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Max kaiser this is the kaiser report they create to create back who is on sect not me but apparently millions are wow whats going on here stacy well you know when we look at our economic headlines and our financial and Banking System headlines what wed like to do is put it within the context of where we sit geo politically culturally domestically all those sort of things so when you look at this story you see that were in a new mindset that were a post 2016 voting generation they carry their ideas they transmit their ideas through means so this is an interesting story here i dont quite understand who these kids are but nevertheless for generations easy and millennial stick talk is our clubhouse and trump threatened it said youre a black and 19 year old tic toc user in california who joined in that app protest if youre going to mess with us we will mess with you and this is the tick tock teens are calling them and you know trump is threatening to shut down tick tock to make it unavailable to americans and their millions of teenager is 19 year olds 20 year olds 21 year olds addicted to this and theyre using text to coordinate Political Action i. E. To order tickets to his free events to make his events and rallies empty this is interesting and now its similar to the robin hood traitor generation right theyve got millions of people on robben it typically they are teenagers and well ales and jens a who just found a stock market for the 1st time and theyre able to push around prices you know they were buying stock in bankrupt hertz and other bankrupt companies but they were trading for a dollar or 0. 50 or 0. 20 apiece so it looks very pealing theres a unit bias the unit price bias that goes along people think that something is if its. Less than a dollar they think thats quote unquote cheap and so a teen teenager might not really have the maturity to understand why that not the case but anyway now i checked out on the political realm theyre using the force of the power of their ability to persuade right so to persuasion of the ticktock users is pretty high because they have huge mass right so its about amps right that amps Work Together and they can create incredible structures closer totally coordinated and so the talk amps in this case are how the ability to i think change Election Outcomes and so this will be interesting its also the huge gap between the elite the Mainstream Media who are supposed to interpret things for us remember as we covered recently because at the mouth functioning of the elite messaging system they dont know how to communicate with these people so all they do is come up with conspiracy theories is the same throughout Human History for thousands of years we always come up with conspiracy theories or multiple gods as the greeks did to explain thunderstorms and earthquakes and things like that it had to be there had to be some explanation so its going to be a mysterious one that they the elites cant control here theyre going to say like it as a tick tock that the Chinese Government is controlling these 19 year olds to be so unruly and to you know empty out trumps events but well see how that unfolds but in terms of this sort of psychology and this gap and thinking and one thing that you always hear this the political front is you know if america so horrible as Many Americans will say because thats our right to you know to question and challenge and and challenge assumptions and if its so horrible then why does everybody want to move here and this is jimmy song coming up with exactly the explanation for i believe the ultimate reason people immigrate to him. America is because of the dollar their countries of origin suffer to one degree or another from inequalities caused by the dollar and the cantillon effects in the us make immigrating economically rational because can change this well weve made that point many times before in discussing the roman empire you know people want to see migrate to rome because they were victims of the roman empire so theres once youre inside the walls you know you will be insulated against the ravages of the of the empire so people want to come to america because they are being victimized by the u. S. Dollar germany and jimmy song rightfully points that out so its misconstrued in the media as people want to come here because theres great tacos and they love the suburbs of atlanta and in particular what happened in rome is you have this massive empire the only empire to be as big is really the United States empire how did and back then however in order to finance that they needed real money not just fake money that they could print out of nothing so they needed gold they needed silver they needed real wealth they needed to tax their citizens so if you could just roam freely around the world at that time like how did what why do you agree to be a citizen why do you become a citizen of rome because only non citizens of rome could be slaves so if you were not a citizen of rome there was a chance very good chance you would become a slave and therefore you wanted to become a citizen of rome and the same thing here youre a slave a fortune of sanctions of capriciousness of the empire to decide to crunch cut your country off through no fault of your own as an individual resident of that country that youre cut off from the financial grid for example the greatest trick the devil ever polled was convincing americans that america is not an empire frank as a rock and stone consider america as an empire but once you leave america. I said to my partner no nobody wants to believe that they have any privilege that its all their own doing so of course as we have covered the american dollar is the most exorbitant privilege of all and were going to look at domestically though because there are some interesting headlines in terms of this exorbitant privilege and the the way that the empire exists only through the dollar you know as we have trillions of dollars already printed from the fed falso from the treasury remember 3 trillion dollars borrowed this past quarter and now we enter a new quarter and it looks like were going to have trillions of dollars more that nancy pelosi is promising for more bailouts so whether or not the dollar could possibly survive this who knows but maybe in and if everybody continues to just believe in an all feel out world perhaps but with this conflict emerging between china and the us i cant see it surviving some of these data points that were going to look at 32 percent of u. S. Households missed their july housing payments yeah thats an extraordinary number of the numbers are extraordinary so 32 percent of u. S. Households missed their july payment right the ripple effects in terms of the economy are enormous because of course that doesnt only hurt the homeowners and renters but it hurts the landlords who are leveraged as well and then the banks who are leveraged to the landlords and it has a compound in effect you know einstein said compound being interest as one of the 8th wonder of the universe or something to that effect he pointed out that its an incredible force and he also said that if youre on the right side of the compound interest its a miracle but if youre on the wrong side its a devastating nightmare and so as the economy exponentially collapses the inflation that came over the past 40 or 50 years has going to be working in reverse and its going to be quite devis. Sating and i notice that the central bank has over 30 percent of the g. D. P. Is owned by the central bank and they want to compete with japan and take it up to 100 percent and so these numbers are really off the chart so my theory about this is tying back to your aunts that and start sit down and speak and coordinate and decide like a you and a you go over there and go pick up those crumbs over there and bring it back to the queen its just instinctual they instinctually organize and a brilliant way just like the starlings flying across the sky information its not like theyre writing it down on paper and all that sort of stuff the same thing here as we see the type going out we see the instincts of human beings our inner life lizard that were preparing for these sort of events we see it in the accumulation of gold in china and russia and other nations starting to stockpile the gold we saw with germany retrieving their gold repatriating a back in the us after 4050 years theres a sort of sense an instinct in our genes in our shared a common global you know organism that we are and then here in the United States with this 32 percent of u. S. Households mr july housing payments is 1st of all your they cant kick you out because of the coronavirus so you can collect instead of paying your 3 and a half 1000. 00 a month for rent stockpile it cash it up so we see the savings rate pile up like people are going to be ready for a reset either in the Monetary System or with their own personal Household Wealth because theyve stockpiled say you know 1214000. 00 that they havent had to pay the last 30 the last 3 or 4 months and then they just move right but at least you have cash now but you dont have to pay that off so its the same instinct you see globally geopolitically geo economically and domestically and it does also add credence to the idea. That weve been saying that the Global Economy stopped in 2008 and it was papered over with a lot of money printing that could last maybe 10 or 12 years and there we are 12 years later and its really is now evident that the Global Economy came to a complete halt in 2000 or nay and there was the attempt to create simulated animation by the formaldehyde of money injection and now that hasnt works its leaking out as the corpse to kazan falls apart after a while no matter how much you pump into it if it doesnt hold it because the corpses of the Global Economy is is is fine and this is causing the instincts of survival to kick and remember during a tsunami the smart animals run away from from the shoreline and the silly humans those who are unprepared dont see the true disciple oh well look the tide receding i can pick up all these pretty shells are free p. P. M. Bailouts p p p p p p p p p l o o o o heres a tsunami well you talk about actually feeling and another final headline here and far and it shows this this inevitability of the end of the dollar and how everybodys instincts are seeing this because you know everybody keeps on saying oh theres a v. Shaped recovery in the stock markets that are all time highs and everybodys booming in robin hood and all that stuff but just to remind you of the chart of truth 10 year yields still heading for sub 0 and if you go below 0 thats it for the u. S. Dollar most people most investors are thinking along the lines of like an Emily Dickinson problem like because i could not stop for death he kindly stopped for me you know youre east too busy like making money that you cant stop to contemplate the death of the dollar it is the chart of truth and it does show that the dollar is collapsing. And the stock market says the same thing and if you look at some bob way ours around or venezuela. See what happens when the currency collapses so the rest all are is collapsing we have evidence and. Well i think the u. S. Dollar is the global standard so it is all currencies that are collapsing it is the standard that is collapsing it will disappear because where adam moment of truth is that as he says is the charter truth is recognizing the moment of truth that the trap then ends or reality all the while you last saw the dollar means that theyre going up the common just to balans take the money right out of your account there wont be just like a policy correction and youll see all Interest Rates will change also you know itll be a property taxes or tripling were bailing in the banks taking your money and we its going to be catastrophic hey we got to take a break and when we come back much more coming your way. From the alex im unsure when ill be speaking to us of the world of politics or business im sure ill see you. On my. Visit was a bit. More about. What weve. 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Welcome back to the report imax keyser time now to go to sonny ray he is the cofounder of the unit coined full disclosure we are early investors in this company the company was shut down by the government of india but recently in a remarkable turn of events the Supreme Court ordered them really open sunny ray welcome back to the kaiser report how you do it oh great now before we get into the Supreme Court decision tells the story of unocal in a little bit the the largest because an exchange in india last i checked how why and when did you start the company signing so december 23rd team it was when it will clean the lines we came up with the idea i think it was 3 maybe 4 months prior to that it was really just a function of us hosting the 1st set of meet ups and events in bangalore and realizing that there was no place to send people to go and buy and so basically that was the genesis of the 8 yeah and you know how weve had more than a few times where weve had to now interact with the government on several fronts and so. Do the death and journey you can call it that its a great story because so many people so many times say oh my gosh one of the government shuts it down right so you actually have that experience so this is a great case study on a government in this case a media and an exchange and in case you know a coin and tell us so tell us about the whole interaction what the government whether the government shut you down were you completely blindsided by it and what was their reason for shutting it down tell us about it at that event december 2030 where we lost you know calling we had actually invited people from the government and in fact people dont know but we had invited the r. B. I. And people from the had showed up as well a week after our launch there was a notice put on the r. B. I. s website saying that you says you arning people about because risk. More namely around volatility and security and thats a notice resurfaced its on their website a few times over the years and then 2 years ago me clear it wasnt that our exchange was shut down or any of the keys were shut down what did happen is that the r. B. I. To notice which stated that banks were not allowed to work with Big Companies and get the Crazy Companies and so for us as an exchange as a brokerage that obviously had a devastating impact on the business and over the last 2 years weve been senshi you know in the Supreme Court. Ruling from a coin in india so if you want to go to some details there but thats kind of the you know overarching theme of events if you will thats a fascinating story tell us more youre battling in the Supreme Courts and the court system for bet going tell us more sunny ray theres a lot i mean you have to wait for the Bollywood Movie for free for the full 4 hour you know indepth but ill just give this to my late so. That you know how the thing that i feel kind of gets overlooked in terms of when most people are talking about the india situation is is is really kind of the have much of an impact will point as a company had it within this makes as were going to talk about it because im one of the cofounders but i dont even really consider myself one of the few rows in the story i think that euros or people like such fake and aris who did a lot if you ask you know peel back the onion and look at this court case you know recently have been where the Quick Community essentially was victorious and then had this bank been removed in the now you know Bank Services are back you know the lions share that the lawyer fees and all of that were handled by aucoin if you again look at the story line of what happened within the court case i received and the kind of what happened with regard to his situation. Was also a Central Point in determining. So you know some of the highlights you know i can go through more detail weve got to we did a quaint esque consensus interview so i think i recently people i want to check that out you know here about the 5 kind of main points that the r. B. I. Brought up and how you know our lawyers a fantastic job in kind of countering that but yeah but those are those are 2 things i know and you know and then in the real thanks goes to. Guys like you and your company and stacy in for believing in an innocent investing as. Not recently but i want time ago rate so that thats a huge thanks to you and guys like barry silver and draper and say adam dr draper and and most importantly i would say a big thank you troy customers rate were expecting the other day over a 1000000 downloads on the Android Store max can you believe that you know so those are the people that have been supporting us along the way end and want to you know come on your show and say that and we have that simon dixon our there back to the future who was really really early supporter along with myself and so what right we will read that article what the 5 major points but give us the biggest point as you recall when you look at the case the main point was at the end was we were fighting the fact that we thought that this bank then was unconstitutional right so one of the main points that everything went up to is that judges asked well how is it that this is associate of companies can claim that you know that certain thing is unconstitutional the constitution applies to people and so in next tuesday as well give us an example of where a person was directly impacted and thats i dont know if you if you recall the full story. A year ago or so year and a half ago you know we have by the bed and we have the best techno legal players that shares our company is going to miss it hes a legend in india and we take pride in doing things the right way always make sure were on the right side of the law yet there was some confusion around and a. T. M. Machine that we launched a year ago and so i think in her hes paid a very heavy price through a call during that time and they were wrongfully put in jail and so that case was actually brought up in this battle as like an example of where you know or somebodies business where their livelihood and where life in the truly impacted in. You know i can go through more of the technicalities around you know big corn and whatnot but from our perspective that also played a big role while youve taken tremendous heat for the industry because how this plays out will affect the end astri around the world and in india have quite interesting they also. Practically during this time have a massive day monetization scheme going on can you explain exactly what the government and the how you think this might impact the economy Going Forward sunny money tie thiessen essentially took place a few years ago when one day. People in india woke up and was told were told that the bank no specifically you know a specific type of denomination or 2 of them were said that they were no longer valid and and what people would have to do as they would have to essentially come into the banks to show their proof of income and you know that they pay taxes and everything and then they could get new notes that were then issued to them. And so yeah that was essentially you know if you want to take. It you know how i think. It affects a korean just the theory thin money you know if you look at it find ability is obviously something that people value in the end it comes to money and so when a form of currency doesnt demonstrate that in your own lifetime and sure a lot of people begin to question things like what is money and whats the source of that and i think only when people are asking questions do they kind of started or ate a parm you know they could get clean maybe solve some of these problems and i think that happened be saw you know a big uptick in declining interest and and what not and you know the way i think about it i dont really think about it as like either or i mean i think yeah currencies should continue to exist they play a role great but equally should exist as a thermometer as like a way of keeping things in check. People who choose to opt out and have another asset class to invest in this as an option and thats all replied i found it interesting because you know the history of paper money going back 300 years there have been hundreds of versions of paper money and not have survived 1. 00 the british pound has lost 90 more than 90 percent of its purchasing power its effectively dead but not no paper money has ever survived here in india as you point out that the amount of the nations game the government suddenly one day decided all your paper money is worthless you know you have to swap it for new paper money and so this means that people who believe they have wealth tied up with paper money should consider the fact that they do not now in india you have a credible tradition of gold and owning gold and women in india in particular own a lot of gold 20000. 00 tons is the Largest Store of gold in the world and some of this would seem to be a place where people already understand gold and they have a government thats already demonstrated the fallibility of paper money isnt this going to be a tender box of bitcoin adoption and once people understand that this solves all the problems on the right 100 percent if they were to pile on to that narrative. 2 couple of the points i would mention is people also talk to digital gold 100 percent of a totally agree the 2nd point would be what the other big narrative around because remittances people talk about how remittance is going to be the next thing that big quake disrupts i actually believe thats true whats the biggest remittance market in the world india made more d money goes back to india from outside of india than any other country so i think the quick can play a role there if you think about the fact that you know. For early adopters of bequia it helps to have a bit of technical background and you look at you know whats the biggest population in the world or 2nd maybe in the world most improved programmers and i think professionals see again india who has the most number of one day people out there well india i mean this is the. The queen was almost like it was made for india you know and so im really excited about the future you know weve been pretty quiet for the last few years because of this case and so now i just want to thank you again max really give me this opportunity to get the word out and then reassign to come on and say thanks again like ari such big are investors and believe our customers for believing in. These ones and zeros but really this idea because as you point out in the same survey tailor made for bitcoin and when i talk to simon dixon when we put together their actual seed round you know we looked a lot of Different Companies the best and you know coin came up and i just like this is a dead simple this is going to be here now heres a heres kind of an f. Kind of another look at things so they the reserve bank and then he had the r. B. I. Supreme court of india a whole bunch of high priced lawyers some entrepreneurs theyve all looked a bit quiet and theyve all the side of it that actually if this thing has a Bright Future are we going to say as weve seen in other countries the Indian Government itself the side that you know what he who has the most bitcoin in this world is probably the best possession of the 21st century i think the Indian Government will take that step and start mining because im for its own reserves i havent seen any indicators that would indicate it and they are talking about doing a you know a rupee on the block change at the thing look i mean do i think it would be highly intelligent for the r. B. I. To consider taking maybe one percent now lets just having one percent of their reserves in in because i think it would be a very intelligent absolutely as it would be for the canadian government or the American Government any other government and i dont see that happening i dont see indications of it i think it may start in other countries 1st and then maybe when the president has said others will follow but you know youre right i get it by the same think there are a. Half way down the road so maybe its time to go fall down that road sonny rice thanks so much bang on the kaiser report awesome thank you all right thats going to do it for this edition of the kaiser apart with me max foster and Stacy Herbert want to thank our guests sunny ray cofounder of unocal a and if you like get in touch with us on twitter its kaiser report intellects i buy off. We go to work. Straight home. 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