During this election scheduled as or has already been made already do not exclude that as something other colder months some other issues asians can. Emerge. To tell the truth i dont think that that will be fundamentally decisive of course one of the unique features of these elections is the majority of the people vote by mail. You know made people care already made their. Decision. Made their minds i am. Well. You know your actual clear eyes of the president the dirt of dirty feature nature of this company ultimately be that as a result of with the. With substantial president for the last several decades polarize a show of not just american political elites but also American Society well in 2000 what did you find as derek lets talk about what i think is that substantively that we will news story bad and then you may see. Im outlets have and nevertheless try to bury either by ignoring it altogether or trying to get the russians im talking about hunted by his laptop reportedly abandoned at a repair store and allegedly containing a tro compromising material what is the most striking thing for you about this story well for me as a russian observer as a russian political analyst the most i would say most striking by sending a negative feature of this story is that russia is accused by both sides in that it was very explicit in the latest president ial in the lead is the base between dont trump and joe biden they both accuse each other. All the lurch were sharing some links with russia. And they accuse each other over being a few leaders with russia and some russian but if you read any different way i think the trump campaign. Allows for a possibility of some sort of russias c. V. As well as chinese if uranium i. T. T. And frankly american air activity i think as as adults here with can see that everybody has some cyber spying on the child there but i think you know when it comes to the democrats and democrats and the allegations i totally different they say that you know these conjured biden stories it and the other problem hoax even though i think his camp is not denying be authenticity of communications i mean it looks like a repeat of the attic cleans and email scandal once again blame you know to try to distract attention from the substance and try to look at blame on supposedly the messenger you know i didnt like the message and i fully agree with you who. Claim by using biden can bain that russia cool or russian. Eligibles who would stay behind this latest scandal is not surprising although its unfortunate and you know it means that we are in the green or another possible russia gate with another serious although this occasion was pulled by further poisoning of the Us Russian Relations and it just proves called deep. Russia despite its will and i would say quote 3 through its will go deeply is russia or no seeding in the american domestic politics and used by both sides it is an instrument as a Political Tool against each other but on for instance accused by getting money. For all russia by them previously to you strong over being. As you said in his previous debates fortune spot that 1 you know they they both cues each other the crusher. You know kind of supports them and favors their victory. In the president ial election so please use or are sure as you storm and against each other you know this is a very unfortunate and negative thing for the Us Russian Relations because it pete normal i know from your writing if you believe that there is a technical reason for for doing that using russia as an instrument because the level of puller i think its so on jannat a and b. Consensus issues are still here that it is almost inevitable that elites from both sides will double down on the only thing or the only think they they really think they can it really up on and this happens to be right. Just suppose it involvement into pretty much everything we got is there where there russia itself once it why theyd surface interest or whether he even has the resources to do that kind of things that it is accused all well rusher is indeed used in american domestic politics by the way its necessary to claim that this usage over our 1st started to happen before the president so the problem you know the republicans actually werent the 1st to try to undermine barack obama. Claims that hes reset with russia or nothing else than a betrayal of American National interests and American Values now Democrats Use the rocker factor against. Probably strange enough we read witness told. In this again shows all the rumors about interference in so warm and finally no problem is trying to counter that with accusing by. Being some call a few leaders by iraqs very accepting money from russia the reasons are the most fundamental reason is indeed grave olor is a show of american political system then me to allegations of misconduct have different sort of weight or different substance accusing somebody of being a puppet. You know its much more difficult to prove that allegations of corruption and that brings us back to the front of biden story which i think the biden count is in its very very precarious position now because on the one hand as i said before they did not im not denying the authenticity of the communication but they are sort of disputing the conclusions drawn from it that its corruption for some reason the liberal school like to use toward integrity i dont see anything wrong with that a son trying to profit from having his fathers name now when i was trying to understand why the liberals dont see any problem with that what comes to mind is. The example of Chelsea Clinton and other prominent high profile child whos been raking in millions sitting on boards of directors from that very young age and nobody has seen and any problem with that whether you talk about front of biden is never really a story of one individual family or is it perhaps it would be very tale about how money and politics feed off each other in the United States or perhaps even more broadly in the world. Well you know the americans are watching lou now talking about the Democrats CampaignDemocratic Campaign is why are we talking about systemic racism i dont know why the way whether it exists or not i think its an exaggeration but what really exists i think is a systemic corruption in the american political establishment political elites and i think that donald trump on this particular issue is absolutely right the system is extremely corrupt. And molly and all of the excuse is indeed very closely linked with each other separable are linked with each other i am for means these substance all these organizations. Was not just managing grain in the way that it was using american interests in terms of. Containing russia. And trying to look you agree into the west and american led campaign but also if you know the parallel way you know the truth you get a lot you know to come thing was easy and you green i mean theres russia cassocks china and a host of other countries i mean its if you count that frame it is only at policy shift clearly goes beyond that and people that you know its not something i guess it is i mean its pretty clear that if you once let me know if. It is not also surprising for me you know why its a very buoyant issue in the United States and politics brings money thats in the d. N. A. All of the listeners are saying for you that you know that in the western world corruption is that having a charge and that the only similar sample i can think of was that the acts french Prime Minister of france were awful on wholl try and actually sentence for saying hes so wife roughly and 1000000 euros. Doing that job if he had a deep dive because a president ial bit genie any also anything of this story ringback will catch up with joe biden well i think there might be and there probably will be a republican led investigation on that issue after the elections no matter what is the result of the elections at the same time i do not saying that these candle will be decisive for the alchemy of the elections it might correct the illegal bits and the preferences of the voters but i dont think it will be ultimately decided since why be gores woeful eval didnt mention polar ice ation Many Americans many even democrats and i decisive people like to be displeased by what they hear both of the previous 60 years old Joe Weider Bobby course day merican societies so polarized because they want to get through the doldrums from the white house so lunch they can still go and vote. Again and thats the point you know the democrats want these votes and the selection to be not necessarily to fold in favor her old job i do but their votes against donald trump you know you know in these cases this for i say show is favoring. By. The democrats well how exactly does it out well discuss after a short break stay with us. If. You. Kongo. The maturity to. Go in and you may never get out some sort of the most of. My teenage gang rules here. Are one of you who dont know lets remind him of the drug you were who with but. Maybe you will be. Told. You. Might see her see you. Was. Looking for the. Melody like the fool. You are you are the monkey. Who. Welcome back to worlds apart that nature is so slow Deputy Director of the center for comprehensive european and International Studies at the Higher School of economics dmitri before the break in a word talking about the fact that these Upcoming Elections are not the bow of. Electing the new president but rather getting rid of the old one and when we talk like that last time i eugenics let a possibility that trump. Would be eliminated physically and before anyone accused me of conspiracy theories let me just mention that he started there have been more than 30 years on not the lives of incumbent and former president s for which succeeded. Do you think that is still a possibility when it comes to trump. Well again nothing should be excluded. From a to live boss theyre like cool to this scenario is not big. Corps the current pretty lax them well during elections since the vote is a little go among situation favors by. The end you know the fundamental difference of the distributional forces on the eve of the november 3 vote is that even 26. 00 team. Was behind Hillary Clinton throughout the country but. They were they fit almost the same support raising in this way states which are decisive fully outcome of the election day. But is systemic really. Dont know trump in all or nearly all the swing states and you know the current your argument that people wholl well one reason or another prefer trying without necessarily likely can. Not ask for each express that political preferences as people from the other cant so again be the lady of those polls its probably even more questionable that it was a 2016 well i disagree you know folk well i partly agree and partly disagree agree with you that there is a socalled silent majority. Supporters who just dont want to express their opinion publicly at the same time there is a difference in the polls bittman going 2162020 plant it is these are the Players Behind biden india in the major swing states which increase the chances for biden to be. Elected president although i think there will be multiple quarrels so the elections. Then the. It will be different they will divulge calculations the unfolding by male factor this might trigger in some great instability in the american. Streets refusal of either of these scientists to. Accept to recognize defeat this will be a precondition for even deeper political instability and internal political confrontation as you just sat both sides are accusing each other off and their willingness to accept the Election Results while also reserving their rights you play golf part for themselves is that any American Institution at this point of time that would be perceived as no partisan because i think when you look for example at Law Enforcement and this back and forth between f. B. I. And the. D. N. I. Department for directors for National Intelligence its clear that even that within Law EnforcementIntelligence Community based divide is present and perhaps widening we know that within the forth system these divide is also a parish i dont even mention that you know they have decided that the house of representatives is a i think an American Institution thats the truth and decisive and thats you spirit well legal and constitutional and this is the Supreme Court trusted app at this point of time i mean given their recent appointments do you think that democrats will x. X. V. Theyre worried that the Supreme Court regarding this so which way it goes and republicans by the way to you well you know you should distinguish between legitimacy and legality even leaves democrats refused to perceive the guns position on all this you order as legitimate you still legal and that is still this you pretty important we should make the final word. You know all these presented i mean for the crown just on the streets ahead illegalities no doubt important because they mistrust all institutions what matters for down this legitimacy if they accept the you know they were the Supreme Court this ballot and they would not be too much of an underestimate if not i mean youre warned us out that that it could go very badly even go so that far as the people in this research is refused to extend to do wording supremum chord it would mean a degree a crisis of american political system and all american state since the civil war but i do not think that at least the leaders. Political part of this will go that far overleap refused to follow their willing so this you dream core i mean thats too much you know evoking fully for the american politicians you know Supreme Court to decide the outcome of the elections so records as youre pretty poor can a decision is only on the c. General thinks whether calculational vote. Is distributional old constitution what to do with these results but it can look you know claim from one or 5 right but nevertheless a decision so do as you bring board will be important in this polarized unclear circumstances this is why indeed it was very important for us to feel too confused other shes 30. Introduce you require to make a fool of disputed republican conservative majority you know you can say that you do Supreme Court as of today now you mention there were but uproarious ation and many terms spread throughout our conversation and you had a very interesting argument then why not here are recent articles that this extreme player i say should. And out serving in the United States can be traced all the way back to the American Civil War and be different value systems that still exist and and dont want to or are they on the coasts and the south and the center that the biggest american citizen is not that way and their wives and the blacks or the center for make it boring and for important but actually become and their wives and their wives can you talk more about that well absolutely historically the Major Division in the American Society it was between liberal and conservative whites given the supporters of the souls and their descendants in their inside on the one hand and. Again supporters of the noise their descendants oh still the way to mediate this Historical Division horse through you know butte mormons to these heroes on both sides of the civil war and to switch attention. For the issue of slavery to the issue of unity and you lose your own dear the country. The value difference surely roommate. It was very very important to me to be a does division between 2 whites and the whites but no since the illegal part of the white population in order to almost normal crime is questioning the undermining destroying basically that historical consensus of the 2nd possible day 19th century and early 20th century if you know retold those that. Old the story going to be true and the end of race the conservative far of the whites and they were i dont concern to whites im being denied not only being called names racists and xenophobes but they are actually being denied that only. History does only a good entity and if you extend it further that own country and i think people around the world dont appreciate that as much as. Perhaps as some in the United States because we all take for granted that we have the right to leave and social and cultural environment that we call home and i think some of the complaints that the democrats are waging now theyre essentially. Based on denying their kindness their salute they are trying to poles in the other completely other. Groups with the story to live a little of the United States and historical american identity in the other identity. To the United States you know russia is from time to time holding a country with unpredictable past now the same can be said of all the United States you know the Scandal Division in the american societies though they do not only disagree both the future of the economy whether it should be a cultural or moral cultural whether america should become a more socialist economy or remain an individualist skeptical is well what i think being a guy who you are an inherently racist i mean i think this is actually an argument that makes you yeah i ask you i in terms of political technology. I know you believe that the reason democrats are doing that is because it increases their electoral chances its just a political tactic but do you think there is a different way perhaps a more factor way both managing those said different value systems of dealing with them without necessarily beating down one against each other because clearly the United States is a very Multicultural Society and nobody can claim that you know we want to be only why this state and i dont even think its about whiteness as a color scheme i think its more about whiteness as a culture some people want you its more about conservatism actually a more liberal out the do you think those differences could be awarded with rather than being deliberately contrasted against well i agree with you that this is the extreme way of doing. Pursuing that political purpose you know all the one can do divisions in American Society. They are objective and indeed they. Do known why focal a show was not entirely integrated into the melting. Indeed of the american political elite was historically tone aided by the whites its true but the u. S. Society is very very complex. And it is dangerous you know to dive into these differences you know the full feel a concise political objective so false thing bolt. From the white collars into story they dont know so through additional political elites i think the democrats are making a grave mistake yes to something very very quickly youre wrong that time has never tried to be the president of all americans in the same way that adama never was and by that he well if you were in south will never be and youre trying for all his faults or perhaps because of his fault i think he can both i think he can appeal to different groups of people so for example today yeah conservatives hear kills because of hes purport to care for the white heartland to the liberals he can still be appealing but the gleason disband the bill because if he is very liberal lifestyle actually its not bullet to well if you ask your doctor to kill as it sounds isnt trying to do this in this actually uniting potential for the United States well partly because from push has managed to unite many. Historical difference brothers some parts of American Society for instance the working together with capitalists also problem for supported by many immigrants by many and most whites quite purple circle it. Before its made illegal immigration the borders of this dangerous full day jobs so they support the problems in finding me gratian paul. So yes. She continues to get you certainly appeal but at the same time of course. The factor of polarization. Brings both genders both from wife to war and to focus primarily on their traditional constituents. To make sure that they are supported by their voters but they supporters of their voters and so for those who are maybe more bill i used to go into the polling stations only legend youre welcome we have to leave it there we will definitely. Continue following this story thank you very much for sharing your perspective. Thank you and thank you for watching coldest year again next week or worlds apart. 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