one. He has a lot of disagreements with a lot of people within the administration but as of today youve got to give it to him he does what he wants to do i think unfortunately on iran hes actually been led into a very different direction as i said particularly by joe bolton whos positions on iran date back way way way or you know further down sort of back the line you know in the bush 2 Administration Even earlier so unfortunately at the moment it seems to me that the u. S. Is iran policy houser very clear author and that author is not the president of the United States so china and america are always there going guy theyre like in the midst of a fiercest trade war but europe has its own thing going on with america what is america does slap europe with terrors whats going to happen. I think you know on this i feel fairly in fact very confident. As i said on trade europe is an actor and this is an actor to be reckoned with you know i think that whereas you know if were talking about defense if were talking about other policy areas it is still a very asymmetrical relationship i think this is not the case on trait so ultimately all i can say is that europeans would respond and would retaliate but he also has its own. Has to do with china can afford to actually be at odds with the 2 largest economies in the world well thats thats why i think that ultimately less the us facts completely irrational movie it will have to back down and change its strategy on trade what about the whole one belt on road i know that america is very much against it because it feels like it would give china not only economic power all around the world but also jam political power europe is reluctant to follow them merican hard line. Its reluctant to follow it in the same way but i do think that there has been a change of heart in europe with respect to the belton road and maybe it was the same position but i guess you know there has also been some change in with the national itself once upon a time we used to look at belton road as being a purely geo economic endeavor. Yes china pursued a geo strategic agenda in east asia but basically when it came to you know chinas policies westwards this was basically about geo economics i think now we begin to see far more clearly the belton road yes is a jack a moment project but it has a very clear geo strategic intent reverend that were ready see that it is basically a means of establishing and consolidating and expanding influence and then you really asks and thing in return like you know as political regime change or anything like that like america says what it does ask for things i mean look at the way in which china has tried to act in a very typical divide and rule fashion in winning over some European Countries with respect to its position on the South China Sea so it does not simply look at it through an economic lenses tries to use that economic advantage for political and strategic and as well and i see this is something that were beginning to understand far more than we did which is why there is a far greater understanding of the need for us to be united visibly china because of course it is very easy for china to aaa its game and therefore the 17 plus one and various other initiatives where its in our interests of course not to block china often its in our huge economic interests to bring china in but to do so in order to stay. Around on a par with china economically and therefore also geo politically by standing united and i know that you want to act as a united front when it comes to one vote one ballot some Member States are saying what would you know sign the contracts with presidency on our own what do you think it is that this has always been the case i mean this tension between you know acting uniting and acting bilaterally has always been at the heart of european integration but i think its a changing balance in favor of Greater Unity not because we all agree with each other and love each other but because we understand that unless we do we are all liable to lose out so it is not you know a point in which you know yesterday it was like rats and tomorrow its going to be like this is that changing balance of the changing story but i think the direction of travel is towards Greater Unity rather than towards greater disintegration of fragmentation as i thank you very much for this into 98 luck with everything. 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