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The same mistakes next time there is a Global Pandemic bus why is it always communist cuba that comes to the rescue when theres a medical emergency even when the countries in distress like britain and italy are allied to the usa responsible for decades of terrorism and sanctions against the caribbean island all as a ball coming up in todays going underground fest thats go straight to book a moment its just because god to dr Sylvia Binyamin the the Health Director of the San Francisco clinic who is on the front line of the fight back against corona virus sylvia thanks so much for coming on spain seems to be turning into with the by next week who knows new york and london maybe like a book or mo would you advise all of us 1st of all to do to minimize the impact of coronavirus they see on us that it would seem bad m. R. O. It out there whats the end of favorite already in the in my office because the immediately we introduce the actually at the end because for all the people entering the. Well weve decided that they. An architect he quit meant a tour 1000 and sat that its raining or that you was of the equipment. And actually did the right it was right it all that you dont go insane the community in this situation is a pita difficult because many general practitioner got speak and so there are people that x. Whole month and they need. To seek for care and that device for doctors so what we had doing in my office because sometimes we had again i think a telephone sadness of a doctor and sweating dysfunction for older people that it taught me so its sort of nice that im easing conditions ok well we have a phone Service Although its been quite controversial trying to get through to it were also putting foundations of beds 4000 beds in a Conference Center in there and east london here but what advice would you give given that you just talked about protective equipment should doctors and nurses and cleaners should they wear dustbin bags what should they do here because we have a shortage of Protection Equipment in this country for our Frontline National Health Service yet they did think of a shark that asked if protective equipment i used to use any a show what. You need to do it out and i live they use of them so they use them exactly as the days that i commanded and we really with were getting reports of the doctors and nurses are reusing the protective equipment because there just isnt enough here in britain we are or are very much what a day about to the masks we chat in part down to back to these vitals its the same says natale s. Trading through the hair back there also and maybe mainly tragus what faces and the contact so is there in impact and foot to wash hands and yet have a can become a vector of design. Yes and that door i gin in the environment you should look at counties where they were to stop the spread of divide it was they get to read a lot to us in my domain and measures to keep oil day places clean and and try to avoid the on that do you think its a problem for britain that you for instance tested a patient i understand in february and of course you subsequently tested positive for govind 19 do you think its a problem that we still havent got testing kits here in britain and similarly in the United States that they have not been testing at a big level for corona virus so i you test if they 1st say they need to fight a case in my office speak out on the 26th of february. Where i was protected and we did a quick meant and you did have to do that desk that i and my fat for the benefit in terms on that of the scratch if youre that that peabody inec that the of that is that this can be negative today maybe you put a cape outlets that can be positive this is why you had a new telly they decided to test only people weve seen back that they think is that he leaves. Out do you use that that is out of the best for them because the test is asked depends on the situation hes like a photography of that moment so this situation can change in 48 hours so maybe if they were developed for a different kind of death that i that he detests which to add that there is as i can wage these might really have. Well there are reports of some new halley tests and of course over here you can get privately tested im going to ask you anecdotally not scientifically you tested of course positive. But im sure you know of people that have died of the virus is there any correlation is it obviously people with underlying illness is there more susceptible to dying from covert 19 and are you seeing any other correlations why is it were getting reports of younger people now dying of coronavirus you my experience or what i am sad to think when i say what. They might judge if you ask that we ask that you my ask because i have between esthetically people or so are above 85 even 90 are so ill because we have enough single tread that lead people easy going to say because there are people even we deny that it is easy its quite like 4550 s so again they develop a serious illness that add that people we do many diseases say and they dont develop serious illnesses so ask not experiencing it could be at correlation between that they use these as us. Your genetic condition and they 11 of these that you develop because its good enough right dr sylvia big i mean we thank you thank you very much thank you. Well if you believe the Us Department of labor theres nothing anecdotal about the greatest rise in unemployment in u. S. History and here in new liberal britain initiatives like a universal basic income to save millions from the effects of coronavirus being shot down by ex Goldman Sachs banker and current u. K. Chancellor regime joining me is the man that could have been advising the government on implementation of u. B. I have Jeremy Corbin and one december general election his new book is battling a giants basic income now guy thanks so much for coming on you know before i even get to the book whats your reaction to this unprecedented jobs figure how can you liberal economies cope with unemployment rises like 3280000 in the United States and who knows what its going to be in britain well. I think were reaching the bubble quite near that girl experiment the past 3 decades when were confronted by a unique combination of circumstances she will try to get where just a small downturn will lead to a cascading situation of homelessness people on unable to pay off that and a lack of demand full basic goods and services and in that respect the job or attention scheme wont succeed it is chronically inefficient it is going to be administered at least chaotic and its highly regressive maybe the government already realizes it because its trumpeting the fact that hundreds of thousands of people maybe millions by the time the repeats of this program is shown are claiming universal credit the phone lines are open and things are going really well for universal credit you call it immoral in your new book 8 battling 8 giants basic income there yet because huge numbers of people love qualify for the universal credit card and the only way they can operate in a vessel credit is in effect abandoning universal credit a basic income will be far more transparent far more easy to operate and far more easy to understand ordinary people and their well huge numbers of people who fall through the cracks into total destitution the more people in different they should the longer this current that doris will go on and the worse the consequences of the recession and depression that were going to face then why is it that Boris Johnson Donald Trump New liberal leaders are saying theyre going to put up their arms around us there is no pro carry out anymore the word that you so often used before although some people have been alleging that johnson has been slow to act because people were trying to force his hand with the universal being basic income something he really did not want to do. Well i think the kerry sujan gretton as in other countries and i think the the theme of my book the 8 giants. Involved millions of people in britain the inequality is going to be increased not decreased in this crisis the insecurity which is the 2nd giant in the book is going to become Even Stronger and even deeper the debt that i mentioned earlier is going to get worse the stress for the book is already enormous and is going to be intensified enormously by this this piracy as it all unfolds the sense of for carroty the sense of being supplicants not having rights this is something that was already in demick in the system and is going to be intense by and that is why we need a transparent universal income through law that everybody would get and that list they would have basic security and they will not be un fantasy built into the system which is what unfortunately the chance has introduced its arguably being influenced and amplified by the only garcon the media in this country but tory the tory architect of universal credit bedroom taxes to child policies Ian Duncan Smith here says it is a disincentive to work it is an affordable and come to think of it if as you are saying these policies are going to exacerbate the problems of the precariat we have the army now to infill nor in order i listened to his statements and i think that crisis if theres anything that is stronger as a disincentive to work it is this scheme that they just introduced you will only get it if your per load and if you are green not to do any work thats a crazy is just assessed up with a basic income you overcome. The poverty trap that in duncan smith has admitted exists so to me a basic thing that is actually an incentive to work and the evidence they show in the book shows very clearly from around the world that when people have basic security they were law not less and theyre more productive when they work not less so in a plant its complete middle class pockets on his part that he thinks that people would stop work he receives huge subsidies from the government and sell to his family i dont notice that matters in doing work well people are going to read the book and watch our previous interviews where you give more detail arguably on the universal basic income and given that you would have been advising a labor government if you call been had one do you think now your idea will die if the favorite to replace corbin kest dhamma is to lead the labor party. I think they will introduce it i was very impressed by large number of. From across the political spectrum and members of the house of lords signing a letter last week in favor. I think we should be introducing pilots immediately in certain areas to roll it out and show how. I feel that this is a low moment larry is governments in various countries are going to move in this direction the inevitability oh Something Like a basic income is going to go on even the most. Opponents professor guy can executive very much after the break how does communist cuba offer a guaranteed universal income and lead the global fight against corona virus and major nations with its doctors and medical treatments all of them all coming about you are going on the ground. I cant show you my face but im going to tell you my story in 9093 this man was sentenced to death. They could charge kenny with capital murder even though he didnt have the gun didnt pull the trigger didnt intend to kill anybody maj living in your bathroom for the week he sent for 23 years. 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Welcome back in the 1st half we heard about what more needs to be done by neo liberal western countries to tackle coronavirus but what if the solution lies in a tiny communist country dozens of videos posted on social media last week showed cuban doctors arriving in nato countries like italy where the pandemic had hit the hardest to help slow the virus so why is a country seen by many in the aging nations as a failed state proving so proficiency when it comes to medical internationalism and humanitarian aid joining me via skype from glasgow is dr helen yaf a whose new book we are cuba her revolutionary people have survived in a post soviet world explores how the islands revolutionary people have survived despite decades of u. S. Sanctions and tara thank you so much alan for coming on the show said 62 years ago this month the usa began the military blockade of cuba why if someone reads your book would you not be surprised to see cuban doctors arriving in italy or british passengers on a cruise ship or showing a banner we love i love cuba after reading your book well exactly i am be made to call internationalism that we see today thats being celebrated in terms of peoples contribution to the kobe 19 pandemic is actually been a key feature of Cuban Foreign policy for 60 years of the revolution initially it was mostly medics who were accompanying soldiers who were at assisting with National Liberation struggles all around africa and other regions really even since the late 1990 s. Shifted cuban internationalism has on for military term medical and we saw that 1st. The after hurrican move in Central America and the cuban sent medics and when they got there they found that they just then there was an infrastructure in place to be able to to assist people in the way that was needed and that is when fidel castro had the initiative at the end of the 1990 s. To set up a Latin American School of medicine and initially for populations from Central America which had been and then stated by natural disasters to come and train so that they wouldnt just be dependent on cuban medics but to help them to establish the stable and health care that was universal and free at the point of delivery and then since then weve seen the numbers of human medical professionals overseas and growing and growing in venezuela most people will have heard of the oil for Doctors Program which source someplace he files and and cuban medical professionals who are working in venezuela in 2014 we had the deadly outbreak of the ebola virus in west africa and the cubans already had teams in several of the countries that were affected and they both took those teams with specialists who could help them to combat the deadly Ebola Outbreak ok but it is just in this country all we hear about is british soldiers actually helping a bowler in africa and theres been very little about even pictures on Mainstream Media here about cuba helping in a time of coronavirus let alone the fact that you mention the revolution they dont really mention the nato countries of course supported the fascist dictatorship that castro overthrew were told in britain all the time and certainly in the United States people are told the cuba is a repressive dictatorship far worse than any. Offering in far less fear of life outcomes than youd get in any british or american in a city. Ringback issue is that cuba actually presents a practice to the dominant political and Economic System around the welsh the fact that a small carrier be an island nation which was subjected to hundreds of years of colonialism and imperialism and since the revolution has a focus leaping subjects who are very punitive and stringent blockade by the United States which includes in the restrictions and Healthcare Equipment Educational Program food and medicine the fact that a country like that can actually lead to the wild in medical internationalism has more doctors working overseas and the World Health Organization has pulled out from its Fire Technology industry that you know of i hope at this precise moment of the end of the pandemic but also you know that are Offering Solutions to diabetic foot also affects you know nearly half a 1000000000 people worldwide that are Offering Solutions for a lung cancer they have an lung cancer vaccine and unifier he which is currently being tried actually in new york so you know that there is always an attempt to sort of study the reputation of cuba because what what is a front for the system is if people start to examine cuba too closely and say well how is that possible how can this small arms and despite being a green find a marxist an economic and political power on the planet how can it have resisted but not only resisted because ringback i think the argument that im making in my book is that he was the best form of resistance has actually been to develop an alternative model of development and that is a socialist system from you know 3 years when he started to Human History and the old politics you use read the english language texts and they will tell you that this. The cuban revolution was only the 5 in france to solve your hate it was the satellite and so easy but by the time my book was published the cuban revolution has existed independent may and or longer out since the soviet bloc collapsed and before so there is a story to be told do you think the pictures if you see them on independent media and on social media of cuban doctors will finally put that to bed that it was somehow cuban communism only survived because of the u. S. S. R. I mean tell me about interferon b. Which i presume we americans wont be able to have access to as a possible therapeutic for corona virus because of the sanctions what is interferon be. Well interferon b. Is ringback an antiviral drug which the which is being developed by various Pharmaceuticals Companies around the world that the cubans have their version of interferon after today and that i am starting to work with interferons to move in 45 days they have their own distinctive cuban interface interferon product now this was very fortunate because within a few weeks of that they had a very very real an outbreak of and then the fever it was a form of thank you that had never been seen in the americans before and the cuban suspected the cia the state department of 98 but a recent investigation has using bioinformatics hands in the cubans claim shown that the cia was involved in the introduction of this then the fever now the cubans used the interferon in the 1st ever Mass Public Health campaign therapy advent combat the only fever and they were successful in that and they produced this product and its fair on how to be in 1906 it has Different Solutions and stabilizers to the products produced in other countries therefore it is a distinctly human product to have to think britain Boris Johnson better than donald trump of the United States should be asking to work with cuba on this i should say the British Government did thank the cuban government for. A loan in the caribbean accepting a shipper where covert per 1000. 00 cases were but britain has so far not condemned obviously the blockade joining this pandemic. No i mean the the British Government like most governments in the out in fact all governments in the weald ex usually except 2 which is the United States and israel does actually vote against the us blockade of cuba in the General Assembly in the amul where cuba condemns the blockade and so but the question is should should they be asking for access to this interferon which the chinese National Health commission and up to this antiviral are trying to come back every 90 minutes found it to be very effective its now according to documents ive seen at the top of them its for treatment and if this treatment has been solicited now from cuba by at least 15 countries were hearing but you know ive been contacted by people in the United States and in hospitals in here all they are also pretty desperate to get hold of this and you know they face the fact that they have the u. S. Brocade which will deny them access yes and if there is evidence that interferon alpha to be is you know assisting patients and stopping them get and stopping the slowing down the death rate reducing the deficit and the British Government should absolutely be talking to cuber about how they can access this about the point is cuba is characterized as being a dictatorship to have no democracy whatsoever and yet your book appears to be saying its a country where there is constant debate constant great takes constant changes of government policy through consultations and referendum well look there are different in understanding suppose human rights and democracy and so the United Nation recognizes 2 sets of human rights and one set of economic social and cultural rights the other set in Civil Liberties and political right now essentially plan socialist Economic System where Human Welfare is prioritized social economic and cultural rights have. To be prioritised and in the United States its about Civil Liberties and Political Rights which essentially means freedom to set up your own business its part of a People Freedom oath and speech but only if you have access you know all the freedoms that actually are mediated by your access to purchase and so in cuba the most fundamental right and the right to life and to have the right to life you need to have access free universally so all of those things that d we need to move food have education but they have a concept the concept of living which is much higher on the other question of democracy you know if you take the preferred political expression all of the mostly in france comes to those countries which is the multiparty system usually procapitalist parties and if you take that as meaning democracy you look for that in cuba youll find its missing and therefore you can conclude that cuba is not democratic but they have a different system of representation so i can give you an example the current process of for forms is taking place under the label of the guidelines for economic and social policy and these were produced these are actual guidelines on changes they want to see happening they were produced and distributed to every single cuban into beit about this document there when needed 9000000 people participating and those comments were registered and they were centralized and they were analyzed categorized and 68 percent of that document was subsequently change as a result of Public Opinion well if cuba has also better suited to cope with the pandemic the editor of the Peer Reviewed lancet said social justice was key in in responding to the pandemic and collective action is going to be more useful than thatcherite blairite individualism what about now the threat of capitalism emerging on the island well you know that. Cubas room for maneuver has been restrained and restrained and particularly since the transit ministration. They have introduced these reforms which i referred to which do create spaces for the market they have created many cells and totally for many on Small Businesses and all of these things are an economic necessity why they need to not make necessity because like any country in the well let alone a country under developed or centuries as i said cuba needs capital it cannot get a couple it needs for investments in infrastructure and productivity and for improvements in peoples lives can get things done and the frou. Keeper is not a member of the i. M. F. The wealth bank or any of these other International Financial institutions the problem is that the trumpet ministration has revised all of the openings of the papers of course and im and never go into the blockade in fact he has the programs are very limited but the drunken ministration has now taken advantage possibly more aggressive than any president since the cuban the beginning of the cuban revolution has not been something called free of the countdown tonight now the helms burton act was a piece of u. S. Legislation which codifies the only blockade in law but type of free was never implemented because ringback it had such drastic implications not just became a vote for any town tree in the world want to trade with cuba and enough of it what it implies is that any us business or individual who own property that was nationalized during the revolution where you are or not the fact is that they will offer compensation which they turned and if any 1st part of being then invests with or or has any kind of business with the property now they can be sued in the us court so they are totally illegal in International Terms its actually a territorial application of the us role dont tell me i think thank you. Lots of the show will be back on wednesday irans Islamic Republic day is the u. S. Sanctions country that reported a saloon a virus death every 10 minutes now received support from cuba until then for all the news not covered by the Mainstream Media join the on the ground by following us on you Twitter Facebook instagram and sometimes. Thats the Crucial Point of the book and bottom line of the book namely i think youre pretty much stuck with your looks but if you have other things that youre good at either music or running or doing intellectual work or politics then one should take advantage of ones advantages and project ours and forget about the fact that you may not be the best looking person on the block. The Atlantic Alliance the bedrock of the post world war 2 Global Security on earth is slowly but surely unraveling more and more often washington and brussels diverged on important Foreign Policy issues today europe has a choice to defend its interests or fade into oblivion