To tell the truth i dont think that that will be fundamentally decisive of course one of the unique futures of these elections is the majority of the people vote by mail. You know made people care already made their. Decisions samurai. Made their minds i am. Well. You know your actual clear eyes of the president the jerks of jersey feature is the nature of this company ultimately be that as a result of with the. With substantial president and for the last several decades polarize a show of not just american political elites but also American Society well they need to pass on what you define as. Dearth lets talk about what i think is that substantively that we will news story bad and many mainstream outlets have it and nevertheless try to bury either by ignoring it altogether or trying to put it on the russians and talking about hunted by his laptop reportedly abandoned at a repair store and allegedly containing a trove of compromising material what is the most striking thing for you about this story well for me theres a russian observers a russian political analyst the most i would say most striking by sending a negative feature of this story is that russia is accused by both sides in that it was very explicit in the latest president ial in the latest the base because we dont trump and joe biden they both accuse each other. All the lurch which carries some links with russia. And they accuse each other over being a few leaders with russia and some russian but if you read any different way i think the trump campaign. Allows for a possibility of some sort of fresh assessed cyber cd as well as chinese if uranium i. T. T. And frankly american air activity i think as as adults we would concede that everybody has some cyber spying on the child there but i think when it comes to the democrats democrats and the allegations i totally different they say that you know these conjured biden stories it and other crime and hoax even though i think hes camp is not denying the authenticity of communications i mean it looks like a repeat of the attic cleans an email scandal once again blame you know to try to distract attention from the substance and try to look at blame on supposedly the messenger you know. The messenger and. I fully agree with your. Claim by the biting gun bane that russia cooled or russian intelligence could stay behind this latest scandal it is not surprising although its unfortunate and you know it means that we are degree or another possible russia gate with another serious although this occasions full by further poisoning of the Us Russian Relations and it just proves called deep. 1 russia despite its will and i would say quote every true its will go deeply is russia or no seeding in the american domestic politics and used by both sides it is an instrument as a Political Tool against each other but on for instance accused by getting money. From russia by whom previously you strong over being. As you said in his previous debates which in spot that you know they they both use each other the crusher. You know kind of supports them and favors their victory. In the president ial election so please use or are sure as you storm and against each other you know this is a very unfortunate and negative thing for the Us Russian Relations because it in peace normal i know from your writing if you believe that there is a technical reason for for doing that using russia as an instrument because the level of people are rising its so on jannat a and b. Consensus issues are still here that it is almost inevitable that elite crumbles. Double down on the only thing or the only think they the only thing they can agree upon and this happens to be russia suppose it involvement into pretty much everything we got is there whether russia itself once it why theyd surface interest or whether he even has the resources to do the kind of things that it is accused all well rusher is indeed used in american domestic politics by the way its necessary to claim that this usage over our 1st started to happen before the president so the problem you know the republicans are actually more of the 1st to try to undermine barack obama. Claims that hes reset with russia or nothing else than a betrayal of American National interests and American Values now Democrats Use the rocker factor against. Probably history sure enough we read witness told. In this again shows all the rumors about interference in so warm and finally no problem is trying to counter that with accusing by. Being some call a few leaders by rush very accepting money from russia the reasons are the most fundamental reason is indeed grave olor i say sure american political system but then me to allegations of misconduct have different sort of way dont different substance accusing somebody of being a puppet. You know its much more difficult to prove that allegations of corruption and that brings us back to the front of biden story which i think the biden count is in its very very precarious position now because on the one hand as i said before they did not im not denying the authenticity of the communication but they are sort of disputing the conclusions drawn from it that its corruption for some reason the liberal school like to use toward integrity i dont see anything wrong with that a son trying to profit from having his fathers name now when i was trying to understand why the liberals dont see any problem with that what comes to mind is. The example of Chelsea Clinton and other prominent and high profile child whos been raking in millions sitting on boards of directors from that very young age im nobody has seen and any problem with that whether you talk about hunter biden is that really a story of one individual family or is it perhaps in the very tail about how money and politics feed off each other in the United States or perhaps even more broadly in the world. Well you know they americans are watching lou now talking about the Democrats CampaignDemocratic Campaign is why are we talking about systemic racism i dont know why the way whether it exists or not i think its an exaggeration but what really exists i think is a systemic corruption in the american political establishment political elites and i think that donald trump on this particular issue hes absolutely right its the system is extremely corrupt. And molly and all of the excuses indeed very closely linked with each other separable is linked with each other i am for means these substance all these organizations. Was not just managing grain in the way that it was using american interests in terms of. Containing russia. And trying to look you agree into the west and american led campaign but also if you look in the parallel way you know the truth you get the money if you go to containerization you green i mean theres russia cassocks china and a host of other countries i mean its if you count that frame it is only at policy shift clearly goes beyond that and people that you know its not something i think it is i mean its pretty clear that you once let me know if. It is not also surprising for me you know why its a very buoyant issue in the United States in politics brings money thats in the d. N. A. All of the listeners are saying for you that you know that in the western world corruption is that having a charge and that the only similar example i can think of was that the acts french Prime Minister of france were awful your wholl try actually sentence for pain he said wife roughly and 1000000 euros. What doing the job that he is now a deep dive cost a president ial bit gini think any of anything of this story will catch up with joe biden well i think there might be and there probably will be a republican led investigation on that issue after the elections no matter what is the result of the elections at the same time i do not saying this of the scandal will be decisive for the alchemy of the elections it might correct the illegal bits and the preferences of the voters but i dont think it will be ultimately decided since why be gorgeous what will the hold of the mention polar ice age Many Americans many even democrats and i decisive people might be displeased by will they hear both of the previous 60 years olds your wife bobbie course to American Society so polarized because they want to get through the doldrums from the white house so much they can still go and vote. Again and thats the point you note democrats want these votes these selections to be not necessarily to fold in favor her old joe biden but their vote against donald trump. You know in these cases this for i say show is favoring. By. The democrats well how exactly does it out well discuss after a short break stay with us. Americans love buying homes. This is a fundamental part of how our Political Leadership and our country a large. Understood the bargain you get a hoe and then youll rebel right thats the things you dont revolt if you have a stake in the system. And be really interesting to dial it back and think about the longer deeper history l. A. Housings men in the United States not just back question of the American Dream the bigger question of who the dream is and for. So what weve got to do is identify the threats that we have its crazy confrontation let it be an arms race off and spearing Dramatic Development only really going to resist i dont see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. Welcome back to worlds of where it may trees so slow Deputy Director of the center for comprehensive european and International Studies at the Higher School of economics major before the break in a word talking about the fact that these Upcoming Elections and all the bow of. Electing the new president probably getting rid of the old one and when we talk like that last time i eugen that little possibility that trump. Would be eliminated physically and before anyone accused me of conspiracy theories let me just mention that he started there have been more than 30 years on not the lives of incumbent and former president s for which succeeded. Do you think that is still a possibility when it comes to trump. Well again nothing should be excluded. From a to live boss there like cool to this scenario is not beat. The current prelaw actually well during elections since the vote is a little go a long situation please favors by. The end you know the fundamental difference of the distributional forces on the eve of the november 3 vote is that even 26. 00 team. Was behind feeler clinton throw the country but. They were they fit almost the same support raising in this way states which are decisive fully outcome of the election day. But is systemic really. Dont trump in all or nearly all the swing states and you know the current your argument that people wholl well one reason or another prefer trying without necessarily likely will. Not ask for each express that political preferences as people from the other cant so again be the lady of those polls its probably even more questionable that it was a 2016 well i really disagree you know folk well i partly agree and partly disagree agree with you that there is a socalled silent majority. Supporters who just dont want to express their opinion publicly at the same time there is a difference in the polls bittman going to 16 and 2020 plant it is easier that way or behind by india in the major swing states which increase the chances for binding to be. Elected president although i think there will be multiple quarrels so the elections. Then the. It will be different. Of the volt calculations the unfolding by. A factor this might trigger in some greater instability in the american. Streets refusal of either of these scientists to. Accept to recognize defeat this will be a precondition for even deeper political instability in the internal political confrontation as he just sat both sides are accusing each other off on their willingness to accept the Election Results while also reserving their rights you play golf part for themselves is that any American Institution at this point of time that would be perceived as no partisan because i think when you look for example at Law Enforcement and this back and forth between f. B. I. And the. D. N. I. Department for directors for National Intelligence its clear that even that within Law EnforcementIntelligence Community based divide is present and perhaps widening we know that within the forth system these divide is also a parish i dont even mention that you know they have decided that the house of representatives is a i think an American Institution that the truth and decisive and. These disputes well legal and constitutional and this is the Supreme Court trusted enough at this point of time i mean given their recent appointments do you think that democrats will x. X. V. Their work of the Supreme Court regarding this so which way it goes and republicans by the way to you well you know you should distinguish between legitimacy and legality even leaves democrats refused to perceive the guns position on all this you order as legitimate you still legal and that is still this you pretty important we should makes the final word. You know all these presented i mean for the crown just on the streets ahead illegalities no doubt important because they mistrust all institutions what matters for down this legitimacy if they accept the you know they were the Supreme Court this ballot that they would not be too much of an eye wrath but if not i mean youre warned us out of that that it could go very badly even go so that far as the People Industries or is refused to extend to do warning supremum quarter it would mean a the grievers crisis of american political system and all american state since the civil war but i do not think that at least the leaders. Political part of this will go that far overleap refused to follow their willing so loose you dream core i mean thats too much you know evoking fully for the american politicians you know Supreme Court to decide the outcome of the elections so records as you print court in a decision is only one procedure old sakes where calculation of vote. Is distributional all constitutional what to do with these results by you cant look you know claim from one or 5 right but nevertheless a decision so do as you bring board will be important in this polarized unclear circumstances this is why indeed it was very important for proper to feel too confused other shes 30 i looked into this youre required to make a fool disputed republican conservative majority you know you can say that you do Supreme Court as of today now you mention there were florrie sation and many terms spread throughout our conversation and you had a very interesting argument then why not here are the articles that this extreme player i say should. And out serving in the United States can be traced all the way back to the American Civil War and be different value systems that still exist and and dont want to or are they on the coasts and the south and the center that the biggest american citizen is not that way and their wives and the blacks or the center for make it born and foreign born but actually become and their wives and their wives can you talk more about that well absolutely historically the Major Division in the American Society it was between liberal and conservative once given the supporters of the souls and their descendants in their inside on the one hand and. Again supporters of the north and their descendants oh still the way to mediate this Historical Division horse to you know build more amends to these heroes on both sides of the civil war and to switch attention. For the issue of slavery to the issue of unity and you lose your own dear the country. The value difference surely roommate. You know it was very very important to me to be a does division between 2 whites and the whites but no since the illegal part of the white population in order to almost normal crime is questioning the undermining destroying basically that historical consensus of the 2nd possible day 19th century and early 20th century its you know retold those that. Old if you store gold to be true and the end of race the conservatives far of the whites and say well why dont concern deprives im being denied not only being called names racists and xenophobes but they are actually being denied that only. History data only entity and if you extend it further that own country and i think people around the world dont appreciate that as much as. Perhaps as some in the United States because we all take for granted that we have the right to leave and social and cultural environment that we call home and i think some of the campaigns that the democrats are waging now they are essentially based on denying the chemists their salute they are trying to polls in the other completely other. Gurus with if you store it a little of the United States and historical american identity in the other identity. To the United States you know russia is from time to time holding continuity with unpredictable tests now the same can be said of all the United States you know the Scandal Division in the american societies though they did not only disagree well the future of the economy whether it should be a cultural or moral cultural whether america should become a more socialist economy or remain an individualist skeptical is well what i think being invited you are inherently racist i mean i think this is actually an argument that makes you yeah i ask you i in terms of political technology. I know you believe that the reason democrats are doing that is because it increases their electoral chances its just a political tactic but do you think there is a different way perhaps a more factor way both managing those said different value systems of dealing with them without necessarily beating down one against each other because clearly the United States is a very Multicultural Society and nobody can claim that you know we want to be only why this state and i dont even think its about whiteness as a color scheme i think its more about whiteness asic. Well sure some people want you its more about conservatism actually a more liberal out the do you think those differences could be awarded with rather than being deliberately contrasted against well i agree with you that this is the extreme way of doing. Pursuing that political purpose you know all the one can do divisions in American Society are objectives and indeed the. Do dont why population was not entirely integrated into the melting for indeed the american political elite was historically tone aided by the whites its true but the us society is very very complex. And it is dangerous you know to dive into these differences you know the full feel in a precise political objective so false thing bolt. From the wife calls into story the dont know so through tional political elites i think the democrats are making a grave mistake yes to something very very quickly youre wrong that time has never tried to be the president of all americans in the same way that adama never was and by that he well if you were in south will never be and youre trying for all his faults or perhaps because of his fault i think he can both i think he can appeal to different groups of people so for example today yeah conservatives he had killed because of his purport to care for the white heartland to the liberals he can still be appealing but the gleason disband the bill because if he is very liberal lifestyle actually its not bullet to well if you ask your doc to go as it sounds isnt trying to do this in this actually uniting potential for the United States well partly because from push has managed to. Lights many. Historical difference through all those some parts of American Society for instance the workers together with capitalists also called who are supported by many immigrants by many and more whites white her whole circle it. Before its many low whites are also calling for other. Further illegal migration to borders of this dangerous foliage walls so they support the problems in tiny gratian polis and so yes. She continues to ask you certainly appeal but at the same time of course again the factor of polarization. Brings both genders both. To work and to focus primarily on their traditional constituents. To make sure that they are supported by their voters but they supporters of their voters and support as well made more bill ice to go into the polling stations only election youre welcome we have to leave it there people different states. 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