Suffered from the disease thats a good inclusion in the United StatesIntelligence Community and a bombshell report we learned about widens day so where does that leave u. S. Officials in their fight against the pen demick for analysis we turn 1st to gordon chang asia expert and contributor for the daily beast he is in new jersey garden in your opinion has this china under reported this cases of the coronavirus. Yeah clearly larry china has under reported coronavirus cases and deaths and it continues to do so so for instance this week were getting numbers 36 or 7 new infections a day but theyre not reporting any Community Transmissions theyre saying that any transmissions are from imported cases and other words chinese nationals returning to china this is a situation which is inconsistent with all of them modeling is inconsistent with the reporting that were getting from inside the and i dont really and certainly it is not consistent with the way this virus has acted around the world so i think that we can say with confidence that china is not telling us the truth about the crime of virus infections why why would they not one of a high alone why would they not tell us the truth you know thats a great question larry and i think it has to do with beijing trying to give the impression that china has recovered and because of that they want businesses to return to china they Want Congress inside the country to go back to normal levels theyre just trying to get back to where it was before the virus hit and that is the only explanation i can come up with you know the other thing of course is that they want to show that their system is subpoena or to ours a so they want to be able to demonstrate that they were able to lift the virus. But it is really to figure out why because you know as this progresses were starting to learn a lot more about whats going on and the inconsistency is dont do china any good. To how gordon chang would you describe the United States chinese relations at this minute. I think theyre tense theres a my sense is that there is anger at the top of the American Government for what beijing has done it deliberately hid the virus it then tried to tell the world that there was no human to human transmission that led to the epidemic becoming a pandemic and you know as we say heard from the White House Briefing yesterday theres a sense that we were misled and i think people in washington are are pretty white hot angry. This chinese they if we dont get the right information indias think they send out deliberately misinformation. I think that clearly that is what they did you know we saw for instance beijing tell the World Health Organization that there were no Community Transmissions and the w. H. O. Put that out on a tweet on january 4th or keep become infamous and i think that beijing did that because it wanted the International Community to sort of keep links with china but what they did of course was by keeping those links at a time when they knew about Community Human to human transmission they help spread the virus around the world so. You know i dont know whats in the minds of chinese leaders but if they wanted to spread this virus. They would did exactly what they would have done so theres got to be some real questioning of beijings motives here a National Review article posted online tuesday asserted that china has to be held responsible for this pandemic you agree. I do agree larry its unfortunate but this really was gong to should have only been a local epidemic in the center of china but because of the secrecy because of misleading the World Health Organization and the United States and others this is now spread to most corners of the world now i dont know exactly how were going to hold china accountable but there are many different ways to do that but thats going to be i think the conversation not only in washington but also in other capitals as well as people understand that it was chinese actions that led to the spread of the virus beyond chinas borders so i think that when the virus subsides and believe that its going to be in the summer the conversation around the world is going to be what kind of regulations the world will happen china and what kind of costs the world will impose on beijing for really irresponsible and reckless behavior we have heard nothing from north korea do you think theyre free of this. You know and clearly theyre not. There are hints that were getting that the virus has spread throughout north korea so for instance they put foreign diplomats under a 30 day quarantine which is completely inconsistent with the notion that there are no coronavirus cases there the border between china and north korea was open for a long period when beijing was denying the existence of the disease and because of the substantial traffic. Im sure that there have been a number of cases in north korea which have now probably be blown epidemic there is a lot of indications that north korea is asking for help why would it ask for help if it didnt have a coronavirus emergency gordon chang as always thanks so much for your expertise. Well thank you eric i really appreciate the opportunity is a pleasure now welcome to our show Lieutenant GeneralRussel Honore ray hes perhaps best known for serving as the commander of the joint Task Force Katrina where he was responsible for coordinating katrina affected areas across the gulf coast as related to the military he has been critical of the governments response to the coronavirus pandemic he joins us from baton rouge do you do you remain a critic general or have things improved. I do remain to credit because i know youre going to learn. Where are we failing. Well. Number one. Issue decisive diets. We knew from day one the technique we should be using is people stayed in whole and we selectively. Use that across the state level to go with us and we still have some 10 states still not pricey social distance we dont want to have a logistics problem and then we do not have enough equipment yet to doctors in the hospital. And we still havent fixed that problem. And from the perspective of how we managing netlist just. I learned a long time ago that you know when you do you want to disasters through logistics. Our logistics set up after we use all the latrobe hes going to give us a femur to try and support the governors and recycle we use you respect it in there weve got seeds competing with federal government so those who are the big ones the messaging on what we want people to do and where we want. To hear of not having to test then point when we have the tests and we dont have to test every no tests is key youre going to find people wholl or asymptomatic those that are evil you know to protect your workers and we still have to test each. I suppose one test test does your diligence the streets and straighten up the messaging and this is been going on now for buck or week since i did my 1st interview about this letter is the military sufficiently involved in your opinion. Were giving you. The struggle to go during an operation like this is a Community Control a logistics management. B. Yo but decided to give this has to fema. And theyre not a Logistics Organization there write checks. But we do logistics 24 sevenths around the world you know our coach from being one that dismantlement in tracking of the equipment should military generals you just logistically use it but they didnt go that way with the fema and not you know any ad hoc group. To try and meet the needs of fall out of all equipment p p e n ventilators besides the media has anyone in government waged out to you for any help and theres no. Messaging well thats it if you were to try this is they or i treat the white houses. All the agencies and i have a feeling youre listening to see were going to cover a lot of some lowers coming back to me i didnt want to say the bright spot oh it is the sacrifice that no 1st responders the people who are here about hospitals and nurses and doctors and hospitals step across the border or they have shown much courage and they will have to deal with the majority you know the real ugly part of dealing with this kind them because they witness up people dying in the hospital who cannot recover from this very bad virus. Were talking with retired Lieutenant GeneralRussel Honore he was commander of joint Task Force Katrina and well be right back with more of the general after these words. Better of long russian and why. Im a journalist its all i know being a truth teller people say i make among come from good news is like a jackhammer good drill down until you find the truth. Because its time to do news again and question more. Better if long russian airlines. It is now a time in america for the surf class the workers who are making minimum wage they cant survive they have to have 2 or 3 minimum wage jobs theyre rising up theyre going on strike at cel one of the fallouts of the in 1000. 00 play wont be much higher wages along. Back with general. General Russell Honore ray hes joining us from baton rouge Lieutenant General whats the situation d currently like in louisiana. Louisianas. Is getting worse larry its going to get worse for you you know. Every day the number of people dying and one being admitted because we their 1st test we did it 70 days a going to take the men long to get the results back right about the numbers of people thats been certified and having the virus. Unfortunately it takes of up that Mountain Time for people to test it down to go in with durward is the issue it described as double pneumonia then theyre certified sammy the virus and it was then i helped enough to survive it and the words were secondary conditions you know not surviving those with diabetes elderly obese or having car issues its hard for people with those conditions to survive high what it what would you say that in this time of peril and theres no other better word for it and you handled katrina so well what would you say to americans now watching and others around the world what advice would you give what thoughts do you have number one i think you were going to work our way out of this is each one of us need to assume we have a good virus. And everybody you meet have it so the social distance werent. Except on if you only were going to see versus us you know jet planes to attack me said to me you know bombs are dropped on it its actions of the people. Use the most effective way to stop this bars from the world not for a prank he said the issues of social business is washing not is not tension umma and we dont need to wear mess for a damn lot all people c. C. And health and Human Services tell us nowhere fast are about and to save not when we see effective careers and the 2nd poorest and with every by where and medicine charity now it might be a good idea everybody to get on board because if every state dont try to use it social justice is now state whole watching news where a man did follow me dont taxi assume you got in soon the other person hadnt and that is the only way we could stop this virus from attacking us and our fruits are not family but we can get past this but its going to be the actions that the American People it was based on what the government do i guarantee you know. Everything the government is goes people are arrested it was what the government could doug early on was to give us early was all it did not treat this lack of political hack job and be shrink with the American People its a replete with Gerald Wilson president wilson did in rwanda see it happening to get thank you general wise words as always thanks so much for being with us as you can see to get a return visit now for my next guest dr bob are not the former chief medical correspondent for n. B. C. And c. B. S. News and an Award Winning journalist to boot your winners in mid march doc. Or surprised you most about whats happened with theirs since then. Well there really has become the greatest crisis perhaps in the last 100 years its unbelievable you know as the president said the other day more americans are apt to die over the next month or so and have you know in decades so i just the think the Staggering Force of this you know it it literally has been like its 2 nami where people are playing on the beach reading a book and theres this giant 100 foot crushing wave headed towards them ive been on the phone all day today and yes a last couple days with hospitals in boston New Hampshire new york city trying to respond terms of increased the number of events that theyve been able to get there and its just completely beyond the imagination how sick people are and how many people are dying how do you rate the trump administrations handling of us. We its really tough to say about this larry that you know there are a lot of miscues here that the chinese mr early on the bureaucrats and wouldnt try to cover it up then the chinese didnt tell us then we had a lot of warning there then i think you know even more warning with you types the trouble is just gauging the enormity of this now my friends will kill me for saying this but i listen to these White House Press conferences every day and i would give the president s team very high marks and i do think that the president gets a lot of credit for being you know reasonably upbeat about this and you know trying to keep the National Mood up even though this is a staggering capacity you know catastrophe you know whatever burst that is fantastic you know shes great terms of the modeling. Work with since 1983 when i 1st started at c. B. S. So its an all star team but its felt she said you know this is the nightmare scenario you know the of the ebola sent in those hemorrhagic fevers they kind of burn themselves up because people get too sick to travel here weve found people can travel completely asymptomatic and it may be 25 percent of the infections that come from somebody who doesnt even know theyre infected so it is the nightmare scenario but i think that supported become calm and i got a tape i have never seen so much transparency in government you know a question was asked one day why did you shut down the United Kingdom the next day the shutdown theres a question about stuff and i love the way that the administration is able to respond incredibly quickly you know i think theyll be a lot of president for being late but i do think that you know day to day i give them high marks for their responses how about the governors of states how are they doing. You know i think its a mixed picture i think some of been very reticent you know some states like arizona really havent you know shut down at all yet which may prove to be a mistake florida was a little bit light. I think our governor up here in vermont been very proactive i think that cuomo has done you know a terrific job really pushing pushing pushing for these vets im talking to the hospitals at one or 2 oclock in the morning and theyre begging for events you know we found in fact that there were missing a broken parts to the vents coming out of the the stockpile thats what we believe they came from inside and working to try to replace those parts and they are desperate for these ventilators theyre down to just 2 or 3 and you know theyre telling me the other day larry is that you know in the last week what you lost were you know the older individuals who had risk factors who the flu might have killed you know tragic but might have killed anyhow now youre looking at young people and one of the most interesting things they said was that its the younger people who are voting who are cigarette smoking who are smoking marijuana word infects the obvious that little air sac there thats for the virus attack and so the tragedy is going to be you know the younger people who get this virus and then you die before i just did want to get one shot out here to russia i was really moved with that plane that they sent to the United States you know were talking about moving ventilators and respiratory therapist you know from one sort of epi center to the other and i think thats going to happen between country cut to country to country and i really think russia has set the mark there by showing how youre you move from one country to the other and it was it was very touching i really was very impressed youre a former colleague of dr found gee how would you rate his performance. You know i would give tony. And a plus plus extra credit because you see there hasnt been good enough information the model to really decide whats going on i mean they theyve you know they havent known whos going to die you know like among the younger patients in london now they found out that those on ventilators have a high b. M. I. Meaning theyre overweight they have metabolic syndrome which is sort of diabetes on steroids they found you know pregnant women are on it so there are all these new demographics you whos going to get weve a younger population than italy so the models constantly changes cant we constantly adjusting to this but i would i give them a plus plus and i give deborah never burks an a plus plus 2 i think shes been very transparent you know theyre they the models have all been you know surprises us every day at the News Conference itself fast things are moving you know this onslaught of new york is going to be you know unbelievable tragedy and yet theyre adapting in the you know theyre keeping a you know a positive face on this and i think for the president you know there will be books written about this about all the mistakes that were made while america slept but i think right now in the president president faced with this enormous tragedy now is the time we really have to do as much as we can you know im 1820 hours a day try trying to get parts trying to find ventilators today were actually looking at a very interesting thing larry it turns out that you know a lot of these patients when they come into the e. R. If they had a very high flow ventilation of oxygen through their nostrils at a High Pressure they may not crash because the biggest tragedy is this people have the disease for maybe 4 or 5 days they start to get short of breath they have 8 hours and then they crash i mean their oxygen saturation falls and theyre not on a ventilator they die very quickly and so catching those patients is important so i just learned yesterday in new york that there are these machines that do that i had a call in to new zealand oh. They make some of them in New Hampshire where they make others trying to adapt to this so you know its one of the most fascinating stories of our time and i think that one thing youre going to see in the United States with the medical excellence you know the teams like the c. D. C. And dr pao chicken and never burke says that were going to get very very quickly you know you look at hospitals like mass general york presbyterian a dartmouth hitchcock you know theyre adapting theyre looking at it and i think were going to change the face of this disease i think were you know really going to win a lot of these fronts here as long as we can get the equipment and understand a lot more about this disease than we had up until now so its going to be fascinating medically even though of course its an unparalleled tragedy for many do you think that under 200000 deaths would be a victory. And they would you know original these models looked at 2700000 deaths when you look at the Staggering Number of infections here i think it is a victory if you had 200000 or even 250000. I think the interesting bigger victory is that when we go and look at the background that is right now were doing a test that only shows active infection theres a company in the called bio america that now has a serial logical test me you take a blood test and using antibodies you can determine if somebody had the infection once we have that Background Information you know if we can get a death rate thats less than one percent thats point 6. 7 percent that will be a victory the dog thank you as always stay well. Thank you very great shout thanks for really beat the forefront of the step atlantic as you have been at the forefront of the news for decades we all tremendously admire you thank you for joining me on this edition of politicking remember you can join me on my Facebook Page or tweet me of kings things and dont forget to use the politicking hash tag and thats all for this edition of politicking. Heteros along russian and like this. 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