Watching R T International bring you your live news update from our studio here in moscow welcome to the program. Russia is being kicked out of all International Sporting events for the next 4 years punishment so says the World Antidoping Agency for moscow tempering with a key database of test results from russian athletes while in the last hour the Russian Sports minister of public gave his reaction claiming russias arguments have simply gone and heard it was renewed and able to sleep experts who provided convincing on says unfortunately they havent hunted us or some other has time to appeal but it was initially when we handed over the database we said lets investigate the database together so that we can make a full decision so we wanted to have a kind of mechanism. If we want to be objective decision like this. Has all the necessary opportunities they could have taken a different approach than the earlier today i want to hold a press conference outlining the reasons for its decision. Was there and lets talk now charlotte what exactly did want to have to claim. Well they claim that there was a detailed the forensic examination indeed that was carried out on the data that they received from the lap in question they say that they investigation showed that that data had been tampered with it had been altered now this is a lab that was due to hand huge remove. All tests that took place on russian athletes in an attempt to show that they had been no problem in regards to the allegations with being in a period from around 2012 up to 2015 now with. Water said that the data that was received from that. Question didnt match the data that it should receive from a whistle blower and as a result of that it felt was saw their way back into the fold back in 2018 could no longer be trusted this is a result of the russian. Association and therefore as a result they decided to take this unilateral action all of them deciding that should be put in place on russia participating in sporting events that means that while place russian athletes wouldnt be able to compete on the name of team russia they wouldnt be able to fly the russian flag that could impact things such as the tokyo lympics next year the Winter Olympics and possibly even the football world cup now that ban goes even further it means that russian officials wouldnt be able to go to the games in an official capacity and that means that russians. Wouldnt be able to sit on the boards all the sporting committees and International Boards during that 4 year period so a very very hefty sentence put on russia as a result of this now there was some good news for russian athletes while the said that those russian athletes who could prove that they were innocent and that there was no cast of dispersion over them when it came to doping would be able to compete but under a neutral flank. This is a man against russia protect the rights of russian each. Entry for major events. Able to demonstrate that they are not implicated in any way. Comply what is important thing to these decisions. Are really sanctioning those who are responsible for this many pollutions and leave those open for those who had nothing to do with. Russia clean. Plates. One of the things the world to say that was quite interesting out of the press conference is that they had been able to turn in that they were around 145 athletes who they believe that there was a question mark over in regards to dont being a russian athletes these are but they said that only a few of those individuals with this question mark over their head were currently in competition that means around 50 athletes but as a result of that all athletes will not be able to compete and the russian flag and for russia now we saw that this is the Russian Anti Doping Agency has said it wants to appeal that decision by wada and it will do that meaning this case will go before a court of arbitration and russia itself has also hit out and said you know they had met every condition that had been put. Stipulated by wada and they did no way that that data had been tampered with saying that they had not evidence to wanted to look at i put that to the president of water. Russia says its rejected all of the allegations of data manipulation it says its provided you evidence to counter to show that it didnt modify the data what do you have to say to that and was that taken account in your decision well i wasnt part of the c. R. C. Discussion what i do know is that it was close cooperation between the water experts on the russian im not sure what conversations they had with for example the russian olympic committee. But those people who are interested are entitle to under the standard to appeal and if they wish to appeal they have 21 days to accept this assertion or not and if they do not if they wish to appeal then we will be in cash prior a disease clearly is technical you need to be a fire engine. And we passed it on immediately sure say thank you very much it does not change the opinion that the. Relief. Well that appeal by was saw that has been launched which means that this will now go to a court of arbitration to decide which side is right is it water is it was saw there perhaps a glimmer of light we did also hear from the water officials today that they was a way to get beyond this and this is they say if the russian authorities the most question does all of the data on tampered with but we know that russia says it has already done a lot. More to sharla devinsky and less on forests today then q. Various Russian Sports federations have been quick to question and want us decision. Those decisions a biased inexplicably theyre too politicized and prejudged theyre punishing russia is the state which was connected to this story without showing any credible evidence is an absolutely normal Transparent Organization punishing the states and clean sportsmen and women why should that be considered fair. You sure its wrong to punish and impose the various functions against those 100 percent meeting every warder and a limp committee requirement. What is decision is unfair its wrong to treat both men and women on the basis of their nationality i believe all sports participants have the right to represent their country on the international arena. Earlier i discussed why this decision with artist and exceed a chef ski and sports commentator alan moore this morning i spoke with a source in water and he said exactly whats going to happen has happened its actually been a bit more hardcore and that theres a set term. Which is very very unusual and the fact that they they have george massada to be noncompliant. You know theyre going to get these sanctions when the same thing happened for example in bloemfontein in south africa which is the only other time was the only african water created lob before rio. Cleats from across africa and south africa were able to compete so do seem to be a bit strange but then they have taken things as going along. In protecting athletes i dont know that that figure who we were at that bit 145 and more of the one 3rd of my simple question is this or the old russian and no one will answer it from walter because again we have to remember that the athletes tested here will also include nonrational fleets and we do know that there were athletes for example drawing for who was behind the course. Of leave russia his samples were tested here but when you cut comeon to try and check to see what remained of his samples and his data and information because we saw it on t. V. On the big screen that he was being tested here they were all gone so we really have to ask what is there behind this and is it all the russian athletes because this is a great question for me that protecting clean athletes who is clean allow me to disagree a little bit with you because its not by far not the only question im trying to understand here they are saying almost directly that they are punishing those responsible for what happened right they are not punishing those who are responsible apparently if if we are to believe in the allegations that water and the c. R. C. Have made and the Investigative Unit they have made against russia its about someone physically walking into all the boards or and altering the data deleting stuff i dont know altering whatever they said in the huge statement how do those athletes who are they not batting but they are effectively prohibiting them from wearing their countrys flag how are they responsible for what happened. One of the people at the press conference or young is the head of the investigations he said we believe that having athletes compete and you. For 4 years without any association to the country is the best way to protect them and you called it a living on so. If you have a russian flag that means youre evil and youre deleting information again. We still dont know who deletes deformation because remember that craig reset himself and this has changed from statements i want to give it almost at the same time as going to younger and so on were in. In an office so when in the next office was the least theyve been changing their statements on this because they said when they they left the lab suddenly they found it all changed who changed it because if thats the case would be a look at the congress and he went on theres so much with this that stinks theres so much of this is just really is wrong or doesnt even make sense at all completely another thing is that it seems that you know fair enough they have implemented a set of rules in 2018 which was voiced 3 or 4 times during the press conference yeah we have the rules we have to stick by them were slapping a nation with unprecedented bond like that but what do we do with it now we have no idea when they were asked about the world cup the fifa world cup in qatar when they were asked about different other you know competitions what defines a major competition as well case by case well see what the federations think they may actually contest this decision you know if russia fails to appeal in the us if it goes to the us were pretty sure it will but i knew. That you know they just sort of came out with this big bang but they no no do not have no idea what to do with it at all obviously russia is not the only country to have those issues right but its the only one to having a band like that for the 2nd time in recent history but you know there are so many clean athletes here and i just want to listen to one of those stories because this guy is among those to suffer in the next 4 years apparently if we dont win the games his name is that xander took over he is a skeleton d. Fleets that we talked to may know little bit of the good to see the good at the moment you just get your shit on the little boy but he could be a local. Muslim over this commuter. The beauty of this is. The 3rd says that i know you should sleep in a good mine you know. Just because the. Yeah. You know i also know what that we also. Just that but others from chile. Suggested the trial of. The us to be a noble of the middle class the biscuit should be on the. Still of the bunch. So that actually i made a good. Deal of the sedalia discipline that i could be somewhat but i do look at the podium of support us that we should be treated just like any family what would you get us knowing offends you please see them as when you push the Mushroom Cloud that could be the would. Go really worship the ability to just. Come from the mall of the form or the its called the optical yeah people still the spin room i was a few of. The people stays put on the porch. Still see. Meanwhile some sports personalities have expressed fears that any band could demotivate a generation of future athletes. How can you. Not only. That entire support for my country for 4 years its absolutely ridiculous its an overkill. Should do its job to do with claims concerning individual athletes not with the country as a whole they have a dream. So there was 18 years old to vote. For. The number one opponent they. Dont want to do. With. The school it is being dragged down by politics in a place where politics should be completely absent who is becoming cost. Of politics intensely in this desire to disqualify the whole National Team why does decision to ban russia will affect everybody and will cause a great shock. I would say the decisions either politicized just incorrect. What kind of message is out. To our children and we always talk about. Our mission because that is tomorrow when you ban the whole country from for you killed or out of. The i think the 1st and foremost this will affect children and their interest in sport. Our children have taken their future away with they want to do what they love away because of what a couple individuals did in the past. I mean its ludicrous theres a make any sense at all. For more were now joined live by christophe washington sports law scientist an expert and i lawyer for the russian skier Alexander Mccall if youre very welcome to the program tell us what were your initial thoughts when you heard what us decision. Well initially d in the past i have question that out of a great effort and great achievement and are now that its recognized a compliance what you call bt and they made no further recommendation for observers or anything else and i thought that it ironical that that imo i suppose grew up at the top so i always thought i expected a rules reaction caught up but in general i understand you have a lot of ministry her i started in the interview for him i have no problem. With the fact that lot of peculiar comment he gets i think was asking for a lot of the russian ive lost if you need you to prove that is the point of your freedom of argument are x x access or ethnic investigation and so as a promise me never acknowledge i can see hundreds of years from today or possibly on lot or. We heard want to today saying that this is a decision that will actually help protect clean athletes yet they seem to be the ones that are going to be paying the price here is that really fair. No i dont see that but thats our some remarks were not going to make a lot of art because they have a benchmark for our louis and russian and at map that it is very hard to point out that in a great number of number of papers i also make good at making out what party was on the field i mean by no means stop it that or a question the athletes but we took by the cap and the suits betterments Supreme Court apparently ruling off that were going to make another part at the job loss the cat is tears has a leg off check the vet which are necessary and tell them that we can talk to corporation and my mom doesnt seem to be on notice me for a new job since i agree and answered regularly with change for. Which was all very very authentic and punch a hole i admit it is tested on its i have to. Be hearing the key part of the file and. Discredit me to feel better and let mr leonard follow up to the which has been leaving the judge to be unfit for any kind of good reception once again become the benchmark of admission across an athlete to say who am i as a name if it is all even if you have already lost 2 years off with your im going to have equitable in the last. Off and it was bhushan did i think mention the metal records and. One of the intentionally ruling. Alexandre laycock a touch with have been discussed in 10 in 10 different paths not that of at least not only behind how could only be held liable if the athlete didnt have committed and acclamation that provided a contribution to a dropping off and only an athlete would call off an action but across the group to any dropping off and by another parent on whom you are from tep know that such offense was not the duty same principle that the athlete should not be liable or adopts top on to doping organisation and that of that that was up to all the to have all of this and a lot of thats not even claimed as a reason all the positive cases of being a mental thing by aptly ramadan to prevent publication of only a few but very often does half could be detected why not if we hear its not obvious from every interaction athletes are kept in the last few independent often already achieved and they did good because theyve seen at any other athlete in the market. At this point were possibly looking at a 2nd island picks without russia what does that mean for the world of sports. Oh then when you have a result its rough and symbols are indeed banned from International Programs as fundamental russian symbols like black and answered im still a little bit undesigned that thats another condition but its not there are indeed all the fives all the rostov made great efforts into cheeseman and then the evidence that the program hook on occasion was not enough neither made by without our rusty dornin to comment we have to as which federation must be you know who really are the dr being for what we 5 even 5 star quality russian all started to agree to a new show the news room to grow and even a doctor i call the 5 who are called on that notion of not rushing on to become a t. V. But im also a parent which has access to a little bit. Within the risk if you want to be. And i will see you on the bottom what. Equality are on the other hand ive turned to the s. S. Men the route of the national and to drop in quality our National Olympic park had 2 years maybe more across the area that there are are in the suburbs occasion is where i live with the National Federation then the International Reason it could be appropriate to extrude the symbols but then again and again on tuesday i stood undecided how do you think a neutral flag and a ban on major Sports Events being held in the country helps to solve the problem of doping. Not that i have i was good because it would have nothing to who have who ever have had the smallest idea because these are the qualifications of doctors to disarm the ones that are it shows that i think in the back all that strategy from. The exclusion of the large number of rotten apple in the pot whose interest and what caused it who improved in the cut have absolutely saved and in criminology the fact that an increase in this. Threat of punishment does not less need a reduction in the number of paid that is well if. Not all of that this is often the means of choice by which are already reacting to undeniable the why dont men in the developing or in the development who cry tended to penalty high and it doesnt help anything but it doesnt help its just a nice big notice not happening to. Is ready for reaction and what we need in our times whenever it is a property. A result of the fear and if you protest we do not need a special on it is nothing new for us at least in russia up watching for has for a long time you know in family. Russian asked me president. Reagan out of his money what i wanted to get money he wouldnt give me what motivation from my point of using his money watches and motivation was really great that weve run out of time were going to have to leave it there christophe weissman a sport for scientists an expert thank you so much for your time and your comments ok make remarks go by of course a following the story throughout the day so stay with us for more. In other news the meeting of leaders of france germany russia and ukraine has started in paris for the socalled normandy for talks there hoping to thrash out a road map to peace in Eastern Ukraine are trying to reports from the french capital. This monday is a very big day here at the palace in paris its a very big day for europe a very big day for ukraine just a short while ago we saw the french president and manual macron welcoming his guests from Ukraine Russia and germany the 1st one to arrive was angle of merkel then it was full dimmers of the president and ill tell you what we couldnt even understand if it was him for a moment because he came in on a plane run no minivan and the last of the 4 leaders to arrive was Vladimir Putin just an hour before that though a group of topless femen activists. There 2. Now if you look at the schedule i can tell you that before the 4 leaders sit together in one room 1st a number of bilateral going to happen and the last element of the schedule will be the historic meeting of lattimer putin and. Selenski now let me just break down why the number one politicians from 4 countries are holding talks and that building ill tell you what technically the bloody conflict between the breakaway republics of donetsk and lugansk and kiev has been solved but theres one important remark its been solved on paper now this step by step plan that several years ago was hammered out by the leaders of Ukraine Russia france and germany its called the minsk agreements and i can tell you that for all these years from east to west from all kinds of politicians weve been hearing that this plan is the only way to go to support the implementation of the minsk agreement because the reasonable alternative no plan b. Exists in my opinion this is the only way they can create a climate in Ukrainian Society where they were able to make painful compromises regarding the states. I agree with the chancellor ive also said there is no other alternative to the implementation of the 6 agreements with help of the n. I. C. U. However if we look at whats really been happening on the ground in reality pretty much none of these steps were actually taken and now there is a new chance theres a new government in kiev and thats why the quartet is getting together for the 1st time since 2016. The normal day for a summit leaders are expected to hold a press Conference Following their talks and will of course cross live to that are going to be updated. Thats a global news update for this hour but dont forget you can always head to our web site r. T. Dot com for the details on all those stories and many more. Now matter of tense here were going underground and away u. K. General election and the u. K. Court appearance by the most famous publisher in the world Julian Assange of wiki leaks who doctors fear will die imprisoned in solitary confinement at a Supermax Prison for availing defacto u. K. 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