Pretty much use your space, do they pay any rent . Do you have any control . We also own the business which is next door, which is called new world market, that was the we got the catering license to that space, where we will cater the food to the entertainment hall, and its basically to provide a place of entertainment for the commun y community. Im just saying, if somebody wanted to have a party and charge money at the door, what would you say to that . We would definitely look at the proposal, but our intention is to have a controlled environment for the community where we will control fully what is going on in the space. Okay. cause you know, if you do happen to do that, you know, youre still responsible for the conduct of your patrons. Yes, definitely, and our intention to be there all the time. Okay. President tan all right. Commissioners, any other questions . If not, would someone like to make a motion oh, thank you for anyone have anymore comments or questions, and then, ill open it up for Public Comment. All right. Please have a seat. Is there any Public Comment on hermitage banquet hall . All right. Seeing none, Public Comments closed. Now, we can take a motion. Vice president thomas i move approval of this permit. President tan great. Secretary tap tan motion. D president tan motion and a second. Lets take a vote. Clerk [ roll call. ] president tan motion passes. Good luck. Well move onto item number 5 on our agenda. This is for our chapter 116 project, so theres one tonight, 1140 polk street, and ill pass it back to miss weiland. Director weiland so thank you so ato all of our permit applicants, but especially to our rdr items, for you guys staying so late, so thank you so much. So this is for 1145 polk street, which is a hopping area. Its located within 300 feet of [ inaudible ] and for the hemlock tavern. My good friend, don don allen and i go back about 20 years. He preceded me as the president of the Mission Merchants association. I first met him as the managing partner of the hemlock, and the 1140 l. L. C. Folks came to him. They bought the building with the intention of demolishing it and erecting a five story structure. I think you probably have that in your files, and these are very, very good developers. Theyre the folks that did the bank on golden gate avenue, so they have a great sense for if something needs to be restored, restoring it. Were very fortunate having them in San Francisco when we need many types of housing and other types of commercial spaces. This is a unique project, at least for me. I dont know if you see many New Buildings proposed that have an existing place of entertainment that wants to come back in, so weve been working with 1145 polk, l. L. C. , to see the retention of the hemlock, and we got a letter of determination from the Planning Department, which i think is in your files that states that its pretty difficult that you only get one year, and it would take a lot more than a year to knockdown that building and to put the new one up, so the intention is to go in and get a conditional use permit to bring back the hemlock. From a sound transference point of view this is also unique as opposed to most of the new developments that you hear, because not only are the sound acoustical engineers that are here from salter, having to dale with sound penetration coming into the building, they have to deal with sound transference within the building, because the hemlock is going to be inside the building, so its a good challenge for these guys. I do have wesley burke from the dolman group, which is working with 1145 l. L. C. , in case you have any questions for the developer. There are actually 18 places that are open past 9 00 p. M. Within 300 feet of this location, and i think i gave you a chart of all of those. Of those, eight of them are places of entertainment, and don being kind of the mayor of the poes was kind of enough to go over to blur, and he spoke to ron kirkpatrick, and you spoke to russ at lush lounge, and they see themselves not as competitors, but theres a synergy because of club hopping. That seems to be the environment down there. People go not just with the intention of going to one club, but they want to go in and out of clubs, and its kind of like disneyland park, and you guys look like youve been here fore a couple of hours, and you dont need to hear all this. But were all here to answer any questions you may have, and thank you for your consideration. President tan thank you. I just want to stort off starf by saying we support housing and development, but our main [ inaudible ] and one question i have, just about the sound measurements and this might just be a tip to salter because every time we review these, we want to see the highest level of use, the highest level of pedestrian density, which generally happens on friday and saturday nights. And you know, with you see random dates and times, and that just could be because of peoples work schedules, and people wanting to have friday and saturday nights off, rather than monitoring a microphone, but you know, these sound measurements were taken, i think on wednesday night. There were some things happening, but wednesday night is not a friday or saturday night, especially on polk street. And we get so many complaints sean, im sure can tell you about, just like, noise seeping out of events at restaurants or bars and im not saying its these particular venues. Its not the hemlock tavern, but there are people that have lived there for decades that have not experienced polk street the way theyre experiencing it today, and that they might not experience in the same way when this is once built. So just on the onset, i just want to advise, wed like to see a new sound study done on a friday or saturday night. That may lead you to some of the same conclusions around the type of suc readings, but but i think, again, as a tip to future things like this, were always going to move towards get the recordings on friday and saturday, so thats one comment. Commissioners, do you have other comments . So not just the sound itself, but the people noise. When people leave at 2 30 in the morning, the decembe decibp a lot. Just to give you an example, there was a club on market street, and there was a condo, and i forget the name, but the base would always disturb the third floor, so im kind of curious how you plan to alleviate the internal you know youre fixing the outside, but they had to basically close that club down eventually because the owner just couldnt couldnt manage the complaints, and they got tired of it, so here, i could see the same situation with hemlock, that maybe and how many stories is this . Its going to be five over basement, and the basements where the Entertainment Venues going to go, commissioner lee. Itll bury the sound as best we can. They always hear the bass, so im curious as to salter is going to explain that. I would mention that im very sensitive to the request that this commissions made. You may recall i was here a month or two back with the 14th Street Project across from the armory, which, of course, the granddaddy of all of them. Substan subsequently, salters went back, they took measurements toward the discodeath, and your former colleague, audio rre au they had 3,000 people each night, and we picked it all up. Did you notice any difference . Im just curious. I Vice President seen the results yet, but you may remember eric cory telling you from salter, in terms of police code while everything youre saying is correct, and as a layman, i agree with you on all of those. As far as police code, ill defer to the salter folks, but i think theres a different standard in i wef i were in th neighborhood and the ones that you were protecting. So tloheres the ambient noise and the other thing is the bands and the entertainment makes more noise than the people, so whats important is whats playing, not what night, and i think ive included correct me if im wrong, maggie, in their packets, the performers. Yeah, it does. And don said thats indicative of the sound levels that they have, be it friday or saturday night, in emergency room its of performance level. I also asked about cueing, and he said that the cueing takes place usually inside at the bar area cause thats where they make their money. He breaks even with the entertainment. So whether he said it was a friday night, saturday night, or wednesday night, with the hemlock, which was the points of concern that they just picked up on. On this one, we may have something i thinks more indicative than the last time i was in front of you for the armory. Yeah, theyre just talking about on the sidewalks is a lot of critical mass, and you may the sound leakage coming from entertainment venue is something that we try to regulate and manage, but we cant regulate and manage free speech and people screaming or honking their cars and things like that, and thats what we hear, you know, the most, and whe when 2 00 a. M. Hits and everybody is looking for their uber, we want to test those and also kind of prevent those worst Case Scenarios around noise. I fully appreciate that. I dont want if you wanted to hear from the president tan sure, it looks like he was coming up just to respond quickly. Were happy to hear. Yes, im alex salter with Charles Salter associates. Just to clarify, on those two items. I think with the places of entertainment noise study, the assumption being that thro these places of entertainment are operating within the police code and other Entertainment Commission guidelines. You touched on that, president tan, that theres the people noise, which is sort of a separate noise source. Kind of falls under free speech, sort of a gray area, and i also want to make it clear that this is something that we would also test for. Theres this p. O. E. Noise study, which addresses more, i would say, the operation of these places of entertainment, the Noise Sources that they produce; and then, theres also going to be a more general noise study for title 24 irmt kwoos, building code, things like that, where we do more longterm measurements that woulden come pass a weekend, so the purpose of maybe doing it on a wednesday or what would be maybe considered an off night while they were still events is that the guidelines that theyre working with are all based on the ambient noise, and if were going to assume that these places of entertainment are in compliance with that, then, we dont want by measuring louder noise levels, were almost giving them morely way morely more leeway that they can produce. Its not really helping you guys in terms of regulating noise from these places of entertainment. Were sort of placing the burden all on the resident or all on the developer, and i know theres a balance, and i think its great that were doing these studies now. President tan when you say p. O. E. Noise study, are you saying a study that youre doing for this development or some study that im not aware of. The p. O. E. Study is the study thats required for this commission. So its not, like, a separate study. No. The separate study that i was referring to is more on the planning and entitlements phase, which we need to mow compliance with title 24 and more of a broader environment where its not just focusing more on places of entertainment, but the general noise environment thats in this area. Commissioner lee . Even though theres a limit set, with these d. J. s, you know, after a while, they go deaf, and they automatically just raise the bar, and until the upstairs neighbors come plain, thats when sean comes out and he has to dale with ea. So even though youre saying, you dont want to give them any leeway, you want to take it any way because they dont know the difference. So im just saying be extra careful, you know, give them a little buffer so you wont have them to complain, but you know, thats up to you to determine that. Im just saying, you know, everybody just i mean, everybody says this is the limit, but ill tell you, they just always go above that until the cops come or whatever. Yeah. My only concern is just how do you deal with the bass traveling up ductwork and everything on the inside, if youve got a place of entertainment in the building. And ill give an example that upper market club that is very popular, and they were just the third floor just kept calling and calling and calling. They couldnt hear anything else, but they could hear the tlu thumping, and they put insulation in the ceiling and everything else. Its more difficult to slap it on after the building is built than actually put it . Right, and thats the large advantage that we already have with this is we are already anticipating there is a place of entertainment going in, so doing this on the front end is a huge advantage. There are a lot of situations where theres even a lot of animosity between a club owner and the overall landlord and the residences, and when they dont get along, and somebodys constantly telling them to turn down the music, and they dont want to turn down the music, thats just not going to work. I think 1140 l. L. C. And hemlock has shown a great daeal of cooperation, and theyre aware that this is something that needs to be addressed if they want to have a successful project. They dont want to have empty units, hemlock wants to be able to have a good place of entertainment, so its specifically addressing how are we going to do that . This being concrete building, essentially, youre going to have isolated construction, and theres going to have to be a certain amount of limiting of the noise, so whether or not theyre going to limit certain bass frequencies, whether or not theyre going to have a hard limiter on their system, thats the reality of having something in such close proximity, but i think everyone has shown a willingness to incorporate those things into this project. President tan commissioner thomas and then commissioner bleiman. Vice president thomas getting back to commissioner tans comments about the friday and saturday nights, you know, those are the nights that we get complaints about from folks, and i think we do i get your point about ambient noise, but at the same time, we do want new things that are being built in heavy night life corrid corridors, we do want them to be built to a standard so people are not having their sleep disrupted on friday and saturday nights, and that theyre able to stay in their home even on a noisy weekend, and i i mean, this is sort of the point about its not just the noise from the band or the d. J. Or the bass, but we do get, we do feel, a lot of complaints about the people talking and the cars honking because there is obviously that nexus with a place of entertainment, when it closes, and suddenly everyones out on the sidewalk, and thats, you know, obviously directly connected to the place of entertainment. What were trying to look out for in this particular process is making sure any New Buildings that are coming in dont have the impact of displacing existing night life because it is keeping people up at night. Like, we just we dont were trying to forestall those conplich c constraints by making sure New Buildings are well built against those sounds where a place of entertainment has their music unas loud as it can go and people out on the sidewalk. Thats why we want to make sure its going to make those standards, but that being said, im really excited that this development is including a place of entertainment. I notice the Planning Department says youll need a new conditional use permit for this, so good luck with all of that, and im im supportive of this overall, so im happy to see it go through. Quick question, and this might be for fillmore, but are they planning on condoing these and selling them individually or are they. [ inaudible ] common practice to condo map, which they will do, however, their intention is to hold and to rent. And just for the record, ive known seamus and from my experience, theyre great actors and great resident of the upper polk street where their offices are. Like i said, this is kind of exciting, and im curious i dont know if anyone can speak on behalf of hemlock right now, but are they planning to change their type of programming that theyre going to do . Thats a great question, commissioner tan. If don is heavily involved in this, he wants to hang onto the format that they have now, which is basically letting up and coming bands have a venue where they can play, and have, like, an open mic night. Its world renowned for that. He worked very hard to get to that level. The 1145 polk l. L. C. Folks are talking about hanging onto him. Hes not much younger than i am, and theres much more career behind us than in front of us. Again, its how long hes going to be involved, but he has a new general manager who he had over at the casanova, and they transitioned him over there. They seem to be in sync for that, so it looks like the hemlock is transitioning into the future in that direction, and then, don will be involved in helping them design the space, and i feel these are quality builders. They spared no expense. They took salter on for the acoustic, and ive also been involved in old retrofits, the permitting for the chapel, and i saw how difficult it is. You can see the building next door, when that things going, even when were showing championship games, we can shake the base next door, but just to do the isolation and the filling, this is as good as it gets. Youre not going to see a place of entertainment better conceived, and they realize theyre going into polk street because people want to live on polk street. This is hardcore urbanized, like the people we get in on mission street, valencia street. They dont want to live in suburban america, or live in maontana. They want to eat at two in the morning, and they want to have a couple of places to choose from. President tan yeah. Hardcore urbanites, youll find they get really upset. They support night life, just not what theyre getting awakened. I think aside from the additional condition, we like to recommend of having another sound test on fridays and saturdays, i think this is definitely a model type of building. I think we struggle with developers that want to build night life spaces, and are do they even exist or are there enough of them to have the type of kind of volume that we like to see in San Francisco, and you know, have a recent case of even lucky 13. Theyre planning to build condos above but didnt necessarily want a bar to return to that space, and to know that these developers are going in with that intention and working in partnership with hemlock is incredible, and i just want well have to kind of study that a little bit more and work on how well get that promoted throughout San Francisco. All right. President tan commissioner perez has a question. Commissioner perez i understand hemlock will be one of the retail spaces, correct . Correct. Commissioner perez and i see you have a yard plan. Is there entertainment proposed to be in the yard . Thats an open space, correct . Theres going to be a horseshoe shaped building, because hemlock, that would be the south side building on the north side, and then, we have planning on polk, and the Planning Department didnt want the regular 25 set back thats on code. Instead, they wanted to have a courtyard situation thats protected. All these concerns, by the way, as alex salter pointed out, theyll get picked up by the Planning Department when they go through title 24, so youre doing a good overlay of it, but thats part of the title 24 process. I believe theyre going to a variance meeting on december 7th so the protected area will be part of the horseshoe. Commissioner perez theyll have entertainment there, as well . I have not heard of that. Its basic private open space, so that wouldnt be public open inspector burke president tan, commissioners, inspector sean burke here. Excuse my lack of attention for the last agenda item. I was sending complaints over to the Giants Organization that were coming through via 311. Right now . Inspector burke currently. Oh, its their fundraiser tonight. Inspector burke im working on that. Speaking of at t park, on october 3rd through the 5th, there was an event, oracle was the producer. We had a total of six complaints over the three days, and the complaints im just receiving and forwarding currently are courtesy of 311 instant notification system that allows me to address complaints in realtime as im out on the street. I can also sort of address them in a Commission Meeting, which is very nice. So thats one of the new advancements in technology that the Entertainment Commission has been fore to y fortuitou receive. Im going to go through each and every item on my list here as we need to kill some time. There were some events and at park. I was in touch with the permit officer onsite, working with the burning man folks to address those complaints. The love boat event on the 27th and 28th of october, night one, not great. We had definitely over half a dozen seven complaints, night one via 311, and maggie and i worked together the afternoon of night two to address with the producer and the Property Management team at pier 70, and based on the conversations that maggie had with them and my presence onsite, we definitely regul reigned that night. We had one complaint that was a repeat of the previous night, but no further. So that was a big victory. Moving forward, i think its important that communication increase on my part when we do these bigger events outside. Thats something im going to take on reaching out to producers in advance, trying to talk strategy, making sure that conditions of permit are communicated, making sure each and every person who might have control over a knob onsite. After that, the crystala jade halloween weekend. Turns out this event had a permit for a one time indoor event, but not a loudspeaker. By the time i showed up just fon a routine inspection, it was a little tooity la, the damage had been done, and were working with Central Station to ensure that this does not happen again. Weve got a few ongoing complaints, a few new ones. I wanted to mention continued disturbance at halcyon. The neighbors have reached out to me and asked a question of after hours enforcement. Theyve asked the question of me, and i wanted to communicate to you, about lack of responsiveness by the operator, and i wanted to bring this up as a topic of discussion off just to have the conversation, see what we might be able to do moving forward. Are these the same people complaining . Correct. Can i ask a question . Yeah. Has the operator been nonresponsive to you or the commission . The majority of the complaints come in when i have off duty. I am c. C. Ed on text correspondence between the operator im sorry, between the complaintant, who also c. C. s the operator. If there is a response by the operator, its very minimal. There doesnt seem to be a willingness to work toward any kind of solution or have any kind of dialogue sfl and the complaint is its still too noisy or the cars are honking . They seem to be more specific lately is there a sky light open . Whats different about tonight because this this is different than weve been experiencing over the last month. And then, just no response from the operator . No response or a response that does not invite dialogue or solution oriented communication. Is that someone brought to or her manager or do you okay. Good to know. Im happy to bring i mean, we can talk about it offline, but happy to bring them back in, and it would be good to clarify that one condition on their permit, as well. Correct, that one condition about notifying us about events. Got it. I have a comment. So unless you go out there at that time and actually take the reading, theyre just complaining, and youre off, you know . I mean, we dont know if its really that loud or. Thats the question that they posed to me what do we do when sean isnt working . We understand that sean cant work always, so what do we do when he im just saying the only way you can do it is just spot check them at that time, because im telling you, about those sky lights still in place, its never going to be perfect because sky lights leak, so. I mean, i guess your only thing is youre going to have to stay up one night and try to take a measurement. I maean, i still think once even if halcyon werent there, were still going to get complaints from people about the next place over and the next place over. Not that we shouldnt do everything we can, but at one point, someone has to be i dont know. Yeah, and the same thing with hue. These complaints are coming in at 4 00 a. M. , and two i mean, im sure theyre just playing their ipod or whatever ive communicated the to the hue complainant that it would be advantageous for me and my enforcement to be contacted directly when a disturbance is felt. Correct, because i was going to say, hes never got a citation, because nobodys been out there. Just to clarify, the 4 00 a. M. Was for halcyon. The hue complaints were from 121. So you ran out of space. Theyre ill work on the formatting. All right. Do you have any other questions you want to pick out . If not, we can move along this meeting. All the rest are smaller venues with new complainants. Theyre being addressed. Lots of sound tests, lots of communications with managers to update old permits with realistic sound limits. And the crystal jade, on the one night permit, does it say that this is for indoors only . I mean, does it really say, this is not for an outdoor permit . I spoke with the complainant directly who came to the office, informed him that he needed an outdoor permit loudspeaker. That permit has not obtained. Right, but does anybody else know that, when you go in and get a permit, say theres a theres two pages ofposition pages prior to even getting into the application that stipulates exactly what the permit is for. Okay, so its clear, right . Yeah, yeah, so its clear. Just were changing all of these permit applications very shortly, and its even more clear now. Okay. But yes, its very clear that its for indoor. President tan all right. I dont see anyone from the public. Inspector burke thank you. President tan so Public Comments now closed, and i believe that brings us to the end of our agenda. I lost my agenda. We well move onto item number 9, which is commissioner comments and questions. Id like to read to you from war and peace, starting with page 1. President tan great. At the next meeting. All right. Thank you, staff, thank you for, you know, keeping course, being down, people, and thank you commissioners for working through this. We actually havent had a suspension hearing like this since wade, which i believe was 2006, or 07, so its been a long while, and i hope its a long while before we have to doing in like this, because we genuinely dont want to suspend folks that are doing good night life. And is there any Public Comment . If not, im going to adjourn this meeting at 9 37 p. M. Thank [inaudible] im a illustrator by day and a [inaudible] composition teacher. Right now im practice by transscribing [inaudible] that is what i have been doing the past couple years, teaching myself. California college of the arts, illustration there has really great teachers. Robert hunt, vance story taught me a lot. What im working on is a portfolio [inaudible] riding a donkey unicorn in the process. My name is dawn richardson and musician, drummer and drum teacher. I guess i would say i started my professional path quh i started playing in bands and teaching drum lesson when i was in college. They were definitely not that many women that would do what is doing. In 198 8 i graduated from cal state los ang and studied mostly classical percussion and Music Education but at the same time i was in hollywood so played at night in rock bands so was doing two different things. The reason im [inaudible] the people. There is a extremely vibrant Art Community especially arounds the red poppy art house [inaudible] as a artist in the past 2 or 3 years there is a event called the [inaudible] every 3 months a free art Music Festival that i usually play at and just met so many people. I was teaching a little bit and doing odd jobs like waitressing and going at night and playing in bands and meeting a lot of people. I chss in ban that had cool break jz get parts on tv shows or things like that. A friend of mine, we had mutual friends that got signed to a record deal in San Francisco called 4 nonblaunds and i addition frd the bands and moved to the bay area. I think things are different now than 30 years ago, the World Evolved a lot. It could be a challenge but have to know how to negotiate everything and sometimeatize is [inaudible] it was great to get to a point where i was just treated like another one of the people, a musician not a female musician and that is always what [inaudible] you dont hear stuff on the radio [inaudible] i need to write music [inaudible] be more conscious in their decisions and somehow make that poetic so they will be convinced. I think i will do that. [singing in backgrounds] drawing and writing music since i was a really little kid and fortunate enough to have a good education in art and parentss who supported me. I hope my life will continue to allow me to do both. For me now having all male, female girls, boys students it shows the world has changed a lot and people areope toon open to a lot more than they were in the past. You can get a deep satisfaction from responding a lot of year practicing in one thing and becoming really good at something. Sometimes i think that it is better to get lost. You have to practice and become good at what you do, so if you have everything together then go out in the world and do what you do and then i think people weal accept that. Neighborhood in San Francisco are also diverse and fascist as the people that inhabitable them were in north beach about supervisor peskin will give us a tour and introduce is to what think of i i his favorite district 5 e 3 is in the northwest surrounded by the San Francisco bay the district is the boosting chinatown oar embarcadero financial district Fishermans Wharf exhibit no. North beach Telegraph Hill and part of union square. 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