classified budget, so it gives you a little bit of the sense of the scope of how much money the us is devoting to this. we're apparently — not apparently — we are devoting more moneyjust again on the unclassified side, dod has $10 billion for cyber — that's more than all of the other civilian agencies combined, which are much more focused on defence. i see, and i think people will relate and understand hacks on the businesses, their passwords and things like that. is there any evidence so far kind of that there is any cyber activity or hacking that has actually uncovered any sensitive military information on either side? well, it depends on how you define the word hacking here. certainly, if you talk about things like wikileaks and some of the secrets that were exposed with the help of insiders like chelsea manning, you're looking at — again, if you want to call that hacked, sometimes that's defined as that according to the insider threat kind of model of how cyber works.