Transcripts For SFGTV BOS Budget And Appropriations Committee 20240712

Board of public and the Committee Room are closed. However, members will be participating in the meeting remotely and this precaution is taken pursuant to the local, state and federal order declarations and directives. We will participate in the meeting through video as if present. Public comment will be available on each item on the agenda, both channel 26 and sf tv is streaming the number across the screen and each speaker will be allowed two minutes to speak. Comments or opportunity to speak during Public Comment period are available rhea phone call by alling 415 6550001. The i. D. Is 146 8471266. Ten press pound twice. When connected, youll hear the meeting discussions and muted and in listening mode. When your item comes up, dial star three to be added. Call from a quiet location, speak clearly and slowly and turn down your television or radio. Alternatively, you may submit public email to the budget and Appropriations Committee clerk, linda wong. If you submit Public Comment via email, it will be forwarded to the supervisors. Finally, items acted upon today are expected to appear on the board of supervisors agenda of september 15th unless otherwise stated and that concludes my announcements. Thank you very much. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the last day of hearings on changes and reductions that the Budget Committee would like to make to the department budgets. We reconvening the budgets and appropriatations meeting from yesterday. A few things to note before we begin. We have trailing legislation and all associated with the puc budget. Just as a reminder to new members of the public, the hearings this week are noticed separately, but this is all one meeting. Well be recessing, not ajourning at the end of everyday and taking backup the following day at 10 00 a. M. Weve had one continual meeting from wednesday, thursday and friday. For that reason, no Public Comment this week on the budget which is items one and two and all Public Comment will be heard on monday, august 24th at 10 00 a. M. No other business on monday, except to hear Public Comment. The budget and Appropriations Committee will recess at 12 120 or 1 00 p. M. For a lunch. Today we will recess at noon. We have five final departments we will finish with before lunch and then well have several departments who will be joining us this afternoon. As much as possible, we will be hearing the departments in the order lists, but i want to recognise that we sometimes need to accommodate scheduling conflicts and call departments out of order. Thanks in all in advance for your flexibility. Well be hearing likely in the following order, public p the pc utilitys commission, Public Health, the port and the airport. And then, i also want to say as i said the last two mornings, the process o of deciding on the budget for the city and county of San Francisco is somewhat adversarial and the mayor gets first bite and then we looks within that budget for efficiencies. When we find inefficiencies with the help of the budget legislative analyst, we then take out those monies and we will reappropriate to the boards issues and the majority going to the vulnerable communities in San Francisco and trying to close the gaps from the mayors budget with that money. But i do want to say, even though we start this, this process is add veer sailor advet to thank the publi employees. Theyre so important to city government. Thank you for your service, especially during covid19, where everyone has pitched in together to protect all of those in San Francisco and Department Heads who you may see us having a back and forth conversation thats heat, thank you for all of your service. I know that you are here fighting for your budgets because you want the resources to serve our public in the best way that you can. And so i want to appreciate them and i want to appreciate all of you, public employees, for all of the work that you do on an everyday basis and we have Great Respect for you and i want to honor all of the th effort ad work you have done. We have been training and legislation today which we will first take care of. And so, mr. Clerk, can you please call items three through nine. I think youre on mute right now. Item number three is an ordinance appropriatating 260. Three millions of hedge revenue and flow carbon trade revenue and power and water Revenue Bonds for the sfpuc Capitol Improvement program for 2020 to 2021 at 94. 3 million and fiscal year 2022 at 165. 9 million and placing 142. 9 millions of the power bond powes subject to the controllers certification of funds availability. Item number four is ordinance appropriating 4. 3 million, clean power sf revenue for the clean power sf Capitol Improvement program for 2020 to 2021 at 1. 8 million and 2021 to 2022 at 2. 4 million. Item number five is an ordinance appropriating approximately 479. 1 millions of proceeds Revenue Bonds, Water Resources control and loan funds or grant funds, waste water revenue and capacity fees for the sfpuc waste Water Enterprises capital Improvement Program for fiscal years 202at 178. 8 million and reappropriating 391. 4 million and placing 349. 9 million in Revenue Bonds or state loan or grant funds by project on controllers reserve subject to the controllers certification of funds availability. Item number significance is an aaroaaron appropriating 344 miln proceeds from Revenue Bonds, state of california, Water Resources, control boards Revolving Loan funds and Water Capacity fees for 2020 to 2021 at 132. 3 million and fiscal years 2021 to 2022 at 212. 7 million and appropriating 3. 5 million water Capital Project funding to waters fund balance in 2020 to 2021 and water capital appropriations in fiscal years 2020 to 2021 and placing 35. 9 million in state grant fund proceeds by project on controllers revenue project to the funds availability. Number seven is authorizing the issuance and sale of power Revenue Bonds and other forms of indebtedness by the puc and an amount not to exceed 142. 9 million to finance the costs of various Capital Projects, benefiting the power enterprise. Item number eight is an ordinance authorizing the issuance and sale of tax exempt or taxable waste water Revenue Bonds and other forms of indebtedness by the sfpuc in an amount not to exceed 34 349. 9 million benefiting the waste water enterprise and item number nine is an ordinance authorizing sale and tax exempt or Revenue Bonds as defined by the sfpuc in a principle amount not to exceed 347. 1 million to finance the cost of various capital water projects benefiting the water enterprise. Members of the public who wish to provide Public Comment should call 415 6550001, meeting i. D. 146 8472266 and then press pound twice. If you have not done so, please dial star three to line up to speak and a system prompt will indicate you have raised your hand approximately indicate until the system indicates you have been unmuted. Chair we have eric sandler from the utilitys commission. The floor is yours. Thank you. Im eric sandler, the cfo of the puc here to present pieces of legislation that are all about implementing our Capital Investment plan programs for the next two years. Next slide. As you heard, there are seven ordinances tied to the implementation of our capital budget. Four are supplemental appropriation ordinances that essentially identify a series of projects that comprise or capital program. Theres one for water enterprise, one for water and power and clean power assess. And then we have three debt authorization ordinances that authorize us to issue Revenue Bonds or other forms of indebtedness to fund all or a portion of the programs and i would just point out that we have a couple of amendments. One to the waste water supplemental appropriation ordinance and then an amendment to all of the debt authorization ordinances and ill point this out as we go along. So the waste water capital supplemental is 579. 2 million over a twoyear period and Improvement Program, renewal and replacement, as well as waste water facility and the amendment that i refer to and an error on page 13, line 23, the correct number is 57,174,566 to be placed on controllers preserve. Next slide. The water capital supplemental appropriates 344. 8 million over a twoyear period and places 223. 5 on controllers reserve and funds Regional Water projects as well as local water projects including treatment plan improvements, water diversification and supply projects, et cetera. The next supplemental for the water and power and thats for our facilities of country that are either solely water, power or joint facilities and they have ordinance appropriating 260. 3 million over the twoyear period and places 142. 9 on controllers reserve for the pipeline improvement to mountain tunnel improvement and distribution projects in the city and general Fund Energy Efficiency improvements to lower costs. Pair indiscernible . There are demand response programs, electric mobility, local renewable. Next slide, please. So now, im turning to the the debt Organization Ordinance and we only have three because we issue power, waste water or water bombs. So the first authorization is for power bomb and the amendment issues referring Revenue Bonds after adoption to the ordinance. Essentially, we had revenue bond refunding authorization which allows you to save by refinancing the outstanding debt and expired in june and we have a number of refinancing opportunities, particularly in the water enterprise that can realize about 105 million in savings over the life of the debt and we want to be able to immediately enter the market and thats why the amendments are appearing in the financing authorization. Next slide. This next ordinance refers to authorization of revenue bond issuance for the waste water of 349. 9 million and, again, the same amendment as i discussed in the power ordinance and finally, we have the Water Revenue Fund authorization ordinance, authorizing 347. 1 million of issuance of water revenue bond and an amendment, again, clarifying the implementation schedule for revenue refunding bond issuance. And that concludes my presentation and im happy to answer any questions. Chair i believe we have a daily report on these items. So could the bla present on items three through nine. Good morning, chair. And, yes, item three is an appropriation to the revenue and other funds for the Capital Projects and item number seven is the authorization to issue power bonds. We summarize the sources of uses bonds on page three of our report and in terms of the impact on power rates, we discuss that on page five with about a one year increase over the next few years from the municipal customers and a three per year increase for other customers and we recommend approval. Puitem number four is 4. 3 millin in clean power revenues and we summarize the uses of these funds on page 11 of our report and we recommend approval. Item number five is appropriating funds from waste water revenue bunds and item number seven is the issuance of waste water Revenue Bonds. We summarize the sources and uses of these on page 14 of our report. In terms of the impact on rates, we discuss that on page 17 and there would be an eight rate in 2021 and 2022 for customers. In terms of waste water sewer rates. And we recommend approval. And then items number six and nine. Item number six appropriates funds of water Revenue Bonds to water capital programs and item nine approves issuance of water Revenue Bonds. Sources and uses are summarized on page 27 of our report and then in terms of the impact on water rates, it would be a 7. 8 increase in customer water rates in 2021 and seven. Nine increase in water rates in 2 12 and we recommend approval. Chair it looks like the bla has recommended approval on items three through nine and i understand there are some amendments that were presented and could the public utilitys commission please present those amendments now. So the water supplemental, john, are you doing this or am i . Yes, i can take this on. Chair excuse me, can you please refer to it by the item number . Yes, i can. This is john scarpula with the sfpuc and i will work through the amendments right now. File number 230822, the capital supplemental. Chair thats item number five, ok and you have an amendment for item number five. Correct, thank you, supervisor. And that is on page 14, line 23 and were replace the amount of 170,869,000. 66 with the correct total of 57,174,566. Chair thats a big difference. Yes. Chair and any other amendments . On that item, no, but i will move on to file number 200836. Chair thats item number seven. Correct. And on that item, we are looking at a couple of different amendments. Ill start with page eight, lines five through nine and so youll see that amendment authorizes the issuance of refunding Revenue Bonds immediately after their adoption. And so thats the first and then there are several other smaller grammatical revisions throughout the document and should i run through each of those or thats the main crux . Chair thats fine. Thank you. I will move on to file number 200837. Chair that is item number eight. And thats page nine, lines 15 through 19. And, again, this is authorizing the issuance of refunding Revenue Bonds immediately after the adoption of the ordinance. Press star 3. Please let us know if there are any callers wishing to comment on the items. Madam, chair, there are no callers in the queue. Chair three through 9 are now closes for public items. I would like to adopt 5, 7, 8 and 9. Could i have a second, please . Second. Chair can i have a role call vote, please, mr. Clarke. Clerk. Can i clarify the second . Supervisor walton. Pair. To accept 5, 7, 8 and 9. role call . Chair i would like to move these items. Could i have a second, please. Second. Chair role call vote, please, mr. Clerk. role call . There are five ayes. Chair that was our trailing legislation and we will hear from the public utilitys commission and i believe we have eric sandler, julie ellis, Michael Carmen and charles pearl. The public utilitys commission, the floor is years. Before we do that, should i read items 1 and 2 . Chair thank you. Item number on 1 the appropre ordinance appropriatating all expenditures for departments of the city as of july 31st, 2020 for years ending june 30, 2021 and june 3 30, 2022. This is continuing, creating or establishing these positions. Chair thank you very much and now lets hear from the public utilitys commission. Chair fewer, we presented a presentation at the last meeting and we are in agreement with the budget analyst and it was certainly we really appreciate all of the work of the budget analyst, particularly miss martin. They were difficult substantives, we are in agreement with the budget analyst. Chair im glad you came to an agreement. Improve heard it was, you know, difficult conversation, but im glad you came to an agreement. And so, yes, present yee. Youre on mute, president. Can you explain why puc would be using vehicles and im talking about passengertype vehicles and why youre using quite a number of luxury vehicles. Thank you, supervisor yee. The top three reasons we rent vehicles is that we have Construction Projects and infrastructure is the largest user of shortterm. Projects are shortterm and when thats over, we relinquish the vehicle and we rent the vehicle if the vehicle is totaled and no budget to replace it. We utilize a contract that is a citywide contract that oca manages with enterprise. The specifications are unclear what they will pay for. Thprintwe do not pay any more te citys contract rates for the vehicle. It seems like these vehicles you lease for not just one or two days or a week, and it seems lengthy. Why is it . We have Construction Projects and with the needs for vehicles can increase in decrease dramatically depending on the construction management. indiscernible . I had a hard time understanding what you just said. We try to manage our fleet effectively and there are a number of we had in our budget a number of recommendations for a replacement about 36, for 1. 47 million and was included in the twoyear budget and there is potentially a higher likelihood we would need to rent vehicles over the next two years. I didnt want to keep on asking. Its not you. Its the sound system. And what ill do, this issue will be brought back up. Well provide more information. To get more information and maybe more written because for whatever reason, i cant understand what youre saying very well. Its not your fault. Chair mr. Sandler, would you please provide for this committee the information that present yee is requesting and could you please respond in writing to us . Definitely. Chair thank you, president yee. Thank you, chair fewer. Im looking at this budget and looking at the bla reductions and im a little concerned about whats going on with the super green with clean power sf program and i dont know if were getting budgetary savings out of the fact that clean power does not appear to be up and running in the way that we want it up and running but im wondering why its not up and running. Whats going on with clean power sf . What is it, 40 vacancies and it seems like were ramping down our markets for the program . So i will try to answer this and any of my colleagues can feel free to jump in. This was definitely in an area where we had a lot of back and forth with the budget analyst. In terms of staffing, our strategy was to staff up to meet organizational needs. It was noted there were a number of vacancies. We had temporary positions and we are a great Training Ground for other cpas and so we have had quite a bit of turnover in the Clean Power Program because people get great experience and theres a proliferation of ccas throughout the bay area. Thats our be vancancy rate. Our budget director, laura bush. We cant hear you. I think youre on mute, miss bush. Sorry. Good morning. Im laura bush, the budget director of the sfpu c. There has been a massive impact on clean power search f. There are many positions in the process of being hired and earlier this year, they were put on hold due to the emergency. Were ramping that back up and we have a plan to staff up the program over the coming year. And what do they do to that, staffing newspaper. Up . We took a look at the hiring plan and which positions we intended to hire over the year and came to a compromise over a slight increase to our attrition rate to reflect that. So this will look better next year . Yes. And why were you underspending on marketing . This is a high priority and for a number of reasons, we are not a monopoly and have a bunch of new positions. Were going to be really trying to fully expend our marketing dollars over the coming year. This tthis is another area where have to have Difficult Conversations about the budget in the coming years. Because you havent been spending you on marketing and were holding you at that level. Can we hear from the bla about this . Chair yes, bla, mr. Goncher. Yes, im with the budget and legislative analyst office. Just with regards to the attrition, we did generously estimate what would be appropriate attrition on the Clean Power Programs own hiring schedule. With regard to the marketing, we saw professional Services Contracts were increased significantly, the development and marketing. They scaled that back and did not increase the source of funding. My understanding is that the Marketing Budget is still increasing, but not increasing as much. This is juliet with external affairs and i would jump in to reinforce what our budget director and agm sandler said and i think it really is in response to the question around marketing, so as we went back and forth with the bla budget, you know, director of communications who oversees that entire program was very engaged to defend the dollars, to really reflect the fact that theres a lot of marketing that suggests required by law with these Clean Power Programs and even the fundamental equal o and the numf notices that go out and the number of people that are moving and that the feedback that weve gotten that we fully agree needs to happen with regards to more robust, innovative ways because our director of the budget describes, were not a monopoly, were with water and waste water and people have choices to opt out of the Clean Water Program and we were in the exact position you are with regards to just an awareness and understanding that marketing for this type of program is extremely program for us to be able to retain customers as well as to grow the program. And do it with language, access and all of the other thanks are extremely important for us. Yeah, i will i know that our chair is deeply familiar with the clean power sf program and cares a lot about it. And so this gives me concern, but if she is feeling that this will allow this program to expand in the ways that it needs to, then, you know, i guess i can accept this, but im a little worried about the state of it. Chair supervisor mandleman, that in our last discussions, you know, we have pushed back a little bit on the puc about the markets and actually, actually,k they presented a fabulous marketing plan. Not only that, i think theyve made great gains and so i have faith with this budget and the way its designed that they actually can continue that progress. Any other questions or comments from my colleagues . I think were in general agreement with the bla recommendations. So i would like to tell the Controllers Office to please take note that this committees intentions is to accept the bla recommendation for this department. Thank you very much and next we have the department of Public Health. And dr. Grant kolfax and his team. The floor is yours. Good afternoon. In this era of the covid19 pandemic which is also highlight, we continue to focus on our priorities of addressing health improve equities, Behavioral Health and further with regard to the complicating factors of implications of climate change, i am pleased to say that we are in cu concurrene with the blas report and we would like to thank the bla staff in working with our team to reach that agreement. I know that there have been some conversations with regard to the reinvestments from the Public Safety funds with regard to putting those dollars into a reserve. We would strongly prefer those not to be put in a reserve in order to allow those resources to get to the communities who need them most. Thank you and were here to take any additional questions. Chair supervisor ronen. Thank you. I wanted to talk to you about Mental Health assess. And so, supervisor mandelman, hainey and i have been having side conversations with your team, dr. Kolfax, your Behavioral Health team, as well as your finance team, about making changes to the plans for Mental Health health sf so that the street Response Crisis Team could be increased by two from four to six and so that the Mental Health Health Center could operate 24 hours a day. My understanding where we are at right now or mr. Wagner, please try to clarify, is that we are going since were balancing the whole budget on the assumption that the gross, receipts will pass, there is onetime money in that budget for capital repairs that well be able to use to transform the Behavioral Health Access Center into the division of the Mental Health assess Service Center and because we assumed that in the original budget you have for Mental Health sf that 8 million would come from the general fund in order to fund those capital repairs, your team has been able to spread that 8 million out into operations so that we could make those changes that i just discussed. My understanding and, greg, it would be good for you to confirm or deny, my misunderstand, based on our back and forth, is that we would still be short an additional 763,480 and greg and i can have a conversation about whether or not thats the right figure right now. And ill explain how i got to that number. Im hoping we can have that conversation now and im first wanting to ask mr. Wagner if he can confirm these numbers and let me walk you through how i got to this deficit that we have in the first year. So what mr. Wagner has been able to do is to get us to a point where by using that 8 million in capital dollars that was originally from the general fund but that were instead going to take from proxy capital dollars should it pass, we are in the first year and im looking at the spreadsheet that mr. Wagner sent me that in the first year of the budget, we have a 9,784,151 surplus. In the second year be we have a 9,247,631 deficit. And so, my first question is, are you able to take that surplus from the first year and use it to cover the deficit in the second year . I hope im explaining myself. Im greg wagner and so weve been in conversations, it looks like, and ben rosenfield, the controller may want to Say Something, but weve been in conversations with the Controllers Office and the Mayors Office and it looks like that is technically possible to appropriate onetime cover the onetime cost with the onetime funding, which would leave savings in the first year. And as you said, then that would potentially be available to cover the second year and youre probably getting there, but i think the outstanding question then becomes not as a technical question but a policy issue for the mayor and board of supervisors on the third year, where we would have a deficit after the second year being adopted. Yes, so lets take this one step at a time because we need to catch the rest of the Budget Committee with the rest of the conversations weve been having. But let me just make sure i can understand it so we can catch them up. So, therefore, i just sent you indiscernible . You had sent me an email i dont know why im getting that feedback. If this plan goes into effect which i will explain to the entire committee as soon as i understand it, then we still have a 763,480 gap in the first year of budget. Do you agree with me on that point, greg . And if you do, then i can explain it but if you dont, then im still confused. So here is how the math works. Over the three years, if we do the swap that we just described, using onetime funds for the capital expense, that takes us to a twoyear surplus of 536 thoughted. Thats right. Over the two years. And then the cost of the additional is 1. 3 million. Im trying to do the math on the fly. If i can help you out, the cost of adding the. 5 team would be is. 3 million and so if you subtract 536,520 from 1. 3 million, we get 763,480. Let me just take a look here. 1. 367 million would be the additional cost and so thats very close. I think i had given you a rounded number. Got it. But were on the safe page where were at. Yeah. Thats the important thing. So the policy question before us, then and i have some ideas and questions for you on how we would cover that 763 plus gap that we have to get to. But the overall broad policy question before us is if we are ready to take a leap and fully implement Mental Health sf with this 24hour crisis team Mental Health Service Center going into effect this year, which is what gives me comfort red reducing te Police Budget, because we need a team with expertise working 24 hours a day addressing the Mental Health crisis on the street, we can fund it in years one and two fully, assuming the gross receipt tax passes. We have a problem in year three where that onetime money that were going to get from prop c, that well get in one fell swoop, that were using a bunch of that money in order to fund the full implementation of the Mental Health sf in year one and two will be used up. So what that will mean is that in year three, which were not dealing with in this budget, but we need to be cognizant with for the future, we would have an 11 million gap. Is that right . Yes, it is. An 11 million gap. Closer to 12, but yes. Ok, not in the spreadsheet you just gave me, but i believe you. Between 11 and 12 million gap. And so, the reason that i think we should move forward despite having to fill that gap in the future is because we are under so much uncertainty. We have the salary tax on the budget. We have the gross receipts tax on the budget and both of those two Revenue Generating measures will, if they pass, will bring in enough money to cover that 11 million gap. When we passed Mental Health sf unanimously, the mayor wrote us a letter promising to fully fund Mental Health sf if theres new revenue coming in to the city. And those two would be the new revenue coming in. Now, if one or both of these dont pass, were going to be redoing the whole budget anyway. Because our entire budget is predicated on the fact that this gross receipts is going to pass. So when were redoing the entire budget anyway, we can then redo Mental Health sf. And so i feel comfortable starting the process if in november, the gross receipts tax doesnt pass and we readdress the entire budget, we can readdress Mental Health sf with it and then well also know if the salary tax passes. So that is my desire and recommendation for this budget and would ask the support of my colleagues on this. And then after we get passed this point, we still have another point which is how to fill this 763,000 deficit in the first year. And i want to ask questions to dph about that, but before that, i wanted to see if theres any questions from my colleagues on this first point and im sorry this is so confusing. Please tell me if i can make it easier to understand. Chair president yee. In terms of trying to ramp up for this Additional Team, i guess yes. So the idea would be that they would be up and running or this Additional Team would be up and running when . please stand by . You know, if the optimistic math goes right, at least we will be able for say that were trying to redirect all 21,000 of those calls. And i kind of think if this goes well, it may be that in the future we do need to add maybe even another team. But this is like a first cut at what it would take to have all 21,000 of those calls at least have the First Response being Police Officers, which i think as a moral matter and a matter of you are speaking correctly for me. I think something that we must do and we must find the funding for it somewhere, somehow it is imperative. Commissioner yee im not questioning the value of this. I get that part. Im trying to get to the budget part of it. You dont have to convince me. I guess supervisor ronen, as you alluded to, theres a lot of assumptions in this budget. And im going to support it. And so im trying to like figure out the timing of all this stuff. Commissioner haney can i can i finish explaining the timing for you. Just really quickly. What we learned yesterday from the Fire Department is that theyre currently working on the floor team. If we put this money in the budget for them, that they will have the additional two teams up and running by february or march of next year. Okay. So i think i feel a little more comfortable with your proposal, knowing that we probably have some time to back off off of that and find some other money. If in november, you know, its not going to work, thats all i want to get to. Then im a lot more willing to support what youre saying. I wanted to clarify the joint program with fire in this extremely important program. It is a priority for the department. We are working to get it scaled up as kickly quickly as possible. We have not identified Behavioral Health staff for implementation. The Crisis Response teams are very understaffed with current demands and working hard with fire to find additional staff and hire them to do the work. I just wanted to clarify that. Commissioner fewer thank you. So supervisor ronen, if i may ask, so were trying to get these two Additional Teams up and running by february. And the budget part by march, right. And the cost of the Additional Teams is what again . Commissioner ronen frank, do you know the answer to that . Commissioner fewer or mr. Rosenfeld or somebody knows the cost of the additional two teams were trying to get up and running. We have the funding for the four teams. Were looking for funding for the two teams, is that correct . Yeah. Commissioner ronen go ahead, greg. The difference between the four teams and the the four teams proposed in the mayors budget and the full team is one second here. Im sorry. Commissioner fewer youre kind of breaking up. Pardon me. Through the chair, jenny the c. F. Op. The cost one Additional Team for the Crisis Response is about 1. 8 million. So if we were looking at two teams, it would be about 3. 6 million, 3. 7 million for an additional two teams. On top of the four that were assumed in the madam chair budget. Commissioner fewer thats great. The cost of the two Additional Teams would be 3. 7 million. Supervisor ronen, is that the number youre working off of . Commissioner ronen now i just got confused. Greg is telling us. 5 teams is 1. 367 million. I can clarify that. The number that miss louie just gave you is a full year. But when one of a fullyear plus, a partial year and the first year. I think were talking about theres per year and then theres the cost over the twoyear. The cost of two teams for the two years is actually 5 commissioner fewer could you give me that number again. The twoyear budget cycle is how much . Im sorry. You were kind of going in and out. Okay. The cost of the two teams over the twoyear budget cycle is 5,470,771. And so thats a partial year in the first year. Well, its a full year in the second year. Commissioner fewer supervisor ronen, is that the amount that you come up with also . Commissioner ronen great question. Let me ask one more question. When does it when does the first year, when does that start for these numbers . In that figure it is halfway through the year. Commissioner ronen oh, i see. So this starts halfway through the fiscal year . Correct. Commissioner ronen so encarnacion what month . So january . Commissioner fewer mr. Wagner, are you looking from january 2021 . January of fiscal year 2021. So this coming january. Yeah. Commissioner fewer fiscal year your calculation is in fiscal year january 2021, is that correct . Correct. Now were getting into the second part of this discussion, how were going to fill the 763,000 debt. And one way is that we know that these teams are not going to get up and running. I think its safe to say, because we need the hiring and training side on the first part and the hiring and training part on d. P. H. s part. I think thats going to be a heavy lift for these four teams we need right now. I would feel comfortable starting them in march. So if we started them in march, how much would it bring down that 763,480 debt . 900,000. Commissioner fewer you would save about 900,000 . Correct. Commissioner fewer i think, supervisor, ronen, it looks like budget deficit. Okay. And were you and again once the records, i think this is hard for listening public actually to follow. Commissioner ronen i think so. Commissioner fewer so supervisor ronen, what youre saying now is that we would be saving so we now are asking mr. Wagner for a calculation between march 2021 and the end of the fiscal year 2022, is that correct . Commissioner ronen no. The end of the fiscal year 2021. Correct, greg . Commissioner fewer the end of the fiscal year 2021 . Yeah. So march of 2021. So about seven, eight months from now. Commissioner fewer okay. And president yee, did you have your hand up . Commissioner yee yeah. I mean, if these tax measures do pass, is there still a deficit . Im trying to if theres enough funding to fund it fully, can we then bring it back to, you know, for january . Commissioner ronen i can explain that. So the mayor has fully funded has fully funded the implementation of the additional beds as, you know, a flow as determined by the doctor has planned. She has fully funded the implementation of the office of coordinated care. The two things that she didnt fully fund, but significantly funded, were the Crisis Response team. She funded for, not the six that we need. And she only funded she funded the Mental Health Service Center with some hours during the weekends and some extended hours during the week, but not 24 hours. So what we would have to do, if the gross receipts doesnt pass, is were going to have to go back to her original budget, which i would be comfortable doing. I mean, we dont have a choice, right. So basically what supervisor mandelman, haney and i have been able to do during this budget, with the incredible help of the fiscal team and the Bay Area Health team at d. P. H. Weve had tons of meetings about this offline. Weve been able to take again that 8 million in capital upgrades that are need and theyve been able to use that for the first two years of ongoing costs, of the operational costs. We have a cliff in the third year that were going to have to figure out next budget year how to fund. And im saying we can figure that out and we have revenue, if those two things pass. If they dont, so lets say the gross receipts if the gross receipts passes, well deal with it next budget year. And maybe have to have a special hearing on it. About the gross receipts doesnt pass, we have to redo this whole budget and go back to where what the mayor funded for Mental Health s. F. Yee im commissioner yee im actually suggesting we be more aggressive with the timing, if it passes. Im not and supervisor mandelman said no, because why . Commissioner mandelman because they dont believe they can staff up enough just to move any faster. If supervisor ronen and haney and i could get these six teams on the ground tomorrow, i think that we would be pushing for a budgetary solution that would allow that to happen. But i think that theres a feasibility problem in terms of hiring and training, staffing, all the stuff that has to go into place. What we heard from the team is really and they think this is aggressive. Theyre going to do everything they can to get four up and running by the end of this calendar year. Great. And then if we get them more money, they will move as quickly as they can to get two more up and running. Honestly thats going to take until march or april of next year. All of these are im just going to imagine, although i imagine theyre aggressive. So i think were being i dont think we can push the staff. I dont think we would say we want to fully fund this in january. Because i dont think were going to fully fund this in january. Commissioner fewer yeah. I think we heard yesterday from the Fire Department commissioner yee i was trying to be helpful and give you more money. Commissioner fewer thank you. Commissioner mandelman thank you, president yee. Commissioner fewer what we heard from the Fire Department yesterday, they were reluctant to over promise. You know what i mean. We have mr. Rosenfeld i believe he has a process suggestion. Good afternoon. I was simply going to suggest, we certainly understand the proposal that supervisor ronen have outlined. Its a complicated set of amendmentamendments that you nee to make this happen to the budget. I was going to suggest that we can prepare with Public Health what the amendments look like and then bring it back to you at a subsequent meeting for your consideration and action. It does involve rearranging sources and uses in a pretty complicated way. And it also changes appropriations if different fiscal years, which may require growing the budget in some cases. So kind of decreasing in one year and increasing for another. There may be pieces of this ma the Mayors Office needs to work with. We hope to be done with this process, you know, by next wednesday. I am happy, though, to have this item come back on wednesday for further discussion. But it will have to be a quick discussion. This will not be a full discussion. This will be a proposal of what we discussed today. And that we will have to vote on it. Okay. So its just that we want the process not to linger on. I think that we have a commitment to end it by midnight on wednesday. And i think all of us are looking forward to that. So if i could make that suggestion. I think it would be great. I think that we have a couple of other items, Public Health, are you in agreement with the rest of the recommendations from the b. L. A. . Yes, we are. Commissioner fewer okay. Thats great. I would also say, yes, supervisor ronen. Commissioner ronen thank you so much. I just i just really wanted to appreciate everyone. You know, i have been working on Mental Health s. F. For a couple years now. And i think we all got off to a really shaky start, where supervisor mandelman, the mayor and supervisor haney and i were not all on the same page. And the doctor and the health department. And i just want to appreciate everyone so much, because we are now all on the same page. We are now working together in a collaborative, incredible way. We all have the same end goal, the same, you know, vision of how were going to get there. And i want to just really appreciate the mayor for really not only keeping to her promise that she made to us, but doing so in the worst budget year ever. That she funded the vast majority of Mental Health s. F. And then i want to thank supervisor mandelman, who re we started off not agreeing on this to working together and coming together and advocating to really just push it to the end and get it all implemented. And then the Incredible Team at the department of Public Health, who has met with us more times than i can count to figure this all out. And, you know, greg is always just incredible. Hes been incredible since the first day i met you, when you were budget director, mr. Wag wagner. I appreciate you so much. You know, mr. Colfax and doctor and the whole team, theyre getting us through a Global Pandemic and yet have still prioritized this. And i just feel the biggest amount of gratitude to you all. And i cant tell you how happy i am to be working on the same page. And i know were going to be successful because of it. So thank you, everyone. Commissioner fewer thank you very much. I missed supervisor mandelman in the queue. My apology. Commissioner mandelman asking about the details of the b. L. A. Report. I do share supervisor ronens excitement about this. And it makes me feel like theres alignment here. I do feel honestly like, you know, supervisor ronen is an ass kicker and some ass needed some kicking. And i think, you know, it does feel like were moving in a better direction. And i do think, you know, people came at this from different places. And but in a lot of ways i think there was alignment underlyre lining a lot of it. I think as different people have come to understand the knowledge and what different people are seeing different pieces of this. The workers at the front line at s. F. General are seeing this in a very different way from administrators who have to make it work, seeing it in a different way from constituents, seeing it in a different way from people who are spearser who are experiencing the system. I think what supervisor ronen and haneys effort has led to is all of these different voices getting heard and coming together. And i think a lot of people have worked really hard on this consensus. You know, i think you know, i feel really good about it. So, you know, and as supervisor ronen pointed out, our Global Health department, although we are frustrated with it often in many ways, is doing extraordinary, extraordinary things right now. Has done extraordinary things in the past, continues to do extraordinary things now. And this stuff is really hard. And if we figure it out, well be able to beat ourselves up a little bit less, because well be a model for everybody else. Nobody is doing this stuff well i dont think in Public Health systems in the United States. So but with that i do want to ask the mundane questions of the b. L. A. Cuts. Because i worry about cuts to Public Health. I know if theyre saying yes, i want to understand whats being lost. My questions about d. P. H. 4, d. P. H. 7, and d. P. H. 8. And d. P. H. 9. So i worry about cutting i. T. For a department that has such terrible when the b. L. A. Itself has pointed out the ethic implementation and other things. Whats going on with the d. P. H. Recommendation for and why should i not be worried about that . That might be for dan. Sure. Supervisor mandelman, so we did conduct an analysis of the centralized i. T. Projects budget. We looked at the previous expenditures as well as what they were planning to do. In our assessment, we decided to recommend a reduction of 480,000 to reflect the Program Budget that the department was actually [indiscernible] commissioner mandelman all right. We all recognize they need to do a ton of work on the i. T. And this is about as much as they can get done in the next year. And d. P. H. Is basically accepting that . Correct. Commissioner mandelman okay. Then since d. P. H. 7 is reducing the budget allocated for [indiscernible] by 800,000 to reflect spending. Can you say just a little bit more about what that means. Sure. We looked at typically 1819 actual expenditures, as well as 1920 projected, even though the year is over. Because were at the yearend, still yearend closings. We did based on that we did a projection of their underspending historically on the professional and specialized services. And they we found the department was under spending these. When we make the reductions, we always leave some cushion. We dont cut it to the bone. So we felt like this was a reasonable reduction to make in the line items to reflect what their actual spending is. Commissioner mandelman okay. D. P. H. Is accepting that. I will accept that. The last question i have, im going to skip d. P. H. 8, because it is a small relatively small amount. My colleagues are here to move on to other things, right, chair fewer. I do want to at least touch on d. P. H. 9, because i do feel like the work of the director of Mental Health has really been valuable to the Mental Health s. F. Process. They work parallel efforts. But i think [indiscernible] as i was starting to understand some of the i hope this is not offensive, brokenness in Behavioral Health services that i thought she needed a point person who was going to be like shaking you know, poking around and looking at everything and understand what wasnt working. And i dont know. They might well have done it without that suggestion. But they did it and i was glad they did it. I think that the dr. Lucy bland has come up with some really valuable information for Mental Health s. F. And has informed all of us about 4,000 folks who are out on the streets, who have these different diagnosis, there was not coordination between d. P. H. And d. H. D. Getting if the highest users prioritized for housing and shelter. And now in doing the modeling study, which again i think underestimates the need. But is at least finally something more than a feeling about what bed as we need to increase. So i dont want to lose that work. And i want to understand what is being lost by taking a hundred thousand dollars 500,000 out of that pot . Appreciate that. We dont believe anything will be lost. This was a problematic budget. They received funding to begin the Mental Health s. F. Before the measure passes. Theyll have such a short time to spend the funding, because its through november. And so the department in discussions about this, the department was comfortable reducing the funding by 100,000, due to the limited amount of time to actually spend the funds. Commissioner mandelman maybe for the department, what is the money getting used for . Through the chair, these dollars were essentially as part of mayor breeds Mental Health reform project. We received two years of project funding, while the doctor actually conducted hits work along with some Staff Members and dollars to support the analytical work that hes doing. It was only meant to be a twoyear project and the funding was budgeted to end at the end of this current fiscal year 2021. And to be clear, we are not reducing his work or his services. But we are going to transition some of the work to operations instead. And reducing the reliance on project funding for their support. Its a shift of funding supportses to this project to operating. And there will be were just going to start that transition earlier in this fiscal year, because we do need to find a solution of more important work that he and his staff are doing. So we agreed for this onetime reduction and to start that shift earlier. But in short your concerns, we do not want the work to end. We find it valuable. And we are trying to continue it in a different way. Commissioner mandelman i have definitely as i said, appreciated having actual data and someone actually looking at whats going on in the system. Thats incredibly important as Critical Care gets stood up. And as we look to be making smart investments. It has to be gathering data, measuring it, and seeing where its needed. So, all right. Im satisfied. Thanks, everyone. Thanks to the b. L. A. And d. P. H. And im done. Chair fewer thank you very much. And so i see supervisor walton in the queue. Commissioner walton thank you, chair fewer. I will be very quick. I just want to thank the department for the reductions and also want to thank dr. Colfax for speaking about what i was going to also address. And just make sure that we do the same thing we did with oewd yesterday and not place the 36 million in funding for the investment of the black community on reserve. I want to appreciate dr. Colfax for also mentioning his support for that. Keeping in mind we do have a blueprint for how were going to make sure that this body has the opportunity to provide oversight with the report of proposed expenditures and updates on the process to expend funds. And i just want to again say thank you to the department and i hope my colleagues low pressure grant the same opportunity, so we can get the money in the community quickly. And appropriately. Thank you. Chair fewer the budget legislative analyst like to speak on that, the particular recommendations . Sure, chair fewer. This is as supervisor walton alluded to, this is a very similar to our recommendation that was presented yesterday on the office of economic and workforce development. This is a recommendation number is d. P. H. 25 on page 10 of our report. It is to put 36 million of the Public Safety reinvestment initiatives on budget and finance committee reserves. Its part of a larger 120 million reinvestment. We did recommend that as a way that the budget and finance committee and the board of supervisors could exercise more oversight over the [indiscernible] chair fewer okay. Supervisor walton, do you have a recommendation on how to ensure oversight . As yesterday we set a report. For this situation what i would ask, Public Health is coming back to us next wednesday. If you could also think about a measure that would give the assurance to the board that theres some oversight and present that, along with your recommendations to take this out of the recommendations from the b. L. A. Are not to adopt the recommendations, to hold it in reserve. That would be a very good process to abide by for our next wednesdays discussion. So well be voting on that along with that. If you could bring forth to our committee a suggestion about language around having some oversight. I think you heard everything that we said yesterday applied through to this. And i think theres probably a compromise we can come to, that also meets your desires. Would that be amenable to you, supervisor walton . Commissioner walton yes. Chair fewer i do have one question for Public Health. On the Committee Meeting of february 2019ing the contract for Westside Community Mental Health center came before us. And we had much discussion on it. WestSide Community Health Center is the main provider of Mental Health services for the Africanamerican Community in the fillmore district. The Westside Community Mental Health center the b. L. A. Had questions about it. Because actually it didnt meet a lotter it wasnt scoring very high actually on the standards and the metrics of the standards. So the answer to that was that Public Health said we will then lower the amount of patients that they will see, in order lower their case load to meet their ability to, knowing we had great need for Mental Health services for africanamericans in San Francisco. Knowing that this is a mental there are always 100 of their population that they serve are africanamericans. And also they serve adult and youth and there is not another service in that area or perhaps even on the west side that actually does these services. I pushed back on the department of Public Health to say it is not enough to say that you will actually lower the amount of deliverables that they will have to deliver and actually lower the case load. In fact, it is the responsibility of the department of Public Health to provide infrastructure support to provide the demand, because there is a great demand. I would like an update on that a. I would like to know what procedures have been followed. Are they taking the case load that we originally had wanted them to perform. We now there was great need. I have not seen anything actually as an update to this. So again this is the februar february 2019 budget. Yeah. Budget Committee Meeting about west Side Community Health Center. I know that i did not bring this to you forward before. But if since were meeting next wednesday, i would actually love an update about what we are doing to help the west Side Community Mental Health center. And also are they at full capacity now. And if they are not at full capacity now, why not and what kind of supports are we going to be giving them. Then also since were meeting back again next wednesday, i have brought up the issue of our black infant mortality rate, something thats been haunting me for the last four years in office. And will continue to haunt me probably for the rest of my life. So i would like actually to know are there any resources put toward thissest. When i heard that much of the resources is philanthropy, it is absolutely appalling and unacceptable. I think Public Health is such a large budget. I would just like to know that we are starting a real effort okay. Just to be frank. Our africanamerican population is so small in San Francisco. The fact that our black infant mortality rate 9. 1 deaths per 1,000 compared to 2. 9 deaths of white children. This is quite frankly this is a nut that we can crack. This is something that we can solve. We cant solve it until we actually have a plan and a commitment. And that means not philanthropy dollars, of people giving out of the goodness of their heart. This is about a general fund. Because quite frankly the wages of san franciscans i think the department is funded by the taxes and wages of workers of San Francisco. And i think actually that the workers of San Francisco would like us to crack the nut. And so i would love for you to bring back to me next wednesday when we have a very short conversation about a plan or some resources that are put forwarforwardtoward it. Having said that, i just want to say i really want to commend supervisor ronen and supervisor mandelman for being the leads on the Mental Health s. F. Issue here and the mayor, too. I think this is what we can accomplish when were all working together, putting our city dollars to solve a problem thats affecting all san franciscans today. It is immoral that we would have this type of Mental Illness on the streets untreated. And actually i think that it is what is it is a concern in every neighborhood in San Francisco. And not just in 9 and not just in 8. So i do want to thank them. And actually its so nuance. And it is so deep that it is hard for me to wrap my mind around it. And so i lean on the guidance of these two supervisors. And i will say exactly the way in the same way that i lean on supervisor yee about Early Childhood providers and also Early Childhood education, because everyone has a little area in expertise. I do want to thank you so much. As i leave this board, it is really great knowing that youre working together on this, with the mayor also, and that we can actually, actually make some success. So i want to thank you. Now im going to check the time. It is 11 40 now. I would like to break at noon. We would like to start our Police Discussion at 12 30 until 2 00. The police chief must leave at 2 00. And so i think the quickest thing that we can do is we could start h. S. A. Right now or we could actually also take a smaller maybe a faster one, which is the port. Do you think that supervisors, have you reviewed the b. L. A. Report for h. S. A. And have any comments or questions for them . I think no. Thats great. I just want to say thank you, Public Health officials, for coming and joining us today. Well see you back next wednesday. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Chair fewer thank you. H. S. A. We have trent moore with us today. What do you say about your budget and the proposed cuts for the Human Services agency . Good morning. Good morning. Its still morning. Executive director of i am services. We are in agreement with the b. L. A. s report and accepting their recommendations. Chair fewer thank you very much, mr. Moore. Any questions or comments for mr. Moore . Seeing none. Mr. Controller, can you please take note of the committees intention to accept the b. L. A. s recommendations. Thank you very much. I think we might be able to take the port now. Representatives from the port available . San francisco port, are you available . Yes, chair fewer, this is nate cruise, finance director. And then the Deputy Director of finance and administration should also be able to join in a minute. Chair fewer thank you very much. Thank you, mr. Cruise. What do you say about the recommendations from the b. L. A. . Were in agreement with the b. L. A. s recommendations, chair. Chair fewer thank you very much. Do you have any comments or questions for the port, colleagues . Seeing none, okay. I think that we a reserve recommendation also. So the reserve recommendation this is a policy recommendation to place a port economic Recovery Project on the budget and finance committee. I just questioned mr. Cruise. I know that you do have a Recovery Project plan, is that correct . Chair fewer, at this point we have the funding set up in a project. Chair fewer okay. What we dont have is a spending plan. So we agree that the budget analysts recommendation that we can come back and provide that plan and ask for the release of those funding that funding at that point. Chair fewer thank you, mr. Cruise. So seeing no comments or questions from my colleagues, i think that we are in agreement. Mr. Controller, can you please take note, this committees intentions to set the budget recommendation and recommendation number 6 from the b. L. A. For this department. Thank you very much. Next we have is the airport. Do we have joining us today . Mr. Sataro or kathy widener, our friend that we see all the time. Anyone from the airport here . Yes, chair fewer. Hi. Chair fewer hi. I can tell you that were in agreement with the budget Analysts Recommendations and ivan will be jumping on in one minute. Chair fewer okay. We are in agreement with the budget Analysts Recommendations. Chair fewer okay. Thats great. I have one question, though. And this is about your airport staffing for San Francisco Police Officers. As you know, were been having a robust conversation on how we can actually get more Police Officers on the streets of San Francisco, without actually hiring more. Knowing that the airport has a whole staffing plan of Police Officers for security there at the airport. And so i think that the questions that we have for the director today is really about the need for such a robust security staff. And also for your dependence on the San Francisco Police Department to really to provide these services. As you know, weve been having discussions about academies and i realize that one of the academies part of the academies that you have budgeted for, is really for the airport. We i think i speak for some of my members on this committee, have been locking at the Airport Police budget for some time now. And wondering why there is such a robust budget of Police Officers and not only that, considering that the airport is going to be operating at a much, much lower capacity. And also the arrest records and Everything Else dont really show that actually thats needed at that level. So i actually am going to have a hard time approving your budget at the committee and this is why. Because i would like really an analysis of your need to have such a Robust Police force there. And command staff when in the past there hasnt been such. And actually the rest, the activities dont really justify it. And in when your airport is actually going to be at what, 30 capacity, why would you . Like would you and why would you have another academy . And also knowing that i have brought up the suggestion and president yee has also brought this up, about maybe the use of deputy sheriffs. We know county jail number 4 is closing, well have 70 deputy sheriffs. They are Law Enforcement officers in the state of california, having passed having all the Actual Authority of any peace officer in california. And so im just questioning sort of the level. I see the director has met has joined us. Im hoping that you have heard my questions. So i think what i would like to hear is sort of a justification of why you would need a whole command staff at the San Francisco airport and such a robust Police Department out there. When your airport is at much, much, much less capacity. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, chair fewer. I appreciate it. Good to see you all, president yee, members of the board. Good to be with you this morning. Let me supervisor say that, yeah, we have depleted passenger loads now. Thats certainly not going to last. Ill tell you. You know, we still have different recovery scenarios. And under all scenarios, we do get back to 58 million passengers on the outside in the next two to three years. So, yes, now its depressed. And i understand your point about that and the need for the number of officers we have. But were going to return and were going to continue to grow because of the assets at s. F. O. For air travel to the bay area, to the world. What we did three years ago, ill tell you when i started in this job, ill give you a little context. I wont take too much time. My number one priority is around the safety of our passengers and, of course, the safety of our employees. And so i was concerned about the target that airports have been in the past, the terrorist threat. And youve seen it at l. A. And youve seen it in florida, with active shooter incidents. And ill tell you when i walked around the airport after taking on the role of director, i was very concerned about a visible presence. And the most important thing you can do for a security of an airport is to have a visible presence. Everything we do is around the safety and security of our passengers and employees. And so we do an incredible amount of investment in hard hardening of facilities, a lot of studies and vulnerabilities. I felt like what we needed to do in this environment that were living in now, is have a stronger visible presence. Because to be honest when i walked around the facility, i did not see the officers, because theres so much acreage to cover and they have so many different roles here. And so what i did was ask the team to go back and rebaseline and acknowledge that this is prior to the crisis. But we baseline what the security needs of the airport are. And really be thoughtful about it and the priority being safety and security, which is our highest core value at the airport. So we developed a model that said this is the staffing needs for the airport. And it came to the conclusion that we needed to ramp up and didnt have enough officers at the airport. And so we had a set a path with budgets over three years to get to a much higher level of officers at s. F. O. I am certainly not judging the value of the officers at s. F. O. , the city of San Francisco. Because i totally understand and ive been following the conversation around the priorities that the city is looking at. And focusing the police in the areas that were looking at now. But airports are a target for terrorist threats, active shooters. On a global world, this is what weve seen happen over the past several years. My interests are in protecting this airport, protecting the passengers, and that is how we proceeded with adopting the model that we developed. So we havent met those milestones of ramping up of the police force at s. F. O. But we still are convinced that were heading in the right direction to have the right security of our airport. Chair fewer im sorry. We have a difference of opinion. I actually think that having a whole command staff there is not necessary. I also think that it is not necessary for them to be San Francisco Police Officers. I think that deputy sheriffs could actually do the same job and give you some cost savings. And im sorry that we that also that the airport chooses to have Police Officers that are not just out of the academy, but actually are tenured. These Police Officers actually should be on the streets of San Francisco. We are going to have, you know, we are looking at a 1. 7 billion deficit in our budget this year. And when i see that the chief has in his proposal, in his budget like four academies, i just think that it is really uncalled for that we would have such a robust force at the San Francisco airport. I dont think that visitors that come know the difference between a San Francisco sheriff and a San Francisco Police Officer. I think that the presence, you can have the presence of a Law Enforcement officer with all the gear on them, which quite frankly everyone universally recognizes a star, a gun, a badge, all the stuff on their belt. I think that if you wanted to keep them safe. Also the Sheriffs Department has a s. W. A. T team and the Sheriffs Department has a dog unit. And so they could actually patrol your airport. So i wanted to know, are you having discussions in this direction . Are you absolutely outright just rejecting the proposal or the suggestion . You know, i think i dont well, first of all, i think that i dont know that the savings are there for this. I cant imagine that for equal work, that theres not going to be the argument that they should have equal pay. Chair fewer okay. Im imagining yeah. Go ahead, sorry. Chair fewer your disagreement with me is that you dont think that theres that much of a cost savings, is that correct . I dont think the savings over time will be to the extent thats indicated, because i think over as the equality of the work, theres going to be potentially the demand for equal pay, thats been paid to the officers that are out there now. So i think theres a case to be made that potentially the Sheriffs Department will want to upgrade their staff to have equal pay at the airport, as to whats being paid now. Chair fewer so thats what youre thinking might happen . And so youre basing this budget on that thought, is that correct . No. Not just that thought. I think other things. You know, were just we have a workforce now that is clearly engaged with the airports operation. It has a very robust understanding of the operation. Deals with travelers from all over the world. The reason we have that requirement around experienced officers is because of the need to deal with an International Travel base. And have a maturity to the work they do. And so i think what we have now very well fits with what our needs are, because of the nuances of being an international airport. I think theres a number of things that, you know, that we as far as the command staff go, we dont specify how the command staff is structured at s. F. O. We leave that certainly up to the Police Department to decide that. And so, you know, my priorities are around area coverages. And weve been continuing to grow s. F. O. And add facilities. And so thats also a reason why youve seen the counts go up, is because we have a hotel, we have an expanded terminal one, we have an extended air train. We have another parking garage. So the needs continue to expand. And i think, you know, we know we have an operation that is focused on the safety and security of the passengers. We know that a transition to a different, although likely equally qualified Law Enforcement force, is just going to be incredibly challenging. Chair fewer so you dont require or ask the Police Department to put a command staff there. If the Police Department was to say, im going to pull the command staff from there, youre fine with that . You know, i leave that up to the judgment of the leadership of the police to decide what is the right command staff to manage the officers that are present. Chair fewer sure. Well be speaking to him at 12 30. But i see that your airport budget for the the Police Airport budget for 20202021 is 80 million, is that correct . The change from 2019 to 2020. And then it goes up again in 20212022. So what . You just keep increasing . I mean, we know this is also not based on wage increases, because theyre willing to defer their wage increases for how many years. So this is actual bodies out there. What is your plan . What is your cap for that . Is it your plan to actually have like double your police force out there . What is the actual plan for the airport around security . And do you intend to just increase keep increasing the Police Presence at the San Francisco airport . You know, that was our plan prior to the crisis, as we do as i have spoke about, was we had baselined the needs of the airport, based on all of the redevelopment and everything weve done. And in the light of, the new environment around security at airports and some of the recent occurrences at other airports around active shooter incidents. Certainly we need to balance that now with the covid crisis and how impactful its been to everyones budget and revenues. And so we have i dont believe we are asking for any more positions in our revised budget. Do i have kathy, are you able to talk to that . Or is kevin on the line . Hello, kevin chief Financial Officer for the airport. We dont have more positions in the budget. We are again just basing our budget on the academy. Right now we have in the academy thats going right now, we have 17 officers that are training. And in addition to the 17, theyve agreed with the police chief to hold off on having more officers come down to the point that you just made, because of our decreased traffic level. To date, right now we are short 28 officers. Chair fewer how many officers do you have there . I dont have that number right now. But ill get it to you. Chair fewer okay. So i see supervisor walton in the queue. Supervisor walton. Commissioner walton thank you very much, chair fewer. Welcome director sataro. Just one thing i do note most airports and definitely applies to s. F. O. , have several different numbers of Law Enforcement agencies at the airport. U. S. Customs, border protection, t. S. A. , department of homeland security, fbi, department of agriculture, bureau of tobacco, firearms and explosives. How many different Law Enforcement agencies do we have at s. F. O. . On any given day . Yeah. Youve put together a pretty good list there, supervisor. The publicfacing municipal policing is all done by sfpd. We do have San Mateo County sheriffs, i believe we have two assigned San Mateo County sheriffs. And then you go into your customs and border protection. They are their role is confined to the arrivals process and the departures process for international traffic. And then, of course, we have a t. S. A. We also have our federal air marshals. So there is a variety of Law Enforcement operations like you described, all with their very kind of discreet area of Law Enforcement for the airport. Supervisor walton like between 15 to 20 . What would you say from a numbers standpoint . No. Its seven different agencies. I think seven or eight. Yeah. Supervisor walton and the reason why i ask that, i think you were there, i was arrested during the peaceful protest months ago, prior to covid19. And it was interesting because as i was arrested by some very decent Police Officers, along with about 20 plus or so, each of us had our own officer escorted down where we sat at a table, maybe about 10, 11 officers were also writing citations. And i was looking around and my officer didnt know who i was. He didnt know that i was a member of the board of supervisors. Or at least he didnt lead on to that. And i started noticing so many different officers standing around watching the process. And i asked the officer, i said if all of the officers are down here, then, you know, ho who is watching over the airport. The officer told me he said, oh, dont worry. We have so many different Law Enforcement agencies here that work at the airport. We are well protected. We are safe and we are okay. And that was anecdotal, of course, in a conversation that i had with one officer. But it did put off a light bulb in my head just in times of the number of Police Officers that we have at the airport, versus what we would need in the community, of course, doing Real Community policing. And so that was something that was always peculiar to me, because there are so many different Law Enforcement agencies. That officer felt that the airport was very safe. Chair fewer so i see that you have accepted of course, it is up to every individual member to vote on your budget. So im just going to move this along. Seeing that this is about the b. L. A. s recommendations and im hearing that the airport is accepting the b. L. A. Recommendations, is that correct, director . Yes. Chair fewer so i so mr. Controller, please take note of this committees intentions to accept the b. L. A. Recommendations, budget recommendations for this department. Thank you very much for joining us today. Colleagues, so we will now good job. It is almost noon. We will recess until 12 30, when we will be joined by the chief of police from 12 30 and he must have a hard stop at 2 00. See you all. And mr. Clerk, do we then sign in to session number 2 when we sign back in at 12 30 . Clerk that is correct,. Supervisor mar . The reason i want to start here, its pillars for reform. These five pillars you see redefining the role of local Public Safety, life and the importance of really highlighting the sanctity of life and Community Policing those what our reform are built upon. These are the pillars that our reform is built upon. In their discussion about these pillars complimented our city and our Police Department on the work that is being done here. I think thats something we can be pleased with. There remains to be done in terms of completion of his work. I want to ask this, this work is never complete. We are trying to set ourselves up for that process to be ongoing and never stop these are our stops to progress and sustainability. Which closely mirror what lot of us in the u. S. Conference of mayors report. Theres been lot of studying about this work of reform as you all know. Over half of my professional life has been in reform mode. Some of these things that you see here before you that we are have implemented, they will get us to where we need to go. Whats often missing is after all the lights go away and everybody loses interest, often times many departments and cities lose interest. We cant afford to do that in San Francisco. Thats why we are pushing so hard getting the budgetary support. I want to point pout, reiterate, part of yesterdays discussion. When you had asked about 25 , we add those 13 we told you about yesterday, we expect to be in compliance next couple of weeks. On the lot of side of the graph, 147 are in progress. Thats work thats being done. Thats real ground level work thats being done. I dont want that to get lost in this conversation. If were measured, we know we are measured by what we complete. As i said, completion doesnt mean completion. Every one of those 69 recommendations that are complete, theres a component in our compliance standard to say what have you done to keep the work going. Continuous improving loop in many cases to make sure we continue that work. This work wont end when its complete. I want to highlight that and really emphasize that to this committee. This work will not stop. Outcomes of reform. You saw this slide last friday. I want to reiterate. That top graph on the slide to your left as you face the screen, shows the reduction in uses of force. As you see, its the largest decrease of all the different demographics and that represents approximate 60 decrease around 2016 when this work first started to now. I think that is a significant outcome by no means are we done. We want to see that continue. I want to highlight what success looks like by way of reform. By the way, when you read about reform with other cities, i talked about minute ago keeping that work going, many cities after the lights turned off and everybody satisfied with completion, that number reverse. Most reform projects deadly dealdealt with use of force. Lot of citie city want to see fs taken off reform. We are building the infrastructure and the operational structure where we dont have that. We want to reduce use of force in particular with the africanamerican population. Officerinvolved shooting, were at a low. You have 20 years of statistics in front of you. Were as low as weve been in 20 years. We havent had a fatal if over two years. We want to keep that momentum going. With the two that we have had that are on duty, we will learn our lessons and we will take this into consideration what we need to do to get better. But the fact of the matter is, weve more than cut officerinvolved shootings in half in the last four years. That is a significant accomplishment that highlight the outcome of what reform really means. S this illustrates use of force, trajectory which is downward since the First Quarter of 2016. We are fortunate in the city that we have leadership from the board of supervisors at the time to force us to collect the data to allow us to be able to determine how were doing on this. Were in a good place. Were far ahead of where many cities are. Data, collection of data, how we interpret the data is what reform is all about. Weve had a steadily declining trajectory on use of force from 2016 to now. Another great outcome with reform. I know we talked about crises intervention, Mental Health and the like yesterday. I want to highlight couple of things here. This graph shows number of Mental Health related for the First Six Months of the year. 25,770. Ther25,770. With our crises inten team response, we now have over half of our department trained on the 40 hour block of training and crises intervention technique, we have almost 100 , 98 of department on the hands on practical crises intervention training that almost all our patrol officers about 98 of the department is trained on. That makes a difference. It makes a difference in the Time Investment that are necessary to create time in distance to try to deescalate situation where we dont have to have bad outcomes. From 2019, i want to highlight couple of things, we had 742,000 calls to service. There were 58,840 of these Mental Health calls. Of those there were only 65 calls that resulted use of force. Which is less than 1 . Its. 01 . I can cite where we have been very successful in resolving situations. This is a part of the work that we want to keep going. We talked about staffing. We know the funding of the academy is an issue. We. Understand the board desire to reduce that for the sake of efficiency. We understand the economic positions that the city is facing. We are definitely painfully, we doesnt. What we try to maintain and push for not getting smaller. Not shrinking the size of the department. The purple line shows if we totally cut all of the academies. The purple line, if goes down to 1589 by 2023. Thats projected if we cut all academies. We understand the board has to make a decision. What we like you to consider is at least keeping at least one Academy Class going. That gives us the opportunity to stay close to where we are now. We have a lot of work to be done. Theres a lot of things that can be better attended to. That only comes with adequate staffing. Well do everything we can with what we have at the end of the day. We know that, we are committed to that. Were going to be professional about it. Well take these decisions like professionals. Its our role and my role as chief of police to point out what we think is the consequences will be. One of the consequences we will have a much Smaller Police force, thats already smaller than it should be. We want to reemphasize that for the board consideration. You saw this one last friday. This represents call to service. The important thing is here that number when you look at the color slide on the left, that number in the right corner, that graph, 300,822. Which is the amount of calls to service for 12month period. That was from summer of 18 and summer of 19. This was part of our staffing analysis by the consultant. The right shows our response to priority a and priority b priority c calls. Were not doing bad on priority a calls with response times. We are not doing so good on priority c calls. Thats a direct factor of staffing. As we look for ways to get better and ways to reenvision policing. We ask that consideration to be made in terms of what the transition should look like. Thats what our staffing is in. We know this is a transition year. 207 officers short, field operations, another consideration for staffing and the reason that we are asking for consideration for that one Academy Class to stay on the budget. Violence, another good outcome. Violent crimes. You can see where homicides. This is gun related violence and homicide. Homicides with firearm, year to date homicides. Supervisor walton we talked about this yesterday. I want to put the visual up there where we are. This is year to date, 20152020. Where we are on both shooting victims and homicide. Last year we had the lowest number of homicides since the early 1960s. Thats an accomplishment. We can all share in and being pleased with. Although, work is not done. Were having a rough year this year. Were above where we are this time last year. We hope to turn that around. That is going to take work and investments in the Community Policing and other things. This is a community its not just the Police Department issue. Appreciate and respect your point. I agree with your point supervisor walton this goes beyond police. Part of what we have to do is at least do our job. So we can respond, prevent and investigate crimes. We have had some success in doing that. Not just with us but no conjunction with communitybased organizations which is part of of what Community Policing is all about. Going back to the staffing, all experts and Police Staffing has told us if you have to have time to engage with community, patrol officers have to have time to engage with community. If all youre doing is going from call to call, meeting people at their worse moment from crises to crises, that is not Community Policing. That doesnt promote Community Policing, that undermines Community Policing. You dont have time to engage people that have those meaningful conversations outside of a crises or custodial situation. Experts after expert told us that. Those of us that have been in this business as long as we have, we understand this to be true. I want really to reemphasize that for you all to take that into consideration when youre making your staffing and academy decisions. We really want to keep this work going. We understand the budget. We understand we have to take some pain and sacrifice of cuts. We accept that. But the Core Functions what will make us better, lets do what we can and keep the momentum going. Property crime and Violent Crimes going down. We know coifed i covid is pat of the reason were having with property crime. I know covid, we get it. We were already going down prior to covid. Lets not lose that momentum. That is it. Thank you. My apology joining you late. President yee. I want to clear when i ask the question last week around civilization. You said that if you had the funding, you can hire positions. Youre ready to that. In the past you might say youre right, then theres issues how do you find those positions and what qualifications and then you have to go look for people or recruit people. Do you have Job Descriptions for 4030 positions . Yes, we do. We have the job population. Ewitwe had 45 civilization posis cut. Some of the job populations had to be created. We are ready. There were some issues. We made some progress on that. Were in the process on some of these when we had to freeze the candidates that some we were planning to offer positions of employment. We had internal candidates that wanted to go to some of these positions that were very viable candidates. We had to freeze all of that. Supervisor yee thats good to hear. You can imagine from my point of view, that first field 10 or 20 took a real long time. Theres a lot of discussion about creating the Job Description for those civilization position. I will be glad to hear that. Its going to feed into what i will ill be suggesting for my colleagues to think about. I know we talked about quite a few issues. We talked about overtime quite a bit. Thinking about it since the last discussions, the two meetings we had recently, this is where i will just make a statement and say im comfortable with. Before asking the chief and the Police Department to get rid of those bad cops its really important to bring in younger people that you dont have that lag of not having young Police Officers that trained to work in the city. You will end up with real old excuse me, anybody thats over 40. Not real old but older Police Officers that are not trained that way. The reform becomes more difficult because then you constantly have to remind them that the culture of the Police Department now has changed. Versus bringing in new people all the time and hopefully you would think that the younger newer people would embrace the type of things that we value. I want to throw that out there. Regardless of how many we have. Thats one of my thinking that is important. Im comfortable cutting 50 of the budget. Im comfortable with that. What i like to say, if theres some cost savings with overtime that we can use some of that funding to actually pay for those civilianization positions. I asked those questions earlier because i didnt want to hear excuses. That was important for me to know. I wasnt too sure what the cost will be. Hopefully youll cost it out. That is where im comfortable with. Were going to have a discussion. Im not suggesting that i represent anybody else here. Its where i am. Thank you. Supervisor walton thank you for the presentation, chief. I do want to echo chair fewers statements when she talks about everyone on this Committee Takes this work very seriously. Having to balance out Public Safety and making sure we do the right thing with the budget and also making sure that we dont have folks on our street that want to harm people of color. Its not an easy job for any of us. I know you talked about, you showed us a pie chart for 147 reforms that are in progress. Whats the timeline for completing those . What mechanisms or what strategies are in place to guarantee and ensure they will be met by that timeline . Thank you for that question. We have an active Strategic Plan specifically for those reforms. We anticipate that about 100 of them will be done within the next by string of 2021. 110 will be done by spring of 2021. Beyond that, there are some more difficult ones that are going to take some budgetary support. Technology is a big part of reform. We understand the budget conditions. We havent been able to get budgetary needs to address the technology concerns. How we do it, the internal processes every week we have collaborative reform meeting with the Team Including the command staff, the entire command staff. We call executive sponsors. These are the commanders that lead each reform category. They have a team of people throughout the department that they work. Lot of this work is documenting the work that were doing. Documenting in a way, they can see exactly what reform role looks like in the San Francisco Police Department. We have packets that we send to them and they Read Everything that were doing, that includes policies, procedures and steps we put in place and audit tests that need to be done. All of that is sent to the evaluator. Those things get evaluated. Thats how they determine whether or not we are in compliant. Those meetings are ongoing. We hired a lady from dhr to speed up the process. For those policy, those orders that required by law, they impact the working conditions. We have hired her she now works for the Police Department. That is in the first couple of pages pays tremendous dividends. Weve gotten several confirmed just in the first few months. Theyre ready to go to the Police Commission. That took a year for us to do that. You can talk about why things take as long as they do. Thats part of the reason. We had personnel decisions that we have to get approval for and things like that. Not an excuse but trying to explain the process. Another thing were working on, this impacts some of our discussion yesterday, 2017, the board approved a budget that included funding to put out a contract to help us get a better handle and strategy on addressing homicide and shootings. That accurate contract was awarded to the California Department of community. Then working on strategies to address these homicides while at the same time, not going back to the way the old where we addressed everything by arresting as many people as we could. Its a thoughtful process. We already engaged in that process. Weve seen some good modeling from other cities around the bay area that theyve worked with. We have an m. O. U. With them. We have a Police Commission presentation on where we are in the next couple of weeks. Whole idea is something that you said yesterday, it takes more than policing. We have to get the community involved. We have to get elected officials. This work will move us in a better direction. We had some success. We think we can do better in terms of homicide. Thats the direct piece of reform. It took us 2. 5 years to get through all the r. F. P. Process to get to where we are now. These are the things that we are doing. In terms of management, were not going to offer excuses, we need to get the work done. We need to get it done. We need to be transparent. This we are and we will be in terms of showing the public what were doing and what reform means. We can say we completed 200, what does that mean to the people of our city . Are we using less force, are we holding officer accountable . Is the department being held accountable. Those things have to have thats a big part of reform. Question is how do we respond and do we have the structure in place to correct those things immediately and many cases detect them before they become bigger problems. Thats whats in the works. I only been here for 3. 5 to 4 years now, if you talk to people who have been here, they see the difference. They understand the difference. Things are changing for the better. Not that we were terrible, because we werent. We need improvement. Supervisor walton i heard good things about heinz. They are also in the business of making money because things are bad in certain areas. They put themselves out of business once we get those 272 recommendations taken care of. Thats just a statement that i want to be on record. What metric are you bastin basie 54 is positive. Wh one thing is the outcome. Other thing is the foundational work that is happening. For instance, on september 16th, we have a Community Policing general order that hasnt been revised in about 20 years. It goes before the commission. The process of that general order. This is one of the recommendations from past week. The process for what went into that general order was a year in the making. We had to construct Community Work groups that gave input into how they would like to see policy change. That took a year. There were surveys that went out to hundreds of people. We ha had community input. It was a lot of work that went into this. The end result is the policy that will go before the commission in couple of weeks that took two years to get to. Thats what progress means. I can highlight that on our diversity Strategic Plan is another one. The plan is already written. When we have the hearing that supervisor safai called, we talked about all the things were doing to increasing diversity in the workforce. That diversity Strategic Plan is one of those in progress pieces of work that was year in the making. That is kind of what in progress work looks like. The 5. 17 general order, tremendous amount of community. We put together bias work group couple of years ago. Community members, lawyers, commissioners, Police Department and employees. Lot of discussion, lot of meetings. I sat in on them myself. Lot of debate with hiller heinz and california d. O. J. On what this policy needs to look like. Its in effect now. They highlighted some of whats in that policy. Explaining what bias is how we tell our officers you cant react to somebody eels biases. Elsebias. We get calls of somebody elses bias. We can make that situation worse or we can make it right by how we act. First part is recognizing what it is. We now have that in our policy. Officers are told to slow down, determine what you have and react to the fact, not somebody elses bias. As far as i know, were only Police Department in the country that has that in writing in our policy. Thats the result of all the work that im talking about that we can be proud of. That story can be treated in repeated in 147 use of force. We knew that was really the thing we wanted to correct first. Not using first, reducing officersolved shooting. Theres still work to be done there too. We still have 20 or so remaining to do. Things like the townhall, were finding that process, were transparent if we do have an officerinvolved shooting. I must say, there are other departments that have taken our process, some of them put it on video, some of them put in how they address townhalls and most departments dont have a townhall after every officerinvolved shooting. We have been consistent. On release of video. We were among the first that consistently released videos of officerinvolved shooting. Thats something that is a result of work in progress and work thats completed. I know its a long answer. Its important that we highlight these things for you and the public and the committee. Those 140 in progress, theres work thats being done thats real and tangible that equates to real results. We go back to the use of force decline in particular among people of color. Thats really important outcome for us. Supervisor walton my last question, supervisor fewer touched on this yesterday. She talked about different scheduling options and ways to avoid all the overtime or the necessity of overtime. I dont know if we got a response from you on any of those suggestions or your thoughts about that . You didnt get a response. Chair fewer closed the meeting. Were looking and continue to look at it. I know chair fewer wants to hear more than were looking at. The scheduling options between the [indiscernible]. Scheduling options between 10 hour shift and 8 hour shift. There is research. I dont know if any of the Committee Members seen the research. There was one report about eight years ago completed. Its really probably one of the exhaustive report on police scheduling thats out there. What that report tells us, that 10hour shift thats the probably the most shift in terms of policing. Its about alertness on the job. Its about wellness of officers and the other things that thats in other areas of policing. If an officer dont stay healthy and theyre calling in sick and getting high blood pressure, that matters. Goinits going to come back to t us. This is not my study. Its a really good study to look at in terms of scheduling. We have looked at different modeling and other things that we will like modify in the near future. Other thing to consider now is covid. It cause us to try to keep people apart as much as we can keep them apart. Not have a large group of officers gathering in police stationings. Those things are taken into consideration. We are also giving where we headed with the overtime issue. Theres definitive research out there that overtime usually led to increases with the eighthour shift. You might get some tradeoffs as far as coverage. In some respects, you lose by way of overtime. I dont know why that is. All of the things to be considered and with that said, we understand what supervisor fewer is saying. We are having that discussion right now. Were modifying base the on covid, were having to motte if i modify some of our scheduling to keep people healthy. We had a spike in the department over the last two weeks. We went three months of covid with only five or six positive cases. We now have over 40 in the last two months. Thats alarming and concerning. Some of that we try to mitigate with scheduling. Chair fewer i wanted to actually shed some light on a conversation we had yesterday that supervisor walton is referring to. Its not going to an eight hour shift. It is about reconfiguring your 10hour shift for their off schedule that other city have done. I know the 10 hour shift is very popular, especially about commute. I get that. There are cities that are adopting more modern schedules using the plan. Thats what im saying. Im not saying eight hour shift. I want to clarify that. I do think that we want to cut down on the commute time and Everything Else for Police Officers. There are modifications within the 410 that you can be doing. Thats the clarification that i want to make. Thank you supervisor fe fewe. Chair fewer anywhere questions . Supervisor ronen. Supervisor ronen my question is to b. L. A. I want to hear the answer looking at the unit, the horse unit, the s. R. O. Unit were the three i believe that i asked for yesterday. As this is nick menard. I will attempt to share my screen. Are you able to see this spreadsheet . Supervisor ronen no. Here are the units that you asked about to book these for the units are staffing. I look at the staffing cost to give you every Police Officer will incur some overtime costs. Try to incorporate that as much as possible. These Staff Members are all as of june 20. There maybe slight differences between then and now. The staffing changes are in march or september. There should be they are quite accurate. You can see the staffing here and the job. Total number of people is 33. Thats an annual salary and benefits cost of 6. 3 million. Using the average overtime for officer and sergeant, you expect to see about 270,000 of overtime. Related to that, i also wanted to include the Homeless Outreach team that the police have at each of the stations. Supervisor ronen thank you for that. You can see here the 27 officers al assigned to function across the city. Thats average cost of 4. 9 billio4. 9billion dollars. Did you ask about the dirt bike unit . You asked about Public Housing. There were in june 45 sworn officers assigned to that function. Thats a total count of 8. 2 million and approximately 370,000 overtime. School resource officers, 11 Police Officers at 1. 9 million. When you include 90s of expected overtime. Its important to break out the positions here. There are nine sworn officers. I only included overtime for those people. Overall staffing cost is about 2. 4 million. This includes also the cost of hay and other vest vestibules and horse diet. Those each about 30 billion a year. Supervisor ronen can you send that to us . Yes. I will send it now. Supervisor ronen i guess im wondering setting up for new crises team. Well be adding to more, hopefully, in march of next year, why would we still need the full team and the full Homeless Outreach team . Supervisor, i want to start by saying again, we are supportive of that transition to the ems6. Probably the unknowns now are you referenced 20,000 calls that will possibly go to ems6. If were talking about replacing the work that 23 officers, 24 officers and at time its been hire than that, plus the officers assigned to the homeless details in the station that respond to these calls. Youre talking about upwards 60 officers. They still cant handle the volume of those calls. The belief that six units will handle that volume of calls i think its going to be a real challenge for the ity. Which means that also, we have to transition to get there. I think we all in agreement there has to be a transition. Couple of things that i want to point out that we have right now, i totally understand the desire to get police away from those type of calls. However, the officers that are handling those calls now are the best trained in the department. They train with d. P. H. They train wall the laws and rules that go along with dealing with the people and the psychiatric youre getting the best that this department has to offer in terms of how we deal with those calls. Very few uses force. Very few incidents to go sideways. Thats important to know. Even as we transition, just think about the math for a second. Youre talking about 16 handling volume of calls that 50 or 60 officers have trouble halling handling. [please stand by]. We cut for year one half of the hsac team and half of the Homeless Team that would give that period of transition time which i think would equal 5,000,058 thousand 578 and the0 78 million and then to put th the and thats year one. Thats year one and in year two, my proposal is that we cut an additional 25 of both of them as were transferring over time police out of homelessness. And then for the Public Housing and fro officers to put not do any changes this year but for the second year to put the 8. 2 million for Public Housing and the 1. 9 million in sro for reserves so we can continue to have that conversation as changes are happening in those ways. Chair so i think that if we were to say to cut half of the hsoc team that would allow the Police Department to put half of their time that is normally at asoc at normal patrols at the station and the same thing with Homeless Outreach and the same thing with the mounted. Do you see what im saying . Unless youre asking this committee to approve layoffs of Police Officers of those units. Im saying that i want to reduce the Police Budget by that amount under that justification and then the chief will decide how to deal with the difference. , if that makes sense. I know we dont get to choose how to we get to cut money from their budget and the chief gets to decide how to deal with his budget based on those cuts. Thats the extent of our power and so what im saying is i believe that we need to start weaning the city after th off tf police to dia deal with the unhd population and to be spending money on unhoused unit doesnt make any sense. The only way to impact that is by cutting the budget by an equivalent amount. The chief, then, gets to decide whether he agrees with me or not, but he has to deal with that reduction in his budget. And i dont thats the extent of our power. We dont have power above and beyond that. Chair theres been some suggestions, also, about cutting the overall budget about so i think what i want to know is, what is the dollars amount for year one to cut from the budget and the dollar amount for year two . The dollars amounts may equal from overtime or the academy. What im saying is i want to do it above and beyond those cut. Chair do you have the amount that we where we would take that from . Cant we just take it from the Police Budget . Well, it would cut, then, into salaries because it would mean layoffs. Yes. Chair so youre proposing layoff, actually, of the police force . Im proposing that we should no longer have Police Involved in dealing wi dealing with the d playing, unless, of course, theres crime. Chair i just wanted to bring up we saw charts if we were to lay off Police Officers, we would have a Police Department becaus we woula police force that is twothirds white. indiscernible . Chair if we look at layoffs, we are getting the most diversity i mean, most recently hired and when we look at our police force by the numbers and when were hired, if we were to lay off Police Officers, we would have a much, much less racially diverse police force and therefore, much, much less language capability, also. I just want to mention that. I know. We are in a catch 22, right . If our power was absolute, we would do this in a surgical way, where we would get rid of the bad cops and keep the cops of color and speak various languages and do it based on picking and choosing the best out there, right, and the most work with community in a positive way that doesnt cause division. I dont have that power. And yet, i think its deeply wrong and i am answering the call of this time to reduce the size of the police force to start dismantling a system that has failed us over time and start envisioning over time. Our power is very limited. So what im proposing is that we do something substantial so thas responsible as i know we all are about this as possible because this is major, what im proposing and i have no illusions about that. But i think we have to do something significant that we can then feel the pressure collectively as a city and urgency to reenvision and reform, right . Chair do you have a dollar amount for this . I do. So in year one, i would propose that we cut 6,705,000. 551, which is the amount where im getting that number, just because its not random, it ends up being kind of random how it works out but not random in my head. In my head, its taking half of the officers that are assigned to hsoc and half assigned to the Homeless Outreach team in year one. As a significant reduction to the amount of police that are responding to and dealing with the unhoused population. So that we can over time ease police out of that responsibility. And then what i would do in year two, and i might need some help from the controller and the budget legislative analyst because math is not my top skill in life, is that in year two, i would like to reduce by an additional 25 those two line items. Im wondering if nick nick, are you there and can you help me out here . Hi, im here. So nick, can you just put i figured out how to take half of each of those numbers in the first year and can you help me with slightly more advanced math and take an additional if we were to take an additional 25 so it would be 75 of the numbers in the second year. Yeah. So youre talking about hsoc, housing. Yes, so im talking about no, im talking about asco, hot team ancoc andmounted horses. Asoc, hot team and mounted horses. Ok, ill get back to you in a minute. While nick is working that, can i ask a question just to be clear . So with the proposed cuts, what youre proposing is that we cut personnel and that you leave it up to the department, the chief, to cut personnel equivalent to whatever that math equates to . Am i clear on that . Yes. Ok, so my question and im not clear on exactly what this answer is but for the 20,000 or so calls that are being dispatched to the Police Department, who is going to handle those calls and who will they be dispatched to . In addition to that, because i know Mental Illness and our response to Mental Illness is another part of where this is hopefully will lead to one day, theres another 50,000 calls for service dealing with people in Mental Healthrelated calls. Who are going to respond to those, as well . Because many of those overlap with the asoc calls. So my question is who will respond to that . Will that be taken away from the Police Departments workload and if so, how . Yes. So, those calls will be answered by the rest of the asoc team which is made up of people who the hot team, who are nonpolice, who work in dealing with the unhoused population. Hsh, dpw and the rest of the asoc team. And then in addition, the additional ems that are coming online. So i just want to make you and the committee aware, theres not enough personnel in the hot team right now to handle the capacity they have first and foremost. Second, none of those entities besides the Fire Department is a 24hour operation and many of them, not even a sevendayaweek operation and that would have to change immediately. And also, that would require it would have to change by so when does the so half of the fiscal year is over in january and it would have to change by january. So all of those people would have to be hired to build a capacity to handle that volume of work by january. And heres what im saying and just for your consideration and boards consideration. I understand what youre saying. I just urge us to be very thoughtful about the transition. Look, if its ta taken off our plate and we dont have the workload, that would be great and i think thats what your desire is, but for that to happen, all of the other pieces that have to be in place, my understanding is we cant get enough hot workers as it is and even when we call them to handle some of the calls that we felt that we couldnt or shouldnt handle, the response has not been what it should be under the current circumstances. Now, were going to shift that workload to them. The question is, who actually suffers with this new arrangement . Chair chief, i am looking aat the clock and have 15 more minutes and this committee has to come up with a decision around a budget cut. Its been proposed that we would lay off Police Officers and an estimated cost of about 8 million worth of Police Officers, we would lay off that many Police Officers, because im just estimating here what it might be. Or maybe 9 million. Its 6. 7. Chair for the first year. This is a twoyear budget. So we are talking about maybe 9 million worth of Police Officers that we would lay off. So i just want to state that i know supervisor walton is in the queue but i want to state this, i am not in favour of laying off Police Officers but in favour of reducing the hsoc team when we have a plan but i want those officers back on the street and i dont want to have to fill these academies which are millions and millions of dollars. And this is where i would do the cuts personally. Because i actually think these workingclass men exwomeand wome feeding their families and the majority are putting food on the table and paying for their food and rent. Theyre not different from other workingclass families, except theyve chosen a profession that we are trying to change out of the scope of what we do. I dont think as individuals, we would take their livelihood away from them. I dont think i feel comfortable taking away their ability to support themselves or their families. And so i am not in favour of the layoff. What i hear from president yee is i am in favour of, though, discussing what we have on the table. And thats not to say supervisor ronen, that i am in disagreement with you. I actually think is i think the chief thinks this, too, is that police shouldnt be responding to these homeless calls. And that we should be building up the team which we just had a discussion with Public Health about. Youre absolutely right. Do we need that many people on the mounted . I dont know, but, actually, the police costs Police Officers were deployed and real the real cost are the horse feed and hay, vegetables and the vet. So that cost is somewhat minimal and i actually think if we want to reduce the police force, to maybe a number that is manageable, maybe a number that actually after we get these things in place for example, we hire up for hsoc, our Homeless Outreach and more social workers and anything else so police are not responding to calls that more skilled that the subjects can be responding to, is that if you were to lay off Police Officers, like 9 million worth of the Police Officers, it would have a huge impact on our district station. I just want to say for one, i am five officers short for how many years at my station. And regardless, i think, that if we would like police to handle other things besides i mean, take those duties away, we are still, i think, looking at we have not had a replacement in our department and so i am not in favor of that and i werent twant toand i want totake a temy are in favor to put on the table because im looking at the clock here that i have only heard from supervisor yee that he says he would cut the amount of academies, even though the bla recommends cutting one academy, there are four on the table. And he is in favour of cutting hes putting a suggestion out to cut two academies. I have said yesterday i would cut four academies. And also, he has made a suggestion of cutting 50 of the overtime budget and supervisor walton has put out yesterday that he would like to cut 75 of the overtime budget and so, if we could as a Budget Committee work within those parameters, i also would just so supervisor ronen has a proposal on the able to cut the police force. These cuts, in addition to, which would cut into layoffs of Police Officers, supervisor mandelman and i see supervisor walton and supervisor mandelman and if we could direct our conversation to these proposals on the table now, supervisor walton. Chair fewer, i have one question that would get me in line with the conversation at hand, because im curious to know, couldnt mounted officers go into open positions . Chair yes, they would go back into control and not be on the mounted but then be repumped intrepumpedrepurposed into stat. They should be used at the best of the their ability and yes, that answer was that if you were to take half of the Police Officers off the mounted, they go back to district stayings an. So what we wouldnt have, as i said before, is the money for the stable keepers, which is 200 something thousand b, i think, d those are Civil Service positions and we would be laying them off and also the hay, the vegetables and the vet. And that amount is all included in the last item, budgeted item. But we would still be paying for the salaries of the sergeant and Police Officers. So personally, i want to say, im a little reluctant because i dont want to lay off Civil Service employees, either. Theres 200,000 people employed in San Francisco. Thats my only consideration, too. And for my clarification, chair, why wouldnt those Civil Service employees be able to go to another classification . Clarification is stables in golden gate park, yeah. Ok. Chair do you have an opinion, supervisor walton, on what has been proposed so far . I definitely am in support of cutting overtime and academies. I think that you and i want t al of the academies being on the table. I would be ok with putting one on reserve, which i think is what president yee stated. Chair i think president yee said he would cut it by 50 and keep two academies and you are saying cut three academies and put one in reserve and president yee is saying keeping two academies. Is that correct, president yee . Youre on mute, president. Yes, thats correct. Chair ok. And im hearing from you are you in agreement cutting 50 of the overtime and putting 25 of that 50 on reserve . I would be in agreement in it was something that the entire committee was ok just half of overtime budget. Chair thank you very much. Supervisor mandelman. Can you talk about if youre in agreement with the other proposals, as well. Chair are you in agreement of laying off 9 million worth of Police Officers . Not at this time. Chair thank you. Because i cant guarantee who goes. Chair thank you very much. President yee, are you in agreement with supervisor ronens proposal . No, im not comfortable with that. No. Chair supervisor mandelman, youre next in the queue. I would like to speak at some point. She asked, but i didnt want to just say no and not have any clarification. I mean, the part of the no is that through attrition and through theres two things going on. One is that we want to have a transitional plan thats going to take some time to transition an amount and by reducing the number of academies, thats nota part, that there be a natural attrition that you wouldnt have to fire anybody but. Ca money buy from the academies and move Police Officers into other duties and not lose the diversity that you talked about earlier. So i wanted to give an explanation. Chair thank you, president yee. Supervisor mamdelman. Thank you, chair. And i want to thank my colleagues for the seriousness with which each of them is weighing these decisions and i know that each of us is trying to figure out the way to make San Francisco the safest and ensure that all of San Francisco is receiving the benefits of Public Safety however were able to deliver it. And i appreciate supervisor ronen calling on us to rise to this moment. I think i disagree with her conclusions about how to do that and i think, to me, part of what is happening in San Francisco is that our chief has been rising to this moment for the last three or four years. And i think that theres been rhetoric that weve heard that reform does not work. But the data shows that the reform that the chief has been implementing over these last years, as he has been hiring more officers of color and more Women Officers and as he has been implementing the department of justice recommendations, that we have actual data that shows that fewer people in San Francisco are being killed and fewer people in San Francisco of color are having bad experiences with the police, violent, potentially lethal experiences than whats happening five years ago. And so to me, thats a little bit of a response to the impossibility of reform working. And i think as we think about how to make our Police Department safer for everyone, i dont want to lose sight of whats happened these last few years. Were short by 255 officers. I believe it. I feel it in my district and my constituents wh feel it. But i also believe that there is hope that we can to things differently. And so, i am grateful for the work that the mayor has done and supervisor walton has done to redirect funs into new ways of doing business. And i believe fondly in this investment in crisis intervention teams and trying to pull that work off of the department. I dont support laying off officers. I am leery of getting rid of any academies but could go along with president yees proposal, if thats the consensus. And in terms of the overtime, i am down to putting some of it on reserve or even a large chunk of it on reserve, but an abstracted conversation about overtime that does not describe what that overtime is supposed to be paid for and where its going by taking it away is not something i would support. To supervisor ronens point in thinking about reserves, i actually think it does make sense to put some of these funds for hsoc ic and in the second yr in reserves. So continuing that conversation over the next year might make some sense. So academies, overtime, lay dozen offs and i think i covered it all. I also want to echo president yees call that if we are directing police funds away from officers, away from classes, that putting in the money into their budget and holding them accountable for civilianizing some of the positions lost should be attached to the coming year. Chair supervisor ronen. Thank you so much. I want to address a number of things and then make a new proposal since clearly this committee is not on the same page as i am on this. And so i want to say that i am a Worker Rights advocate and thats where i come from and thats what ive done with my entire life prior to becoming a supervisor and laying off a worker is not something that i would normally ever be ok with, and i have struggled with this. Perhaps more than ive struggled with any other decision ive ever made. But here is the bottom line. The bottom line is when you have change in society, its uncomfortable. It involves a little bit of time of transition, where its not exactly clear how things are going to change until we get to something better. And to me, this moment in time is about that major change and shift. And, perhaps, im trying to promote and initiate that change too quickly and i can appreciate that. Thats a judgment call on how fast you do it. And i could see doing it, you know, trying to push it back. And i can see and very much appreciate this committee being willing to cut overtime and some of the Academy Classes. I think thats major. I think thats real change and im with you that and appreciate it very, very much. But i think we have to make a budgetary statement that says weve been saying it is not the job of police to deal with the crisis of homelessness in our society for a long time. And if we dont back up those words with dollars, then i think it comes across as shallow. And that weve been doing the same thing over and over and over. This doesnt make me happy with any way, shape or form and these people with these incredible training are extremely employable. Perhaps ive overdone it with how much im expecting to cut, and perhaps we can cut a little bit less than that many officers. What im saying is its time for action and its time to say to put our money where our mouth is and to say we expect radical change in our police force, that we have a tiny bit of control over as supervisors. And so im happy, you know, i see dean has joined the committee and im happy to half my proposal and see if this committee feels more comfortable do that. If not, then i would and i would ask the committee to chime in on this. And if thats not ok, then i would ask as at least to put this money on reserve, then, this the second year so that this city feels the pressure to make major change in how we police in this city. Chair and supervisor ronen, how do you feel on the proposal of taking a Temperature Check on 50 of the overtime being cut, 25 of it on reserve and, also, president yee wanted to cut two Academy Classes and supervisor mamdelman might be convinced for supervisors proposal and supervisor walton and i think maybe we should cut four. Where are you . Im with you 100 , your original proposal. Chair we have a time constraint here. The chief must leave and as mentioned, we started this as 12 30 and well end as 2 00. This Budget Committee must come to a consensus today on it and the chief has to leave. So supervisor preston, knowing that, we are four minutes over our time limit. Is there something you would like to im sorry that i have to cut off the conversation but weve been at that an hour and a half. No, thank you, chair fewer and i will be very brief. So i simply have been listening to the discussion, appreciate all of the advocacy and hard decisions that have been promoted, totally in support of a lot of whats been floated around overtime academies and so forth. And i really wanted to hop in briefly and state my strong support for supervisor ronens comments around staffing and around just making uncomfortable and difficult decisions. And i think that the one thing i want to really add to the discussion is, i think need to break from the idea that decreasing Police Staffing and presence compromises Public Safety. I just want to challenge that notion. I think we can maintain Public Safety consistent with the kind of cuts that sou supervisor rons putting forward and i wanted to express that to the committee and thank you for your all of your work and deliberations and thank you, scott, for being so available in recent days to discuss various proposed cuts. Thank you, chair fewer. Chair thank you. So i want to say that this is my third year on the budget and, as you know, i think this is a biggest cut and president yee and i can agree that these proposals on the table are the deepest weve seen. I dont think were in disagreement with supervisor ronen about redirecting Police Services out of our Homeless Population and i dont actually think that the chief is in opposition to that, either. Having said that, what im seeing now is that there is an appetite for four Academy Classes to be cut and and appetite for two to be cut. Im propose a compromise, we cut three and keep one and i believe that the one that the bla has recommend is to cut, actually, the one in the spring. I am going to say that i think we should cut the one, actually, this fall or i mean, leave that one, but cut the other three. And i am wondering what the appetite is for that proposal. A nod would be sufficient or president yee. Thank you. Can you repeat that . Did someone Say Something. Chair go ahead. Thank you for trying to create a compromise and ill further suggest a compromise to the crow myself. Compromise, which has maybe allowing for that one and put the second one on reserve. Ok, allow one and put another Academy Class on reserve instead of eliminating it, is that right. Yes. Ok. Supervisor walton, were you trying to Say Something . I apologize, chair fewer, i didnt hear your compromise. Chair the compromise that supervisor yee is putting forth three of us had said four and two said two and im saying why dont we eliminate three, keep one Academy Class and supervisor yee is saying keep one Academy Class and put the other Academy Class on reserve. How do you feel about that compromise . I liked your version, of course. Chair ok, s supervisor mandelman, how do you feel about that . Thank you. I want to make sure that if hes left with only one that the chief gets to weigh in on which one he wants and the timing. Chair ok. Is that where the cro. The chiefh Academy Class he gets to keep . Im trying to do my one and reserve. Chair supervisor ronen, how do you feel . I could live with that. Chair we have all of the Academy Classes that we talked about Cutting Three, supervisor yourself e is saying cut two and fund one and keep one in reserve. I feel comfortable with the proposal to keep three and cut one. Chair and leave it to be the chiefs choice as supervisor mandelman has said. Are you comfortable with that, supervisor walton . Yes. Chair supervisor yee, could we persuade you to cut three Academy Classes, keep one and let the chief decide which one he would want. And the savings could civilian lives . Chair we could put one of the cost of the Academy Classes towards civilianization and you would agree, supervisor ronen, mandelman . I would rather put that in an addback fund for Community Violence prevention. Chair supervisor walton. I would rather it go back to the admit. Chair supervisor mandelman . I support president yees effort to keep one in reserve and if that one will go away, i would believe that the savings from that would go to the civilianization. Chair i actually think that i would say i would propose that if we want to be able to reduce these academies, i think i can go with supervisor yees recommendation. I know that were trying to grow this pot and im trying to everything to do that and supervisor ronen and walton, im wondering if you would come to this compromise . I am trying to find all of the money for our organizations, too, and i have met with all of them. I have met with the homeless families. Ive met with everyone. I get it. But i also think that we have pushed the Police Department to civilianized and blamed them for doing it and if we dont give them money to do it, it will never happen. So im asking if we can come to this compromise . Can i say, also, were also going to be have funding from the overtime piece, too. Chair yes, theres another pot of money, yes. Supervisor walton. Just for clarity conversation, we give them the academy. Theres remaining funds for three academies and were saying, if im not mistaken, president yee indiscernible . Chair assumsupervisor walt, youre breaking up. To clarify, i think supervisor yees proposal and im im wrong, please correct me, is that one academy and the cost of one academy would if we were to eliminate it, the other one that would be on reserve would go into civilianization and the other two academies, that funding would go back to the addback. So, in other words, if theres three academies thats going to go away, the civilianization piece, even if its two i mean, basically, it doesnt even the amount needed for civilianization, i think, is 3 to 4 million, in terms of the numbers and im just getting at this. And that is maybe able depending on which Academy Class youre talking about, it can be less than the Academy Class, actually. So theres additional funding to go back to the community pot. Chair yes. So what is on the schedule and is in the budget is for Academy Classes. We are proposing to keep one Academy Class, to cut three of them but of the three, one of the cost of one of the Academy Classes goes to the civilianization of the police force. Can we be in agreement is and then the other ones go to the addpot . Supervisor fewer . Chair yes, supervisor rone thanks. Ronen. Im really mixed. Im going to go along with this out of the spirit of compromise and moving forward and out of respect for your leadership for this process, which is virtually impossible. Youre doing an amazing job. But i have to say and the reason im going to go along with it is because were keeping one Academy Class. Because we have to shrink and region and revision i revisiont policing is in this city. But i would ask, then, that you always seriously consider my proposal. I will reduce it to 25 from 50 . Because if you civilianize those position, then youre going to free up those sworn officers who are in the civilian positions to fill in some of that need on the street that the chief has talked about. So i will go along with it, but i ask and im not conditioning it, but im asking you to seriously consider my proposal, then, to cut. Ok, you hear me . Chair we hear you. How about if we dont put it to civilianization, but we put it on reserve . Because clearly, even supervisor yee said he doesnt know the amount of how much that civilianization. Supervisor yee, would you be comfortable with that . Putting what on reserve . Chair one of the Academy Classes on reserve. And your original proposal was to fund onebecause we dont really know the full amount of money that the civi civilianizan will cost. I think that was your original proposal . It include civilianization we could have from the overtime. Chair how do people feel, excuse me, about having one theres four academies in the budget. We cut two, we keep one, we keep one on reserve and that was president yees original proposal. And how do people feel about that . But these are all interrelated. Chair the bla has recommended cutting one Academy Class. A proposal has been on the table. I said four, you said four, supervisor walton said four and supervisor yee and mandleman said to cut two. So i made a proposal to cut three and i am hearing that since supervisor yourself ee yew about cutting two, keeping one, putting one on reserve. And can we get to a point where we cut three Academy Classes . I think supervisor ronen is there, i think supervisor walton is are been walton, i think i ad would give the chief the prerogative which class he wanted to keep. I think its a smart move to do it now because we will know much more about our budget after the november ballot. After november ballot, we will know where we are and whether we can afford to put another Academy Class through. And so supervisor mamdleman and supervisor yee, i think what im asking is, would you be willing to cut three Academy Classes, allow the chief to select which Academy Class he would like to keep . Are we in agreement . I think i agree with supervisor ronen that these are interrelated and if we do find some funding, either from this or from, i dont care, you know, to fund the civilianization, then i am in agreement. Chair supervisor mandle man . Ok. Chair so i think that we have said that we will cattleya academcut threeAcademy Classes e chief which Academy Class to keep and not keep any of the Academy Class on reserve. Lets get to the overteam. Theres been a proposal from supervisor walton to cut the budget to 75 and by supervisor yourself eesupervisoryee to cute 50 in reserve and then theres a use of the overtime money for some of the overtime money to civilianize the police force. Now, supervisor walton, you have put a proposal of 75 of the 17 million to be cut from the overtime budget. Would you comfortable with supervisor yees proposal of a 50 cut and 25 of that 50 being put on reserve . Yes, yes. Thank you. Chair supervisor ronen, are you comfortable by cutting by 50 and putting 25 of that 50 in reserve . Its related to my other proposal, so i dont i mean, ill be outnumbered three, but if were going to get to concensuconsensus for all of th. Chair yours is a monetary cut in addition to these cuts and thats why i want to do these cuts first and then we talk about your cut, ok . I know, but its hard. I do get it, except that its like if im agreeing to bend on all of the the cuts that i want to do and then nobody agrees with the further cuts, then, you know what im saying . Its all from the same pot of money. Chair so i think that this is not about if you agree and ill agree with you or you agree. This is about what you yourself agree that you want to do about this particular thing. Except i would have cut 50 of the overtime budget without putting any in reserve. I would have cut all four Academy Classes and in addition, i would cut, you know, hsoc, hot team and mounted horses. So i have now made a compromise where im only Cutting Three classes and now youre asking me to make a further compromise to cut only 25 of the overtime budget and from what ive heard so far. Chair its 50 . But putting 25 in reserve. Chair you can say no. Ill just say no. Chair youre saying no to the 25 reserve or 50 cut or all of it . Im fine with 50 cut. Chair but none in reserve. Is that correct . Thats right. Chair supervisor mandelman, how are you feeling . I am not comfortable and wont get comfortable and you shouldnt try to get me comfortable with significant cuts in overtime, that its just a flatout cut and it is not leaving time for further conversation about kind of where that is coming out of and what it does do safety. This is more than what im comfortable with but my feelings will not be hurt. I understand im outnumbered and i think you should move on. Chair i am comfortable with supervisor yees proposal and so, supervisor ronen, lets go now to your proposal because i think that i will revise it. Let me revise my proposal so were clear what it is. Ssince nobody agreed with my original proposal and if you could help me with the numbers, nick, that i would cut just 25 of the hsoc, Homeless Outreach team and mounted unit in year one and then an additional 25 of those three teams in year two. Sure, nick menard from the bla, through the chair. So the 25 of those three teams amount to 3. 5 million, approximately. In year one . Yes. And im assuming that the year one and year two costs are the same because thats the number that i have in terms of the salaries for those positions, because theres no pay raises. Right. So youre saying over the two years, its 3. 5 million . No, thats just for year one and for year two, it would be about 7 million. Ok. Chair supervisor ro income en, it is it your proposal, then, we put 7 million of the Police Budget on reserve . If we did a 3. 5 million cut year one and the justification there is to say, were serious about this, we are putting our money where our mouth is and we have a lot of work to do, right, as a city. And were starting that work and then, i would cover the 7 million in reserve for year two. But its less money in year two . So i propose a 50 in year one and then 25 in year two. And now im doing 25 in year one and 25 in year two, but youre right, i would put that in reserve in the second year. Thats 7 million in reserve. Chair so you want year one and two in reserve the second year . Right. Chair twentyfive the first year and less the second year, right . So the 25 . So its cumulative. Chair what i think is, is it 25 of the 50 . I think thats what im asking. Because youre cutting 50 and then you said i want to cut another 25 . So after the first year, youve cut 50 . I think its 25 the first year. I revised my proposal because nobody on the Budget Committee was with me, so im revising the proposal and im saying, could we put 25 in the first year, which is 3. 5 millions of the three teams, equivalent to what that would cost for the three teams and then cut an additional 25 in the second year, so that we would cut 50 of the teams over two years as we are putting in place a new system to deal with the unhoused population. I dont see the need for the mounted horses. But i also would be ok putting that 7 million in the second year on reserve since were going to be creating a new system and dont know what that will be. Chair so youre thinking so let me go to the chief. Chief scott, if we were to do these cuts, would they mean layoffs . There would mean layoffs, supervisor. Chair do you know how many layoffs that would be . Well try to get quick math while youre deliberating. Whats the total . The total is 3. 5. Chair thats not 3. 5 total, know, its 7 total. Is that right . No, the 3. 5 million in the first year, in addition to whatever we decide on overtime, is the cut for the first year and then in the second year, im proposing a 7 million cut, but in reserve, so that we can be working all year to figure out how were going to change the system. And so what i believe and tell me if im right, chief, is that in terms of lay dozeoffs, the fe were looking at is 3. 5 million. Am i understanding this correctly, everyone. Chair right. Probably about a dozen layoffs. Chair so im just going to say, i am not comfortable with layoffs. Supervisor ronen, i so appreciate the conversation that were having. I just am not comfortable with layoffs because i know i feel very mixed about it myself. Chair im sorry. Im not. Pair ai please stand by . Maybe some of these positions wont be necessary. I do not support layoffs this year. Supervisor walton, how do you feel about supervisor ronens proposal. We are hearing from supervisor yee and mandelman that they are opposed to layoffs but open to putting money in the second year on reserve. Excuse me, you are on mute. I am definitely open to putting 7 million on reserve for the second year. Again, it is hard for me at this point. Not an impossibility without knowing the officers it is an issue now. What you are hearing there is an appetite to put money the second year on reserve, not for layoffs. Chief, what you have heard now is that what we are saying is that we are thinking a substantial amount of money on reserve the second year. This committee is opposed to the layoffs. If we put reserves amount of money on the second year, colleagues, we would put it in budget and finance reserve, is that correct. Yes, that is. I think we have a proposal on the table. We are looking at supervisor ronen has a proposal. We rejected the first proposal. Is it to put 7 million on reserve the second year, supervisor ronen . Yes. Are you comfortable with that amount, supervisor yee . Yes, i will support it. Supervisor mandelman, are you comfortable with the 7 million amount on the second year in reserve . Yes. Supervisor walton, amenable . Yes. Me, too. Consensus. Thank you for bringing that up for 7 million second year in reserve. We have before us did we decide on a compromise . Do we have a compromise on what i am hearing is i think what we have an agreement among us is 50 cut in over time, additional 25 on reserve. Is that what i am hearing . I think we need to cut it in half. 50 cut over time pan additional 25 . That is not what i said. I know that is not what you said. I am asking. You said you would be flexible. Could we go there . That is my question to you. What president yee said was 50 cut in over time, 25 of that 50 would go to reserves. What i am saying is because supervisor walton wanted 75 cut in over time if we could get to 50 cut in over time and additional 25 in reserve. I think that is the question, president yee, you mentioned you could be flexible. That is what i am asking. I guess i will counter that to say can you be flexible with 50 cut . Okay. I see the chief has his hand up. Chief scott. I want to remind the committee. We are 25 into the fiscal year. We have had some ongoing costs, including response to the wildfires and covid that have impacted us greatly, and the civil unrest in july. That is to keep in mind. We are 25 . We would be left with very small budget for the rest of the year, almost nonexisting over time budget. How much over time budget have you spent already . Can i ask a question while we wait, supervisor fewer . Yes supervisor walton. What is your Wildfire Response . What does sfpd have to do in response to the wildfires. Request from alameda county. Coordinator. Our duties help with evacuation when communities get evacuated often times they have security or Police Officers to make sure that peoples residences and businesses dont get looted, which is common in this scenario. Those are the two main duties. This original mutual aid call we responded as we did with the wildfire in the past couple years. Supervisor walton. Our spending is 2 million already this fiscal year since july 1st. If nine months out of the year and you have a 17 million over time budget. For nine months you have a 12. 7 million over time budget. I think that what we are we are dealing with a two year budget here. Colleagues, we could have a compromise with supervisor yee in the first year perhaps doing cut and putting 25 cut and 25 on reserve. Second year of the overtime budget a 50 cut. If people are am meanable to that. Chief it looks like you are about to respond. We wanted to verify the numbers. It is 2. 4 has been spent since july 1st. Chair fewer. Who is that . This is supervisor walton. I cant take less than i would not agree to anything less than 50 cut for Police Department over time. They will have to figure out from a management perspective to work that. I will say, supervisor walton after being on the committee three years. When people exceed the overtime budget they come back for supplemental. Much of the overtime as the police said we have been trying to cut is that it is mandatory, also. When ever it is off the council that is over time and court time is over time. I understand that there needs to be an overtime budget. I actually think that we might want because this is an odd budget year and we are nine months into this already. I am wondering if you would be willing to look at this year with smaller budget cut and following year 50 over time budget cut . I can live with that. How abou about supervisor yed ronen. How do you feel about that. Can you say it one more time . We are nine months into the year. That is why i am saying a smaller cut this year and then more cut next year. This year 25 cut and next year 50 cut in the overtime. 25 and then 25 in reserve. No, it is 25 cut this year, this fiscal year. Next fiscal year is 50 cut. I am okay with that. I am, too. Supervisor mandelman. I am sorry we cant bring you along. We have agreement. Before everyone changes their mind this is what we agreed on. First fiscal year because we are nine months into the year 25 cut from the police over time budget. Following full fiscal year we are saying 50 cut in over time, nothing in reserve. Is that correct . Okay. Then the academy, we said we would cut we will keep one of the academies and cut three. When one do you want to keep 1234. The fall. We will push it. To save money we will push fall academy to january. That is the academy you want to keep . I am sorry. You are not doing the fall 2020. You want to do the beginning of 2021, is that correct . We want to do it in january. Chief we will come back to you. It looks like you want to tell us something. Only when the committee is done i would like to reiterate so we know we are implementing correctly on your behalf. The question i dont be understand would be the chiefs preference regarding which class. Chief, back to you. The chief suggested class in 2021, am i correct, chief. That is the fall class, right. He would like to keep the fall class. Okay. Colleagues. I neglected to get consensus. Wait. Not finished. Where shall we take where do you propose to take that money from . Cut in the over time . It is the same money. Whatever you decide. 50 cut in over time. President yee is looking to find some money to civilianize out of the 50 cut. We dont know how much money that is. The civil linnieszation. It was in a budget at some point. No this is why these positions. Chief, how much would it cost to civilianize those positions ready. A little work for that one, chair fewer, to give you a number. We will work on it right now. We will come back to you because we have another decision before us, committee. We are doing well, we are on a roll. Bodyworn cameras. We heard from the Police Department they are calculating it wrong. We heard about batteries being expired. The bla is recommending a cut of 77,000 [ inaudible ] is that correct. That is correct, chair fewer. We did speak with the Police Department earlier today. They indicated they could in fact take a 600,000 cut to the bodyworn camera budget for 21. That was year one. That was what they thought was reasonable. 300 in year two. Okay. I looks like the consensus 600 year one, 300 year two. Consensus . Thank you very much. Please, controller, can you note that before we forget. There was another about supplies and uniforms. Were you able to come to an agreement with the agreement with the police on that one . I think we still disagree. What we agreed to do was to put 400,000 in year one on budget and finance committee reserve so that the department will come back and justify that spending. Okay. You were suggesting 400,000 in year one and 400,000 in year two. That is 400,000 on reserve in year one. 200,000 cut in year two. It looks like the bla and Police Department have consensus on that. Police department is agreeing. We agree with that . Okay. Thank you very much. Mr. Controller can you please note that also. The last thing pending here is on the chief and the cost to civilianize. In approximately 7. 5 million. 7. 5 million. We cant do that. Supervisor ronen. I am sorry. I thought all of this compromise including the civilianize issues. If it doesnt it changes my opinion on this. The think about the civilianize which i want to happen. If we add an additional 7. 5 million to the Police Budget, we have undone half of what we have taken away. Because those officers then go out to the street. It is all one budget. We have done it in pieces. We dont have control over any of this because it will all be the chiefs decision. I want to say we dont have to fund the whole 7 million. President yee, do you have a proposal . I would suggest 15 which would behalf. By the way the first year, i mean what they gave was full year budget for this year. It is going to be probably half of what is needed by the time they are up in these positions. I will go like 15 instead of the 30. You are asking 3. 5 million from our over time savings that we are cutting the Police Budget . For this year. If it is a full year, you know, one year of salary. They are not going to have to pay one year salary. They havent hired them yet. It would be a lot less than that, depending when they hire them. Where do you want to take this money from . Wherever the pot is that came out of the savings we made suggestions in cutting. Supervisor ronen. I cant support this at all. We have a list a mile long of over 300 million requests that range from subsidies for seniors, low Income Housing to violence prevention organizations that get in between the games to stop them from having a warfare. We will not get close to one tenth of that list right now. This goes directly to that. I cannot support this in any way and it will change how i have gone about this. Mr. Rosenfield, how much are we cutting the Police Budget by . Can you give us a total. I have to take a minute to do that, madam chair. I can give you an estimate. Mr. Bernard, do you have it . I just want to offer that when we the Committee Last year the plan that was approved which created positions throughout the fiscal year 2. 7 million at that time because as president yee was saying. The positions arent funded for the whole year. They start at various times throughout the year. It is low on the number. How much was used . Well this is for fiscal year 21. Those have all been deleted now or put on hold. Mr. Rosenfeld is getting us a number of the total money in police cuts. There is a minor cut i want to make sure the committee did not overlook. You may remember on the Library Budget that came up there was a policy recommendation to delete the work order with the Police Department. This recommendation is both in the Library Budget and the Police Budget because it is a work order. I think there was consensus to agree to our recommendation for the second year 100 cut and 75 cut in the first year. There were questions if that could be increased in the first year. There has been some discussion between our office and the library and the police based on what has already been billed in the current year. It is my understanding the library and Police Department both agree that the first year work order could be cut down to 15,000. I wanted to bring that to your attention for your consideration. The proposal with bla75 cut. Supervisor ronen 100 cut in 2021 considering we are into the year. That is why 75 . Are you in agreement, supervisor ronen . Yes. Controller, that is the recommendation number four that we are in agreement with. The controller is getting us the total money amount. Chair fewer, it is 3. 5 million. It is not 2. 7, it is 3. 5 million. Might i ask a question . Yes. There was money for civilia civilianization in the 1920 budget. Yes. Did that get fully spent . Chief, did that get fully spent . I will turn it over to director mcguire for details and questions. Supervisors, Catherine Mcguire strategic management. In 1920 we were funded for 25 positions. We had 20 still vacant. In fy2122, i am sorry 2021, we had 25 positions planned and cut from our budget. 45 positions cut that were related to civilianization. Is so i understand, the Budget Allocation we did last year was for 25 civilianized positions in that year and five got civiliannized . Five were filled, yes. Where did the rest of the money go . It went into the midyear cuts that we needed to do. Do you have a sense if you had the full year runway how many do you think you would have been able to fill . At least threequarters of them, but again, it is probably because we had 25 positions prior to that year that were filled. You did fill 25 . Right. 75 positions over three years. 30 of which have been filled, then another 45 we had to cut from the budget. The i am trying to get caught up. 3. 5 million that was taken out of the budget to rebalance at midyear. That was the civilianization budget . I would defer on the actual amount. I dont remember exactly what we gave back. What . I dont remember what we returned in the budget in 1920. But of your civilianization budget you said you were going to hire so many but it was swept up in the midyear. I am going to be honest. I dont think you can hire that fast. I dont think you can do it. I think there will be cuts. I dont think we need 3. 5 million. I think it is going to take time to rampup and do this. Considering that we have been talking about this for two years now and you have how many positions . President yee, i dont think it is about the money. They had the money in the budget and they didnt hire. It is going to take a while to hire up. It is takes nine months to hire in the position in the city and county of San Francisco. They might not need the 3. 5 million from the savings from police because i dont think they will hire that much. We allocated the money before and they havent hired. That is what i said. I dont think it is possible in terms of ramping up and Everything Else. It is not going to cost this much. What do you think. If they said 3. 5 million, what amount . I am trying to get to an amount we might think is realistic instead of the 3. 5, it might be less. Same cut. 30 that they were targeting, then 15 is realistic. 3. 5. The original figure was 7. That was for the the full year. This is not a full year. So i think what i am asking is what is the dollar amount for threequarters of the year and the following year. The number i am looking for. Supervisor walton, did you have your hand up . Yes. Thank you, chair fewer. I really agree with supervisor ronen. We shouldnt be giving this money back to the Police Department to invest. [indiscernable] why would we take the money . [indiscernable] thank you. Mr. Rosenfield an amount . Madam chair these are approximations. We will roll through the system. It is on the fly. Approximately 29 million in reductions over the two years between the academy reduction that the committee discussed. Over time reductions and b. L. A. Recommendations. That doesnt include money on reserve . That does not include reserves. Those worry deductions to the Police Budget. 29 million cut from the Police Department. What we had before to spend 3. 5 million of the 29 million into civilianizing positions in the lease department. Supervisor yee. I am suggesting we further reduce that number. To less than that. Maybe 3 million. Again. This is about ramping up. 3 million out from the 29 million that we have. We have reduced the Police Department budget by. Supervisor walton, would you consider that . I think this is one we have to go forward without my agreement. I cant see reducing the money and giving it back to them. Supervisor ronen, we collected 29 million in reductions from the Police Department. Supervisor yee proposed 3 million to restore it to civilianize. I cant. The four things off the list, that 3. 5 million or how much are we talking about . Renatle child care for black teen moms. Child care vouchers for teachers. I think that the great need, we have a list of over 350 million of ask, you know. Where are you, supervisor mandelman . I am with president ye yee ai would like pressure to civilia civilianize and that wont happen if we dont give them money for the upcoming year. I would give 3 million back to civilianize because i have been on them to do that. I understand supervisor ronen and walton. I am sorry we cant have full consensus on this. We are running now and i know supervisor ronen has to leave. I want to put this to bed before she has to leave. I want to say that i am proud of this work. I have been trying to cut the budget for many, many years. Every year we have had tens of millions of dollars in increases. This is remarkable. The fact that we are all sort of still not fighting each other that we are good. I want to say and thank the chief, also, with a lot of this was compromise so i thank the committee and the hard work. I want to propose we take baby steps now. I want to say, mr. Controller, take note of the intention to accept recommendations agreed upon by this committee today. I will do so, madam chair. I will assume for the 3 million restoration that 1 million in the first year of the two year budget and 2 million in the second year given president yees discussions. I think i understand the committees intent. President yee, is that okay with you . That was not my intention. At this point i understand that we are not going to be happy with this. I will accept it. Thank you colleagues. Supervisor ronen. I am sorry, colleagues. I have a family emergency. I have to take a flight out. I am not going to be here. I wanted to say in terms i know i am not going to have a vote because i wont be here. In terms of the firefighter budget, i am in agreement with the fire chief. I think we should give them the vehicles that they are requesting so you know my position. I want to say i had a discussion with fire chief and i think that will be next wednesday. Thank you so much. I would ask then that i make a motion that supervisor ronen be excused from the rest of the motion. I see president yee second. Roll call vote, please on the excuse for ronen from the Committee Meeting. To excuse supervisor ronen. Supervisor walton. Aye. Supervisor mandelman. Aye. Supervisor yee. Aye. Chair fewer. Aye. Supervisor ronen, take care. Thank you so much. I want to say before i go. You are a remarkable budget chair, supervisor fewer. Where you got us to on this point was nothing short of extraordinary. I appreciate you. You take care. Colleagues i am going to propose we take a 10 minute break. It is now 304. Come back amount 315. When we come back i dont remember which department we are going to hear. I will announce when we come back at 3 15 p. M. Thank you very much. The budget and Appropriations Committee. After our discussion we are now going to hear from general city responsibilities. Is michelle here . Hi, chair fewer. Hi, lisa. Are you joining us instead of michelle. I am representing for us right now. Committee, we are here to discuss and finalize the Committee Positions on the recommendation regarding the reserves. As you might recall that the bla said that we could actually take 500,000 from each reserve and still leave it intact with 99 of the reserves intact. That is up to us if we would like to take that money. That is the bla recommendation. Could i have a little. Mr. Goncher would you refresh our memory. We have been through a lot this afternoon. About your recommendation. Thank you. Yes, i will bring this back to wednesday. We went over the general city responsibility. This is page 14 of the report from wednesday. This recommendation was for 1. 5 million per basically reducing existing unappropriate reserved 1,500,000. Recommended reductions include use of 500,000 or 10 from the Housing Authority reserve of 5 million which would leave 4. 5 million or 90 in that reserve. The mayors Budget Office did inform us on wednesday that i believe that the Mayors Office converted or shifted those funds to covid relief. I dont want to put words in her mouth. 1 from the Affordable Care act 49,500,000 or 99 for this purpose. 500,000 or 1 and a quarter percent from the reserve. 39,500,000 for that purpose. The action is considered policy matter for the board of supervisors. Inappropriated reserves which require agreement with the mayor to increase the 2021 budget. Further use every serves would reduce amount available to reduce your budget 270 million dependent on renegotiation of labor contracts. 300 million a business tax ballot measure in november. State reimbursement of covid19 expenditure and impacts of the covid19 emergency. Okay. It looks like the recommendation has been modified a little bit. We are no longer considering taking money from the housing authorities budget. That has been taken. Before us we have a 1 million without the Housing Authority. 1 million without the Housing Authority. Onetime. How do you people feel about that . We will take it. Supervisor mandelman. Sorry. I just popped out what is it . Supervisor yee said yes he would take a little bit of the reserve, leaving 99 intact. I think that we will direct our questions to michelle. Would this give you heart burn . No, not at all. Thank you, chair fewer. As i said before, this is up to the mayor to grow the size of the budget for you. I do have heart burn given the revenue revisions i am seeing from departments for the current year and where we are ending the last year and the amount of uncertainty out there and the fact that we are doing better, but the opening we had relied on earlier in the summer when we prepared the budget has not materialized. From the controllers perspective maintain reserves adequate to the challenge you face. Ms. Rothbergger. I concur with michelle that this is a major risk. We have many, many risks we are tracking and others we probably arent tracking on the horizon. I cannot commit to growing the budget. Of course, we are happy to talk to the mayor as we work through the next few days. At this time, i am not recommending to the mayor we grow the budget. Supervisor mandelman how do you feel . I will follow the chair. I understand the desire to free up money for our period priorities. This is not a huge amount but not terrific fiscal policy or financial policy. I will be a good soldier on th this. Supervisor walton. I am definitely supportive as we also have an opportunity to address all of the cries cease anotheof the crisis thatexist i. Do we have a tally where we stand and what is available to us at this moment . We all have different numbers. We dont. Mr. Rosenberg, do you . We have been implementing reductions and we should have one later this evening or tomorrow at the latest which we would be happy to provide. I will go with my president on this one. I also would think that i am comfortable taking this money. If it requires the mayor to grow the budget, i think we can make the decision but it is up to the mayor. President yee, i agree with, supervisor mandelman, does this persuade you at all . Sure. Mr. Controller, can you please take note the committees intention to accept the bla recommendation number i forgot the number. I understand, madam chair. The item is not in front of the board unless the mayor grows the budget. It is contingent. That act by the board would be contingent on acts by the mayor. We are requesting the mayor to consider the appropriation. Thank you very much. Thank you. Juvenile probation. Chief miller. Good afternoon, everybody. Chief, i understand under consideration today is your asking at the last Committee Meeting we decided 50 of the second year of your budget for Juvenile Hall on reserve. You are requesting 25 instead of 50 the second year on reserve. Supervisor ronen has agreed. What say you . Are we agreeable, supervisor yee. I can give it to her. I think supervisor mandelman is in agreement. Anything else, chief, you would like to talk to us about . The only other thing is i dont know when they need to provide information about the position that you are taking back from her. We are in agreement with that. She has generously provided us with additional positions, three positions. Do you have an estimate how much those position savings are. Yes, in the first budget yearsty mated 5 82,000 666. Second budget year 423,322. This includes a slight decrease to the savings because they are giving up basic positions. They need back in the savings as well as the addition in the second year of what was taken out of the budget. I see consensus with my colleagues. Controllers office please take note. Their recommendation from the chief juvenile probation. Thank you very much. Okay. On to i dont think fire they are coming back to us on wednesday. We will see them for a very, very short meeting. Now we have the Sheriffs Department. I believe that we are continuing what was proposed by supervisor walton for putting money for cbo on two year reserve and talking about over time, is that correct, supervisor walton . That is correct. I will prefer for you to lead the conversation. Continuing with the condition very session from the other day, i still ask that we put the Community Funds in the reserve until we find out where they are going to go afternoon th and thr them as well as 7 million in overtime. The overtime budget, sheriff . If we are talking over time the budget is in the neighborhood of 8 million. We can verify numbers. The proposal sounds like 100 over time budget. That is what i was trying to get to, i apologize. 8 million. That is the entire budget. 8 million entire budget for over time. You would like to put 100 of over time budget on reserve, is that correct . Correct. So lets take the Community Organizations under now the budget of the sheriff. What we heard is that there is 8 million in Community Based organizations pretrial that are under the Sheriffs Department. Supervisor walton proposed to take it out of the Sheriffs Department until we can decide where the home should be for those cbos. Yes. Go ahead. What did you say . I am sorry. Supervisor yee and supervisor mandelman, what do you think about this proposal . I guess i am not understanding exactly what it would mean. There are current programming going on getting administered under the Sheriffs Department. Those dollars need to go out the door, i think. My concern about doing this. I can see doing this for the second year if there is a proposal or some other agency to run these programs and it is the sheriff. My concern in the first year i think we need these programs to grind to a halt right now. There wouldnt be the money for them. I have concerns about that. Maybe i am not understanding. Talk to the sheriff. What do you have to say about this proposal . To the timeframe i do not have a lot to say. This is near and dear to my heart, not just to me but the Sheriffs Office. We are a National Leader and innovatester in programming. In terms of what we are doing here and the construct of the taking the money away from us and going somewhere else i am confused. This is an area for the Sheriffs Office historically a leader in reform, the attitudes about Public Safety and Law Enforcement as relates to justice. This is an area of our attempt where we have been leaders and innovators. We have part of the forefront. We understand that there is a nationwide move for police reform, defunding. I just dont quite understand why we are defunding the things that are successful and work and hope a pathway to success and including a Sheriffs Office in the process to do positive outcomes as opposed to stigmatizing and leading to devissiveness. I have been here 24 years. This is around for 30 years. Progressively under every administration. We have done nothing but support and expand programs and implemented and moved for wart to support through the years. There is never a time when we have not moved forward on these things that make us an agent of change. We are setting an example. You want to talk about the types of things we do. I will say at the time we had slides to present in the short timeframe we had turnaround on the information. Supervisor walton, you asked about which cbos were affected. We shared the information on the screen. 10. 3 million. We have worked towards increasing funding for pretrial or increasing funding for the partnership that we have. This really leads to us talking about and i can go into the history. Due to the partnership and collaboration towards Public Safety. Nothing to do with Law Enforcement. It is putting people out on jail operations wide or Court Operations wide. This is about providing services to people and managing those Services Based on the needs. We are talking about multiple government innorvation. We are talking about Kamala Harris gave us an award in 2017 for our work. There is a list here that you will have. There is a listing of some of the things. That is a partial list of the things we have championed and moved forward with. It is the fact we instituted these things because we felt the need as Sheriffs Office involved in the process to take it out of the equation in regards to the management of the programs. I am at a loss to understand why. When we talk about the safe guards already in place to ensure the fidelity of programs, we are talking about measurables and compliance through staff dedicated that are Program Service coordinators that are boots on the ground the outcomes to make sure these are successful. We have connection between in custody and out of custody alternatives for individuals. More importantly we have the pretrial which i mentioned earlier, a huge chung what we are talking about here. ThaT Partnership was established before the 30, 40 year margin. We started that in 1976. It is an incredible amount of time and energy we use to make sure we have success and dedicated to supporting it and mandates. We are really mandated to be part of that process with the reform. We are complying with that injunction through the work on Public Safety assessments with pretrial and ability to provide them with a path to getting the information to make the right assessments. I am trying hard to keep this as short as possible. There is a large amount of information here to talk about in terms of success and the need for us to be part of the process and not separated out. It would challenge me to decide who else could possibly be in a position to make sure there are successes. The most important thing is the management of these programs, beyond management of money. We engage with those cbos. They are part of the committee we are talking about. The most important thing that happens with our partnerships is that we get buy in from the staff. We decreased the potential for decision for us versus them mentality. We decreased stigmas attached to us but to people involved that sometimes people dont really understand are nothing but stereotypes and labels. When you get to know people through the use of programs and participation and management of the programs and services we provide, it is humanizing the situations to bring us together to set reset button for people in our custody and care is a huge, huge piece of what we do. I think i have conveyed to you all the mandate as Public Safety office served by us being able to provide programs through our methodology. I really am scared. If we dont provide this support and are not part of that process we will be enforcements without opportunity for change. What we dont want to see the narrative about reforming Police Agencies and Law Enforcement agencies. We will start from the beginning, you know. The philosophy, the reason i ran for office as elected sheriff was to continue the philosophy and maintain all of these partnerships. I am getting emotional i apologize for coughing. We want to move forward with this and not take this backwards. I am open to answering any questions you have about our participation in the programs. If there is any question about our ability to do so, please feel free to ask now. Supervisor walton, maybe you can give clarity. Thank you so much, sheriff, we appreciate you coming on. I definitely agree the Sheriffs Department has been innovative leaders and these recommendations have come up before. This is not the first time we had this conversation as a city. I am 100 not proposing these programs be eliminated at all. We are saying we want to hear more from the community. Some organizations truly feel threatened and bullied by the Sheriffs Office at times. They have been told if they advocate too loudly, say things that are deemed out of pocket by the Sheriffs Department then are threatened to be defunded. Only a couple of weeks ago we saw employees by the department they have been on the news. They claimed intimidation even during this time of Law Enforcement reform. My question is really have things changed . Intimidation is alive and well. We should hear from community about resources and have this conversation. What if you believed me by your statement, they have been, if we do this your department is going backwards and that you will become the department we dont want to see. I dont know how to take that. Supervisor walton. I dont mean we want to go backwards. We will be moving backwards on what we moved forwards on. I dont want us to be in the position where it doesnt feel a sense of collaboration. You mentioned about the fact that there is litigation which i cant comment on. It is litigation regarding people who have alleged that they have been bullied at work. That is why it is important. I have a slide to talk about the move forward we are doing right now as we speak. Some of this is our efforts to make sure people have voices beyond just workplace environment. A seat at the table for formulating policy and moving forward. That is why we have the sheriffs lines for equity moving forward. The guidance given by the office of Racial Equity that is the kind of guidance this department needed to set foundation for it. We have started moving forward with these things. It is based on peoples interactions with one another. That is created of the things we want to reform. We want to be part of that. When you reference what you said about the people who are putting out the allegations of bullying, we are addressing that right now, not just through that civil process but looking into that internally. It reflects what we want to do moving forward to have dialogues and have the ability to have people bring things up outside of the workplace but at a larger table. That is what w we are working towards. We are looking to move forward. We believe, if i may reemphasize the point. By taking away the programs management from us, that we are going to lose part eve part of T Partnership and that is what we dont want to see move backwards. I hope that helps. I appreciate your comments around working together and partnering. Putting these resources in reserve while we have those collaberative conversations. We need to bring the community to the table, bring your department to the table for these conversations. If everything you say is right and correct and community is excited as you are about the work that is happening and happening with your department, then i dont think we have anything to be concerned about. Colleagues, anyone else. Do we have any supervisors, any questions supervisor mandelman, president yee, anything to ask about this proposal . I just think i am k9 of clear. I i am kind of clear. Right now there these budget amounts are pretty much what the programs that were listed that the sheriff put up there and you want to put that in reserves. Is it the total amount for the year . You want to put it on reserves or is it just part of the amount . These organizations are paid for some of the work right now . That is one thing i want to make sure that the contracts or the organizations will not get paid for what they are doing . The reserves gives us an opportunity for a discussion to see if we want to continue supporting these under the Sheriffs Department or another mechanism is that what you are saying . Yes, definitely, president yee, you are in the right direction. One thing i would say as we talk about justice reform. We obviously need to move Community Programs to the appropriate department. I do understand your point about where we are and the nature of the typical fiscal year and the programs up and running. I would be okay with putting the portion of the dollar amount in year two in reserve while we have these conversations with community. Whatever the amount would be to finish off the year make sure organizations stay whole while we have community conversations, put the next years amount in reserve, whatever that amount would be for 2122. Thank you. Sheriff, i see your hand up. Thank you, chair. Yes, i am very concerned about what was raised by president yee there about we are under contract with these organizations. They are providing the services as we speak. One of the bigger concerns was making sure people who partner with us are getting paid through this process. I am not as well versed on this process. If that is under reserve for the second components of the fiscal cycle and we have the ability to pay people for the good work right now. I understand that, but what does that mean . I understand that we have the ability to talk more about this. I think that given the most freshness of this issue to our agency and organization i would like to make sure we are clear on what things are. Again, as we have done since th inception of everything we do. Make sure we work together. You did mention one thing i was curious about. Community programs. Is it specific to all outside things we do when people has justice involved out of constructive custody and back in the community is that what we are talking about . Culmination of all of the above, but basically the work you are doing with the communitybased organizations and folks contracted to provide services with the Sheriffs Department or through the Sheriffs Department. I would love to partner with you to make sure we open up books to let you see what is going on. That is what we have to do when we manage these programs. There is absolutely transparent processes we can provide for you. Glow thank you. Thank you. Take the amount 2122 fiscal year and put on reserve. Make sure the organizations can finish this year and work on a plan for how things may work for next year. Thank you for that suggestion, supervisor roman. It is a limited timeframe at the conclusion of that discussion. If the conclusion is to sever the nonprofit or whatever, it has to be done several months before the beginning of the next year or otherwise you will be stuck. I want to point that out. Sy love that program. I visited it twice, the charter. How inmates we act to that. I just want to put a plug in for that in the jail itself. I just want to say that i am reluctant to make the change this year without hearing from all of these organizations where they think that their home should be. I think this year and i really appreciate supervisor walton for making the suggestion because i think to give you a year to plan. What i would suggest is that perhaps this is a working group that these organizations actually we can hear from them or the board. I dont know if i will be here when it happens. A practice where they can come together to see where they would want their home to be and if they need to go to the same home or some would like to be placed in another organization and so what i would suggest is that we could also, speakerrua speaker , legislatively we could have a working group and get together. I would say then we have a proposal on the table to keep the budget for this fiscal year, the nine months, for the second fiscal year 2122 to put that remaining money in reserve, is that correct, supervisor walton . Thats correct, chair fewer. We have that on the table. Lets get rid of that item first. Supervisor mandelman, jose you on this proposal . I am okay with that. President yee. Good. We have consensus. The controller please take note of the exit committees intention to keep the money in the original budget for this fiscal year to the end of this fiscal year. To for the money for fiscal year 2122 will be in reserve. A practice to determine where the organizations home will be will be conducted during this fiscal year in time for next fiscal year. Thank you very much. Next to the point of over time. I see that the sheriffs over time budget is 8 million. We have a proposal to put 100 of those funds into the reserve account. I probably suspect the sheriff or mr. Holland has a comment to accompany this proposal. I would like to give them an opportunity to speak on it if they should so choose. Thank you. I was not aware we were going to be talking until recently about this. The proposal to cut the overtime by 100 or put in reserve for 100 will be very challenging for us. Regardless of the fact we are a Public Safety agency, we are also unique, not just in the fact i am elected but the fact we have mandated things through state agencies in our mission and what we do. Not just through collective bargaining staffing level but through the needs of minimum standard in correctional facilities. We have a staffing level that needs to be maintained. We have a court staffing level that needs maintained to complete our mission there. Our level of mandated b by charr and entities. That leads to overtime challenges. There is a slide here regarding the overtime expenditures. I would like to highlight the fact that and put the elephant out there. Elephant in the room in terms of the recent article that highlights the fact that a number of our employees were on the list for most highest paid civil servants. That is a reflection of systems where we have not been staffed to full needs in light of these mandated positions and staffing level. We had a csa audit last year which highlighted the need of 238 f. T. E. Short of the actual workload. We met some challenges with making sure we have adjustment for over time and number of people who made an increase in overtime for their salaries because they were filling positions that are needed and mandated. Two, because we have so much over time throughout the system we have people involuntarily drafted, people that are held over from work hours and made to work additional hours because of that need to maintain minimum staffing level. Some of those people voluntarily take the place of those individuals involuntarily drafted to make sure this happens. That reflects that article. The last thing i want to say about this without too much de detail is the fact that we have the closure coming up which we look to as the ability to move some of the staffing into areas to backfill the areas of need where we have unfilled f. T. E. This will reduce over time expenditures significantly in terms of operational ability to do so. You will not see as much over time. That is part of our reduction process to advocate for the further reduction of over time to 100 . I dont quite understand and welcome to understand through your explanations why we are looking at that type every deduction. Colleagues, any comments or questions . I will say personally that i think 100 . Having been on this for three years i know the problems with over time. A lot of the overtime is involuntary. They must because they must keep the staffing. They require the deputies to work overtime even if they do not want to work. We have been working hard to have adequate coverage. The sheriffs are at city hall, at public buildings. To get their level up so that the sheriffs dont have to involuntarily work overtime shifts. The problem is that it is not like a regular job. They are also within the building, too. When you are working double shifts we heard many complaints from deputy sheriffs that it would mean that they are doing long shifts inside the jails. Having said that, supervisor walton there may be a compromise for the first year and second year similar to the Police Department. If it is the intention to cut 100 i am going to propose to you that you be amenable to something we did with the Police Department is cut the overtime 50 or put it in reserve. Supervisor walton, what do you think . Thank you, chair fewer. My goal is to avoid a mess like we saw this past year. Also to think about any of our workers and the danger of being over worked, particularly to your point during the pandemic. Our county jail system i would rather did not read an article that shows and demonstrates a plan about over time but get something in place in the Sheriffs Department aboutover time plan to make conditions better for workers especially during this crisis. I am definitely okay with reducing a certain percentage and hearing the plan and putting some in reserve because i think that it is something that we need to do. Is there a proposal perhaps my colleagues might want to proposal to supervisor walton or do you have a proposal yourself . Supervisor mandelman or supervisor yee . I dont know that it is reasonable to expect the Sheriffs Office not to run over time in this fiscal year. I dont think they are able to do it and do the things they have to do. I think it i it is reasonable wh the closing of cj4 and reducing over time to have a second years worth of over time held in reserve and provide that to continue the conversation. I support that. I wouldnt support a consult or putting this coming years over time on reserve. Are you proposing year two 100 in reserve . Yes. Supervisor yes, what do you say supervisor yee, what do you say . You are on mute. I would be fine with that proposal. Supervisor walton, what do you think. That works for me. Great. It looks like we have consensus. We put year two 100 on reserve. Please take note of this committees intention to put the second year of over time for the Sheriffs Department on reserve. Thank you very much. Mr. Clerk. Any other committees before us today . There are lay items here. I believe we did. The Fire Department is coming back. Hold on one second. You are right. There is one more thing with the Sheriffs Department. The bla recommendation on the general Management System and whether or not. I believe the bla recommended. Can you please refresh our memory . We have had such a crazy day. My pleasure, chair fewer. Yesterday we discussed the policy recommendation on the sheriffs jail Management System replacement. What our recommendation was that the board should consider whether to fund the initial deployment of the jail Management System replacement p. 1. 8 million for the five year i pp plan starting in fiscal year 1920. Initial testing completed by the sheriff apartment 250 at 250,000. The total remaining project cost increased to 2,319,422. The elimination of the funding for the two budget years, the sheriff is to cover the first budget year cost 687,720 in reduction in other general Fund Operating expenses. No funding is identified or secured for the second budget year. Given the anticipated savings or replacement and the sheriff has not identified funding for 50 of the total development and implementation costs, without additional funding the project is at risk of delayed the simultaneous licenses in the new jail Management System 550,000 in total. We did also note the replacement has been recommended by the jail work group. Would support the sharing strategy in 8020 regarding closure of county jail 4. The department of Public Health indicated it would allow integration with their system. We also note the replacement is necessary savings of 140,000 per year once fully operational. Chair fewer, and supervisors, the bottom line with our recommendation is that if you allow this to go through it would allow the upgrade to continue. We are not saying that we disagree that upgrade is needed but then you and the mayor basically the city is going to be on the hook for 1. 4 million. We would have to come up with 1. 4 million in the second budget year to keep this going. That is why we wanted to bring it to your attention. Thank you. I think we all appreciate this is a good thing in that advocates photo have the data aligned. The sheriff is in agreement. What i am hearing from you is that it is a concern about the fully funding of the program at 1. 4 million in the second year where there is no current funding strategy for that. I will say myself and if my colleagues speak, this is something after the jail advocates have come to me and said this is extremely importa important. The bla, too, i understand the concerns. This is a really important project. We have made 1. 4 million short on this. I am going to depend on colleagues who will be here in the next fil fiscal year to find funding. I am open to comments. Supervisor mandelman, do you have a comment . I am nodding with everything you say. I agree. How about supervisor yee. That is logical. I support what you just said. Thank you very much. Supervisor walton. We have a consensus, madam chair. Thank you very much. I want to thank the bla for the work on this and thank you, sheriff and the advocates who pushed for this. Our consensus can the controller please note that it is the committees intention to not accept the recommendation on the policy matter recommendation. Mr. Clerk, any other committees before us today . We do not, madam chair. That is very good news. Colleagues, we recess this meeting. We will be back on wednesday. We will have a discussion with the chief. I would like to recess the meeting now. Thank you, sheriff for joining us. I would like to recess until monday amount 10 00 a. M. Where we will have a full day and possibly full night of Public Comment. Colleagues get a lot of sleep. There are a lot of people to tell us what they are thinking and feeling. Thank you, mr. Clerk, we will see everybody at the meeting. A motion to recess. Yes. Second. Thank you very much. Roll call vote, please. To recess the meeting until the august 24th meeting of the budget and appropriations meeting. Supervisor walton. Aye. Supervisor mandelman. Aye. Supervisor yee. Aye. Chair fewer. Aye. We have four ayes. Thank you, colleagues. [ ] i really believe that art should be available to people for free, and it should be part of our world, you shouldnt just be something in museums, and i love that the people can just go there and it is there for everyone. [ ] i would say i am a multidimensional artist. I came out of painting, but have also really enjoyed tactile properties of artwork and tile work. I always have an interest in public art. I really believe that art should be available to people for free, and it should be part of our world. You shouldnt just be something in museums. I love that people can just go there, and it is there for everyone. Public art is art with a job to do. It is a place where the architecture meets the public. Where the artist takes the meaning of the site, and gives a voice to its. We commission culture, murals, mosaics, black pieces, cut to mental, different types of material. It is not just downtown, or the big sculptures you see, we are in the neighborhood. Those are some of the most beloved kinds of projects that really give our libraries and Recreation Centers a sense of uniqueness, and being specific to that neighborhood. Colette test on a number of those projects for its. One of my favorites is the oceanview library, as well as several parks, and the steps. Mosaics are created with tile that is either broken or cut in some way, and rearranged to make a pattern. You need to use a tool, nippers, as they are called, to actually shape the tiles of it so you can get them to fit incorrectly. I glued them to mash, and then they are taken, now usually installed by someone who is not to me, and they put cement on the wall, and they pick up the mash with the tiles attached to it, and they stick it to the wall, and then they groped it afterwards. [ ] we had never really seen artwork done on a stairway of the kinds that we were thinking of because our idea was very just barely pictorial, and to have a picture broken up like that, we were not sure if it would visually work. So we just took paper that size and drew what our idea was, and cut it into strips, and took it down there and taped it to the steps, and stepped back and looked around, and walked up and down and figured out how it would really work visually. [ ] my theme was chinese heights because i find them very beautiful. And also because mosaic is such a heavy, dens, static medium, and i always like to try and incorporate movement into its, and i work with the theme of water a lot, with wind, with clouds, just because i like movements and lightness, so i liked the contrast of making kites out of very heavy, hard material. So one side is a dragon kite, and then there are several different kites in the sky with the clouds, and a little girl below flying it. [ ] there are pieces that are particularly meaningful to me. During the time that we were working on it, my son was a disaffected, unhappy high school student. There was a day where i was on the way to take them to school, and he was looking glum, as usual, and so halfway to school, i turned around and said, how about if i tell the school you are sick and you come make tiles with us, so there is a tile that he made to. It is a little bird. The relationship with a work of art is something that develops over time, and if you have memories connected with a place from when you are a child, and you come back and you see it again with the eyes of an adult, it is a different thing, and is just part of what makes the city an exciting place. [ ] my background is in engineering. I am a Civil Engineer by training. My career has really been around government service. When the opportunity came up to serve the city of San Francisco, that was just an opportunity i really needed to explore. [ ] [ ] i think it was in junior high and really started to do well in math but i faced some really interesting challenges. Many young ladies were not in math and i was the only one in some of these classes. It was tough, it was difficult to succeed when a teacher didnt have confidence in you, but i was determined and i realized that engineering really is what i was interested in. As i moved into college and took engineering, preengineering classes, once again i hit some of those same stereotypes that women are not in this field. That just challenged me more. Because i was enjoying it, i was determined to be successful. Now i took that drive that i have and a couple it with public service. Often we are the Unsung Heroes of technology in the city whether it is delivering Network Services internally, or for our Broadband Services to low Income Housing. Free wifi for all of the residents here so that folks have access to do job searches, housing searches, or anything else that anyone else could do in our great city. We are putting the plant in the ground to make all of the City Services available to our residents. It is difficult work, but it is also very exciting and rewarding our team is exceptional. They are very talented engineers and analysts who work to deliver the data and the services and the Technology Every day. I love working with linda because she is fun. You can tell her anything under the sun and she will listen and give you solutions or advice. She is very generous and thoughtful and remembers all the special days that you are celebrating. I have seen recent employee safety and cyber security. It is always a top priority. I am always feeling proud working with her. What is interesting about my work and my family is my experience is not unique, but it is different. I am a single parent. So having a career that is demanding and also having a child to raise has been a challenge. I think for parents that are working and trying to balance a career that takes a lot of time, we may have some interruptions. If there is an emergency or that sort of thing then you have to be able to still take care of your family and then also do your service to your job. That is probably my take away and a lot of lessons learned. A lot of parents have the concern of how to do the balance i like to think i did a good job for me, watching my son go through school and now enter the job market, and he is in the medical field and starting his career, he was always an intern. One of the things that we try to do here and one of my takeaways from raising him is how important internships are. And here in the department of technology, we pride ourselves on our interns. We have 20 to 25 each year. They do a terrific job contributing to our outside plant five or work or our Network Engineering or our finance team. This last time they took to programming our reception robot, pepper, and they added videos to it and all of these sort of things. It was fun to see their creativity and their innovation come out. Amazing. Intriguing. The way i unwind is with my photography and taking pictures around the city. When i drive around california, i enjoy taking a lot of landscapes. The weather here changes very often, so you get a beautiful sunset or you get a big bunch of clouds. Especially along the waterfront. It is spectacular. I just took some photos of big server and had a wonderful time, not only with the water photos, but also the rocks and the bushes and the landscapes. They are phenomenal. [ ] my advice to young ladies and women who would like to move into stem fields is to really look at why you are there. If you are if you are a problem solver, if you like to analyse information, if you like to discover new things, if you like to come up with alternatives and invent new practice, it is such a fabulous opportunity. Whether it is Computer Science or engineering or biology or medicine, oh, my goodness, there are so many opportunities. If you have that kind of mindset i have enjoyed working in San Francisco so much because of the diversity. The diversity of the people, of this city, of the values, of the talent that is here in the city. It is stimulating and motivating and inspiring and i cannot imagine working anywhere else but in san. I just feel like this is what i was born to do when i was a little kid i would make up performances and daydream it was always performing and doing something i feel if i cant do that than i cant be e me. I just get excited and my nickname is x usher my mom calls me i stuck out like a sore thumb for sure hey everybody im susan kitten on the keys from there, i working in vintage clothing and chris in the 30s and fosz and aesthetic. I think part of the what i did i could have put on my poa he focus on a lot of different musical eras. Shirley temple is created as ahsha safai the nation with happens and light heartenness Shirley Temple my biggest influence i love david boo and el john and may i west coast their flamboyant and show people singing cant be unhappy as a dr. Murase and it is so fun it is a joyful instrument i learned more about music by playing the piano it was interesting the way i was brought up the youth taught me about music he picked up the a correspond that was so hard my first performing experience happened as 3yearold an age i did executive services and also thanks to the lord and sank in youth groups people will be powering grave over their turk ill be playing better and better back la i worked as places where men make more money than me i was in bands i was treated as other the next thing i know im in grants performing for a huge protection with a few of my friends berry elect and new berry elect and can be ray was then and we kept getting invited back you are shows got better we made it to paris in 2005 a famous arc we ended up getting a months residencey other than an island and he came to our show and started writing a script based on our troop of 6 american burr elect performs in france we were woman of all this angels and shapes and sizes and it was very exciting to be part of the a few lettering elect scene at the time he here he was bay area born and breed braces and with glossaries all of a sudden walking 9 red carpet in i walgreens pedestrian care. Land for best director that was backpack in 2010 the french love this music i come back here and because of film was not released in the United States nobody gave a rats ass lets say the music and berry elect and performing doesnt pay very much i definitely feel into a huge depression especially, when it ended i didnt feel kemgd to france anymore he definitely didnt feel connected to the scene i almost feel like i have to beg for tips i hey im from the bay area and an artist you dont make a living it changed my represent tar to appeal and the folks that are coming into the wars these days people are not listening they love the idea of having a live musician but dont really nurture it like having a potted plant if you dont warrant it it dizzy sort of feel like a potted plant laughter im going to give San Francisco one more year ive been here since 1981 born and raised in the bay area i know that is not for me ill keep on trying and if the struggle becomes too hard ill have to move on i dont know where that will be but i love here so so much i used to dab he will in substances i dont do that im sober and part of the being is an and sober and happy to be able to play music and perform and express myself if i make. Few people happy of all ages ive gone my job so i have so stay is an i feel like the piano and music in general with my voice together i feel really powerful and strong good afternoon, i am the chief building inspector with the department of Building Inspections brown bag lunch. We do this every third thursday of every month. This building behind me is one of San Franciscos great landmarks, a designated landmark . It is on the National Register list of historic buildings. With me i have a few guests, an old friend of mine and a partner who is a planner with the port of San Francisco. Welcome. Thank you for coming along. And jane connors, who is the building manager. She will lead us on a walk through the building as we move along and talk about that as well. This is a fund and a unique place in San Francisco, big, open space. A couple of times a week this is filled with a marketplace. 100 farmers. They are here on saturday. The Farmers Market is out front, and also on tuesdays we have about 60 farmers out front. And that is on the plaza . On saturday it is back here, and on tuesday it is in the front. I guess i am interested in what happens. We have a plaza where the ferry boats used to come. What happened . The whole backside of the building was originally line for ferryboats. It could handle about 14 boats at one time. The building was built in 1898, and the ferry boats were very popular up until the bay bridge got built in the early 1930s. At that time, the passengers shifted from taking the ferry boats out to going across the bridge and a ferry boat service diminished. The cars were a reduction in the use but also led to the development of the freeway in front of the Ferry Building, which in 1989 was damaged by the earthquake and demolished. Lo and behold, we have a Ferry Building again after the earthquake . We have seen the city come around. The building was renovated and opened in 2003. At the downtown Ferry Terminal was expanded in 2009 perry in 2009. People are looking for other ways to cross the bay. They have found that the use of the ferry boats may have increased by three times it is today. A lot of people who are looking for alternative ways to get around, people who walk, bicycle, other transportation, less people are driving. It is not just the price of gas. It is fun to ride to work and along the riverfront. We see that on the weekend. The promise not it is just full of people coming down, just walking along the waterfront, ride a bike, take a walk. Were becoming one of the most public waterfronts in the country. Once upon the time, the boats would come in here where we are standing we know that because i have a photograph of that. My wife collects historic post cards of San Francisco, and we have photographs of the Ferry Building with all the piers in place. The Ferry Building went through the 1906 earthquake. How badly damaged it was it . Just the clock tower was rendered on safe or compromised. It was rendered unsafe or compromised. They had thought about taking the clock tower down, but it has remained largely intact. We will talk more about the clock tower later on. It is beautiful. Somehow or another, this big platform got built. Do you know approximately when . In the 1970s, the park came in. They built the platform. It building and underneath this platform and across the bay. This was developed as part of the bart transportation strategy . Correct, and the park construction at that time. It is not on this plaza, separated a little bit, lets colligate e lets call it gate e. It is adjacent. It them every now and then i talk to people who are out of town and people say where is the giant ball park. I say that it is next to pier 40. They make the assumption that it is next to pier 39, but we know that is not true. The numbering is bob and even. It the numbering is odd and even. Then north of the Ferry Building we have pier one. 1, 3, and 5 have been redeveloped into a combination of office space and restaurants. They are in the process of leasing those out and it is also listed on the National Register of Historic Places being a sailor, you are familiar with the public wants that sits behind us. Usually, i sailed out of south harbor pier 40. There are very few places along the whole bay waterfront or there is Public Access. Right up the street at pier 1 1 2 is a brand new public launch or you can pull in a boat up to 40 feet, spend hours, and it is a wonderful thing. Whoever did that, thank you. It is a Public Private partnership that was done with the port redevelopment. We hope to be putting in more of that type of facility up and down the waterfront as part of a collection of smaller facilities that may someday be used by a water taxi. Excellent. Is there any major change or vision for the plaza behind here . Were just starting to look at phase two of the downtown Ferry Terminal, looking at how we will accommodate three times as many ferry passengers. We will look at this plaza, how we best make use of it. How can a complement the Ferry Building and a much higher weight than it does now, and also a place where people want to be. That will be part of the upcoming study. We have all these various uses to make sure theyre not conflicting, the use as a Farmers Market and passengers, parking. I thought there were no parks or trucks allowed. What is the deal here . Deliveries. All of the marketplace and merchants need to have vehicles to bring bread and delivered bread to other restaurants. That is true, we are orienting the Ferry Building, the first floor anyway, as part of a food center, restaurants and Food Services and supplies, and we need a place to deliver. You surely cannot park on embarcadero to deliver. You need a place to do it. When i tried to drive back here, they will not let me. There are a number of public and private parking garages within walking distance. People who visit the Farmers Market or Ferry Building can find those. Some of those are on the website. We just heard three blasts of the ferry horn. That means . Backing up, and 5 means watch out, imminent danger. Look at the Ferry Building, it was built in 2003, just after returned 100 years old. That is the first major piece of this area. The next piece will be the continuing expansion of the downtown Ferry Terminal, keeping the transportation function of the Ferry Building authentic. It is the Ferry Building, outgoing on ferries. That is the primary use. Also, looking at renovating the other historic structures. Pier 1 has been renovated, one andahalf to 5 are on the historic register. To continue to take care of these historic resources, and then improve the facilities for passengers, more covered waiting areas, and also looking at the public space. When you are a visitor to the waterfront, riding the ferry are coming down to enjoy the waterfront, that public space is what you expect and enhances the visit. I remember something about uses on the waterfront having to be maritime related. Is there a change in that direction . The port is a very nontraditional port. When you think of most ports, they are cargo facilities. The port of santa cisco has limited cargo, but it is very diverse. The port of San Francisco has limited cargo, but it is very diverse, fishing industry, tugboats, ship repair, cargo, and a couple of others. As we redevelop the waterfront, we are integrating all of those individual uses into new development. You mentioned one and a half, the boat dock. We are working on a terminal facility, pier 27, always looking to integrate those in. Unfortunately, those all need money, so we have to look at revenuegenerating sources. Are you limit it to maritime uses . There are other uses. We are state land, not city property. The state land has a lot of uses. The office has to be maritime related, unless it is an historic building. Our facilities have to be for the people of the state of california. They have to enhance that visit there. Theyre not local surfing. We cannot do any residential on the waterfront and we cannot do any hotels over the waterfront. There is property on the embarcadero for that. Somebody told me there were 11 different agencies, probably more that regulate the use of the space. It is the city and town of santa cisco, the port, of San Francisco, the port, the army corps of engineers, fish and game, boating and wildlife. Every time somebody wants to do something, and has to go through all of these review agencies. It makes it very interesting. The port is really a separate administrative jurisdiction. The ferry boat we are not on the a theory but we are on is not regulated by them. At the port has its own authority granted by state law, state charter which says they have their own building department, they issue their own permit, planning department. It is a separate government organization. The primary mission as described by state land, number one, to provide for maritime commerce, navigation. No. 2, it is to protect natural resources. Third, it provides facilities that attract people to the waterfront. That is what the state Land Commission is. The port does not share a budget with the city. They cannot collect any tax revenue. They do not have any taxing authority. The port lives and dies by the revenue it generates on the port property. How is the Ferry Building doing in terms of creating revenue . It has been phenomenally successful. We are fully leased. The active merchants are incredibly happy to be part of the vibrant community. This is one of the most see places in San Francisco. Anybody who comes here from out of town, you have to walk through the Ferry Building. There are a lot of visitors here. Definitely a lot of locals, too, who feel strongly about the connection to the marketplace. You were mentioning that this is pierre pier 14. First, it was a brick water for the downtown Ferry Terminal, constructed in 2001. After that, we added Public Access on top of it and connected it to the land side. Now is eight 637footlong Public Access pier to enjoy the day, watched the very activity. There is a little bit of art on top of it. There are swivel chairs on a it and there are little sea can you t about proposition a that may affect this waterfront parks that may affect the waterfront . Of the voters approved proposition 8. Which was how much . The total bond was 135 million. It will improve about 6 open spaces on the waterfront. It 11 years ago, the port developed its first ever land use plan, and part of that list policy for continuous open waterfront of 7 1 2 miles of the port of San Francisco waterfront and in public spaces every fiveseven minute walking intervals. Over the last 10, 11 years, we have been implementing that. Now, proposition a, that will allow us to add about six more. This is part of a bay trail . Not the sand and cisco bay trail, which goes all the way around the bay the sand and cisco bay trail, which goes for all the way around the bay. Walking trail or bicycle . It is both. Ok, dan has to go. Thank you very much. Thank you, enjoy the water. Ok, were going to go around to the front door and look at this. The Ferry Building was originally built on woodpiles. That were driven down into the mud. Not the bad rock. It is almost impossible to find bad rap here it is almost impossible to find that rocked bedrock. They brought this so they could build the ventilation shaft, and the Construction Materials were brought here. The same thing is true if you go up to camp mather. A lot of what you see at camp mather was built, part of the construction shack and places for people to lift when they build the dam. The same thing is true here. This is the bart ventilation shaft and the ferry. The average water depth isz about 40 feet, and that is about right. On this side of the bay, we have average depths better 35, 40, 50 feet. The east side of the bay is very shallow. Then the larger ships that come through need to have at least 40 feet. They actually have to dredge up some of it. There is a very limited channel through the bed. In a sailboat, you cannot turn and get out of the way. Next, were going to walk across the plaza and into the Ferry Building. We will have over and stop at this store, and we have not all of these phenomenal mushrooms. And we have all of these phenomena mushrooms. They have an official title and placard. He is one of our tenants. Ihe started out as a beat cop in San Francisco, helping out at the Farmers Market. He had grown up at a farm. He started getting interested in mushrooms, and it has grown into this incredible business. Are any of these local . Their family farm is at moth landing. They also going to the forest, and they did not tell anybody where theyre going because there are very particular. You will see a forger walking through a building with a mushroom that the found after a big rainstorm and probably bring it in here. Them excellent. I have never seen some of these before. The lions mane mushroom . Some of these are great. I love mushrooms. I am a big portobello fan. They are phenomenal. And the prices are the same as they are anyplace else, very reasonable. Very reasonable, and it is going right to the grower. This is an organic meat company. Since 1968, there has been no foreign cows or cattle and there. As a very pristine, beautiful meet. Could i have you explain the dates . Sure. The tag number is right on the label. That allows us to trace the steer back to its mother, its mothers mother, how they were raised, how they lived. What is on sale today, what is the special day . Everything is special. The caveman pork chop. Fascinating. Bone in. Wow. That is something you do not see very often. The belly is attached. Bacon and the loin, if you so desire. Thank you very much. In 1999, we put out a rfp to restore the building. They decided to restore this in the middle of the building and opened up this cut out to connect the bottom floor with this area that was traditionally storage for luggage, trunks and supplies for the ferries. The connected the bottom floor with the skylight and really open up the building. Is still open . It was still open it, and the second floor was the original waiting room. The port was very intrigued by the local business uses that would be down here. It took about four years to restore the building, and it took close to two years to lease it because we started early in the redevelopment of the building. We are fully leased. Lots of wonderful partisans lots of wonderful artisans. Unqualified success. In the 1950s, after the bridges were built, the port and the ferries stopped in the late 1950s. At the port was looking for new ways to build revenue. That is when they started to chop up the building on the second and third floor into small offices. That brought revenue, but also took away a lot of the historic elements. It was mostly restaurants beneath. Then in 1972, the ferry started. In 1989, we had the earthquake that rendered the double decker freeway on safe. Unsafe. In 1989, the Ferry Building was a symbol of the earthquake because the clock stopped and the flagpole on the top was tipped over at 10 degrees. This became a symbol of the earthquake. This is sort of the end product of finally taking care of all the damage that was brought by the earthquake. When the freeway was taken down, it provided this visual corridor and reconnected the city to the building and that opened up the dialogue. The original urban planning of San Francisco, always wanted the Ferry Building to anchor bourbon st. It is amazing that the freeway up there has been changed around to see the visual connection, literally all the way up Market Street to the Ferry Building. It it feels like the heart of San Francisco. What shop is this . A chocolate shop. This is one of our original Farmers Market food are lessons food artisans. He uses a lot of wonderful local ingredients, lavender, and also incredible lime that he then dips in key lime juice and then they are dried. Then they are dipped into a beautiful artisan chocolate, and it to me epitomizes what it is all about, local ingredients, very traditional french techniques when it works with the chocolate. I want you guys to try it. It is super, super good. Yes, i will take a piece here. Enjoy. Enjoy. Take one and pass it around. San francisco has become a chocolate center. Dear deli, they realize theyre not going to make money with gold, one back to france and brought back chocolate equipment. And longtime chocolate tradition. I was reading house so many people came here for the6n and some of the smart people stay here because they said these people are going to need services, food, places to stay, entertainment. People bought land and made buildings. Some people made their fortunes in the gold fields, but a lot of people who started their companies after the gold rush made it really big. Some of them are still here, historic buildings, is sort restaurants historic restaurants, and were trying very hard to preserve not just the physical brick and mortar of San Francisco boat San Francisco history, but there is also a real push to preserve the cultural, meaningful institutions, businesses, restaurants, other services. I encourage you all to support San Francisco businesses. There are so many old restaurants. This is some serious chocolate. It is really good. Q . Our groves were planted r 100 years ago. It is called the silver ridge ranch, and it is all spanish olives, extra virgin, less than 0. 8 at the city. Acidity. We offer a house plant, which is a nifty blend of five types of spanish olives, which incorporates this into that. We also offer a tangerine olive oil, a new product, fresh tangerines. You taste possessed from the appeal of the tangerine. You taste the zest from the peel. Emerge very well. Excellent. They sell different types of salt here which are a big thing in it killing our world. I have found at home that it makes a big difference the texture of the salt, not word is from where it is from. Where is this from . It is from france, the top layer of of salt, a very fine salt. For every 80 pounds of the great salt, 1 pound of this is made. We did not really talk about the clock tower yet. At 230 feet tall, this is built as a replica of of the clock tower in spain. This was electrically i polite. Electrically operated . Correct, but it still can be run mechanically. Ithe clock master comes in at te time that it is changing. We also have clock watchers across the street who tell us if it is off by a second, so he is very attached to the clock. We have a clock master. And look at this, the hands of the clock. Look how big they are. The holy mackerel. Nobody is up here. But this. It the great seal of the state of california. This is a wonderful mosaic. It is wonderful. It was original to the building. Tens of thousands of people cross by every day. This is the waiting area. The larger alcoves or for storage. And the big plants that would go out to meet the ferries. People would come out to meet the ferries. And then go to the trolley cars. The family of the original artisan still lives in the bay area and they come by every so often to make sure that it is in tact and being taken care of. Furry little repair to it. This is the before and after, 1910 to 1960s, 1970s. This is what the building looked like during that time. It was under plywood and carpeting for about 30 years. This was amazingly preserved underneath all of that when it pulled up. How to the ventilate this . Are these operable . H[ph they are not. We have a cool air intake from the bay. Because of the atrium, it would be nearly impossible for any air conditioning, so we have cool air intake on the bayside. That cools the building down. When i first artwork in here, i was fascinated with all the arches, the repetitive arches. The original architect used it as a symbol of the talks in rome, a symbol of how important the water and the waterways are to us city. To the city. It looks like an aqueduct structure. What are the uses of this floor and above . We have about 10 it office spaces, private businesses, law firm, financial management, lobbying firms. There are all local businesses. They are all local businesses, very supportive of the marketplace. I know that some part of this building, the water goes underneath, the bay water is under there . Yes. Is it under the whole building . There is a sea wall, probably right under where you are standing. A lot of it is on the pilings. I have seen a guy on a little boat that goes under there and make repairs. And also, the coast guard comes, anytime there are logs floating in the water, we have to call the coast guard. Acting get hung up underneath the pipes. I want to thank you all for coming. Thank you so much for your great information. I hope to see you all again next month for our next program. Thank you very much. [gavel]. Chair peskin good morning and welcome to the San Francisco county Transportation Authority meeting for today, august 25, 2020. We have a new clerk today, miss brittany milton, who comes to us from the contracting industry, and we are delighted that she is on board, and someday, well work with her in the board of supervisors chambers. With that, ms. Milton, welcome, and if that, could you please call the roll. Clerk yes. [roll call] clerk we have quorum. Chair peskin thank you, ms. Milton. Do you have any announcements . Clerk yes. Public comment will be available for any item on this agenda by call 8882045987, and entering