A policing system with a few bad apples not institutional racism today the trumpet ministration terminates the us 2020 census and one comedian activist who has fought for sentence reform and Bernie Sanders is palestinian american comedian. Thanks so much for coming on so even though were looking forward to the v. P. Debate im going to ask you what did you think of the great show of democracy in ohio last week where are your top politicians and in your country debated the issues of the day yeah i mean it wasnt very promising or exciting if youre an american whos interested in democracy i mean look it was chaotic and probably a lot of that helps donald trump i mean that chaos is something that he looks forward to because talking about actual policies doesnt help him and biden didnt do a great job i think either i think the biggest sort of losers in this debate were progress. When biden says as a centrist who still is subject to a lot of criticism from the left when he says that donald trump sort of reassuring Many Americans that he said i am the Democratic Party thats not something that progressive like me here the Republican Party has outperformed its Popular Support over the years because its always appealed to its base and look for ways to expand right words and the Democratic Party hasnt looked at the how to expand the left word instead it always focuses on the center and thats always very muddy and loses a lot of potential support from the left a lot of the commentators the prodemocrat commentators said biden did well by not losing. But on the progressive issues that you mentioned given that Kamala Harris has expressed support previously for the Green New Deal and the world has seen the pictures of the wildfires in the United States the Climate Crisis being ugly the existential threat to the earth how is she going to triangulate the position of not supporting the Green New Deal on wednesday well unfortunately the whole Biden Harris Campaign and biden from the beginning and now paris since shes jumped on i mean lets not forget she supported the Green New Deal that she didnt she supported medicare for all and then she didnt you know this whole campaign from the democrats has been predicated on appealing to this sort of middle of the road and i think sort of imaginary independent voter which you know has sort of reliably voted republican over the last few cycles why did obama win decisively twice because despite his shortcomings in actual policy he campaigned to the left he campaigned to progressivism and hope and change in these kinds of things by is not doing that at all biden is openly saying and harris now that she is joining him or openly saying look were campaigning to the center these ideas that Bernie Sanders had im sure were sort of giving them a little bit of lip service for were not really going to do any of those things. The harris pens campaign will have less fireworks because it doesnt include donald trump but its going to be substantially very similar this debate coming up with harris and pence might be even more disappointing to progresses because itll be a lot clearer whats happening we dont have the tapes yet from the d. N. C. From wiki leaks like we did in 2016 when it was exposed that there was sabotaging Bernie Sanders who you are sorry get off but surely there is electoral sense here the fact is biden has can take your vote for granted in all of this support is vote for granted anyway yeah i mean that is the way they seem to be campaigning and i dont know why they didnt learn the lessons of 2016 or simply look at what the republicans of done over the years to over perform the way that you want to campaign is that you expand your base and expand the people that you appeal to what Bernie Sanders did successfully and as he brought in people who had not been involved in the electoral process before thats why he would be killing trump right now because hed have Traditional Democratic voters and an expanded base of brand new voters what biden did very quickly is he constricted that progressive base told them look youre not really welcome here im not going to be with medicare for all im not going to be with a Green New Deal im not going to say that people shouldnt die simply because they cant afford their health care im going to stick to private health care im going to be very hawkish with israel im not going to talk clearly about palestinian rights all these things right hes going to appeal to the middle of that is a recipe for a loss and what theyre saying to us is you have to vote for us no we dont you know no we dont i mean look im probably going to walk into a voting booth in michigan in november and im probably going to vote for joe biden but i still have 2 more debates to watch and i still have to worry about my community and my community the Arab American Community which is very large here especially in michigan is not just going to blindly. Go along with biden cause hes not trump ok trump is terrible we dont really look at trump we dont look at the g. O. P. Because they dont look at us but if the democrats are going to look at us as arab americans and as progressive as a voting bloc then they need to treat us with the respect that we deserve ok we didnt hear too much about Foreign Policy at that debate perhaps the next president ial debate we will what do you make of this man and to the blinken who was a top aide to biden when he voted for the iraq war i understand hes a top Foreign Policy adviser during this Election Campaign probably a seat at the table in the oval office should biden when he said the 2002 vote for the legal iraq war was a vote for tough diplomacy well hes still the top Foreign Policy advisor for the Biden Campaign hes if biden wins will probably be a National Security advisor or Something Like that and yes he is hawkish there is a sort of cabal of neo liberal hawkish Foreign Policy people that are at the center of the biden Foreign Policy thinking and this is very dangerous especially for the arab world in the muslim world i mean say what you want to bout trump he has a lot of terrible things about him especially domestically but hes sort of like an isolationist when it comes to military action he has engaged in a lot of military action at least as far as american standards go in the last 4 years and especially in the arab world and so its very fearful actually for a biden Foreign Policy and you have tony blinken who told arab american and palestinian communities this year that palestinians are to blame for our problems he told us that he repeated these lines of never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity he told us that one of the conditions of the Biden Campaign or the by the administration on palestinians will be have to have to outwardly accept that israel is a jewish state these are nonstarters for palestinians not one word about occupation remember this. The campaign a Foreign Policy led by blinking and biden that refused to include the word occupation in the Democratic Party platform so where are we going to be left ok were going to be left with it in ministration that doesnt completely shut us out like the trumpet ministration but in some ways is that worse when they let you in the door and say that they did and still dont do anything you want some people in our community believe that its better to stick remain oppositional on the outside that we can get more solidarity from other communities by being on the outside of remaining oppositional then playing a game with it in ministration that has 50 years of experience of protecting israel from any criticism in the world we need to criticize the biden platform now if he wins let him know that we were not taken for granted and that we need to be included clearly in the new administration and our objections need to be preserved if anyone wants to want your amazing video about arab americans they day should definitely if you want to just tell me about that specially on the census day but i think what im getting at here is we dont really know how many arab americans there are and if they dont vote for biden we know how small the swings were the broad trying to power could actually ironically arab americans be critical to electing bible in the 1st place yeah i mean we could you know were hundreds of thousands strong here in michigan and michigan could be the state that it all comes down to and its not only michigan we have Strong Communities in florida which is a swing state and pennsylvania as well and so the question is look you want to get into a booth secretly and vote for biden thats fine but celebrating him and organizing for him is a major major endorsement without getting anything in return yeah i might vote for biden but im not going to endorse him or organize form in fact quite the opposite im going to keep questioning him and criticizing him up until and after election day so he knows that were not something to be taken for granted if he wins. As arab americans we can swing this election maybe we did in 2016 when trump only won michigan by 10000 votes and i live in a neighborhood here and there dearborn michigan that has more than 10000 arabs just in this neighborhood so i mean they have to be very careful they cannot take us for granted and sometimes im worried about our own community because biden muttered in shala at the debate with trump and all of a sudden a lot of people went crazy oh my god he said a word in arabic what does that matter when he is telling palestinians that they dont deserve the same human rights as israelis when he is still saying that he wants to have strong relations with the saudi government when he is still you know praising these normalization deals with the u. A. E. And behind we have to be very careful not to accept crumbs you know aht i like homeless or saying and shahla is i think thats enough for you guys throwing right i mean of course the you alluded to it that the Obama Biden Administration was brutal on the arab world i mean you look at libya today we have a refugee crisis in the mediterranean do you think in any way that biden would change his stance on being a zionist on the move of the u. S. Embassy in jerusalem of reducing weapons sales to israel that are hitting gaza hes actually said on the record all sales of weapons to israel must never be conditional we have absolutely no evidence that biden is going to be open to palestinian concerns and we have to be very careful as palestinians and those who might show solidarity with palestinians not to let trump be the one who set the bar look trump is terrible trump is transactional hes pro zionist because he either doesnt know any better or he thinks hes going to get evangelical votes in the south but biden is an actual zionist like he actually believes in these things from a geo political strategy point of view and thats very dangerous and so far hes told us that he might return things to they way they were on. To the Obama Administration you know restoring funding to on rwa open up a p. L. O. Mission in d. C. But very very importantly without jerusalem he said very clearly he wont move the embassy back to tell of eve he wont even consider it he said very clearly before that if theyre warning israel wed have to invent one he said very clearly before im a zionist these are things that palestinians and american arabs in america and those who profess solidarity with the palestinian question here in america need to take very seriously and question very seriously and if you stay quiet during a campaign no matter how you end up voting but if you stay quiet during a campaign well thats approval of what hes doing and saying and its not going to win you a meaningful seat at the table when things are done its ok let me say the arabs around the world and arabs in america its ok to say no to a politician every now and then its ok to be oppositional you dont have to jump and scream when he says inshallah on t. V. You dont have to jump and scream when he says hes better than trump his policies are very very dangerous for us theyve been very dangerous for us and we have to be very clear and critical about that. Thank you. Thank you after the break from rampant environmental destruction to the staggering death toll of the u. S. War on drugs can collective acts help to heal collective trauma we are asking legendary. Filmmaker. About his new film psycho magic even though its. Going underground. Nuclear become a battleground in the u. S. People are demanding the shut down of a local plant. Is right now my focus because its a very dangerous. Power plant the owner is attempting to run the reactor beyond its operational limits this case just sort of puts a magnifying glass on wheres the power in this country wheres it going is it moving more towards corporate interests or is it more in the idea of a traditional participatory democracy is are powerline with the people this case demonstrates that struggle in very real ways a struggle. Welcome back in paul one we discuss the upcoming president ial election in the u. S. Next month throughout the course of the Campaign Period many of question devised the all of the candidates can do anything to change a world that appears to be rapidly heading towards destruction in the face a rising coronavirus death toll a new cold war imminent environmental catastrophe and a political plus that appears to be in no rush to change the status quo so if its down to the people how can collective acts of healing and resistance Save Humanity an issue explored in psycho magical healing arts the new film by legendary surrealist filmmaker ill hand. Dro going on the ground Deputy Editor jolly cook spoke to him via skype from paris to discuss the film as well as a new 4 k. Box set of his classic works out now just in the real you know i said that is you know and then that if enough people makes you. Wonder thank you so much for joining us and going underground just start by telling me about your new film psycho magic healing on when. They call me at the end or. 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The whole soviet raising conflict no hes not going to look at it is no very hot you tell you what you need to know and it is america in 2020 on similar events. Bolshevik revolution in 1970. People are demanding the shutdown of a local plant from yankee is right now my focus because its a very dangerous. Power plant the owner is attempting to run the reactor beyond its operational limits this case just sort of puts a magnifying glass on wheres the power in this country wheres it going is it moving more towards corporate interests or is it more in the idea of a traditional participatory democracy is or powerline with the people this case demonstrates that struggle in the very real ways. A struggle. The headlines this hour edging toward into full blown war the conflict between on media doesnt push on ive been when i cut it back and does it 2nd we our correspondent reports from the disputed territory. Things like this one. This tiny village alone was 6 massive. One of them landed and this is all the devastation that has left. Clashes between demonstrators and police in tel aviv over the weekend dozens arrested for violating controversial new song large demonstrations amid a spy i can tell you would care