Transcripts For SFGTV BOS Budget And Appropriations Committee 20240712

Our hoist machine is located overhead, and this is a traction machine, so it is an evolution beyond the winding from elevator. This is the drive ship. This is the gear box, and this is original from 1913. It is a heavyduty design that we really do not see any more today. That is probably part of the reason why this elevator has already lasted close to 100 years. This is the break for the voice machine teh brake. We have the original controller here. Fortunately, the power is turned off. This room was built in 1913, but the National Elevator cut actually was not introduced until 1921. Tell us about this antique controller. What makes it different from a modern controller . The elevator is running on the original d. C. Power. Really simple in operation. Does not include a lot of the features we would have in an elevator today, Automatic Door operation, dispatching, push button operation. None of those features are present, but this is the original from 1913. On this side, we have all the relays that actually control the elevator. The Safety Service city circuit, position, speed, and control of the power to the motor. Here is a really interesting piece of historic machinery. Tell us about this. This is one of the main Safety Devices of the elevator system, and the device still exists today even on modern elevators. It detects if the elevator is going into unsafe over speed conditions. It is attached to the road itself, and the car over speeds, bees fly balls would come out, and the governor jobs would come out and grab on to the governor wrote, which would hold the break or the safety on the elevator to cause it to stop. If you have problems, i see right here, we call garfield 7171 for service. Member that is right. Operators standing by. From here, we are going to look at those wonderful elevators that go of the outside of the high rise building that Everyone Wants to take a ride in. Lets go do that. Here we are in the most exciting elevator in the city of San Francisco. This is the outside elevator that goes into the 32nd floor. Tell us about this. We are in one of the tower elevators now. These were originally installed in 1972. 1,000 feet a minute, outside observation elevators, so a great view of the city. Some of the most popular elevators in San Francisco, as you mentioned, and these cars run a lot. They run about 2000 starts per day. About 700,000 starts per year for an elevator like this, and these are pretty hard working. Must be hard to maintain these elevators. Mechanical devices in the rain. This is much more difficult to maintain. Normal elevator installation is all sealed from the elements, but in this case, it is all exposed to the outside, so there are issues with whether proofing and sealing the equipment from the elements. The controls and motors are up here on the top floor. Very simple similar to the elevators we looked at. This is similar to that technology. I saw a crowd of people downstairs waiting to take a ride on the elevated to get this fabulous view. That is a terrific view. Yes, it is great. Can you tell us about the history of the modern elevators . What we consider the modern elevator is the elevator with a safety device that was built in new york in 1853 in response to a freight elevator accident in new york city. Until that time, elevators were quite common in buildings but typically used just for handling freight. Elisha otis elijah otis successfully demonstrated the safety device he had created. Even of the elevator and he cut the device, and he did not fall. Everyone was impressed by that. In 1857, the oldest Brothers Company installed their first passenger elevator on broadway in new york. Believe it or not, many of those first elevators were actually started and stopped by a hand broke. What drove those old elevators . What was their motive power . In some cases, they might have even been hp. And then changed to electric . Electric cited to come in the 1890s, and that was around the time when the elevator stopped from Material Handling and started to be used more frequently for passengers. In 1878, there was a demonstration of the other thing that allowed architects to build taller buildings was the advent of a Higher Quality steel manufacturing. In 19003, the first production year track models were introduced, that it was when things took off. That mostly happened in new york city . Lower manhattan was the first place that took off, then chicago. Those early passenger elevators always had an attendant that would take a passengers request and then operate the car. The big change was the emergence of a electric elevators. Starting in 1880, the electric elevator allowed building dollars to go much higher. We evolved from steam hydraulic elevators to the electric elevators that are not that much different from what we are going to see now at the top of the tower. This is the steam room on the top of the state st. Francis. On top of the state francis. The equipment you see painted green, that is all the original equipment from 1972. We are just now in the middle of modernizing this equipment. Why modernize . Doesnt the equipment works fine . It does, it is of analog and intensive, and there are some additional controls. Let me introduce the foreman to you. This is vince. He can do a better job explaining the project details. What is happening here, what are you doing . We are doing a major modernization. We are tearing out the old system, logic controls, and generator controls, and we will be going over to solid state. This is not your standard selector. It does not have a tape that runs it. Because these are outside elevators these are unique to the city. And this is going away with the upgrade. That is right. None of these will be here. We have retrofitted three elevators so far and now were doing the outside cars. So this is what will be replacing this will be replacing the generator controller and control system. We are down to about 15 or 20 relays, down from about 100, which means much less maintenance. This thing had been running for about six months now, but we still have eight cars here to do. Great job. We have looked at past the elevators and present. Now lets look at the future. We are taking a look at some of the most exciting technologies in elevators. George, tell us about destination elevators. This is the technology of the future. Probably the biggest single investment in elevators. San francisco has embraced the technology more than any other city in the country. A big advantage with us is passengers get to their floors sooner and there is more opportunity of customization of features for individual service. Four issues of security and accessibility, this is a big advantage over traditional elevators. Digest i understand these are rehabilitated upgrades of existing elevators . Yes, these are upgrades to the original elevators from 1980. All the controls and wiring has changed but the physical mechanisms are the same. How much energy to these use . With all of the things that we did hear, Energy Savings is about 50 from where we started. That is a significant improvement for such a major system. Tell me how it works. This is the hall keypad, which controls the elevator. The system asks where you are going before you get into the elevator. Imagine you are going into the airport. You would not get on the first airplane departing, you would get on the airplane that is going to the city you are going. We are doing the same here. In this case, we are going to the ninth floor. This building has security, so i also have an access card, which gives us permission, and then we go to the assigned elevator, which is elevator a. And this is only stopping at floors 4 and 9. I do not see any buttons in here at all, except for the door and the alarm. We only have the standard buttons required by code and safety, but there is no need to have floor numbers anymore. And it does not make a lot of stops. It goes to your floor and everyone else. The system it efficiency, because we do not have to make as many stops, is a big improvement. We have invited jessie from the center for independent living to come and tell us how destination elevators interfaced with persons with disabilities. When destination elevators storfirst started appearing, thy presented a number of challenges to individuals with disabilities. What happened was, Elevator Technology outpaced California Building code. Building code has a number a provision that makes traditional elevators usable by people with disabilities, but destination elevators presented challenges, particularly with cited. How do you know to get from this keypad to your our corporate car . We had a terrific program where we develop and administer the bulletin, which your help, elevator companies, involvement from the public, and you can tell us the outcome of that. What is amazing about the process is we had both government and private industry, as well as people with disabilities at the table for three years creating these accessibility standards. What we are doing here is being looked at by the department of justice access board and state architects office. That is how good our standards are. Would you like to see . I am going to push the access key which will activate the voice. I want to go to floor 24. Ok, to the left. Elevator j has arrived. That was smooth. I am getting a text message. It is amazing, these destination elevators. Pretty soon, the signal that changes the system will be able to be routed through blue tooth and your phone, which is amazing. My iphone will be able to access the controls. In paris already, they are rounding the pedestrian signals through blue tooth and into peoples phones. So the future is really exciting and technology will make it quite a journey for everybody. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. So now i would like to introduce the chief engineer. Can you tell us about your experience . There were a lot of anticipation about how people would respond. At first, we had to get in front of people to direct them from their habits. Early morning, they are more into carrying their coffee and going inside of the elevator and then spilling their coffee to hit the keys. We got right in front of them, stopped them and told them exactly what they had to do. That helped out a lot. The other thing that helped were the lights in the lobby would tell them where the elevator was. A lot of these systems have not done that. We were the first to do that. The nice thing is weve got less spills in the lobby, too. You get into the elevator in the morning, and somebody is standing in front of the buttons and you cannot get to it. People are fighting each other, spilling coffee and stuff, so this works out well. Once you get inside, you are going to the floor that you have already decided on the outside. It really helped traffic flow and security as well. Would you say your experience has been a good one . Excellent. Very positive. Lets go on a tour. Here we have the network control. There are two groups here. In case one fails. There is automatic redundancy. Each of these cables connect to each device and communicates with the main global server. The previous equipment was a relay control, and it was analog logic. This has many advantages in that it can be Custom Program to and can readjust to changes. It can do a multitude of things, like the lights blinking in the lobby. Those are all programs that can be controlled by this equipment. Before, this room was filled relay panels collect that clicked. They had had a big rotator that told the person or the elevator was. We can level these cars with an 1 millimeter. It used to vary on the temperature by up to half an inch. That caused tripping hazards. Now you walk out and it is a smooth transition. It is important for the disabled as well. Over here is the controller. But this does is it provides information to the elevator where to go. Receives commands from within the elevator and from the destination dispatched central dispatched central. These elevators are precisely the electronic breaks, so they need to be very precise. In accordance with the vfd to supply power to the elevator motor, which is right here. These are original d. C. Drives. D. C. Was in place at the beginning of elevators. It was easier to control. Currently, new elevators are ac drives. But they are so expensive to replace and waste of materials. We have made it more efficient by providing aid to the electrical system to drive it. This is controlled by the same transistor that controls the toyota prius. When the elevator is empty, the counterweight polls the elevator and it generates electricity by breaking. The same thing as in your toyota creosote or another hybrid car. Prius or another hybrid car. Here inside we have the ibtv drive. This is important for landing of the elevator. Also, acceleration and deceleration, if there is instability in a car, can be reduced. So we have taken a ride in an antique elevator. This was an elevator built in 1913. We have checked out current Elevator Technology. These were installed in 1972, outside observation elevators. It is not standard because there is no tape that runs it. But shane we have seen the future of the Elevator Technology. I am going to push the access key which will access the voice. This has precise generation of power, which is important for highly acrilan the landing of the elevator. What happens next week and not know but it will be exciting. Thank you for showing us this interesting technology. Week. The San Francisco. 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Im the executive chef i served over 15 hundred meals a day for the camp mather folks breakfasts are pancakes and french toast and skranld eggs and hash browns our meal formulate is we have roost lion its reflecting of the audience we have people love our meals and love the idea they can pick up a meal and do worry about doing the dishes can have a great time at camp mather after camp people indulge themselves everyone racks go in a place thats crisis that i air after the crackinging of a campfire a campfire. 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The children grew up her playing around and riding their bites e bicycles its a great place to let the children see whats outside of the city common experience is a this unique camp when you get lost in the high sierra Wilderness Camp mather is waiting and we look forward to City Managers Office you here soon the hon. London breed good morning, everyone, and thank you so much for joining us. As civic demonstrations continue around the world, we are emboldened by the protests and the calls for action to address the racial injustices and inequities in policing and Law Enforcement. These protests come at a time when our communities have been struggling even more because of the coronavirus. For too long, black people have been subjected to abuse at the hands of those in power. Now is the time that we can make sure that the demonstrations that we see are translated into real action. As has sadly been demonstrated by the death of george floyd, black communities are also disproportionately represented in our criminal justice system, so reforms go hand and hand both around Police Reforms and criminal justice reforms, as well. Weve seen in San Francisco a lot of real change but also knowing that we have a lot more to do. So we are really excited with this panel here today to talk about the work that San Francisco has already done but also our commitment to doing even more, including using the police in response to noncriminal activities, addressing police biases and strengthening our ability, and promoting economic justice. If were going to make real change, we need to fundamentally change the nature of policing itself. Here is an incredible opportunity, and so todays conversation will discuss other paths, criminal justice reforms that have been made in San Francisco, and joining us today, i am so excited to have van jones here. Now people know about his work around criminal justice reform, environment justice, and other things, but i remember when i was living in public housing, that was a time when African Americans would not always standup to the police. You would see this black man, van jones, on the news whenever there was an injustice, calling it out and pushing for a change. Hes been doing this work for over 25 years, and just imagine, at a time when it was not popular, that he especially as an African American man was a target, he had the courage to step up to fight, and hes still fighting. Thank you so much to van jones for joining us today. We also have board of equalization chair malia cohen, who when she and i were on the board of supervisors, we led so many Police Reforms. She was instrumental in banning the chokehold and other policies that we are now implementing in San Francisco even when others attacked her, when they came after her, she stood strong, she stood tall, and now, as a result of her work, we have a separate office of Police Accountability that she brought to the ballot, and we worked together to do some Amazing Things in our Police Department. Welcome, malia cohen, and finally, we have police chief bill scott. Chief scott has also been a partner for pushing for these Police Reforms here in San Francisco, and we all know that change is not easy, but hes been committed to working with our communities and working for change because we want better not only for our Police Department, we want better for our community. So thank you all so much for joining us here today. Im really excited to get us started on this panel, and i want to really start with you, van. The fact is i mean, the fact is youre still here, doing this work, and now, you have more people who are doing this work. And when you were doing this work, you were criticized, you were discriminated, you were threatened. At that time, there were a lot of beatings because i remember seeing them my he have personally. There was no Police Accountability then. Tell me, what does it mean to see it right now . First of all, its a crazy experience. To see you the mayor, its just that, its a whole word. To be looking at you, malia, and to be looking at chief scott, i dont think people understand what it was like just in the 90s in San Francisco. I mean, we literally had a shoot first ask first, ask questions later policy. I look back to when i was a kid, and i thought, what was i doing . In San Francisco, we had a policy of shooting, pepper spraying, and beating African Americans to death. Sean williams beaten and pepper sprayed to death by a Police Officer named mark andaya. We finally rose up and said we had enough. I remember that. We would go to 850 bryant, and we would use that, we would use that Public Comment to turn the Police Commission meetings into public rallies, and we finally got rid of that Police Officer. That finally put me on the National Stage because no one had gotten a Police Officer fired in 30 years. I cannot tell you how important it is, what youre doing. It is very hard. People need Law Enforcement. We just want Law Enforcement. We want the police to obey the law, and we want them to play their lane and let the counselors play their lane, let the yoga instructors play their lane, let everybody play their lane. But when the Police Officers are given too many jobs to do, and too little oversight, thats what were going to have, were going to have homelessness is a police issue, drug addicts are a police issue. When kid throws an eraser, its a police issue. Everything is a police issue. I just want to say that i cannot tell you how important it is for you to create a model, a reinvented Police Presence in San Francisco, that that can license people across the country to do the same thing. I dont want to go down memory lane. Weve got too many problems right now, but at this time a trip, 25 years later, to see people like you and the chief talking about things we were talking about 25 years ago. The hon. London breed yeah, it is amazing. And when you think about it, 25 years, and sadly, we still see African American men, for the most part, losing their lives at the hands of Law Enforcement. The hon. London breed and the question i ask myself is, why is it always African American men . We have a lot of wonderful officers out there developing relationships, trying to work with the community. I grew up not trusting Police Officers, and to bridge that gap was important, but we also know that there are racist cops, there are cops that dont see African Americans as human beings, and thats at the core of what we need to dismantle. So its not just the policies, its how do we completely rid our departments of people who have a problem with black people, with lgbtq people, with chinese people, with folks who are different than they are . Im trying to figure out what to call you, chair cohen, because im used to calling you supervisor, but im so glad that you could join this conversation because you were so heroic. I was focused on police reform, but you took it to a whole nother level, and you just ran with it. As a member of the board of supervisors, you didnt have to attend Police Commission meetings, but you sat there for hours. And the time you invested in getting rid of the chokehold and the attacks on the Police Officers association, and all the stuff that you pushed for, you see what were implementing. As you support policies, we used to have seven officer involved shootings, and then, over the past two years, we have seen three officer involved shootings, which none have resulted in death. What do you think about the work youve done, and what do you think we have to do . Because we definitely have more to do. Good morning, chief and van and mayor. Its good to be with you on this panel and be part of this incredible moment in time. You know, mayor breed, i really its a mixed emotion, right . So in many ways, im proud that we have the foresight to start these processes. We used the board of supervisors, and we also used the Police Commission, two very, very important systems that are complementary to each other. But also, i feel like we still have a lot of work to do. I feel like we need to continue to roll up our sleeves and to better our best to continue to have thoughtful conversations on police matters. When we are talking about Law Enforcement, i want to focus on at least in our city, we focus on San Francisco Police Department, but we also need to focus on those in custody and the San Francisco sheriffs department. I think one of the entities that deserves the highest credit to our citys success really has to do with civilian oversight. Weve got a great Police Commission, and we need to continue to strengthen that commission. I am proud of the department of Police Accountability that we that got passed in 2016 that voters approved with over 70 . So there is a lot of things to be proud of. But looking forward, and looking into the future, theres still much work that needs to be done. So im delighted to be on this today with you and chief and van so that we can continue to talk about and make these changes. Im an instigator. You are, van. You are. And i appreciate these conversations. Theyre uncomfortable, and its time to be uncomfortable because now, were having an honest conversation about the changes that we need to make for black people in this country. I talk about this as mayor and when i was supervisor, and its not just because im black. African americans are less than 6 of the population in San Francisco, but almost 40 are homeless. And almost 50 are involved in the criminal justice system. The kids are dropping out of high school. Everything you talk about, were disproportionately represented, and everything that we talked about, we cant congratulate ourselves until theyre a part of the success, and that success means a reform of policing. Chief scott, youve been a member of the department for a few years now. Youve been criticized about the implementation of the reform. The obama administration, in 2015, issued recommendations around 21 century policing, and we committed, in San Francisco back then, that we are going to implement those recommendations. There have been a lot of criticism because out of the 273 recommendations, San Francisco has only been able to implement 61. Now its not about checking a box. We want to make sure people understand when theyre doing antibias training, when theyre doing deescalation training, that they get it. So tell us why things are moving so slowly, and what can we expect moving forward, and how are we going to get to a better place around policing in our city . Yeah, thank you, mayor breed. Let me start off by answering your question about reform. 272 recommendations, that process was a longtime process in terms of what got us there. And really, what got us there are the officerinvolved shootings that san franciscans were outraged about. So of those 272 recommendations, 58 of them specifically deal with use of force, and i am happy to report to you all that we were in compliance with according to the department of justice on over half of our use of force revisions. Ill back up a step further in terms of the time that it takes. Reform is not like you just said in there, a checked box process, it is not that. Even with the 61 recommendations that we have completed, one of the things that we had to work on was whats the Continuous Improvement loop . So weve completed the recommendation, but what we had to put in place were systems of accountability so we dont rest on our successes and say were done. And when the california d. O. J. Looked at our work, you know, a lot of our work got kicked back for just that reason. We had cannot the work that we needed to do, but its whats next on the forefront. We had to go back like our officer involved shootings, we had town hauls. Its good for the communities to be transparent, to get the community have a say in letting us know what theyre thinking, feeling, but that recommendation, even though we were doing town hauls before i got here. What they found was we didnt have a feedback loop to converse with the community and each other after the town haul to say what can we do better . So we had to go back and institute a feedback loop to make sure that every time we have an incident, that we continue to look at it critically, and we continue to get better. Let me say this, and not to be too long winded, for all of you on the call, i and many of you applaud your leadership, because somebody had to step out and be the first one. Often times im not a biker, but i know a lot of bikers. They always talk about the first one in line, everybody goes behind them because its easier to follow. You were the first one in line, and strathat was instrumental get us to successes. Mayor breed, you had the same experiences in terms of being a leader. What youre trying to do in terms of redirecting our resources, thats leadership. Other people jumped behind you and said were going to do this, too. But what mr. Jones did back 25 years ago, thats not easy, but it makes it easier for people to stand behind you and push, so i just want to say, its a challenge, but were making progress, and we will continue to go. The hon. London breed chief, i just want to say that San Francisco is one thing, and we still have our problems, but when you look at whats still happening and i try not to get emotional, but what i saw in the video with george floyd, and even mario woods here in San Francisco. And when i see these things happen, im thinking about my brother, im thinking about my cousin and others and even those that i helped raise in this community and the fillmore, all black men, right . And then, i feel like why . Why is it always us, and how this conversation now, what people saw, weve been forced to live with it. Weve had no choice. But now, others are starting to emerge and look at this incredible opportunity. So i wanted to hear from you, you know, what do you think is going on nationally as to why were here, and do you think its going to lead to national change with Law Enforcement in our country . I think it is, we have the opportunity here. Listen, in the past two weeks, youve seen the emergence of a conversation on race. Most of the time, were getting gaslit; people saying oh, well, he was running, the police had to make a quick decision, and so people were getting desensitized to what we are seeing. But this was a lynching, a lynching. A white man strangling a black man to death, and his face looking peaceful the whole time. The only threat was the cops. You have to watch it one minute, two minutes, three minutes, four minutes, hes calling for his mother. His mothers been dead. Five minutes, urinating on himself. People screaming, youre killing him. Five times, he said he cant breathe. Weve been lynched for 400 years, but youve never seen it on a billion cell phones at the same time. Youve never seen it on 1 billion cell phones at the same time. In the 50s, a generation of black people, when they got to campus, campuses in the 50s, they took off. The picture, the Television Pictures of those dogs being sicced on children in birmingham in 63, the whole world moved. That young child who held that video camera put a shard of glass into every video camera in the planet, and so now, they are a part of that, they dont know what to do, and that creates an opportunity for people to say hey, we have ideas. Weve been trying to tell you, and we have a perfect video of a perfect murder in daylight with cell phone cameras and body cameras on. I know you get it now. What do we do . Im part of a National Movement matt haney your good friend matt haney and i created something called cut 50 several years to try to get some bipartisan support on that movement. We now have republicans and democrats trying to Work Together in congress right now to try to do something right now, to try to get a bill passed. All of these steps that weve been taking along the way have brought us to this point. I believe that you have 30 to 40 million white people in america right now who maybe believe three things. Number one, racism is real or more real than we thought, somethings wrong with the system when it comes to police and criminal justice, and what can i do . Im going to tell you, as an old guy, thats a miracle. Ive never seen that, and so i do think more is possible. We have to be very, very clear that at the end of the day, we have to reimagine and reinvent policing itself. The kids are saying defund the police, defund the police. Everybody is mad at the kids for saying that. But if you double click on that defund the Police Slogan i understand that people dont like that the ideas are we are reconvening the budget and appropriations meeting and ill call a recess until 9 00 tonight. Thank you very much for your patience. Goodbye. A 1,000mile mountain of proof when we know what the hell is going on and everybody else. When nascar says you cant bring confederate flags anymore, when the nfl supports people kneeling, theres something happening. Y the hon. London breed you have people stepping down from boards, saying put a black person in my place. You have juneteenth celebrations, and a lot of folks dont even know what juneteenth is. Ive got to say, part of it is i pray that this is not a fad for people, you know . I want this to be real, and i also dont want people to keep treating this, you know, in some ways, like a joke. Theres a lot of blood, sweat, and tears that have gotten us to this moment, and so i want us to be active in this energy for getting change. Eric garcetti in los angeles was one of the first to say im going to redirect funding for the Police Department to programs in the African American community, im like, how did you do that . He said hed already been working on it. He already had an amount, hed already been working on it. Im, like, not trying to jump on the band wagon, but at the same time, when i look at the police budgets, and i look at the African American community, and weve been talking about reparations and the need to invest in the African American community in this city, this is a need. This is not about a fad, this is about we have to be deliberate. And were not saying the Police Department were not saying we dont need Police Officers. Thats exactly what youre talking about, reenvision, reenvision. So when barbecue becky is saying, im in the park, and youre not supposed to barbecue in the park, and theres some black people barbecuing in the park. Is it a dangerous situation . Are people getting hurt . Why should police have to go out there in the first place because that could escalate things. Because being theres a tension and a lack of understanding and a breakdown, and that could escalate to somebody black getting killed. It could. So we have to be mindful of these things and, you know, i want to go back to chair cohen because, you know, like i said, the policies some of the policies that weve been pushing for are now being implemented along with more that needs to be done. So, for example, one of the things that you pushed for was around, you know, antibias training and the goal of trying to make sure that people who have, you know, some sort of disciplinary issues around biases on their record and those who have certain complaints and other things, that were able to basically hold them accountable and we make sure that we hold people accountable in their department. Tell us about what you have worked on and also more that you want to see here in San Francisco which hopefully could translate to other departments in the country. Chair cohen so one of the things that i think San Francisco has done well has to do with crisis intervention training. I think c. I. T. Training is important for every single officer that is on the street, and i would even take it a step further, and in addition to kri s crisis intervention training, deescalation techniques to try to calm the situation down before tasers are drawn. Just knowing that the San Francisco Police Department does not have tasers, but thats always in the backdrop and always a discussion, whereas our sheriffs are armed with them. But when i think about bias training, bias training is really interesting, and i remember prior to chief scott serving, when the previous chief was serving, we had many conversations, and quite frankly, mayor lee would go round and round, there was an attitude that not everyone needed biasunbias training. The truth is we all have biases that shape every day how we all interact. And as government officials, i think its important for us to look at these biases and deconstruct them, not only from a Law Enforcement perspective but also you think about your department heads, how they allocate their budget. Which departments are receiving money and which are not . These are all critical pieces to the puzzle because the responsibility does not solely rest on Law Enforcement. What did you say, van . Im just over here having church because thats the basis for peaceful streets. Thats what we want, peaceful streets. Thats the ecosystem, peaceful streets. Go to the suburbs. You have a whole system that makes it happen, not just the cops, peaceful streets. Go ahead. Chair cohen thank you, van. Its a universal attitudinal change, and i applaud you for trying to make a policy change to pull out Law Enforcement officers in an educational setting. I also want to recognize that we talk about neighborhood response and neighborhood watch, being critical and mindful that weve got next door, and often times on next door weve got these successful neighborhood vigilante putting up racist profiles that cause problems. You talked about barbecue becky. We think of the bird watcher in central park about how police have been weaponized and called onto punish, quite honestly, when the person is African American and male. So we need to envision, maybe we dont need Police Response for every single problem. Perhaps we need to have a Crisis Intervention Team that is trained to respond to issues that take place at lake mary or issues that take place in places such az centrs central. These changes are not new, but theres a real commitment, and weve got fresh leadership think about it. These are changes that were discussing that you and i havent been able to discuss since weve been serving in office, and weve been serving for at least ten years. There was an issue in the legislature yesterday that got out of assembly for, and that was bill 209. It was around 25 years. It was the First Campaign that i worked on, works agained aga legislation to repeal. Now here we are, working to get it on the ballot. Now what does prop 209 have to do with police . Oh, it has to do with it. When youve got womenowned businesses, minorityowned businesses, theyre vested. Theyre making an investment in their families, making an investment in their communities, and have the ability to stand with an incredible sense of pride. Overall, how that relates to organizations, how that relates to businesses, were all interconnected. And i think the moment we stop realizing oh, this is a police issue, oh, this is a Mental Health issue, oh, this is a womens issue, thats the moment that we begin to move forward in a very thoughtful way. But i think about other reforms. If you want me to go on, i can. I mentioned Community Policing being incredibly important. We talk about foot patrols, what that looks like. We talk about increasing Mental Health organizations, funding for service providers. We think about luis gongora, unfortunate situation where he was a homeless man, shot and killed in the streets of San Francisco. Now another issue that may be controversial but i want to mention it, we are transparent about officers records, having transparency in two areas the collection of data and the analysis of data. So we understand that chief, i believe this is a is this in the administrative code, was it 90a . 96a. Chair cohen thank you, 96a, which we both fought for when i was on the board of supervisors that would change the way that data is collected. One thing that i believe in, and it comes from my days at carnegiemellon, until we review the data, we really dont know what the hell is going on. We rely on somebody else to interpret the data for us, but we need to start collecting data nationally. How many black men are killed at the hands of police. We need data on who is stopped and how frequently, what is the badge number and stars of the officer. We are looking for patterns of misconduct, and we can glean that out when looking at the data. So pivoting back to president obamas 21st century policy on policing, we can do that. We had 272 recommendations made to us, and that takes time. Were talking about changing not only peoples hearts and minds, band believes, but their hearts and minds. I believe that people that serve in the Police Department, Law Enforcement, the Fire Department, we have a calling to do good in every day peoples lives, to protect their rights. So there are good people among them and their very bad people. You know, the code of silence, of protecting those that are bad, weve got to change that also because its making all of us in Public Service look poor and unresponsive, and i think that the protesters have really nailed it. I think new york just recently passed just yesterday some legislation to increase transparency on Law Enforcement officers on their background. If youre fired from the San Francisco Police Department, why the hell should you be hired in antioch, in the Police Department . Theres always loopholes, and theres gray areas. The hon. London breed and hell say, chair cohen, a lot of the things that you were talking about, the issues around, for example, their records and other things, those are things that were implementing, those are the next steps, along with the responsibility for an officer to intervene when they see Excessive Force being used. So when you think about it, the fact that those officers in George Floyds case, hey, man, get off his neck, and the fact that they were so cavalier and passive, i just it just baffles me. Theyre hopefully going to be prosecuted, theyre hopefully going to be held accountable because theyre just as much guilty for the death of george floyd. Heres my issue the fact that any Police Officer would think what they saw is okay because its a procedure, its all in their procedures is a problem, and so i think what we are getting people to understand is you can no longer hide behind procedure. Were changing procedure, we want to see change of hearts and minds, and so this is difficult. Chair cohen in addition to changing procedure, we need to change policy, because i think policy and procedure go hand and hand. If you remember, lawyers that are defending officers that are going through the the the process of their cases being heard hide behind laws, so we as policy makers need to be cognizant and aware of that and change that. Something that shirley webbers law was predicated on what we did in San Francisco, in that when you actually pull your weapon and actually fire. Were running out of time, and i dont know if the chief wants to Say Something before i do. Ive got a fourminute hard stop. Chief . Yeah, i was just going to talk about what chair cohen was saying about the reform. The part of our reform was to work with academic researchers and partners to take that data and run with it. You know, for a lot of people, who do we associate with crime and why . As a black man, i cant tell you how many times ive walked by a car and heard the door lock. And this is im not alone. I know many people but the point is rethinking policy and what the things that we are doing to add to that association of whos a criminal, whos not, whos dangerous, we need to rethink that, too. Ill tell you, with our Police Department, were doing just that. We heard a lot of people talk about our policy on releasing looking photos, and were looking at the policy probably in the next couple of weeks, well be changing our policy on releasing booking photos. This is the benefit of working with actual scientists who know what bias is and what feeds into stereotyping and all that. How do we perpetuate that, you know, when people are asking for booking photos of certain individuals, people start associating those individuals with being dangerous which changes the whole idea of Police Officers and society in general. We need to reel that back. Thats something in the next few weeks that well be doing. Ive got to tell you, my thinking has evolved based on the data involved and some of the scientists that were working with at ucsf and cal berkeley who are all telling us the same thing. Dont perpetuate the problem with your policies, so weve got to pull some of this stuff back. Its really basic to me. Im sure all of you have experienced those types of things, as well. But we associate certain people with certain stress. The hon. London breed yeah, and chief, we have to wrap it up, so i want to give van the last word. This has been a very insightful conversation. I appreciate all that youre bringing to the table, so i want to bring it over to van for the final word. I just want to say how important this conversation is. There might be people who might be watching this who feel that hey, San Francisco might be better than it was, they might be on the right path, but theyre not where they need to be. I have homeless issues, i have Mental Health issues, i have needs that arent being met. Be encouraged. Be encouraged because i think what youre seeing is a process by which were reimagining policing and maybe reinventing policing in San Francisco, and if we can continue to expand the circle, expand the listening, listen to everybody, theres going to what we want is peaceful streets. We dont want law and order. You think of law and order, wheres the disorder . I hope youre safe. Dude, wheres the threat . We just want peaceful streets, peaceful streets, and it takes a lot to get this. Were going to have to learn some things, unlearn some things, start doing some things, stop doing some things. But if you feel this conversation hasnt come to you yet, stay on the train. Its going to get this. All these different groups that are saying hey, we want reform, it is possible if we stick together. San francisco can lead the way, like we always have done. We got some little reforms, too, but more reforms are coming. Any way i can be helpful, let me know. Thank you. The hon. London breed thank you, chair cohen, van, and chief scott. Im mayor london breed. Lets take this opportunity at this moment to push for real change. I want to thank all of you who have been out there on the frontlines, doing everything you can to make sure that there is justice for all of us, that we are all seen, that we are all heard, and now is the time, more than ever, to make real change. We appreciate all of you for joining us again. More to come in some of our future conversations, and please stick with us on pushing for these reforms. It wont be easy, but its necessary, and it will change and save lives for the better. Thank you all so much. Thank you. Good afternoon. Im the chief building inspector with the Department Building inspection. Welcome to our Brown Bag Lunch series. This is the regular third thursday of every month event. We are finishing up with a talk about the outside lambs, an area that was previously considered uninhabitable. Uninhabitable due to fog. [inaudible] but we have with us a couple of real experts in outside plans. I am outside in outside lands. Woody has devoted a lot of his time and effort to the outside lands. We are a nonprofit in our 10th year, and we are dedicated to preserving and sharing the history of San Francisco. It is great to have you here. And pat, who has a lot of knowledge and brought to be sure today a lot of [inaudible] , and she can share with that she can share that with us as well, and we only regret that harvey the wonder dog could not be here. We talked about [inaudible] what area, generally, are we talking about . The term came from what was called the pueblo land when the San Francisco peninsula was switched over from mexican ownership to american ownership. Certain tracts were preserved, so there was a more orderly, even though it took decades, transfer of ownership of those lands, but there were also what were called pueblo lands, which were sort of a poem by the town, and then, there was a whole lot of discussion about what should happen to those which were sort of zero and sort of owned by the town. So was San Franciscos bordered upon at the time, or did that happen later . San mateo county did not exist when they originally chartered it. I think there were 16 counties, and a few years later, they said they were too large, so they doubled back and created san mateo county. This is an early map of an area that might have been known as San Francisco, but it did not have a defined southern boundary yet. The city i believe was up larkin street, and everything west was counties. I think larkin was here. That is the original charter. Then in 1850, van ness, who was the supervisor, did the addition. It was called the western addition, even though it was in the middle of the city, because it was west of larkin. I did not understand that when i was a child. It always seemed that it was east of where everything i knew was. All this down here was county of San Francisco, so there was a point in time where you could be in the county of San Francisco, but not in the city you live in these outside lands. Lead problem is if you look at the orientation, no. Is up. We are going to turn it the way we are normally accustomed to seeing it. Here is where the Golden Gate Bridge is. Here is where the bay bridge is. The county went all the way down here, and about a year later, they moved the county to write about here, so this was county land or outside land, and this was the city. This was 1861, so the city has grown by this much. These were added, and they are basically pasture lands. That is where petrero street is. And out here, the rancho what is a rancho . It is a mexican land grant that we agreed to respect when we still california from the mexicans. We agreed to respect the land grants that existed, and there was a Commission Set up. Regretfully, none of the land grants were legally bested, so most of them were taken away from the mexicans. The other portion were pureblo lands, which would be considered entitled to four square leaks leagues. So 30 square miles with the possession of the pueblo of San Francisco for public use, and that is how we got golden gate. When they acquired it as publicly, part of the treaty said you had to all mexican law, which set a certain amount of outside plants must be used for schools, playgrounds, open space. The original chaldea San Francisco the original county of San Francisco came from san mateo county. They decided it was too large a county, said the card off another county. At the time, the largest population in the state was in San Francisco. L. A. Barely made a presidio. They had, like, 50 or 60 people. 90 of the population was in San Francisco, and everyone down the peninsula is saying if they are in the county, San Francisco has this huge population, we are going to have to go along with them, so they cant get off they carved it off. It looks like it is the richmond district, but a kind of shows what was on the west side town. A great deal of it was sam, and for that reason, people thought that the weather and the san it was really not a place that people wanted to live, and it was going to be very typical for San Francisco very difficult for San Francisco to expand west. If you look at the early maps, it was 3 miles wide by about 6 miles long, this huge sand dunes that just moved around. Here is an 1875 map of the laguna. Says along the side of the map, high sand hills between the Pacific Ocean and the like. By the way, this had actually opened directly into the ocean. Lake merced had a high water level. Since we paid over much of the city, the water levels have dropped, but at one time, the late actually trade out into the ocean approximately where the dog diner is that now. Somewhere in the 1870s, they saw the damage at the water in the late so it did not exit out uncontrolled, and for 10 years, people were drinking lake merced water as drinking water. It is much bigger, too. If you go to San Francisco state, the practice will appeal this part of the lake. I do daily city, that was part of the lake. It was huge. The Southern Area [inaudible] but there is a different area. There was a creek that came down basically through west portal and said that particular lake. That was filled in when they develop west portal, and they had the brilliant idea when they dug but, they needed a place to put it, so they build the creek in with the tunnel muck. You can see in 1910, we are talking about after the earthquake, but Outer Richmond is still pretty sparsely settled. Or anyone who ever wondered what richmond is named after, it was a guy by the name of marsh, who was from richmond, england. Australia . Australia . George turner marsh. No trees at all. People see trees in the city and think they may have been made. Sand and scrub. At some point, these are the lives were used recreational these outer lands were used recreational lly. There is. We hoave what, the third . Depends on it you are coming the addition. But they all burned down. That was around 1900, so if you are ever stuck in traffic in the sixlane boulevard in 19th avenue, imagine what it was like back then. [inaudible] i would say this is after they began to develop some homesteading entries. It was a large chicken ranch out there. Lawson chicken ranch was along 19th ave. [inaudible] not exactly. He donated the land later to the city, though. Sort of the farm house feeling of the richmond. There is a water tower with a windmill in the back. Right, get your water from wells. That was the early boathouses. Looking at that map, sporting men would come out in the horses, have little races with their horses and carriages and the sea horse races, maybe get in a card game, have a drink of the way to the beach. But this was when there was county land, so there was no gambling. The move people out to county for the race track. They were away from intense public scrutiny out there. My of the state is there were four racetracks in the city. My understanding. Can you name them . Pioneer, union, in the side, and oceanside. There ago. Maybe there are more. We have a big article on race tracks on our website. Outsidelands. Org. The ingleside, you can still see that. They developed where that race track was, just south of ocean avenue, they kept the oval of the race track and created urbano drive. I think we have some progress of that. That is the inner sunset. That is where lawrence lives i do. You can see the inner sandbank. It is a big old sand hill. They had to do a lot of grading. In the Building Department, when we go out and look to people to building development, as soon as they squared away the top 6 inches or whatever is there, it is all sand. Forever. In my yard, and there is nothing you can do about it. It is what there is. It was generally developed in response to the 1890s for mid winter there, which was held in Golden Gate Park. Would the first buildings that was built in that area was a bar called the little shamrock, and it is still there just west of lincoln, just west from ninth avenue. It was built to help Service People who were working on the big winter fair. They are still hoping the neighborhood. It is an offshoot of the 18928093 columbian exposition in chicago. When they were done, San Francisco said bring it here. That is the chicken ranch. The building to the east of that is the chicken ranch, and you can see beyond to the west all sand dunes and hollows and gullies. That is one of the row houses we were talking about. As late as 1910, there were crackdowns and vice raids [laughter] that is a good way to say it. That is the racetrack grandstand. That is huge. Opening day in 1895 through 14,000 people. They put a train line to it. They had a street car line. It was a big deal in those days, horse racing was. Reason really interesting progress about car bill. Tell us about what cargo was. In 1895, adolph sutro owned a couple blocks of land, which were sand dunes. The pavement, the streets. South of Golden Gate Park. There was a train line that brought people from downtown to the beaches. Mostly, it was used on sundays. It went along with a good way to the beach. Top of that, a few people started using old horse carts, which are essentially street cars that were pulled by horses. They became obsolete as cable cars and electric trolleys took over. And they took these old horse cars and made little foot houses out of it clubhouses out of them. Some of those turned into permanent residences, and you had up to 100 of these little cars all tumbled out there in the sand dunes. I remember when i was a kid going out there, some of them with all the way over to the zoo, and they had taken more modern streetcars and made holds out of them by picking them up and putting him on a sandlot. After the 1906 earthquake, they put in a lot of electric car lights, so it just kept growing. Here is a building incorporating cars. In the upper story. St. Andrews church. 47th ave. A lot of artists and writers and people you might call bohemians at the time went to cargill. It was an artistic place to hang out. You have people going out, maybe getting into landscape, maybe just partying. But wasnt there some push back . It had an unsavory reputation. In 1913, the lead was settled, and it was supposed to be sold, and a lot of people did not like it because they thought there was a lot of romantic rendezvous happening there that perhaps should not be. They had a ceremony there to burn the car out of cargo, so they have a big bonfire. It was the fourth of july, so they threw some fireworks in, too, and they were trying to announce that it was a new neighborhood. It was respectable. That is essentially the last and best carville house on the highway. Two cable cars that are joined together. They took out the walls and connected the rope and of course, as a bedroom. And i would like to buy it. I think we have a photograph of the inside of one of these cars. Yes, some of the original cable car bridges are still on the inside. It is a wonderful place. Im writing a book on carville. That is ucsf. Adolph sutro donated the land. He had a lot of land. Did. He bought a rancho in 82, and it was a huge chunk of land in a little peninsula. It took decades for it to fill in with housing. When he died, he leapt 1,100 acres to widows and orphans, and his children that truck. They comprise the woods, sherwood forest, forestville. It was a contentious thing. It took about 13, 15 years in public. This is actually in Golden Gate Park, the casino. It was a controversy at the time to have a place that serve liquor and had card games in Golden Gate Park. Eventually, it moved to 24th ave. We still have the newly recently refurbished stop along the great highway. The beach shall i chalet. I always find it ironic that these federal highway funds were used to refurbish this place for drivers to get a drink. Terrific. [laughter] there were farms, and there were dairies, as these houses are starting to be built, and they are more conventional residents is, and they are still a farm. In the distance, you can see it is still sand dunes. And water once again from windmills and wells. There is a few small lakes. Some of the lakes are natural lakes. They are not all manmade. It took a while to get the water lines out there. You can see the huge sand dune behind it. It was a challenge to get basic services. People would build houses, and instantly, a huge sand banks would blow in the night and basically closeup peoples front doors. They had a lot of development that was needed before they could make a nice place to live. This was the park side real estate brochures from about 1913. 1908. There are pages you can read. Inside it shows what you can do. It was so might be developed but never got develop. The Realty Company was going to take all of it and essentially the lead in and put houses in there. That was their plan. It was a very nice square grid. So the south side of the sunset is called the park side. I think it would be closer to Golden Gate Park, but it was sort of a realty bargaining scheme because it was mostly sand dunes. The first announcement was that it was much warmer than you would imagine. It is beautiful. There are trees. You could get away from the wind. It is sunny. They were just trying to make it sound good. There was a row house down there there is still a row house down there. You could rent that for your wedding. The boss of San Francisco, who was dethroned after the earthquake, he was arrested. They tracked it down there. He was hiding out. Was it still county land at that time . City lead. This is after it was subdivided into standard lots . They are big. Anyone who live there, you might have a backyard twice as long as your house. Smaller Home Builders started taking root with larger ones. A lot of times, it was like this. A guy would buy a couple of lots and essentially build two houses and tried to sell them. Or live in one. They did that all the way up to the 1940s. One of the last parcels a friend of mine lived on on 28 and cabrilla, which used to be a garbage dump, and in the 1940s, they build it over with sand they have lots of that lying around. This is parker studio boulevard in the richmond district. You are on the road, which is this piece of land. After the 1906 earthquake and fire, there were a refugee camps for and in a lot of the refugee camps, there were earthquake refugee cottages. These were small little portable cottages built on these camps, and the idea was you could live there, and when the camps closed after a bad year, you could take it away to an empty lot. You had to buy it. You could, but your rent would go towards the purchase price. By the end, they just wanted to get rid of them. In 1930, all of these were declared a substandard structures and the city wanted them all destroyed because they were blights. But there still are many. How many are left . There is at least 30. Out of 5610 built. Yes, sir. I just love to do find out what the orientation of this picture is. Part presidio would have run pretty much right through there . Right. This is reserve as city land for a park. People were really excited because they were just about to start doing some landscaping of the park, and then the earthquake hit, and they said no park. There were going to put thousands of refugees there. The neighbors complained about it until they realized they could sell goods, services, anything to these refugees, and they made a lot of money, so they were ok with it. [inaudible] boulevard existing now, or did it come in after this . There was no boulevard. It came in in the teens. This was the sunnyside, just northeast of city college. Another early land scheme, and this is a point you were making, that streetcars were in a very important factor in getting the west side settled. So he built the First Electric streetcar in San Francisco, and he conveniently had to go right to a bunch of land he owned where he created the sunnyside, which was a suburb. You take the streetcar out to the suburbs. Outside a town was the way it was described. Not that far. Far enough. And it was not sunday, either. Again, it is all marketing. Im looking at the names of streets. Who got to name the streets in these new sn what is interestins alphabetical on the sunny side. Acadia. It is alphabetical. It ended at hamburg. In world war room in one, people did not like it. They thought it was world war i, people did not like it. They thought it was too german. There are two in bayview hunters. There is one that Treasure Island then there is one out there. There are two in bayview hunters poitn. Point. They said, we will rename all of the streets. They decided to name them after spanish explorers, which was controversial. They compromised. Some of the streets are named after an indian place in yosemite. They had the number of streets already put in, nice and simple. They wanted to name the other ones, and they wanted to name all of the eastwest ones with explorers ones with explorers. There was a big complaint about the spanish names. A few of them they kept. These are the park side cottages. As early as 1908, they had a textbook and they said, you can build as cottage. We will give you the plans. Take it away. We think about it later, but they were doing it early. This is a placard from one of those cooky cutter homes. We talk about housing today. I have two work days. This is 600927 6927. They put them on the building of that authority could figure out what you were buying. You will see these placards. This is 1930. You can see that it was sand, sand, sand. There were train tracks that unloaded in front of Us Development site. In front of this development site. These three houses, can you see them . They are still there. People were optimistic. They would buy three lots and say, we will build three two story houses here and eventually it will fill in. It did, but it was three decades. This is sunset boulevard being put in. There were putting in this big boulevard. It is pointing out a goalie in the middle of the sand. A gully in woody was just s time. I have been wanting one of these for years. I know they were at 5300. The building is still there. They were not the most enlightened company. They were strict about not showing homes to minorities. They got in trouble for that. Willie brown actually made his name by going and trying to see one of the homes. It was a very political thing. He would walk up with a whole bunch of people in the person showing the home would sneak away. Even in the teens, there were a lot of neighborhoods that had restrictions against certain groups of people. This was in the 1950s. Willie mays had trouble buying a house in San Francisco. A couple of people would not show him a house. They had to enlist the mayor and a bunch of people. This is their reservoir. Companies would take a block and there would start wrecking houses. There were building two a day they were building two with a. The 1930s were the big boom times for the sunset. This is a recession. These are the homes in west would park. In Westwood Park. How did this perform . The composite the assembly comes assembly composite assembly. They would stucco it. They would put chicken wire on it. When i inspect buildings that are being remodeled, i see that the chicken wire mesh is completely gone. It is galvanized. The saltwater was enough to rest it out. It people think stucco is waterproof it is not waterproof. It sucks the water in. You have to water protect it and paint it. The above the low medium that was going on the bungalow frenzy that was going on, people were building houses at a remarkable rate in the 1930s. Nothing down. You can pay us later. We have to sell this. This is shared in school and the ocean view that it this is shariton school and the ocean view dedication. These early neighborhoods, this is 1910, they would have to do a lot of things themselves. The first school was built by the neighbors. The district did not have the money or the interest. When they finally got a school the city built, it took 25 years to get it. This is the dedication. They have diagonal sheathing. They had an architect in charge. You could get rattlesnakes. Some of the great homes in San Francisco built before the earthquake had diagonal sheeting. All of the joints had to be cut at a 45 degreeangle. This had diagonal sheathing. Much more effective. Those three buildings are still there in the ocean view. That is the twin peaks tunnel hiding behind that building. That was a big deal for getting a lot of the neighborhoods that we were talking about. Anglesite terraces, forest hill, and will side ingleside. It would cut the commute time. It made Home Building and buying a ridiculous proposition. The tunnel would solve the problems. There is the tunnel. 1915, theyre building the tunnel. 1920something. They used to decorate the tunnel for christmas. Why dont they do that now . It obstructs the actual portal. West portal went from, maybe it will be ok, and then the cars to over. Cars took over. It kind of looks that way now. This is the ocean view we were talking about. Most of that is gone now. Golden gate heights. 1928. That is 16th avenue down there in front of us. Lots of sand dunes. Houses are starting to take over. We have a later photo coming up. And nuance. It is there because no one wanted to live on 13th avenue. There is no 13th ave. There is the Sunset Reservoir and the sand dunes. They were building houses right on the dunes. That is 28. That is the same view in 1990. And the park is there. Much better. This is Westwood Park. It used to be called residential park. The idea was that instead of having a bar next door to your house, this would be an exclusive residential community. The street should follow the land. They had curvilinear streets. They had decorative vases, stairways. The whole idea was someone would come home from work and he should be elevated and think great thoughts. He should not be in the hustle and bustle of the urban environment. There were very restrictive. They tried to say you had to have certain setbacks and you could not use buildings for other than the residents, and you could not be a minority unless you had permission. That was a big problem. They are still here. You can see this place. I am not positive i know where this is. Can you aureate me . That is ocean avenue on the bottom left. The center line of that is myrmar ave. What is there that anybody would know . There are two gates. On the monterey side, theres a beautiful ornamental gate that welcomes people. All bungalows. What do you mean by that . Traditionally, it is all on of little half story it is up on a little half story. They are smaller homes. There were supposed to be within reach of the average working man. Architecturally, the bomb blows bungalows were derived from craftsman style and affected by the mission revival. This is a very attractive neighborhood. For years, i would appraise in this neighborhood and think, these homes are lovely. They have fairly large lots. They are set back. They are attractive treescapes. They were very undervalued. That has not been the case for 10 or more years. Ingleside was more of a hodgepodge. It developed piecemeal. It was not macro planned in any way. This looks like it was over the track, but it is not. You will find early reports of people saying it was a dog racing track. This is the racing track. This is on the southwest side. Ingleside terraces. It is the same thing with the residents park. We will have a giant sundial with a reflecting pond. It has pillars around each end. It has an ionic column. It was supposed to be a commemoration of the panama canal opening. He had these girls dancing at the dedication. He had a baby being pushed in a carriage. The sundial was dedicated at night. It is kind of a strange little thing. It is there and you can go see it. This is another before and after shot that shows it around 1900. This is in the 1950s. They started carving away. That building is still there. It is where the lakeside district is. I like the rocket. A wellknown builder in the area, an admirer of henry ford, the idea of getting this down, having an assembly line, build this in quickstyle. This is a 1932 i think he built this house. He was a pragmatic businessman. This has Spanish Colonial revival elements. A few years later, it is streamlined. Modern. Stylocrat. It is better than being aristocratic. To sell them, he had to come up with clever names like that. Like lafayette. He went with the popular taste. When the modern architecture started coming in, he was happy because it was less work. Very little detail. You see detail in brought the city. People took tract homes and tried to individualize them in various ways throughout the cities. Here is an example of how they might have done that. They had a lot of medallions and reliefs. The working class would go out to go swimming in the ocean. The wealthy would stay downtown like in the marines memorial or the elk and they would have heated saltwater. People wanted to swim in salt water. How did the water get there . There was a pipe that allowed it to flow all the way down. That pipe rusted out. People went swimming in the saltwater pools and they had different temperatures. You could have a cold swim or a warm swim. How did they heat this . He had a huge boiler. Theyre still trying to figure out exactly how he sucked in the sea water. He had a pumping system. Didnt sutro make his initial fortune by being the engineer who figured out how to ventilate the mines at Virginia City . That is the way he would phrase it. He drained them for water, not for air. He got backers for the tunnel. He said, we need this tunnel for safety, for air, for ventilation. He got this tunnel built and he got people to back it. Just before it opened, it was proved to be not real helpful. He got out with his money. I bring it up as a reference that he had the engineering history, which allowed him to figure out how to do it. He was good that creating large, engineering marvels. This was one. The largest indoor pool. It might have been. It became an ice skating rink. I was there when it was an ice skating rink, probably the year before it was burned down. The mummies were there. He had that victorian style of stuffing everything he could into this place. He had seashells and jaguars and everything he thought might be interesting or educational to people. People would come over to swim, but they could also see a huge tableau of the last supper. Right over here is woodward gardens. He started collecting stuff. He invited people over and eventually opened it up to the public. He had a menagerie. It was an 1800 thing. Could any of the people in this room go . Ice skating. Ice skating. You could see the remains of the pool. I thought the ice rink was made out of one of the largest pools. Yes. You can see the ell that goes around. They tried to make it a tropical beach theme. They had a bunch of sand. Like you could not go to the beach 40 feet away. It did burn down. It seems like it would have been a wonderful resource for the city to purchase it and rebuild it you could never afford the money to rebuild it. There were efforts to try to keep it. Someone tried to sell it to the city in the 1950s. They kept it going with the ice skating rink. It closed and it looked bad. People thought we should buy it and keep it. Other people wanted to put condos in there. A serious fire started and the whole place burn down. They still talk about it as a mysterious fire. It could have been an insurance thing. Hello, gladys. Was glad to hear from you and not going to return. Will write in a few days. That is a bath and the house behind. You can see the chimney heating that area. A pool opened in the 1920s. They talked about how they were going to keep it, but they never did. To heat it, but they never did. This is a publicity shot. This was the Worlds Largest public pool. They had lifeguards in boats. This was a beautiful building. It is boarded up and full of rats and homeless folks. This is a parking lot now. 8 and you can park there. The beach was a big pleasure place. They would go for sunday picnics and stay all day. An Amusement Park developed to cater to these people. I think we have a shot of the fun house. She was not in the fun house. She was in a glass thing at the fun house. It was an animatronics robot who went ha ha ha ha all day and scared generations of san franciscans out of their wits. It has a monthtomonth lease at fishermans wharf. They moved it to this temporary location at fishermans wharf. They left an unusual little treasure of the city. Ingleside terraces, again, i was trying to show off the residence park. A lot of crazy building. For still has one of the great stairways forest hill has one of the greats their ways. Great stairways. This looked like a ship. They used to decorate fire houses for christmas. On the side of this fire house is a wooden tower. The tower was for drying the hoses. After they get water in them, they have to be dried. A fire house like this is for sale. If you have 1. 3 million, which is really cheap enough for a firehouse one in the inner sunset was just sold. Was it . I want to buy a streetcar. I cannot pay my rent. There were two of these for pumping water out of the ground. Murphy gave a lot of money for it. What decided the boundaries and the location of Golden Gate Park . It was a deal that they basically cut in 1868. The up side lands were up for grabs. It was u. S. Government land, San Francisco land, and then you had these squatters. These were rich men who decided maybe they could make some money. You put up a fence and you owned the land. It can to a compromise. Squatters get some. You have certain military things reserved, government. We will create a public park. Everyone donated a certain amount to create Golden Gate Park. They also created smaller parks. There were all part of the deal. A lot of people got moved closer to downtown as part of the deal. If you are out in the middle of nowhere land and had a couple of acres, they would trade you a better acres somewhere else. How was it decided to put it where it is . It was controversial. People thought they could not put a park there because it was all sand dunes. People were pushing for a large city park in other places. It was a political compromise. Between lincoln and fulton and the beach. Youre saying, why did they decide that exact plot . They brought someone from new york to come up with a park plan. They eventually made it a rectangle. They had the panhandle part. The panhandle was the same with as Golden Gate Park, but there was dealmaking going on between park commissioners and they decided they would buy the land and cut off part of the panhandle. The development of lincoln park is interesting. You can see the cemetery. On the map, it is a cemetery. What happened to that and all of the bodies . They decided around the turn of the century the land was too valuable to bury people. Where uss is now there were four cemeteries. They moved all of the cemeterys out cemeteries out. The heir did not want to move one of the places. There are two people two places where people are buried in the city. The other ones were moved out. The big scandal of lincoln park, someone wanted to build the legion of honor out there. She did and she got it done. They had to prepare the land, the golden gate cemetery, so the people they hired did not get rid of any of the bodies. They got rid of the headstones. They built a museum. When the renovated it in the 1990s and started digging ground, nothing but hundreds and hundreds of bodies. Skeletons. Skeletons. It was a big scandal. They created a mass grave and moved to the remains. There are pictures. They have thiese skeletons sticking out of the wall. It showed the relative worth. They stopped digging because they would keep finding bodies. They are still out there. There are bodies all over the place. They used to bury people in north beach. They would go up there and very bodies. There were removed from many of these cemeteries. There is a slogan that is anybody know . It is great to be alive. Beats the alternative. I was wondering if gary boulevard had always been a major thoroughfare. It used to have streetcars on it. They are thinking of bringing them back. The b line and the a line where there until the mid1950s. We are taking the street cars away, but bart will come out here and everything will be fine. Downtown, gary ave. When you get past it, it becomes gary boulevard. They wanted streets to be large, they should have vegetation and trees, they should be ornamental. Gary strieker was the main road from the 1850s. Gary street was the main road from the 18th of thes. It was planned as a major thoroughfare. It was a toll road originally. We make people pay to get on the road and we make them pay when they get to the clubhouse. It was a toll road. I think that does it for today. Thank you for coming and sharing your information and great knowledge. We wi hello, good morning everyone. Thanks again for your time and welcome to the first San Francisco first welfare exemption workshop. My name is holly and im a staff member at the Assessors Office and im excited to introduce you to todays leaders and presenters of the program. You will hear from two agencies today, so the San Francisco Assessors Office and the california state board of equalization, who will be guiding you through the qualifications and the application process for the welfare exemption property tax savings. Before we begin, i would like to share a quick housekeeping item. We will be filming, recording the first part of todays presentation, so we ask that you please just keep your questions until the second part of the program, which will be a one hour question and answer session across the hall following the presentation. So save your questions until the second part. Before we begin, i like to introduce you to the woman behind todays program. San francisco elected assessor carmen chu. The work of her office helps provide over 3 billion in revenue for local services in public education. Last year, her office granted over 16 billion in property tax exemptions, including welfare exemptions. The assessor is continuously committed to providing improving services to the public. Im really happy to introduce assessor carmen. [applause] good morning, how is everybody . Good . I am so excited to see all of you. I want to thank you for spending your morning here with us at the Assessors Office. My name is carmen, i serve as San Franciscos elected assessor. Some of you may have interacted with me when i served on the board of supervisors representing district 4, the sunset district. During that time we worked with many of the nonprofits that are currently here in this room. We had seen many of your directors, many of your constituents and many of you who have come to the board of supervisors to advocate and tell us of your good works, and we appreciate the good work you do. Its not easy to do the work that you do. Its not easy to retain the talent and the staff to do the work that you do and in particular doing it in San Francisco makes it harder. One of the things we hope to do is to make things easier by bringing this workshop together for you. For many of you, you may or may not know about what the Assessors Office does so i want to share with you how it is that we do our work, what you may know about our office is that were always associated and tied to money, right . So many people say when they see me, theyre like oh, the money lady. What is it and how exactly is it that we do that . Well, we do it by making sure we are capturing the correct amount of value for property taxes across San Francisco county. In San Francisco, we have over 200,000 parcels of property and each one of those has an assessed value that we used in order to capture property taxes. Currently we have seen almost a 30plus growth in our property taxes in the last three years alone. Add up the assessment values of all the property in San Francisco, it grew by over 30 in three years. A lot of that is due to the construction youre seeing and the new condos, the buildings, the warrior stadium, all of these Construction Properties that are coming online adding value to our city and creating revenue for us. In the last five to six years, we exceeded our revenue expectations by half a billion dollars. Many of you probably have heard that the state of california return roughly 545 million to San Francisco partially as a result of strong property tax growth. We understand in our office how important it is for us to do our job well so that the city has the resources to support not only our operations, but to partner with many of your organizations to provide the services we most need for our citizens and residents. With that said, what people often dont know about is in addition to doing the valuations on properties, we also administer our welfare exemption program. Thats why many of you have come today. We understand that the welfare exemption process sometimes is very complicated and even in this room, we have such a Diverse Group of organizations that have so many different types of missions, whether it is to support our youth or to create Affordable Housing or it is to provide food for our food pantries. We have so many different groups and each one of you has the potential to benefit from a welfare exemption, in particular if you own a property in San Francisco. So, what we really wanted to do is to make sure that you understood how it is that we run our processes, make sure you know all the deadlines that are coming and also we have invited to come today with us the state board of equalization, if i could ask them to raise their hand for just a moment. They are our partners at the state level who are part of the administration of the exemption process. We dont do it alone. We actually rely on them to do a portion of the work and we follow up with the secondary component. So we want to make sure you walk away with a clear understanding of how it is that we do our work, we want to make sure you put faces to the names that you might be interacting with because we want to make sure you know that you can just call us and we can help you work through the process. More than anything, we know that this goal, the goal of todays workshop is related to making sure that you are successful. We in San Francisco cant do the things we like to do, we cant help our most needy Community Members or folks that need a little bit of help without all of you. I want to say thank you on behalf of the city and county and we look forward to making sure to provide good information to you. With that, im going to turn it over to holly and i want to thank my staff in advance for their good work. Please know that in addition to this presentation that youre going to see today, we also have a separate area where you can ask oneonone questions as well. So please know that if you dont get your questions answered here or you have a burning question, its not the last opportunity you will have to interact with us. Thank you for coming and we hope you have an informative day today. Thank you. [applause] its an honor to introduce our next speaker, a San Francisco native and california elected office honorable malia cohen. She represents 10 million californiians in the second district, comprised of 23 amazing and diverse countries such as San Francisco county. As chair of the board of equalization, she is responsible for ensuring that the 70 billion property tax system works in a fair and efficient and effective manner. Please join me in welcoming malia cohen. [applause] thank you. Everyone good morning. I came in just from sacramento to be here to talk about my favorite subject, property taxes. I just want to thank all of you for being here this morning. I want to recognize carmen and her amazing staff for pulling this workshop together and just by judging by the number of folks that have come this morning for questions and answers, it sounds like theres definitely a need that we are filling. One of the things i have learned, ive been in this role for one year now, few people know about either what the assessor is doing or what the board of equalization is doing, until theyre in trouble or they need you. You know, its just like a typical fair weather friend. They dont know they need you until they need you. Im delighted to be able to present a few things to you. My name is malia cohen. I served eight years on the San Francisco board of supervisors. Just finished my first term as chair of the board of equalization. Its really a pleasure to be here, to be working with carmen and her team again. Carmen and i served on the board of supervisors together. So to be here to talk about and to support the Assessors Office, to discuss welfare exemption workshop is a privilege. I also want to highlight that the work performed by assessor carmen and the staff is truly important and very vital to our local government system. This work at the Assessors Office, they make sure that Nonprofit Organizations can continue to deliver their services at a Cost Effective manner. The way we participate in doing that Cost Effective manner is by ensuring that people do not have to pay property taxes and we know that San Francisco has a high property tax. Welfare exemptions are vital to ensure that properties used for charitable, religious, or hospital purposes are free from obligation to pay property taxes. The law clearly states that. So, its my pleasure to help start off this important meeting because the board of equalization oversees californias 70 billion property tax system. Thats the second highest tax revenue generator for local counties and local municipalities, the first being personal income tax which brings in 124 billion annually. Part of the boards responsibility in this process is to help facilitate organizational clearance certificates which establishes that your Nonprofit Organization qualifies for the welfare exemption from property taxes. The exemption is unique in that it is coadministered by the county assessor. There are two board equalization members here that will be speaking, i think tess and brian. Shoutout to you. So this is a two step process. First we review the organization, making sure youre eligible for the exemption, making sure youre following the rules an operating exclusively for charitable or a scientific purpose. The second step comes in by the county assessor. So later on today, you will have questions and we will have answers. We as the board of equalization specifically answer the question, is this specific property operated for religious, scientific, hospital, or charitable purpose. I can go on and on. There are some good actors and bad actors, like in most cases. Let me give you some fun facts to set the tone. So in 2019, San Francisco, office of economic and Workforce Development found there were over 6,600 Nonprofit Organizations operating right here in the city and county of San Francisco. 6,600. Thats quite a number. These numbers tell us a specific story. As of 2011, there are 282 evangelical churches, 93 main line protestant churches, 54 roman catholic, 27 uncharacterized churches, 17 orthodox churches, 28 other religious organizations, 56 buddhist temples, 17 synagogues, 5 hindu temples, 5 mosques, 1 shinto temple. So as you can see, each one of these religious organizations, if they meet the requirements would qualify for a welfare exemption. E. M. Im really giving you these numbers to ill strait that the welfare exemption is an essential part of maintaining californias Spiritual Health and our physical health and wellbeing when you think of hospitals and research institutions. Honestly im delighted to be here. This concludes my remarks. Its with great pride we kick off this years welfare exemption work shop. I hope you have a great day everyone. [applause] thank you. Thank you very much. Its my pleasure to introduce the panelists. We have derek, the manager of Public Service and exemption and nicole, director of Community Affairs. From the california state board of equalization, we have brian, senior specialist, property appraiser. Please give them a warm welcome. Thank you. [applause] good morning everyone, thank you so much for coming. We want to kick off this morning by once again welcoming everyone. My name is nicole. Im the director of Community Affairs for our elected Assessors Office. Were going to start with the basics for you tord. Just starting off with some learning objectives, what we hope you can take away from the road map to welfare exemption. Were going to take you through the filing process for the welfare exemption. Todays goal is to provide you a road map, step by step working with the b. O. E. And the Assessors Office here locally and derek will handle most of the technical pieces of that. We want to make sure to highlight for you key deadlines that you should have in your mind both for filing for your initial exemption, as well as maintaining year over year. Finally we want to give you a sense of what to expect from our office, whether its a piece of mail or a deadline coming up. We want to make sure you come away with a good sense of what you will be receiving from us and that you know very well where you can find all of us if you need help along the way. My first slide here was to introduce at a high level the county assessors function and we will go through the high level definition of what the welfare exception is. Chair cohen and assessor chu have done a lot of the work to introduce this. California has 58 counties. So each one of these counties has an elected assessor. The work that we do, although its a county level function, its directed in a lot of ways at the state level. First off we follow the state revenue and taxation code. Its the same across every county here in california. Second, we share the same standards and oversight body. This is the board of equalizati equalization. Its just to make sure were standardized across the state. Here locally, we generate 3. 3 billion in property tax revenue for our city on an annual basis. As the assessor mentioned, this goes towards local services and public education. Our property tax revenue is the single largest source of funding every year. Just to reiterate, we have three Core Functions on what the office does. We are the assessor so the vast majority of the staff Value Property for each years property taxes. Were also the recorder for our county, which means we are the official Record Keeper for San Francisco county. We record over 400 different document types and we do hundreds of thousands of these per year. Finally, the function that everyone is interested in today, we grant exemptions. So as we mentioned, we have a small but mighty team that does this work each year. Last year, they did the work to grant 16 billi 16 billion in ee and they go towards nonprofits, churches, schools, veterans, and many overs who need this assistance with their property taxes. So now ill take you through the actual formula for generating property taxes each year. So, the generation of property taxes on an annual basis is actually a partnership. So its a string of functions that are performed by multiple county departments city and county departments here in San Francisco. It all starts in our office, the Assessors Office. Our job is to determine the assessed value of all taxable property, within the city and county. From there, we multiply the value by the tax rate. That tax rate is 1 across the state but here in San Francisco, its usually a little bit over 1 . That amount will fluctuate year to year, depending on the level of the citys bonded indebtedness. So once we have assessed value times tax rate, there are Additional Special assessment fees and leans that are added on to your bill. With those, they come from a variety of different sources and agencies. These actually do not have to do with your taxes for your property. They are voter approved measures that are tacked on to the bill in addition to the property taxes and they put it there as a convenient means of all that funding on one go, in one bill, instead of sending multiple bills. Once we have all of this information, all of this is transmitted to the treasurer or Tax Collectors Office and their role on an annual basis is to calculate the bill, to send that bill out to the taxpayers and then to collect the revenue. We do this process on an annual basis. The following year, we start the whole thing again. Oh, today for the purposes of exemption, well be focusing on the majority of our time on the work of our office and how exemptions go hand in hand with the assessed value. Thank you nicole for that introduction and overview. My name is derek and i oversee the exemption unit here in the office of the assessor recorder. So i want to take this time to answer this next question. What is the welfare exemption . It provides a partial or full reduction in the taxable assessed value which will reduce the amount of property taxes you pay for real and personal property that is owned and operated exclusively to a Nonprofit Organization. Now, lets take another look at this equation. This section right here is where the exemption is applied to the land and improvements for Real Property and interest. This is also the spot where the exemption is applied to business personal property items like machinery, equipment, fixtures and leasehold improvements. Before we get into defining the welfare exemption, i want to talk you through the different property types we assess here as an office. There are three buckets that we think of when we think of different property types in our office. The first one is probably what most people think of when they think of property. This is called Real Property. This represents the land here in San Francisco county. The improvements or the structures and buildings that are built upon that land. Our second bucket is called business personal property. An easy way to think about this is that b. P. P. Is everything inside of that Real Property. For you its nonprofits, that would be your desks, your computers, your supplies and your fixtures. Officially the definition that we say here in the office is business personal property includes any tangible items like machinery, equipment, fixtures, and leasehold improvements held or used in connection with a trade or a business. All right, the final bucket that we think about when were assessing property is called posse possessery interest. So thats when we use Government Property for a private purpose. I want to unpack that a little bit. Its the least familiar of the property types. As a state, california grants an exemption for Government Property, which is used for a governmental purpose. In many cases, and in some of the cases of your own nonprofits, it can be a landlord. Their tenant could be using that property for a private purpose. Ill give you an example of right here in this building. Were in a public library, a government building, but just outside this theater is a cafe that subleases a space. With that a cafe, they are using it for their own private purpose. We assess it and we would consider it taxable. That is what possess ri interest is. Okay, now lets take a look and see how the exemption is handled a Real Property assessment. So imagine this, you are a Charitable Organization and you now have a valid organizational clearance certificate from the state board of equalization. You should qualify for the welfare exemption if youre the sole owner and operator of that building. Do you share that space with other nonprofits or for profit businesses . You may be qualified for the exemption based on the frequency of use by the other tenant. Are you engaging in any other activities this year, new improvements or construction from are you generating revenue from another fundraising event . Depending where you are, you may be qualified during the construction phase and for your revenue that you generate under unrelated tax income during the year. This does not disqualify for receiving the welfare exemption for this year. Now, same question and scenario, but now were going to look at how the exemption is handled under a business personal Property Assessment. Similar to Real Property, you should qualify if you are the sole user of the business personal property. Do you own multiple Business Property accounts . If the value of all your personal business accounts are less than 4,000, then you should be receiving a low value exemption from our office. If your value increases and exceeds 4,000, no worries, just file your welfare exemption if youre using your personal property for an exempted purpose. Lastly, the division will assess other users on the personal property and it is because of this your welfare exemption will not extend to the other users of the personal property. All right. So now lets take a look at possess ri interest. Just remember, possessory interest is Government Property used for a private purpose. You should qualify if youre the sole user of that space. Same question applies to our possessory nonprofit groups. Are you engaging in other activities this year . Are you generating extra revenue . Another fundraising event . Always keep in mind depending where you are with your renovation project, you may qualify in the construction phase and the business income you generate this year does not disqualify you from receiving the welfare exemption. Just like business personal property, other organizations leasing the space from the city . No worry, the possessory unit will receive its own separate assessment and its because of this the welfare exemption will not extend to the other users. So im going to start the next section of the presentation. Were going to talk you about how to apply for a welfare exemption. Chair cohen did a great job of summarizing this process, but i want to take it through visually here on a slide so you can see that there are two agencies which Work Together, hand in hand to grant the welfare exemption. We start at the state level with the california state board of equalization. As chair cohen mentioned, what the state is very keen to understand is whether or not you as an organization are eligible to receive a welfare exemption. The way that you work with the state is by applying for what is called an organizational clearance certificate or in some cases a supplemental clearance certificate. So once you started your work with the state, you will also work with us here locally at the county level. So you work with the Assessors Office. Now were looking for something slightly different than the state, than what we are focused on. Were focused on whether or not the use of your property is an eligible use for receiving an exemption. The way that you work with us here at the Assessors Office is by filing something that we call a first filing. One very Important Note before we get into the details on both the o. C. C. And the first filing is that your organization may not be approved for a first filing until you have approved you have been approved for your o. C. C. At the state level. Now im going to pass it over to our colleague with the b. O. E. , brian to talk you through the process for an o. C. C. Good morning, so im just going to briefly talk about some of the elements of an organizational clearance certificate or o. C. C. There are a number of requirements. If theres one thing you should take away from this, its that you should file for it. Most nonprofits do qualify for this. The issue is usually theyre just not aware of it, which is the purpose of todays conference. So, the welfare exemption is called the welfare exemption because its for Nonprofit Organizations that provide for the welfare of the community. More specifically, this is one of those requirements. It means theyre organized and operated for qualifying purposes, which according to revenue and tax services 214, means for charitable or science purposes. Okay, so nicole was mentioning a first filing form with the county Assessors Office with the state board of equalization. We have our own versions of forms. Many have filed for corporations and associations. If there are any l. L. C. S here meant to own property, that will be form b. O. E. Number two, this exemption are only for nonprofits that are owned and operated qualifying purposes. L. L. C. S qualify if theyre set up to hold title 2 property in a qualified matter. Low Income Housing also qualifies but thats complicated and we dont have time to talk about it up here but well be able to take questions after this. So just very briefly some tips when you apply. Most of our filings are incomplete simply because they dont have a complete claim packet. So just some tips on that. Include a copy of articles incorporation, all amendments, all of this is on the forms themselves and theres a checklist that goes along with it to help you. Just reiterating that. A copy of your tax and status letter under the i. R. S. , under code section 702b, copy of financial statements. If the claim form says audited or certified, if you have those, thats great. Otherwise, standard Balance Sheets will work. If youre seeking one for 2017, we want one year prior to that so thats 20162017, et cetera. So please make sure you describe the primary purpose of your organization and what you do. We are definitely going to check out your website. If you write see website. Its helpful for us to know what the purpose of your organization is and how you accomplish that through your activities. Lastly, theres some specific language requirements that the code requires most organizations have to amend their articles to meet these requirements. Its not a huge deal and it boils down to two sentences, just making you aware that it exists. For l. L. C. S, its similar, but there are nine, basically nine sentences, nine clauses they have to have. One the o. C. C. Is granted, thats it. Youre good with us. Unless we tell you its revoked or we needed a decisi additio documentation, it remains valid from you dont have to file with us every year like you have to do with the county. It will last 4 to 6 weeks is our processing time right now. So if there is a second thing you can take away from today, file sooner rather than later because it takes a while. All right, so now going back to the local level with the county, as i mentioned, your next step will be to file your first filing with the Assessors Office here. That form number, in case youre occurrence is form 267. Lets talk in more particulars about that. Theres three steps that you will under take. So the first one is to fill out the form itself. We ask that folks fill out the form completely and fill out a new form for every new property for which youre applying for an exemption. After that, you will wait till you hear there from our office and we will reach out to schedule an inspection. What were keen to learn from you is whether these activities occurring on the property is an eligible use. Its helpful for our team to come out to your site, meet you, and see how it is that you are using the property. The final step is to wait for a letter from our office. This letter is called a 267f, thats the formal name for it. Its really a letter with findings that will let you know the outcome of your application. It state it is level of the exemption upon review of your application combined with your inspection. Derek will take you through the particulars now. Thank you. Now im going to go over our first filing application for a welfare exemption but before we get started, i know this is small and difficult to read. If you want to follow along with us, we have provided sample copies of the form 267 in your packet. I will begin. So i want to now go over some common questions we hear daily from our nonprofits that are filing a welfare claim in our office for the first time. For this slide and the next few slides, lets pretend the Nonprofit Organization is up and running and now we have a valid organizational clearance certificate issued by the state board of equalization. This highlighted section is where you would write your o. C. C. Number that is issued by the board of equalization. If youre still in the process of applying for an o. C. C. , just let us know. Remember, we can continue the op occasion process with your organization, but we will not be able to approve the exemption until you have a valid o. C. C. Now lets move on. Dereks nonprofit purchased a new building on january 5th, but dereks nonprofit started providing services to the community today. Todays date is what you would put on this line. This date represents the date that the exempt activity began. Were looking for your activity on the property. This can be direct services to the public or it can be the start of your new construction project. Therefore you would either list the date you opened your doors or the date you broke ground on the construction site. What property types should dereks nonprofit apply for the exemption . If dereks charitable nonprofit is the sole property, you should check all the property that applies. This is the land and improvement before business personal property or if youre operating on taxable possessory interest. So what should i do the im the owner and operator of the Real Property but im sharing the space with another nonprofit . This highlighted section is where you will identify any other users of your property. Please note, by checking yes to this question, you will be instructed to complete a supplemental form boe form 267o and this is used by our office to determine if the other occupants are covered under the welfare exemption. Now that we know about the other users, lets move on to the other uses of the property. This highlighted section is completed to provide more information about your nonprofits uses of the property. For each use, it is very important to look out for the Supplemental Information and or forms that are needed when you check yes to a question. For example, lets go back to dereks nonprofit. We provide low Income Housing under question 5, letter c. I would check yes and again i will be instructed to provide more information about the low Income Housing portion of my property. By doing this, i would complete form 267l and this form is used by our office to determine the total number of low Income Housing units covered under the welfare exemption. Financial statements in this highlighted section is required for all first filing applications. Remember to attach a copy of your balancing sheet and for any reason this is not available at the time you file your welfare exemption claim, make a note and lets us know when it will be available for you to submit. After youre done. You should not forget the most important section of the application. It is certification. Dont forget to sign and date the form before you submit. The application is not complete until the section is filled out. In general, the deadline to submit all of this information to our office is february 15. Thats the date you should always remember. February 15. Why is the february 15th date important . Well, its important for a reason and that reason is if you do not renew your welfare exemption on time you can lose your exemption and you will receive a property tack bi ta bill. Thats why its very important to remember that date. Now were going to take you through the process of renewing on an annual basis. I think its important for everyone to have a basic understanding of what our annual timeline looks like as the Assessors Office. Im going to take you through some key dates and let you know what to expect at different intervals throughout the year from the city. So the first date, actually, january 1st, we start the year with a date we internally call lean date. So for any type of property that you may have, whether its Real Property, business, personal, property or possessory interest, we will look at the assessed value of that property, as of lean date january 1st, and that is what we will base the Property Taxation upon. Then we just heard about this next date, very important for all of you. This is february 15th, this is the exemption deadline. You can see the rational behind the timing there. You will let us know that you are claiming for an exemption by february 15th relative to the assessed value of the lean date of that same year, january 1st. Next we have june 30th, which in our office we call roll close. The time between february 15th and june 30th is our processing time. So to give you a sense, our Exemptions Team is working on an average of 3,500 claims during this time. So once we done all that work, we hit june 30th. This is the date which the Assessors Office across the state close their books with a completed Property Assessment roll for the entire county and thats the roll we furnish to the Tax Collectors Office for the Property Taxation for the year. So now from here the process bifurcates and it depends on the property type you have that will direct what it is that you receive from us. So ill go through them one at a time. I want to start with Real Property. So if you are an owner of Real Property, what you can expect is in july, you will receive a notice of assessed value from our office. So this is a mailing. You may recognize year after year, this is not a bill. They will tell you two things, it will have the assessed value for the property for that year, and it will also have the level of the exception that you will be receiving that year. So its important that you check your n. A. B. To make sure you are receiving the level of exception you were anticipating for the year. Next you receive the tax bill in october from the treasurer Tax Collectors Office. That bill is due in two installments, the first on december 10 and the second on the following april 10. So this is what you would anticipate for Real Property. So for business personal property and possessory interest, its a little different. The timeline for receiving the notice, the bill, and having the bill due is shortened. So with this timeline, you can our normal hours of operation. 8 00 a. M. Too 5 00 p. M. Now when you submit your sorry. Now when you submit your annual claim, please use your annual claim form, which is the 267a and use this form to note any changes to your organization for this year. Now you will note any changes by february 15th and you will let us know that you are still requesting an exemption and you can note any additional changes. These changes can be for example an increase in your Affordable Housing units, a use of vacant space or a tenant is moving out of your location. This can be changes to your organizational structure, changes to your articles of incorporation or bylaws, or you would also use this form to report any new construction in progress. So if at any point you have moved to a new location, you would report that on your 267a, letting us know youre no longer occupying that space and fill out a first filing application to report the new location where youre operating. Sorry. Thanks. So, remember the notice of assessed value is mailed annually in july and this is where youre going to find your propertys assessed value. The property assessed value is used to determine the property taxes for the upcoming year. Lastly for our business personal property accounts, dont forget to file your annual b. P. P. Statement in april and this is the form 571l. I should say, sorry we should have said this at the top, but well be happy to send out this presentation to everyone. Dont worry, youll receive a copy of all these details. All right, so this is a question that our office gets on a regular basis, which is ive done my first filing, ive done my o. C. C. , i maintained on an annual basis, so why after all that do i still receive a property tax bill . To answer that question, i want to draw your attention back to this formula which we discussed at the top of the presentation. So, as we mentioned, we are talking about assessed value and it applies to that assessed value. So what that looks like in regards to this formula is that it will exempt your assessed value and remove the tax rate. The welfare exemption does not apply to the Additional Special assessments fees and leans on the bill. So a reminder from that previous slide, these are voter approved measures that are essentially added to the bill as a convenient method for collection, but theyre not relative to your assessed value. When you do receive the bill, its these special assessments fees and leans is what youre being charged for on an annual basis. All right. Ill take you through a couple of images of the bill itself so you know what youre looking at when you receive your bill. So first off, these line items that are highlighted are where you will find your special assessment fees and leans. Those are the voter approved measures that youre still charged for regardless of whether or not you have been approved for your welfare exemption. These are administered by a variety of different agencies. Theyre not administered by the Assessors Office or by the state board of equalization. If you have questions about each of these charges, the bill does include a phone number, which you can call to understand more specifics on each of the things youre being billed for and if there are potential savings that you may be eligible for. While we have an image of the bill up, i also want to share where you would look if you were looking to make sure you received your welfare exemption. So right on this line here where it says less other exemption, that is where you should be seeing your welfare exemption applied to your bill. So, on this sample bill here, apologies that its small, but this individual organization is not receiving a welfare exemption because that line is blank. Now i would like to take this time to share some best practices when youre filing your welfare exemption. So the first one, advice on filing. Submit on time or early before february 15th and you can send your welfare exemption directly to us via email. This can be your first filing our your renewal, directly to you are inbox at asrexcepti asrexceptionunit sfgov. Org. Dont wait for the bill. If youre filing the first claim with the office, this will be the findings sheet. If its renewal, you will see this on your notice of assessed value sent in july. Youll look at that exception exemption line. You can visit our website 24hours a day, 365, where you will find forms. Exemption information, property info and recorded documents will be on our web page. At any point you want to speak to a specialist, you can give us a call at 4155545596 or you can come to city hall and visit our main Office Located in room 190. Thank you, lets give our presenters a warm round of applause. [applause] great. So this concludes the first part of our program. We will be starting our second part with the question and answer session across the hall in the latino room good morning were going to start with the 3 oclock presentation taj mahal of the accessary dwelling unit adu in unit legalization as you may know San Francisco has a housing crisis and little city has worked hard to updated our homes eagles or earrings we want to introduce marseille from the San Francisco Planning Department jimmy from dbi and betty lee from dbi thank you. Thank you can you hear me . No yes. Okay great im marseille he manage the flex team that is known as sprout if youre familiar that the planning the accessary dwellings or adu and dwelling unit legalization permits at current planning i also in the preservation technical specialist and interviewing the application my name is jimmy chang with the bon appetit and work and the Technical Service department if youre sending emails or phone call theyll be directed to me. Hi, im betty lee if the department of building inspection permit technician and staff at the first floor window number 8 at the current if you have questions about the legalization or the other programs great to thank for coming out and learning more about adu and is zoning legalization ill kickoff with the planning overall i can we can see a show of hands of how many people wish to speak. How many people are Property Owner or Property Owner and other special of hands with the engineers of people on the technical side thank you that lets us know how to focus a little bit. Okay. So lets talk about the adu program accessary dwelling units i want to let you know about two key pieces of information that my presentation from planning will be dense and technical ill try to take other key pieces for us and the San Francisco Planning Department hosts a website page sf planning accessary dwelling unit that hosts a lot of information a video about accessary dwelling units as well as frequently asked questions the ordinance language and helpful handbook on accessary dwelling units so this is will be useful after have a more questions go look at the web page in addition reis an email address. Com adu. Com send eels following the workshop or think how to add an audience or several adus to your property important so first kickoff where adus can be added first we want to give a higher level piece of information and let you know that the adu program has some amended legislation just this week so we have some pretty major changes that came into effect for singlefamily homes and the adu program so this is exciting and it really allows for singlefamily homes that dont require any waivers from the planning code to really increase their ability to add an accessary dwelling units to their property ill go into a lot more details in further slides want to mock you aware in case youre working with saudis if youve been working with the program previously that program has not changed if youre working with multi unit buildings or singlefamily homes that require the waiver there no changes to that component of program so it sounds like it is technical but talk about some of the distinctions so just to give you highlights adus are permitted everywhere where residentials are permitted to assist are commissioner president moran how an adu to be added to the property in the Planning Department website pam for accessary dwelling units there is a great hand book to downed load to show you where an adu might be placed on the property that singlefamily home a knowing about using think existing legal accessory dwelling unit on the property the handbook is available at the pdf is it free look at that want to talk about the procedure with the San Francisco Planning Department which incorporates the department of building inspection it let you know the adus 123450r79 would program or process you are utilityizing not overthecounter theyre in take theyre routed to my team the flex team so we try to move as quickly as possible there are a lot first step will have with dbi a screening form you fill that out they determine your eligibility for the program after review is complete the permit is route to dbi and fire their, their final checks for those of i want to give you two pieces of information as you perfectly were adding 7 or more we have an assessment your no longer requiring that first step for my adus in a project and also, if you have a perplex project that including an adu or several adus we now updated the projects with the request forms that is available on the San Francisco Planning Department and a special check box will be routed to the flex team and a specialized planner to provide input it is available for a fee but a specialized and technical type thing with the application so once your permit gets to planning ill can you talk about that what well be reviewing your permit for the Program Highlights are as follows one, well be looking at the adu and whether it is being proposed within the existing build out envelope unless under the new program a singlefamily homes and doesnt need a waiver and second well be reviewing for the adu that is not taking space from an existing dwelling unit unless under the new components of the program it is a singlefamily home and didnt require waivers 3 well be looking at the number of adus that are proposed that will vary and again, ill go into more details on the next slide number 4, is the adu is being proposed in a building had that as rentcontrolled units restrictions er with the rent ordinance and fall under those controls and 5 the well review for components that can be waived under the planning code that are several the ada Program Allows for the Zoning Administrator to waive and then once all our review is finalized routed back to dbi and theyll review their review. Building and fire and other components in addition, i wanted to mention there are ejection controls related to the implementations of adu on a property the program cant be useded on buildings with onsite and offsite eviction or other nofault evictions in 10 years prior to the applications lets talk about the expansion for adus again, i mentions in the beginning there are basically 2 programs for the adus at this time due to the new program implemented that week for misrepresent unit buildings and singlefamily homes that require waivers basically how the fireman has existed in september of 2016 it is the same expansion so the dwelling units can the building is under going seismically work can be raised up to 3 feet to allow the eninsertion of think adu has to be in place 3 years before filling of the adu a second area with the singlefamily homes that requires waves to add the adu allows for some is expansion minor expansion within the envelope as it existed in 3 years from filling of the permit as shown on the screen those areas are under a room under a deck and an in fill into lightwells all of these areas require neighborhood notification under planning code section 311 and 312 those components that work in the program have not changed and the next slide talk about the changes that are secured effective june ph11 that requir administration waivers now the ability to add afternoon adu created into living areas so the adu can be created from the dwelling unit the definition of existing living area that is in the planning code section until 11 00 p. M. I will see you then. Thank you, very much. Now lets shift to the dwelling Unit Legalization Program again, you can email the cpuc at sfgovtv. Org address and ill field this program as well so the dwelling Unit Legalization Program has been in effect since 2014 interest have not been phases on the program the general highlights this is a voluntary program there is a limit to the number of dwelling units that can be legal shusz one per lot in a city one unit per lot and rent controls if they apply to the building and the units remains as a rental no discussion didnt apply to those units so a little bit about the procedures the legalization zoning permit is not overthecounter it is an intact and requires that you start at the screening progress with dbi they determine our eligibility and again think intact per planning after we finish our review it is routed to dbi for their review similar to the adu program there are components of the planning code that can be waived although we dont require that a waiver is attached to the project the density and parking and cleanpowersf rear yard and exposure can be waived and other projects and that concludes any presentation im going to turn it over to jimmy from dbi that will take over on some of the building requirements. Hi jimmy which you think dbi so, now youve gotten to your permits for a from the Planning Department ill go over some of the highlights Building Department highlights on what we like to see was required for the adu lets first finks first, the minimum ceiling height for living room and dining room dont use the california residential 0 code that allows 7 foot it is only allowed in kitchens and laundry rooms etc. A sloping floor or Something Like that ask your Design Professional to locate the bathrooms and laundry rooms you have 7 foot and were you do have them to put the bedrooms and meter rooms or whatever be creative secondly, like to say that Natural Light and ventilation is required for more rooms mechanical and go artificial light is in kitchens and media rooms if you have a room that is landlocked with no rooms that can be a home office make sure you dont put no bedrooms you know you should be fine with that talk what the mechanical department how many changes and how much light you need next slide, please not all rooms can be a bedroom bedroom requires an emergency escape window that in other parts of state requires a 50 foot rear yard minimum or should lead to the street in San Francisco we have an information sheet e go 4 for escape rescue windows lead to 25 feet half the distance that help helps and the next thing the walls separating the dwelling unit from each other should be the walls separating the dwelling unit showing should be one hour rated both next when so next thing when you add aot another wednesday, march 24, 2017, when you legalize or add a dwelling unit make sure the building doesnt exceed the tables 504. 4 a lot of time a contractor have a sloped lot what the lowest level is 17 feet and then you think if i add a floor here he can add another unit and you know everything im going to be rich but a lot of time this will create a fifth or fourth floor building and for table 504 portfolio 4 you may not be able to do that keep in mind and next thing i see this a lot of time when people add adus to theyre building they take up the corridor hallway from the backyard to the front as part of the new adu space that reduces the number of exits from the upper unit so the designers should be cautious where you take that space from a building sprinkler requirement i guess best thing to review sf 05 and partially sprinkler your building thats the best advise if that work for you shouldnt have a problem but be prepared to partially sprinkler your building inspection we offer a preplace of entertainment meeting with the Planning Department and the Fire Department it is strongly suggested for safety items that may not meet the letter of the code but the spirit of the code so our dine professionals should look at that if there needs to be a creative solution for your adu next slide so things to consider dbi suspends a notice of violation when the owner pursues legalization dont feel that were going to punish you if you dont legalize in time if you legalize you are inlaw unit well suspend that so fines dont accrues and things like that that is a load off homeowners back and stuff like that next is legalized dwelling unit if our legalizing a dwelling unit shouldnt take up a common area by other tenants and reduce the services from other tenants and sometimes, we see the storage area from the previous tenant above is taken over by the new adu and they get in trouble with the rent board or the attorneys and stuff like that contacted the rent board and the attorneys maybe you come into agreement with the tenants above but that is rent board thing and attorney thing not a dbi thing i like to mention that and next is when all sordz and a new adu legalized adu or dwelling unit the property will be reassessed afterwards i guess property taxes they might help you out one thing i heard if stephanie from the Planning Department if our legalizing a unit the mroumg system needs to be exposed and the walls need to be opened up when the in law or illegal unit was put in next slide, please another thing to consider is when changing from a 2 unit to a 3 unit building fall under the jurisdiction of Housing Department as well as the Fire Department that may need annual housing inspection and pefshg heirs inspection by the Fire Department keep in mind if you have a 2 unit building your jumping into a big league a that building unit now to 4 is not a big deal if you legalized the dwelling unit that will be difficult to remove to legalized dwelling unit because were in a housing crunch we dont want to loss units whether small or big keep in mind for the long term lastly we always hear when you got a new address you get it after the permit is finished after you legalize the dwelling unit or did a dwelling unit thats when you apply for a new street address those are some of things when the planning is approved or adu or inlaw unit. Thank you this is a fairly highly technical presentation we kept it short to allow you guys to ask as many questions as you want ill ask the first question if you council come in with our zion specialist how long from the beginning to the end. Thank you for the question jerry so what i am hearing from the professionals in the field is 6 to 8 months. If theres my professionals in the audience want to add to that im open to hearing other information. To add to my response what im hearing from the professional 6 to 5 months from permit filing to issuance through the entire process yes. Yes. 95 months from permit filing to issuance through the entire process yes. Yes. Months from permit filing to issuance through the entire process yes. Yes. Were working on methods o stymie. This is closely related to the seismic ive not heard of seismic is there no requirements for any kind of seismic what point is the seismic considered. This is under the foot of building existing and seismic didnt become an issue i guess usually. Not considered certificate of occupancy and for two it is a change of occupancy didnt add more than one hundred people if you change of occupancy. If you elevate the building is that considered an additional. May implication if you raise the building the building get taller and, you know, so i dont you know we may is ask for a seismic update but if youre not raising the building the building rates doesnt change you can add our building partitioned. Your answer you may ask what kind of rule is that you asked for a seismic review even a seismic review with the existing conditions. Ill say not in the brad to require a seismic upgrade. Thats the didnt answer my question when it begin was my southern im a construction algeria were adding residential units in building highly vulnerable to earth earthquakes. Thank you for an excellent presentation im interested in particular what the neighborhood like Westwood Park and sfansz there are hoas in place that prohibit adus and yet clerl in the city map west westwood is included can you comment in a homeowner applies to the city theyre in the process and approved what effectively will happen to the process where basically the hoas are in conflict with the city mandates legislation. Thanks for the question the an interesting question and the city did not you know the easy answer is that the city didnt see enforce the private cc rs that the hoas have finding with their ownership so that maybe a matter for the homeowners and the Homeowners Association to gave me private attorneys to discuss that matter the Planning Department and the city we are in charge of regulating plan use in the planning code and the regulations. Thank you uhhuh. Thank you for the opportunities presentation today so my question you mentioned if you add an adu that that will trigger a recliner assessment of Property Value for that property so i dont know if this question is directed to our department but does that mean when it is reassessed are they going by the in addition to what the value created by the adu but for the existing property itself okay. So i guess the best way to explain it i bought any property in 1980 i paid the price of home back then if we reassess it raise that to current value is that what do you mean. The best answer by the Advisors Office they dont land and buildings separate but the land is you wanted a little bit. Thats a big deal. If you bought it in 1980 yes, it is. Before you leave do we have a representative from the Advisors Office there is a representative from the Assessors Office that will more accurately respond although i think that jimmy gave a good answer. Hi, i have a couple of questions for both of you starting left to right with marseille if were in a 311 and the dr the neighbors dont want us to add a unit does the adu trump the neighborhoods dmrament or is that like you are Budget Committee hypothetical to the neighbors. Thats correct for the question so the the discretionary review process that is inherent to the neighborhood notification process in section 311 and 12 it is a stand so if the singlefamily home that didnt require a waves has proposed an expansion that requires a notice process it is runs there the course and the Planning Commission has discretion over a permit as the members of the public have filed a dr or discretionary review have requested. So any room for to the adu or just selfdepends on. Unfortunately, i cant speak on behalf of the Planning Commission im staffed to the Planning Commission. I get it. I will is that we are in housing crisis our goal to produce housing but i cannot speak forever for the Planning Commission. At the then for jimmy for a fire question two unit building and commissioners, that places you under president reports and announcements from an rh2 to rh3 do the fire setbacks on the existing structure do you have to meet that or becoming existing nonconforming like your window and door options percentages is change and also like if you have a fourth floor and adding a third floor do i have to have a means of negatives from the fourth floor because it is now rh2. Excellent question and everybody is asking that question typically it is a case by case and we will ask you had a preapplication meeting to nail it down because before you start spending all the money and drawing it up at least get something in writing from the Planning Department a preapplication meeting is in ord. The question is if converting a two unit into a 3 unit building is raises the risk category up and window opening allowances are reduced because it is a higher category building and setbacks of stairs and stuff like that do they have to be separate move if hes converting from a 2 to a 3 unit and the new exit requirements apply it is a case by case for each building and should be reviewed under a preapplication with the dbi and planning and fire and staff. Can i add into my answer in section 311 we were reviewing we will be reviewing expansion under the residential Design Guidelines so that will still be a component for adding an adu all projects will be reviewed from the guidelines and policies and code so that should be noted for none adding an adu there is still the existing guidelines youll have to conform to. Last question for jimmy lets say were undergo a legalization process we have plumbing inspections and other inspections he went through is it up to these guys in the fields to see what they want to see possibly hidden utility lines in the walls. Yeah. Theyre called to see where they want to expose you know walls to show the plumbing it varies inspector to inspector so until their satisfied you can talk with them and dont like their answer you can talk with their supervisor to see if this is required all locations are 7 out of 10 or talk with their supervisors if you dont agree with the field supervisors call. Doesnt make sense to strip the wall that is i do not like but not necessary they want to see like a couple of square feet feet or something. Typically you dont have 5 bathrooms it is usually one or two not all walls. Exactly so you know adus are small in law are maul is bathroom wall a common wall between the bathroom and kitchen you know so within the scope it is not going to be that much of a problem. Okay. Thank you not a problem. We have a representative from the retirement board please introduce yourselves im San Francisco rent board and as you mentioned if the adu does require waivers of certain permits than built into the agreement will be potentially an agreement to have the adu subject to the rent ordinance and also the Planning Department is part of a review process will be checking in on the record to the rent board keeps in terms of history of evictions any questions related to either of those aspects im ill be happy to answer any questions you may have. And the last betty lee that works with dbi can you tell us what you spent the large project year doing and how you made the process efficient. We have a considerate at dbi on the first floor window number 8 walk in any time and we will answer our questions and thats where youll start with screening forms to accept the screening form and tell you where to go for a permit and i also want to mention that something for the legal shin program that is important that if youre legalizing a units and the only purpose have a plan review fee waiver were waving city planning and dbi fees so part of our fees will be reduced if youre legalizing our unit for which youll pay for the administrative fees you know fire planned check fees and such. Great very informative we have booths right down this wal clapping. good afternoon were ready to start our 5 oclock Safety Education two distinguished gentlemen with us first a fire inspector fernando and have from dbi jan inspector please start. Okay. Thank you gary my name is james the acting chief Housing Inspector at the dbi just to let you, you know youve been in the department for 20 years been a district inspector for 15 years in the bayview, chinatown, north beach, excelsior and visitacion valley, western edition and ingleside and sunset i created a Community Outreach program that helps to educate left hand and tenants to bring cooperation and communication into improving habit ability and improving fire safety i participated in the fire safety that task force with the board of supervisors and im sitting in for chief Housing Inspector rosemary bosque, chief Housing Inspector. Im a fire spectator with the San Francisco Police Department and have over 25 years and ill talk about fire safeties Smoke Detectors and home escape planning and calling 911 there will be a lot of time at the end for answering questions and stick well stick around and were going to keep on going right through this. Right. Right. So go. Right. So the next slide is the fire safety workshop agenda well talk talk about what you should know about residential fires which are traumatic events which destroy life and livelihood i myself have survived a fire in my 20s. Talk about that last night and discuss the general fires statistics the San Francisco Housing Authority characteristic and vulnerability and preservation and awareness with the port in San Francisco because of the older Housing Authority Housing Stock made out of wood is extreme vulnerable to fire having a consciousness of fire safety is really important we are going to talk about Apartment Building fire Safety Inspection and suspension and egress and maintenance what we in the city and talk about what you can do for fire preparedness for apartment and common areas of apartment adjacent properties which is a huge issue in my experience to try to improve everybodys fire safety consciousness and awareness that makes people safe next one so the roles of department we have a Fire Department that enforces the sf fire code Fire Department has a staff of 15 hundred strong brave firefighters that put their bodies on the line for fire interpretation in difficult circumstances and frier preservation and fire code conformity the department of building inspection has a housing code were exorcising a minimum level of habit ability and 9 percent of all housing code revisions are related to fire. We brought a video it shows you how quickly a fire can spread when our watching this keep in mind that thirty to 40 years ago furnishing burned slower made of wood and cotton and wool and they didnt burn as fast with the materials theyre made out of today, today we have mustache made out of fathom and synthetics they burn quicker youll see youll see a clock on the bottom of screen timing the fire time it for yourself the Smoke Detector takes two minutes to go off before and at that time two minutes in the room is almost flashing over within 2 1 2 minutes it is flash offer has occurred from the time the Smoke Detectors goes over off to a flashover you dont have much time to get out well talk about the home escape with planning and smoke alarms why theyre so important lets watch this. Okay. This is again as big youll attempt to put out with a fire extinguisher. This is too big for a fisht you want to stay to a basket sized fire and call 911 first and keep our back to the exit the smoke alarm is outside of living room into the hallway so a lot of smoke if room the smoke alarm has not gone off yet okay. Now it is going off the smoker alarm is going off in the hall up near the ceiling about 1000 degrees and that heat is radiating down pretty soon see that recliner the recliner will start smoking and will ignite by itself the fire is on the do the of the room but the chair will light up because of heat the smoker alarm went on two minutes now two minutes and the room has flashed over when the smoke alarm goes off you dont have much time okay back in 2013 there were 98 thousand structural fires and three hundred and 25 civilian deaths 3 nine hundred civilian injuries one . 6 billion in Property Damage in 2013 in 19 the statistics were worse one and 34 thousand structural fires with 1000 plus civilian deaths and civilian injuries and the same amount of Property Damage the deaths in injuries were a lot higher in 1980 thats because were Getting Better at preventing fires there is some additional statistics here as you can see from 19 to 2013 there has been a 47 percent in reduction in civilian deaths and 38 percent reductions in civilian injuries smoking has been a major cause of fires for years 32 percent of leading fire related deaths were caused by smoking and thats statistic includes smoking materials so the match that was used to light occupy the cigarette and thrown in the waste can and electrical is a cause of fire 3 out of 5 deaths were in properties without working Smoke Detectors and one quarter of fatal alarms were present the devices didnt work why didnt the devices work the battery yeah, the battery were out and not replaced or maybe it started chirping and because the battery was low and got taken out but not replaced with a new one or maybe a piece of toast burned in the kitchen and set off the alarm and to keep it from going off somebody removed the battery a working something about alarm reduces your chance of die in a fire by 50 percent tha heres the damage resulting from a fire if we can clean it up and make it safe safe to go in there theres the left you can see theres a closest no clothes left total devastation. So here in San Francisco we have a lot of residential units three hundred and 80 thousand built before 1940 and the age of building is significant because there built under earlier codes so every year Construction Industry develops code upgrades and code are improved but because our most of our housing was built before the 40s code were improved but were in the old code so we dont have the benefit of more than technology in a lot of the modern buildings 60 percent are 3 units and more and 20 thousands are Apartment Buildings the most previous havent construction is nonwood frame construction and what you see in nonrated woodframed construction built before 1940 are more avoids in the buildings more attic spaces more empty spaces the fire can occupy and spread faster this is why our Housing Stock is fragile and we have to doing everything we can to prevent fires from happening. Nonrated wood frame construction is burns interest materials faster rapid fire extension and void spaces the building collapses quicker you allows the structural strength when it is built out of wood the wood adds fuel to the fire combusts and spreads so adjacent properties another big issue we have when the fires spread from one building to another building and the people are effected not only in the building it started by effected on to the right building to the right or left the buildings on the corners those are the most vulnerable you have going around the corner to another city block this is a big issue in San Francisco. Older buildings have hidden old electrical system in those buildings well get to that later go to the next slide. So there are a lot of vulnerable areas in the event of a fire a lot of highrisk activities like you saw with smoking and cook and candles he had a forensic once that had like a comboth girl stuff if the ceiling and wooden branches from tease trees and lit candles all the time and a fire in her room luckily got put out quickly thats asking for trouble unauthorized cooking u intelligence and storage areas without sprinkles in a lot of 5 unit buildings and is garbage huge without sprinklers is visual area at egress obstruction like i have to be planning our path out of the building if it is on fire when you see things blocking the way out maybe our neighbor put on the stairs like plants things like that to me that is telling me that the neighbor didnt care that much about what will happen they Orange County to be thinking about their neighbors more. Lightwells with garbage or debris Small Business owner someone smoking a cigarette there is it into a lightwell we have podiums programs through the code compliant Outreach Program which we have San Francisco Apartment Association with the Rights Committee we have 5 groups the sro collaboratives trying to educate people dont throw anything into a lightwell meetings needs to be kept clean for drainage and light and air not for cigarettes roof areas so you can have a fire or firefighter on the roof hopefully not going to be dark and stuff up that and tripping all over the place and not able to put out the fire pr inoperative escapes i saw a bike located to a fire escape will not help when people are trying to get down the fire escapes and unauthorized wiring a lot of times the lights go out and things in the way of getting out of the building make sure that is clear okay. And imagine if you cant see very well and imagine trying to get down in the dark think about those things next slide, please roof all kinds of wires on the roof your First Reading First Responder thats did the the eis fire detection spoke alarms theyre required in all units viral alarm systems and control panels we have a lot of older alarm systems building with 5 units or more and 3 or more stories with Smoke Detectors and local supervision on the alarm system there are not monitored by central their some Apartment Buildings that have it not required if i see a red light flashing you should tell the owner the building and tell the Fire Department or the fire building inspection will come out and take that care of that a sticker on the alarm system that tells us when it was certified thats another thing to look for if it is not serviced report that 90 percent of all violations of the housing code. Something about alarms save lives and most people die from something about usually the fire didnt get to them its the smoke that kills people again, you need working something about alarms in our sleeping area where you sleep did anyone know the differences between a something about alarm and Smoke Detector . Any ideas the smoke lawmaker a stand alone that makes its own sound and it has its own power supply so you can its portable put it up in a ram it is ready to do a Smoke Detector is dumb didnt have a sound by send a signal hardwired and part of a fire alarm system it is hooked 0 up to the households electrical it is hooked up to the electrical system of the building and again sends a signal to the fire alarm and the fire alarm walks you up its the difference between a fire alarm and a Smoke Detector 77 percent of all fire fatalities in 2005 were residents the fatality most of fatalities were not in cars they were not at work they were in peoples homes so we know that having that Smoke Detector or smoke alarm their visual to waking you up to have enough time back to the video we saw earlier when the smoke alarm goes off you have enough time to get out not looking at for our purse or wallet or pictures of our family or important papers you have just enough time to save yourself to get out going back real quick you can see the wires on the smoke alarm that is hardwired again hooked up to the Household Electricity okay Carbon Dioxide alarm theyre required in youll residents who live in california Carbon Dioxide is color also odorless and tasteless works like an anesthetic lowering our consciousness leaving you disoriented making that hard to think so imagine waking up a smoker alarm and the electrical didnt work because the fires shorted the electrical system in the building and youre having to find your way out with all the smoke and Carbon Dioxide in the air if youre sleeping the smoke puts you into a deeper sleep youll not what time we call cooking the splinter killer last year, it killed 5 hundred and injured additional 20 thousand in the United States so Carbon Dioxide alarms with a hyde drove gas burning stove or a furniture as or youre required to have a Carbon Dioxide in your hohome Carbon Dioxide alarms they should have that u l approval symbol and they have a seal for the fire marshall state of california fire marshall approved and listed so they need boss of the listing youll find them on the packaging the same for smoker alarms both approvals and in our days now theyre a made what a 10 year battery a great thing because earlier we mentioned about how people contact take the batteries outer for false alarms there was that old slogan change our clock and change our batteries some people did and some people didnt now there are Carbon Dioxide and something about alarms available in combination and again, they have the temple year battery that lasts 10 years after 10 years dispose of alarm change out the whole thing the battery is seeltd you cant get it out if you tried but if you broke the alarm open not designed to have the battery removed change the whole thing after a certain amount of time like 10 years they become not as sensitive to smoke they should be competed in the sleeping areas if you have a forced furnace need to have a Carbon Dioxide alarm in that bedroom it you a combination Carbon Dioxide alarm and something about alarm and put that in the bedroom that takes care of of everything we recommend having a something about alarm in the hallway outside of bedrooms and its good to sleep with our bedroom door closed if theres a fire the smoke wont get into the bedroom and the alarm outside in the hallway will go off and wake you up if you sleep with our bedroom door closed have an alarm in our bedroom also, if theres a fire in the bedroom the smoke alarm in the bedroom will wake you up and recommended having something about alarms on every level of the home one in the bedroom and one outside in of the bedroom in San Francisco we have a lot of areas of the city that are densely populated lots of People Living in one unit sometimes they use the living room as a place to sleep or we even seen cases of people sleeping in closets you need to have a smoke alarm and Carbon Dioxide alarm thats the reality here in San Francisco test them monthly monthly if you cant reach it used it broom handle and if you have to change our battery the old style alarms embed and do that and the old style alarms have to replace those also after 10 years on all alarms when you hear them chirping that means the battery needs to be replaced it is case of 10 year litigating up the battery youll hear a chirp every 45 seconds if you have a lithium based battery okay. Thank you inspector. Pier suppression in agreement buildings those are things designed to put out the fire so we have fisht and we have to make sure theyre the proper size and an annual certification tag that has a punch in it there are sprinkler systems this they have to be maintained and the proper sprinkle head ceiling clearance that are required in garbage rooms and shoots and storage rooms or areas and some corridors deadends over 20 feet the law of the land shoot the new codes are not typically retroactive but have legislation that passed last year for existing buildings and that is that owners will not provide information to the renters on the importance of something about alarms so that the people that live in the buildings 90 know how important to keep the smoker alarms in working order or report it it is not in order weve seen the results of this many, many owners having Building Meetings to educate theyre residents holding fire drills weve seen a lot of heightened awareness in the last couple of years i believe that people are becoming for conscience the fire alarms system in older buildings should be upgraded so this about get some of the modern technology and need and attic walks will be installed a couple of feet near the ceiling that will prevent the fires from spreading and destroying other buildings or killing other people or injuring people that is significant passed last year unanimously so next slide is the egress in agreement buildings keep the second means of egress clear for a space cant say emphasis that enough doors and windows the affair escapes need to be open so people can get out of a fire dont store things in the hallway keep things clean so if there is a fire people can get out fire escapes need to be serviced serviced and operational if you see that someone has put something underneath with the Deputy Director ladder it you have e have to reports right aways we have people that love they open a new busy with a great awning in front of their restaurant and underneath the drop ladder how is someone going to get out of a fire keep an eye on with those things let us know were always seeings thing and writing those things up to be fixed air double cylinder locks not allowed if our exiting the second egress have to open up from the inside cant require a second key on the insides or combination lock or special knowledge how to open that door you cant say have security bars on a exit door without a manual release and proper signage some older buildings not eliminated but buildings that are you need to maintain the proper exit signage and keep in mind it maybe dark when an effort ours to remind people that live in the building dont block the exits make sure there is a second egress and ingress minced in the part of the buildings obvious the occupancy load dont permit dangerous flammable storage we do have this phenomena called hoarding at dbi we have a professional to deal a house to gradually over a period of time work with a person to not included that impacts people in other units in case of a fire maintain the roofs dont add fire loads and roof deck without a proper permit we had one yesterday tina is she still here remove wirings you saw the pictures electrical wiring dont do that see that picture properly maintain electrical wiring change it install with that a permit check it out and make sure youre doing everything right and prepare disadvantage to a wirings the chief electrical inspector has warning signs essentially sparc you see aspects or credibility breakers tripping or elements warm to the touch or hot that would be a warning sign okay proper maintenance in Apartment Building do not change occupancies without a permit and install gas. Penicillin without a permit and place combustiblecombustibl the Property Owner will be appreciative that helps a small problem from growing and costing more in the long term dont leave food on the stove or current unattended or candles or cigarettes dont over load extension cords and dont disconnect the smoking alarm. So in terms of prevention and washers those are all good ideas have a periodic evasion drill so everybody is aware that you know your neighbors if something happens theyve practiced and practiced it you will remember youll know how to get out. The clear view the building numbers synonyms a tree or bush that is growing over the number make sure that a First Responder can see the number light and dark how will the First Responders know that is that the building if they cant see the address of building left hand to maintain the fire safety items and it is a good idea to quack our proposed every so often once a year or more often hopefully twice a year to do a check Building Occupant should have is an escape plan and report the hazards if you dont get a resident call the department of building inspection or the Fire Department have the communities Outreach Programs they can help and you can report it u anyones you can point out whatever the issue they made need help assessing the property how will a building perform on the block in case of an events thats what were trying to make sure the Building Systems will perform the way they should and an incredible Fire Department 15 hundred people that always performs well doing an incredible job given the fragile state of Housing Stock and then is issue of adjacent properties i want to mention that the day after thanksgiving that was i was in my mid 20s and apparently a person that the in an adjacent property caused an explosion in the basement and the fire spread and he was lucky enough to get out of p there but any in and about was not that lucky so i never forget that so it is important to plan ahead remember these fires can spread from our building to another and be aware the egress when planning our capacity and report hazards promptly we have live operators standing by 5588620 and the Fire Department and call. Monthly always provide our name describe what the emergency is so we can send the right resources and the exact address including our apartment number added directions like the rear of building and the side, little contradicts would be helpful and a phone number where you can be reached 911 is one of the commonly called Government Agency numbers we get calls for things like maybe somebody a good meaning sgoorm called to say well, theres a bunch of fire engines and a fire thats something that is just adding to the call volume probably might be the 25 call if there are fire engines there be careful when calling 911 there is also 311 there theyre a good rural for parking and other resources like graffiti, trash that has been dumped to 311 a great resource and leave 911 for all of us when we need an emergency. Home escape plans in agreement buildings youll see escape plans made up typical find them near the exits and elevator lobby first part of the plan is the exits marked by a clean doted line for a green packet highlighted in green always whether those plans are mounted on the wall ordinary to the building where you are youll see a symbol on the plan shows you where you are and the direction of the exit pathways be able to figure out how to get to the stairs if you have trouble finding your way to the stairs look for the exit signs the exit signs will have green arrows pointing to way to the stairs and when our on your way down the stairs if youre building has a fire last name you may have fire alarm stations pull the fire alarm before you go down the stairs as our leaving the building close the door behind you never open doors hot to the touch use the back of our hand save your passages for crawling and calling 911 starts off at the bottom of door if the bottom of door feels hot you know what is on the odds if not slide our hand on the door if this is not hostile continue sliding our hand over the donor or crack of the carrier if it get hotter going up you know that is fire on the audio our careful if the door opens outward use the wall as protection if smoke and heat starting coming in the room lean back and close the door but on the hallway if there is smoke in the hallway crawl on your hands and knees you can feel along the walls if you practice have fire drills in our home and or thought about how to get out you know how many carriers a stairwell on each side know how many doors to the stairwells so you have to feel along the walls can count and find your way out and once you escape once our out innovative the Fire Department youll say your cell phones it is a good idea to keep the cell phone by our bed you can call us when you get out and even then if youre trapped by a fire and have a Meeting Place outside of building and everyone knows where the Meeting Place is a lot of times when we pull up to a burning building well see people standing outside and theyll come to us and say oh, my mom is inside the house well ask for you know what the room number is and well ask you know do you you know if she was in the apartment and people will say i dont know. I dont know so it is a huge advantage if you can have a predesignated Meeting Place outside and everybody that you live with knows where the Meeting Place is when you get there found if someone is missing if they are youll tells you once our out stay out never go back inside you remember the video all the smoking and heat we talked about Carbon Dioxide there is also hygienecy need the same gas as in the gas chamber once our out never go inside leave the kroouk to us we have alters selfapparatus with the air bottles and protection that you seen the coat and the helmet that protects us we go down with the hospital the hospital is our real protection without the hose in a place that is rolling well not last long because of heat the hose is our protection the waters comes out and cools the fire you dont have my of that stuff if you go back inside you might as well be on mars never go back in the for people pets or things okay. If you cant get out and trapped by the fire the door was hot and the hallway was filled with heat and had to slam the door shut try to make your way to a room that faces the street with an outside window stuff towels and create as many barriers between yourselves and the fires stuff a towel underneath the door and if theres a phone call 911 right aways you get our cell phone tells you what floor and room number what the street your window faces even if i see us outside of building still call us stay near the window hang a sheet or tear the curtain or your coat or a jacket something anything when we pull up to a building the first thing we look at are all the was if we see a sheet or po pill to our windows will reach we have lots of ladders if you have a flashlight another way to signal us do open the window all the way if you open up the window all the way that will create a draft hot likes to go to cold that is cold outside outside of window if you open the window all the way the fire will want to go out the window just a little bit maybe a few inches to get air nose and mouth and hang the sheet out the window dont break the window if you break the window youll create an uncontrollable draft so be patient be patient fire doors doors will slow down the fire even older construction in the door is closed the fire will take a little bit before that burns between the walls we can be anywhere in San Francisco between two and three minutes 45 stations strategically spaces throughout San Francisco we can do that patient it seems last week it takes forever when youre in a burning Building Trust me we go as fast as we can stay on the phone with us and talk with us okay. inaudible . If you need to contact us you have a place where you see a fire hazard contact the Fire Department or 5583300 and the department of building inspection at 5586220 and you, our website San Francisco Fire Departments website is at sfgovtv. Org fire and the department of building inspection website is sf dbi. Org housing. San francisco Fire Department we do offer trainings on fire safety for neighborhoods groups if you have a Neighborhood Group that meets on a monthly or periodically and you want us to come out and do a training we have a power point and we go over home escape planning and basically fire safety what to do if you discovery a fire smoker alarms and fishts and earthquake awareness and prepares we have a simulator it is a digital fisht training stimulater can use it inside didnt spray powder looks a fisht but out of mouth a lazer beam when you point the lazer beam on the where the simulator fire it goes out weve kwolg a lot of good feedback so we are here for you and bring anti pamphlets on fire safety from the nationals Fire Protection association so the information we passed out and give is the latest and most reliable. inaudible . As i mentioned well stay here for answer questions does anyone have any questions. Fraubl thank you for a really complete presentation. clapping. and have time for a couple of questions and please use the microphone. Excellent presentation thank you im a handy man and work for a lot of lefthand side and i replace Smoke Detectors can you clarify the co2 detectors i see best practices and forced air heating building with forced area units what exactly is the code. Okay. Ill take a shot at that in you have a hydro burning appliance in the building then you should have a okay. This is what Smoke Detectors or Carbon Dioxide if you have a hydro burning appliance with the building then you have a Carbon Dioxide alarm or an attached garage you should have a Carbon Dioxide or in your building protecting the sloping areas if you have a forced area heating okay. And that heating say like central heating and it burns gas a hydro burning for these air into the bedroom now you need Carbon Dioxide in the bedroom okay otherwise lets say you have a steam heating successful i didnt old type of heater dont have a carbo san lucas burning appliance but have a attached garage or heater in the building that is a hydro burning appliance that triggers having to have Carbon Dioxide units in the apartments to wake up people outside of the bedroom is sufficient and like in the hayes valley outside of sleeping areas but again force air into each bedroom now you need one in the bedrooms and outside in the hallways too. inaudible i think thats it. Yeah. Hi so my question he replace the city passed a number of new fire safety requirements that deadlines from january, march and july i went to the website recently and under the fire safety closure section have to sent send out a letter and the attendance that section is under revision so what is going on a new deadline are you guys. The deadline is next january. Oh, that is and good have you guys seen the requirements quite onerous. None have changed. Is there a plan or the deadline been moved forward. The deadline for the certification was always. I talk with you more about that. Oh, very good thanks thank you very much. A wonderful presentation one question you mentioned again things to do in case of a fire so very detailed the issues were wonderful i were adjourned if we have had assess online for the detailed information that you mentioned if you break a window not good so because as you mentioned when there is a fire yeah. Yeah, we can were also looking to improve the website and we will do that that is our plan to periodically update you know according to the season like when the winter months rollaround our fire season for the city people put the heaters too close or portable electrical heater too close to the beds or the curtains and fires get started yeah, we looks forward for workshops on the website. So it is flash fire. Yeah. There is also sf fire. Com that is another website address so look for periodic updates yeah. Youre welcome. Should be the last question. Thank you i learned a lot you saw me taking the notes i live in a 1912 building we still have the old electrical wiring i saw woven of the things you need to worried about is electrical wiring nearing the end of life cycle how do i determine whether you know it is still being used. If you can give us a call we may refer you to the station. Thank you sure. Thank you been a great day and appreciate our kind attention and hopefully make that feel really worthwhileyou. clapping. i am a building inspector sifted and examiner i do field inspections with the department of building inspection today, were going to thank you for attending our earthquake safety fair today we will run you through how to obtain a permit and the purpose is that were going to hopefully leave you with a better understanding of how to navigate the building inspection and get a permit all right. So well take a step by step approach here we also want you to know other regulating agencies the Planning Department that reviews plans permits, the Public Utilities commission the department of public works and the Fire Department and in some mayors disability and even need a permit can you get a permit overthecounter or submit okay. And want you to be aware the available resources so benefits of getting a permit the purpose of code is to protect the public basically and the code a set of regulations that provide for the minimum standard of habit ability and fire life and safety the code book has elements to keep the building standing and exiting and Fire Life Safety and construction and sprinkler systems theyre all regulations within the code as well as structural and seismic reinforced concrete and steel and sheer walls and such those are all engineered elements basically recipes in the code books to keep the building standing the code provides for minimum standards for energy conservatism for heating and ventilation that sort of thing these reside verification that the instruction meets the Legal Standard in the state and local level getting a permit provides you with a record for your building for the life the building that conforms to the code since the work was done all right. So work not requiring permits the following a short list of work not requiring a permit tool and storage sheds epilepsy one square feet and projected roof areas can have a storage or tool shed in the backyard as long as the roof area doesnt exceed one hundred square feet not build someone 10 by 10 will exceed one hundred square feet and fences the front of building excluding a corner building the front fence dont need a permit for a maximum of 3 foot high fence and fences at the rear of the believes the rear yard 6 feet high maximum retaining walls so retaining wall is the wall that holds dirt listened it or some other material without a permit 4 feet high without a surcharge were going to hold questions to the end the smack t surcharge platforms and walks not parts of an exit that are equal to or loans 3 inches if our on the first story and want maybe have dirt and want a little bit walk or may be make a small deck dont need a permit as long as thirty inches below grade painting and papering dont need a permit to paint the exterior or interior of the building ill say if the paint was installed prior to 1979 considered to lead before you paint can get the licensed painting incarcerating with that so again moving on to minor repairs to interior sheetrock you have a hole in the wall and want to patch it you can do that without at permit the exemption the call cant be part after a fire rated assembly a fire rated assembly it a ceiling or wall that has a Time Associated about that to resist the passage of flame one hour Wall Assembly difficult for apartments and ceiling to floor Apartment Building if you live in an Apartment Building have rated Property Line walls Floor Covering not requiring the removal of floor with hardwood and listlium craigs replaceo respect broken windows dont need a permit for glass only and work more 0 electrical generally need permits with the exception of cover a plates around recipients and surface if youre not getting into the wall you dont need a permit to replace that fans and other plumbing basically stuck with changing our residential low flow toilets now if you have questions whether or not you need an electrical or plumbing permit come to the Building Department and talk with one the electrical and mrounl inspectors if you need more information alterations so, now here we are you decided you need a permit and dont see the exempt categories the following is for an organization t c overthecounter permit review you come to the Building Department just fill out an application and get applications without plans that is dry rot repair and limited to 50 percent for o or less in cycling front stairs repairs and decks and we allow you to repair them exactly the same way as you keep below the 50 percent thresholds and reroofing can get a permit but installation is different window replacement replace the frames as long as theyre the same size and location the garage door again, the same size as 9 and the same location and dont need plans for nonstructural kitchen and bathroom remodels now the key here is nonstructural we get a lot of remodels as long as youre not moving or removing walls when you move walls you need a plan for stucco and sides dont need plans and exterior replacement no more than more than a repair replaces the siding and the Planning Department will require pictures of that they want to see what our doing to the exterior generally, the Planning Department consignments for the exterior of the building so does alterations with no plans installation of chorus bowls and plywood on the ground floor of residential buildings so chorus bolts holes our walls to the foundation for those excuse me department of environMental Health ahead of myself installation of anchor bolts and sheet on the ground floor plywood sheet is paneling that y put on a wall so the difference continue fly wood and plywood sheer wall their panels a plywood a calculated element thats why you dont need plans that is simply putting in anchor bolts and sheth we dont calculate that out there the engineering plan and a notice of violations are generally people who get caught working without a permit or go over the scope of work generally complaint based theyll be a corrective action on is notice of violation and stays with the contractually entitlements that didnt require a full set of plans like large buildings and a full set will be required at an addendum later on and also the premium projects as the name applies just you pay a little bit extra money and the permit gets reviewed quicker so premium permit premium price thats it and so the permits review options overthecounter permit review so well go over what you can do overthecounter so if you can do that with or without plans come to the 5 floor of Planning Department some people review our permit applications and ask you questions alterations with plans they can review that on the 5 floor and review bid building and the in house engineers with disabilities assess for commercial projects and want to clarify overthecounter review is based on being able to review the project in an hour or less okay. So thats how you can get a permit overthecounter one hour or less per division do an hour through the building Fire Department one hour planning one hour thats the general how you get overthecounter and also were overthecounter permit review includes the memorable plan review and the Fire Department okay so with that, im going to pass this along to inspector who will go over alterations with plans. Good afternoon thanks for coming im joe a building inspector i work in the planned review services an, an occ building inspector and accessibility inspector. Today, we gone through a bit of information ill take over at this point with the overthec reproduce ability of drawings once is drawings are approved we keep and copy and reproduced in a database this is a how we keep track of them approval with the alteration projects with no plans i p r will look at the application and make sure that is complete a send you to the different disciplines mechanical or plumbing or fire you dont get anything are plans and the routing for the necessary agencies from the 5 floor if it is required it you go to planning review youll go back to the first story where the Planning Department is and theyll do their overthecounter review of our drawings once our done with the Planning Department youll come up to the 5 floor the disciplines will be the building and structural and for building and structural youll get an hour for each discipline mechanical, energy, Fire Department, bs m the department of building Inspection Bureau of street use and mapping and the Water Department want to make sure that you have the capacity for the fixture count our providing on your plans once youve gotten the disciplines and everything is stamped and approved and ready to go then youll go to the 5 floor same area as i p r or the initial plan review to the other side and thats where youll go have not payment of fees and thats where youre planning fees will be paid and the dbi fees, your field inspections and the transit impact with the San Francisco Unified School District if the contractor is picking you up the drawings make sure that that is a licensed contractor in Good Standing with the Workers Compensation certificate with the business tax certificate and requires the cal osha safety permit once that is done job card issued once that is issued lets go to the next page here once the job card is issued for occ you can start our work okay now submitted projects it in take for submit projects is absent different because submitted projects theyre more complicated go through planning to get the entitlement and may usually requires the neighborhoods notification or through the site permit and addendum process okay so youll start at the central permitting on the first story i dont understand the information deck and the Planning Department all the way to the first story along the back wall go up the slope theyll do essentially the dismantling but a screening to make sure all the information on the application is correct theyll look the quality of the submittal package Something Different than overthecounter youll have the initial fees based on vacation that you provided for the bon appetit once that is taken care of will be routed to the departments usually starting with planning and building and memorable and fire and set forth and again just to recan cap it is also planning, building and mechanical and fire and board of sups and public works the same departments but at a different scale the project will be more complicated to review as far as permit issuance then the payment of fees you know and generally youre going to pay the dbi field inspector monroe and the puc and transit Impact Development sfusd are the school fees if our adding Square Footage excuse me and look at the contractor requirements the same thing licensed in the state of california and have your San Francisco business certificate and Mayors Office of Economic Workforce Development insurance and cal osha that is required and at that point issue a job card for submitted projects lets see the last couple of pages here additional separated permits that maybe required through the department of building inspection once you get our Building Permit can get the electrical, plumbing or mechanical permitted i do not likely thats the authority you want to go in once you get the Building Permit if you need dpw for construction er the project that is combrooechl into the public rightofway you have to get an encroachment permit other agencies is applicable excuse me. Are sfmta, police, bay area, bayview and osha, etc. Lastly we wanted to make sure that some of the best advise we can give people not in the trades or everyday business of getting permits getting plans doing construction prepare yourself we have a lot of resources at the dbi website you can contact the Planning Department on the first story of the Planning Department the Planning Department there it is more than happy to answer questions and an information desk for building at 1660 mission manned 7 hours a day actually 6 between the hours of 9 and 4 with an hour off for lunch 6 hours a day at the desk ask code questions and if we cant say answer the question or dont have the information well find you the information also, we have printed materials we make available to the public all you have to do a ask for that that www. Sf dbi. Org right up there and weve got a lot of administrative bulletins and what awning administrative bulletin if our proposing to do some work and feel that the work you want to do meets the tint but not the letter of the code there maybe and you can come apply with the provisions in at administration bulletin to get our project get it done. Also you can visit the permit center at 1650 Mission Street to answer my of the streets and well walk through the process were a Public Servant last but not least you can get over your head it is harder to dig yourselves of a hole ill recommend that you get into a large project you are not sure you have the times consultant a Design Professional theyre there to help if our dealing with a contractor and thinking about dealing with a contractor california state license broad no sacramento type in their contractors license number there tell you the status and is exclaims any actions and things like that and that goes towards you guys prepared to take on a project you know a project in our own home is not an easy project but it is worth it. Thank you and dbi is first of all, customer friendly here to serve the public and the most important advise i can give joe said so eloquently overthecounter process works come in with our plans overthecounter project less than one hour discipline thats for the whole project one hour for electrical one hour for plumbing we can get our plans overthecounter out of door figure spend a day or day and a half in reality we permit ore 90 percent of the projects overthecounter so not onerous process. Nothing new but the Design Professional very helpful. Absolutely. Okay. Were open for questions. Okay. Your hand was up first no, that gentleman first, you have to come up to the mike maybe form a line. First of all, say thank you for this is the very helpful the entire day is that wall include below grade. From the bottom of footing to the top of wall the full the full net concrete. Got it if i may. Can you under the initial permit review you talked about the planning review didnt exactly transitions planning review. This is triggered by a chances of occupancy that will trigger a planning review any new construction triggered the planning review the people that the best answer you can get will be the Planning Department. The rule of thumb visible from the public rightofway the expansion like additions or changing the envelope as joe said and. Finally when is neighborhood notification triggered what exactly triggered neighborhood notification. Ill defer to planning but germany of those things weve described. Physical from the sidewalk. Not visible but changing the envelope a 311 notice it is neighborhood notifications with our changing the height as a matter of law a lightwell something that effects the view of the neighbor check with the Planning Department. Thank you thank you for presentation i have two quick question is the demo permit need and if so when that the demolition permit needed. In would context oh, a recliner model. Demo not needed in fact, well council against it because in a demo permit is issued and something happens you dont have the funds to continue we now have a space that maybe unsafe it is something we dont want to end up when our generally doing a recliner model the definition is within the alteration project. Not a separate permit. Question get those woijsz people want to get started they come in and by demo demo all the exterior walls as opposed to demolish a building we dont allow demolition from time to time as joe said you have an empty shell sitting there and actually, the inside as sheer value. The more important question i have i understand there is a position called permit expediters a service that people provide permit exerter do how did a expediter interface. I deal with the permit expediter by a homeowners hired or a project sponsor that didnt have the time to go and interact with the Building Department on their own it is a service they provide people that dont want to come down and go through the process themselves. So the permit expediter does especially what the professional will do otherwise. Yes. You pay a fee and give somebody a set of plans they go to the bon appetit. You pay this person a fee for professional fees a designed professional. They have to be registered. As a permit expediter yes and typically are a letter from the owner stating theyre allowed to picking up pull a permit theyre a service yes. Thank you for this presentation as far as timeline assuming that the plans have been submitted and approved how long what is the timeframe when the construction has to take place and when is it to be finished. So to answer yes two questions once it is approved through all the disciplines then a matter of paying for the permit to start work projects that are i believe a Million Dollars estimated project costs or less you have three hundred and 60 days to complete the project thats when that the permit expires we off one time extensions getting near the expiration come in for another 360 days and talk about the project with the inspectors over Million Dollars i believe seven hundred and 20 cases the same thing with the extension have to have permission after is or the 2ek extension. Thank you very much thank you for workshop if you have a window not fire rated and plans to put remove this window is that then then the window was not removed so that theres a fire hazard in the wall is that what happened after a couple of years when the plans submitted to you show the window was not there. So just so clarify what our saying our saying that you sensely have a set of plans that show a Property Line window as existing. No the plan showing you if not existing a form situation. Okay. Okay. Not existing on the plans but when they actually did the work they left the window there. Well as a field inspector i would go out and look at the approved set of plans and no windows on the Property Line and ill see they put one in at that point ill give them the option to go to the budget Analyst Report and rise their permit we allow Property Line windows on the condition their fire rated for 45 minutes and their nonoperational you have to fill out an administrative bulletin form and get it notarized if the building next door it built to the window you have to take out the window and put a real wall there. We allow that if they did that theyll have a correction or theyll get a notice of violation generally, we dont throw a notice of violation we give people an opportunity to fix something that was codes deficient if they do we issue the notice of violation so to answer your question if not on the plan get a revised set of plans their as a matter of law a window think is Property Line. If the neighborhoods wanted to put a wall next to that will they be able to do that. They will not be able to do that. Once the fire rated and correct and what about about the for rated. As long as it is above the roof when they put in the window the window if you have a building you cannot poke the wall out and put in a window okay. The fire rated window has to be above i think 6 feet is what the code says let late i cant tell but from the neighbor builds up t feet ii want to remind everybody this is a q and a about permits well not answer any specific code questions we can give you the proper times youre allowed this is really is not the forum to ask those questions for any properties that you might have thank you. Thank you for the wonderful presentation im with the department of Public Health and one of the senior inspectors i send all the applicants to come to the district for dbi and others departments one of the questions that mostly come up with if an applicant submits the application for apartment to operate for a massage or tattoo manual and no construction is required or needed but facility was not a massage never a massage or tattoo facility that existed more like this a slogan but add an additional kind of requirement for their business and the applicant needs to pull a permit or do they require an overthecounter permit only if they dont need to do any construction because for record purposes they have to get an approval from dbi to get permit. Yeah. Generally a change of use will need to go through planning in order to youll need a Building Permit we can look to make sure that your complying with the existing and accessibility and the fire life and safety anything that is triggered by the change of use. One thing i deem as a problem every time i send the applicant to the dbi they look at overthecounter and take it back and is no construction dbi didnt generate any preliminaries permits so a change of use they have to have a permits and a change of use did that require a set of plans. It requires specifically for a change of use id like to ill get our card afterwards and talk about that. Wonderful thank you. That was a good question. I want to thank you, gentlemen for doing an outstanding job and once we customer friendly come down a desk to answer your questions and if it is complicated spend the money to save. Good afternoon, everybody welcome to the dbi residential remodel portion of the fair youre very welcome and like to say a couple of things it is really important that we put this information out there facilitates a good understanding in regards to Property Owners and requirements and how we can accommodate our needs and give you a better understanding of the process thats really what that is all about so the team is here i was going to do the introductions but get bean that the punch so already we have joe if youre sitting in the previous presentation alongside him is concerning from the Electrical Division and steve is always on the left our chief plumbing inspector so just in 3, 4, 5 brief overview well put information outs there from 4 divisions within the Department Building inspection we have a representative from plan check before the permit is issued a review stage we have electrical and plumbing so building electrical and plumbing is after issued so you guys have the permits at that point and engaging with the inspector now how many of you guys are homeowners here . Okay. So really we know the Construction Industry folks to me, you are our to death market we want to help with education and making sure that you know what it is that needed to be done in order to secure a permit now theyre residential remodel that broke down 3 things have a permit application that you file in in regards to getting the simple permit getting the simple permit is an application what were trying to do were trying to maintain the minimum standards for habitant ability and life safety so these are the homes you will if in we want to make sure whatever work needs meets the minimum standards for safeties so questionable conservatism is another one, if youre living in our home youre paying a pg e bill want to know as a result of your remodel there is right Small Business commission in the walls youre using the proper lighting and that have the proper installation for the plumbing will will help to keep the utility bills will be far less in you make sure you have that that installation and energy conservatism and really what the trump card for me is do you meet the minimum codes standards so again your building is safe our inspectors go out and know bans the Building Code the the plumbing code and electrical code who what you should maintain the life safety for the building and again the benefits of having a permit securing a permit resources you can go it to i think the website is invaluable because a lot of information there that will give us the background only ways to work through the system can be a extricated system can be daunting you walk in the doors as a homeowner you look around where due go now remember there is a lot of resources there that brows the website go on the website and try to find what it is your target is when our coming down there and a lot of very helpful people aaron the building from the information counselor if you need to go to planning theyre right there talk with someone at planning so really depended on the you know what kind of permits the overthecounter permit just an application youre talking about a Kitchen Remodel a bathroom remodel and fill out the application and usually youre out the door definitely the same day and usually shorn that a matter of an hour or so a simple kitchen or bathroom type of permit when you have a permit that requires plans it can still be overthecounter but submitting plans with the application and that will be a case everywhere your lets say remodeling the kitchen but open up the area between the dining room and remove that wall to do let plans of the removal of wall showing a new floor plan thats why we need the plans and get both their scenario and material is taken in not overthecounter that is for instances you are adding to the envelope of the house whether horizontal or vertical or synonyms that maybe also include meeting units or adding an accessary dwelling unit potentially or you know thiechz things of that nature im going to turn it over to jojoe all right. Thank you mr. Oreardon i went over some of this it will be redundant information but for those of you who just joined it will be fresh and new im joseph im a certified i think certified plant examiner and i cc inspection and work with the department of building inspection again pat touched on it the window inkind replacement you know skylight replacement inkind decks and stairs repair or less than 50 percent inkind cosmetic kitchen and bathroom youre not changing the layout and anything structural and by changing the late out not moving or removing or as a matter of law walls dry rot and termite inkind and reroofing possibly overthecounter permits without plans could possibly require multiple Agency Review depending on some roofing permits that the sloped roof visible from the roof needs to get planning approval and other agencies maybe required electrical plumbing and mechanical scolding the department of public works street permits and those types of things i dont want to talk about it but dont want to be redundancy type of overthecounter permits are plan our kitchen and became remodel and spiritual nonstructural i mean by nonstructural youre cutting a door into a nonbearing wall youre changing the layout and endangering a shower or eliminating a wall with an island that changes the layout and has to be documented in our records decks and stairs if youre going to be doing more than 50 percent can do an inkind but need drawings with the inkind repair rooms downstairs adjacent to garage or conversion of on and on habit l nonhabitual space adjacent to the garage with explains that could be an overthecounter item whether our doing work not adding to a letter units and putting in a family room and half bath could be done overthecounter with plans function repairs and upgrades in the structural can do the review in less than an hour and not changing the envelope of the plan anything above 10 feet is the major engineering not youll not be able to review it in less than an hour because of calculations and fences over 6 feet i know youre thinking why do you need plans and everything all this information for fences over of feet and there 6 feet i dont need a permits for it is because when you get to a heights of over of feet were not worried about the fence what you created a largescale have you a wind below that largescale can move and uproot and end up in the neighbors Swimming Pool or garden and the voluntary seismic upgrades can be done overthecounter with a supervisor and less than an hour plans requiring intact again, i know i went over this before any New Buildings or horizontal or vertical youre changing the envelope of the building solar installations 4000 kilowatts and above all the above that i mentioned require planning review in addition to the architectural structural and mechanical okay generally projects one hundred dollars need a mapping review and the construction process the building form we looked at the on the previous slide or the previous show or informational presentation thank you, pat so im going to go ahead to the next page now and again, it is very similar to iowa is on the previous presentation youll need your for the building and construction the Building Permit form and again, it will be a type 3 or form 8 form 8 being overthecounter form 3 excuse me. Yeah. Form 8 overthecounter and 3 a submitted job the inspection record certificate of completion and occupancy will be touched been by the next presenter this is the pink form it is not a lot of information youll have to fill out i mean it will be your address, your name maybe our contractors name, and the scope of work what our planning on doing the rest youll have help fte out at the information deck the construction type and the occupancy and the block and lot things like that i think ive gone over and done that im going to turn it over to our next presenter mr. Burke. Thank you, joe im ken burk acting chief electrical inspectors with the department of building inspection the well be going over the inspection process a diagram on the board after the permits is issued you begin the work process and when you are ready can schedule an inspection okay. The inspectors inspections to be made to the addendum scheduling inspection go phone number is up there and also you you can schedule online through the dbi website if youre set up that way most homeowners will not be that way but contractors not uncommon the work is begun schedule the inspiration and the inspector comes out and goose over what youve done out there depending on the scope of the work you get a rough inspection and then you go through your framing your electrical and plumbing and get cover up for all of that the project moves on and you can once you put in all, all finishes put in for a final inspection and go ahead and schedule that and then is the department prides ourselves in responding to the requests within 48 hours give it a day or two your inspection that no problem getting an inspection after the finally, you get our job card signed off and you can get our certificate of final completion and then you can also after that visit the website to make sure the paperwork is completed okay some General Information scheduling a phone number to talk about with the clerk to get on schedule and call 48 hours in advance, to make sure that everything moves along smoothly for you, you, you, call between 8 30 and 3 00 oclock to book our inspection and schedule online at any time and then contracts can schedule online if you the morning of your inspection can all the inspector or a lot of times the inspector will call you the contact on the inspection information to narrow down a window for you try to give a one hour window so youre not waiting all day if touksz to 3 oclock the inspectors are in the office from 7 30 or visit the county between three and four with paperwork or to teacher of what the inspector or any questions regarding our job specifically can get the district inspector at the counselor between 3 and 4 ill im going to turn it over to now to steve. Good afternoon, everyone im steve chief plumbing a inspector with the department for 17 years and doing plumbing for 26 now so i said where were going back and forth on the next slide ill show you thats a job card did main contract whether the sign offices for everything this is happening that is what you get when you pay for the permit and want it as a homeowner that will be doing work thats what youll get first and doing plumbing or Electrical Work that will be a homeowners permit this is totally different come to the 3 floor and speak with myself possibly an inspector on duty for electrical and pluralism and go have not process of getting a homeowner permit just because you want one didnt mean you may get it but ask you a few questions and but have a plumbing and electrical unfortunately, i didnt put those slides in there to show you my bad the insides of job card have signatures and go through basically, if you look at on the lefthand side facing that on the lefthand side in the middle towards the top my snatch i put my snatch youll not see the will same snatch an everything but the underground work if it is bog done the first one that is as i understand off and right below that rough inspections have our plumbing and in order what we like to see and what works best kitchens and bathrooms im not going into major constructs not too many homeowners will do their horizontal and vertical addition through a contractor but giving you stuff i want t you to understand the process youll see on a kitchen or bathroom youll see the rough sign off on the rough sign off rough plumbing and shower pans and rough electrical if you have ac with the heating the blue center it is everything that is usually cord up by sheetrock or fixtures before it gets covered we want to make sure that is tested and done correctly youll get the plumbing and electrical inspector out there first once their sign offices done and is builder inspector on the bottom saying it is okay to cover and everything is all right. On the righthand side thats the final side that will be the completion that when we come out to our beautiful bathroom and come out and see the water closet the toilets is in the correct place and is sinks and is shower is done right and look at the outlets theyll sign off once that is complete call for building theyll come out and sign once they sign that will complete the process theyll give you a certificate of closed session that loosens that that certificate will be completed and everything will be in the system now, when i say in the system i mean our system at dbi showing that we went out and did the inspection if so completed if you see an electrical permit and have signatures right there come down and see us that means somebody didnt put in this is something that Everybody Needs to keep any project that you have anything that is done . One of the most important pieces of information this gives the information yes someone that signed off and it is done even if we have something opened we had Something Like that that is completed that will help us to close something out well get to the questions after i know ive on this slide and most ever you have this slide should see the mechanical and dbi and sidewalks and trees and special inspections were getting into something beyond with the homeowner you know that most everybody is homeowners but getting into sidewalks trees working outside of the structure and going beyond what ill consider month homeowner permits in the passive 17 years i want to keep is basic so our goals we value our opinion we have a onions issue with an inspector or dont understand something come and see us we appreciate your coming down but not yelling at us but so we can help our goal to safety our main concern is our safety and pair or make sure that citizens of San Francisco and yourselves do everything to code and everything is safe Everything Else if something happens houston trust me thats why rewire permits and thats pretty much everything i have to say and love to take our questions come up to the fight our address is 16850 mission right 1515 south van ness avenue and Mission Street cross whether you can come off the free open Mission Street hallway up the block on the lefthand side. Gentlemen if you have questions come to the microphone to start off if i call for an inspection and is inspector comes out addresses the inspect fails what is the process. For our processes an inspection fails ital depended on what the correction notice if it is a pledging or electrical. If we have a correction notice that is incorrect and something has to be corrected you make the corrections you call and get a recliner inspection of that area that needs to be corrected we moved if everyone of everything is done well sign off your final is complete or this work you did say now correctly done right and well sign that. Just from my perspective with building inspection when a correction has to be made the first one we think about are there plans involved is it something that can be corrected by just making some physical correction or dot plans need to be revised so if we go out and see the plans show that and additional work was performed than that tells the inspector a restriction permit needs to be obtained to document the additional work but like steve says in most cases with the simple overthecounter homeowners permit kitchen and bath and remodeling for us we see missing fire blocking and see that Smoke Detectors need to be added those are the usual things beyond that we potentially wouldnt be dealing with the average homeowner well be dealing with a incarcerating and if the contractor works outside the scope of the plans i have to work with them to make sure they get the appropriate document to document the full scope of the work. Thank you, again so whats the general timeframe and cost associated with permit just like a general you know, i know that permits can take a well and stuff like that. General question i cant give you i apologize everybody is different. Yeah. Yeah. Is general timeframe for permits issuance once submit . The answer he gave it is if the an overthecounter permit you can get it down within 48 hours a submitted project that depends on the applications how complicated the project a new building there is a lot of notifications that needs to take place so i dont have a good answer could want to though an answer just to give you information because it may not be Accurate Information id like to give you no information than Bad Information okay. If you give us an example of what kind of permit maybe we can give you a more accurate answer. Maybe remodeling a small units how long. Your refer to a overthecounter application permit the cost associated will be well again, we dont deal with costs if you can go to section one 06 in the Planning Department a cost table if youre permit evaluation is from zero to 5 thousand dollars your permit fee is last week 200 and whatever dollars and 3. 47 for every 100 get a ball park of the permit fees but volunteered from the approval and inspection. Will it be reasonable to say joe if youre coming in to get a permit for a simple bathroom remodel 4 or 5 hundred bucks in youre checking accountant. For electrical permit twohundred and 40. The plunking is one and 50. Okay. Thank you. 5 hundred. Thank you thank you for the opportunity so mine a particular question but for remodel my house is set on the back of lot line a fractured not a backyard will i get the information of the plans of what im allowed to do going to the dbi website or if not who do i see to get that particular information how far i can move the deck out. Your question is for planning really so the Planning Department will have oversight overexpansion of your property and as far as youll be building a deck at the fronts of existing house anything at the front or visible from the street the Planning Department will review that if you wanted to get information the first place to go and what your describing the Planning Department at the ground floor on 1560 o 50 Mission Street and someone0 mis street and someo60 Mission Street and someo50 Mission Street and someone will provide with you information. Because it is street facing and anything that faces the street is something that the Planning Department will initially review you will need a Building Permit to document and memorize whatever the scope of the work ends up being but the Planning Department a good place to start before you invest in architects and spending money i mean you want to know what you can do. Exactly thank you. And as a note he heard it earlier that this year that the city is taking a 10 Percent Discount on the first year. The sale is on. Thank you ken youre the acting chief inspectors are there preservation. Ron is out on a judge not working right now. Okay. Thank you. Thank you guys for that kind of a worst Case Scenario did a kitchen and bath thank you for being here. Did a kitchen and bath got the card as i said off two years ago i just ran and looked at it on the website ive lost the job card what do i do. Come down to 1660 mission for the fourth floor theyll pull the records and whatever permits have our plumbing and electrical and i have something you talk with the inspector on the third floor and it could be noted could be there just. Not gotten updated. I cant look it up right now i can speak to that from the building perspective because if youre looking at on the website and seeing some that is issued or expired not complete it needs to show complete you can it got signed off but the job card you think the find that or the come to see me or one the senior building inspector well have to research it on whatever information it is hard for us if the with builder inspector signed off for whatever reason didnt get captured in the system is where we need to backtrack and find a way to close our permit. Not the end of world. Plausible. Definitely not the end of the world your expensing that ill give you a card. Thanks. I have a question but related to a safety hazy appreciate the suggestion by all of you my wife and i recently bought a brand new house of months old so in waesht and believe it or not a massive bathroom the shore pan it is to slippery my wife and i fell down my wife got bruised contacted the owner and the representative to look at it and dont know what to do i look at the shower pan it is so smooth the surface what suggestion please. Can i jump in the only thing you can do is talk with the manufacturers or another representative to see if they can take that shine i dont know what the material is on top if you have a picture or ill give you a card but if so like a marble finish or stone it is enclose i didnt and slippery but thinking they can take that and deadened that surface and acid washer im not an expert or sticky flowers. I know it looks ugly but dont the trick. I think that is a fiber congruous you might have oufrments oftentimes you see the tiles around the shower and the tile is like the floor if it is shiny it is slippery so theres a process of eaching to take the shine off the tile to make that more shiny means slippery may have used is tile from the wall. They might not have removed the frond no a whole science and slip coefficient when you walk on slippery tiles and used for determining safety with ramps in commercial buildings we get those complaints someone walks in off the street and waiting outside they slip there are standards surrounding the slip coefficient in regards to those surfaces and it is not unheard of that people put overseeing wall tiles synonyms they put them on the floor walls are not for walking on so. Etching or buy a spray. No do an acid wash. Dont mess are products multiple voices . Ill let them do it thank you, sir. Hello gentlemen thank you for the informational i have