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Plus portuguese Detectives Have told the bbc they never believed Madeleine Mccann was taken during a burglary which went wrong. Its ten years since the three year old disappeared. And claims that rules which limit the amount of time people can spend on bail wont actually make any difference. You feel like youve had a crime done to you by the state and there is no one to done to you by the state and there is no one to answer done to you by the state and there is no one to answer for it. And no apology. That full exclusive report before 10am. Hello and welcome to the programme. Were live until 11am. Throughout the morning, the latest Breaking News and developing stories. A little later, well speak to some of the men in this photo. The m men all students at Cambridge University have got together to prove that young black men can go to cambridge. They were admitted in 2015 and they say it was hard, but if we did it, you can too. Do get in touch on all the stories were talking about this morning. Use the Hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged at the Standard Network rate. The eu will announce their plans for the brexit talks this morning and there are signs that brussels may demand a much higher divorce bill than previously thought. 0ne newspaper reckons we may face demands for as much as 100 Billion Euros. Countries including france, germany and poland are said to have hardened their negotiating position. Lets speak to our politics guru, norman smith, In Westminster. How far howfarapartare how far apart are britain and the eu 27 . Well, what we are seeing, it is like when you get two heavyweight boxers at a weigh in going eyeball to eye ball, boxers at a weigh in going eyeball to eyeball, there is a lot of Muscle Flexing and public posturing. We had yesterday theresa may warning she is going to be a bloody difficult woman and now, we have the eu hitting back with reports that they could demand we pay 100 Billion Euros to leave the eu. This follows work done by the eu. This follows work done by the ft journalist the eu. This follows work done by the ftjournalist today in which they say the eu brexit bill could run to 100 Billion Euros. The french and the poles are saying we would like britain to pay some of our Farm Subsidies into the future. You get a sense that both sides are trying to position each other to try and play tough. Ina position each other to try and play tough. In a way, thats for domestic consumption. Theresa may know it is looks good it present herself as a strong leaderment how many times have we heard her going on about that . There is a view that David Cameron got rolled over when he went into the negotiations because he was a bit too amenable and too co operative and it makes sense to play hard ball. The risk, of course, if mrs may doesnt live up to the sort of bloody difficult woman language then shell be seen and accused of having backed down, of having bottled it. So there are risks in this strategy, albeit this morning the Brexit Secretary david davis was adamant were not going to be paying 100 billion pounds. They have offered £50 billion, £60 billion, £100 billion, we have not been given an official number. Reporter we could be paying £100 billion . No, thats not the case. Weve come to the end of paying vast suitis weve come to the end of paying vast sums of money every year to the European Union. David davis the Brexit Secretary. So what are the parties up to today . David davis the Brexit Secretary. So what are the parties up to today7m isa what are the parties up to today7m is a retro election day today because from the conservatives we get a Tax Bombshell Dossier. Im old enough to remember successive elections when the conservatives have repeatedly produced Tax Bombshell Dossiers, the first person to do it wasjohn major in 1992, today we get another Tax Bombshell Dossier where labour have got unfunded Spending Commitments which will cost the taxpayer £115 billion. Labour are furious and say its lies, their word, a lot of these so called Spending Commitments are not actually party policy, but they have been having their own sort of retro election today by going back to labours favoured theme, namely the nhs, saying they would tear up these plans which Hospital Trusts have been asked to come up with basically to pair back on money, but which could mean a e departments being downgraded and they say theyd rip them up and start over again. We have the tories going on about the Tax Bombshell and labour going on about save our nhs. Kind a retro of election. And just how old are you, norman, just out of interest . Getting close towards 60 Never Never Never get out of here. No way more from norman through the morning and through the next few weeks as we head to that General Election. Joanna is in the newsroom. Political parties are taking to the streets in the last day of campaigning ahead of tomorrows local elections. Nearly Five Thousand Council Seats are up for grabs across england, wales and scotland. The poll will give voters a chance to deliver their verdicts on the main parties before the General Election next month. There are also eight mayoral elections. Today marks ten years since the disappearance of Madeleine Mccann. The bbcs Panorama Programme has learnt that portuguese detectives never believed the main British Police theory that the toddler was taken during a burglary gone wrong. The three year old went missing from a Holiday Apartment in Praia Da Luz On 3rd May 2007. Despite Extensive International inquiries, no firm leads have been found and the investigations remain open. Jon kay reports. Ten years. Ten years since everything changed here. A little girl vanished on a holiday with her parents. Its unbelievable that nothing, there has been nothing. You know nobody has found anything. They havent found the child, they havent found anything. Jenny murat remembers it like it was yesterday. She only lives a few yards from the block where madeleine disappeared. Back then she set up a stall outside, appealing for information. She never imagined that the case would still be unsolved a decade on. This comes into my mind every day. Every single day. Everything you look at and you see all around you is. It connects somehow to the fact that a little girl disappeared. There are still so many theories. This week it has been claimed that on the Night Madeleine disappeared a mystery woman was seen outside the familys apartment. Jenny told me she saw this woman who is now reported to be a significant part of the investigation. I noticed her and she kind of looked as if she was trying to hide. I do remember that she was wearing a plum coloured top. For the first time, jenny has also told us about a car she saw that Night Speeding towards the mccanns apartment, heading the wrong way down a one way street. It was one of the small cars, like a rental car, the normal everyday sort of rental car. Were you able to see the driver . I saw the driver. I was beside the driver. We just looked at each other and i think he had a very british look about him. Please give our little girl back. She repeats her plea in portuguese. Ten years of unprecedented publicity. Appeals, but no answers. It has had a huge impact on my personality. Jennys son robert was to be named a suspect in the case. A decade on, his name may have been cleared, but he still cannot bear to look online. The internet is full of theories. Id like to know the truth. Id like to know the truth, not theories. I just want to know why that was the case. It didnt only lead to me being destroyed, it led to my whole family being destroyed and affected by those allegations. It was completely untrue. And you are adamant that you were not there that night . 100 . Ten years ago this was just another sleepy village. Now it is the place where madeleine disappeared. Detectives have been given more time to question three young women arrested on suspicion of terror offences. The women, all teenagers, were detained in east london on monday. The operation was linked to a raid in North West London last week, during which another woman was shot and wounded by police. Senior Police Officers and defence lawyers have criticised new rules intended to reduce the amount of time people can be kept on police bail. Last month, a new 28 day limit on Pre Charge Bail was introduced in england and wales. It followed criticism from people who were kept on bail for months or even years during high Profile Investigations into historical sexual abuse and Phone Hacking. But this programme has been told the new time frame is unrealistic and may be counter productive. Well have more on this at 9. 30am. The england footballer aaron lennon has been detained under the Mental Health act. The 30 year Old Premier League star was taken to hospital for assessment amid concerns for his welfare after police found him near the side of a road in salford on sunday. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news more at 9. 30am. Do get in touch with us throughout the morning use the Hashtag Victoria Live and if you text, you will be charged at the Standard Network rate. After 10am, we will talk to four people who never voted. Actually, thats not true, one thinks he voted once, but hes not sure. In the next half an hour or so, we will tell you more about the 30 or so will tell you more about the 30 or so people we spoke to, eight of whom didnt know there was a General Election in five weeks time only three would go on camera though. Stay tuned for that. Lets get some sport with hugh woozencroft. And were going to talk about Cristiano Ronaldo. He continues to be so impressive at the very highest level of football. Iimagine i imagine 2017 he will be favourite to make it five. Last night the former england defender, his old team mate, phil neville likened him to pele or george best. He was in imperious form to help real madrid Ta Ke Imperious form to help real madrid take a step towards the Champions League final. They beat their city rivals Atletico Madrid thanks to ronaldos 11th hat trick for the club. They have the chance to become the first back to back winners of the first back to back winners of the Champions League as well and that would be a third title in four yea rs that would be a third title in four years in the competition for them. A huge achievement even for a club with so much success. They are 11 time winners and their recent history, all of that success would be underpinned by Cristiano Ronaldo himself. Describe how good he is. Well, for ronaldo the record books continue to be rewritten. If you talk about footballing records, he just about has all of them to his namement if you want to talk about what his footballing legacy will be, he has taken the game to a new level. Aside from his personal accolades, his time at Manchester United and real madrid has been underlined by his professionalism on and off the pitch, his work rate in terms of his physical condition and his dedication to his craft. Portugal, his country, to their First International trophy at the European Championship last summerment if you were to mention like Beside Maradona and pele and his team mate, he wouldnt be out of place in a list like that. There is a strong case as well to call in him the best player who has ever lived and we can look at his stats. Last night, Cristiano Ronaldo scored that hat trick. He has back to back Champions League hat tricks in knock out games. He is the first player to achieve that after his five goals against bayern munich, he has eight goals in his last three Champions League games. The Atletico Fa Ns Champions League games. The atletico fans wont like the next one, he has scored more goals than their club another new benchmark as well, Cristiano Ronaldo has become the first player to move beyond 50 goals in the knock out stages of Champions League. He is up to 52 and 13 of those came in semifinals. I saw a tweet the other day saying the next time you feel sad remember how lucky you were to be around to see Cristiano Ronaldo and lionel messi play. We have been blessed over the last decade. Amazing stats. Tennis, there is reason to be optimistic for there is reason to be optimistic for the former wimbledon champion. Yes, good news yesterday. A great day for her and fer fans as well. The two time wimbledon champion returned toa two time wimbledon champion returned to a tennis Court Following severe injuries that were caused by an attack at her home last year. The 27 year old suffered tendon and nerve damage in her left hand when she was stabbed by an intruder in december. She posted a picture of practise in monaco saying, i hope this picture makes you as happy as it makes me. She was expected to be out for six months, but she said she has a chance at playing at the french open. That starts at the end of this month the best of luck to her with her recovery. Thank you, hugh. So it may feel like its been going on for weeks already but todays the day the general Election Campaign officially gets underway. From today every seat in the House Of Commons becomes up for grabs and mps revert to being plain old candidates although Government Ministers keep their titles and theirjobs. So over the next 35 days, how many more moments like this will we see . How much would Police Officers cost . We think it would be about £300,000. 10,000 Police Officers, what are you saying . No, i mean, sorry. How much will they cost . They will. It will cost. About, about £80 million. Mrs thatcher, why wont the argentinian battleship was outside the Exclusion Zone and actually sailing away from the falklands, why did you give the orders to sink it . It was not sailing away from the falklands, it was in an area which was a danger to our ships. As you went away, a microphone picked up saying that was a very bigoted woman. Is that what you said . I apologise if i bigoted woman. Is that what you said . I apologise if said anything like that. What i think she was raising about me was an issue about immigration, and saying there were too many people from Eastern Europe in the country. I do apologise if i have said anything that has been hurtful and i will apologise to her personally. Someone hasjust handed me the tape. You should never have put me with that woman. Whose idea was that . It isjust ridiculous. You can support man utd, the windies and team gb all of the same time. Of course i would rather you supported we st course i would rather you supported west ham. You have said before that the governors to choose. Do you choose west ham or villa . |j the governors to choose. Do you choose west ham or villa . I had what natalie wood described as a brain fade, i natalie wood described as a brain fade, Lam A Natalie Wood described as a brain fade, i am a villa fan, i must have been overcome by something this morning. There we are, these things sometimes happen when you are on the stump. I know how long this campaign has been for all of you. But i would urge you, if youve got anything else to do with the next five days, put it off. Until after may the 7th. Diy, sarah will be around your house to do video wire after may the 7th. Absolutely. Family weddings sarah will come to your Family Weddings after the seventh. You are promising 12 ilion pound cuts to the welfare bill, you have told people about two billion and you went tell voters the details of the rest because . We have gone into some detail, as you said. But the 10 billion, why when you tell voters the rest . Over the last five years we have managed to make savings in the welfare budget. But the 10 billion you havent explained, why wont you tell voters about that . Because what we have got to do is as we have in the last five yea rs to do is as we have in the last five years work through making those savings, and i think we have got a track record. Ok, is there anyone here who thinks as a voter they are entitled to hear the details . Yes well, all of those clips seem like a lifetime ago, dont they . Later this morning, well be speaking to a group of people between the ages of 23 and 50 whove never voted theyll tell us why. Although one thinks he might have done. Keen to hear from you this morning will you be voting . And, if not, why . Now lets speak to anne mcelvoy, Senior Editor at the economist magazine, guardian columnist and labour supporter 0wenjones, and daniel finkelstein, times columnist and conservative peer. Good morning. What sort of campaign are you expecting over the next few weeks . Spectacularly dull one, in live and by the kind of pratfalls that we saw yesterday, with diane abbott. Because once you have put a campaign intoa abbott. Because once you have put a campaign into a very tight framework of time, and it really is a four week campaign, everyone has to be abel the time. There hasnt been The Long Run Up or preparation. So u nless The Long Run Up or preparation. So unless you are really on top of your brief, someone will ask you something very awkward. Youre very good take there showed how often that happens historically. So i would expect some ups and downs but theresa may is its she is determined to make it a Boring Campaign because that is what she needs to get onto the terms she wa nts. Needs to get onto the terms she wants. She doesnt want any excitements. What would you say, 0wen . Excitements. What would you say, owen . It was like youve been framed but less entertaining, that. The tories strategy at the moment is to say nothing about domestic policy, to stick the slogans over and over again, Lynton Crosby clearly is a pio again, Lynton Crosby clearly is a pro at this. He is the tory spinmeister general, he did the last General Election, and his whole approach is you just stick the key messages on the basis that most vote rs messages on the basis that most voters phase out and so on. It will be interesting to see if voters find that a bit insulting, where you just hammer away at slogans which are quite awkwardly just hammer away at slogans which are quite awkwardlyjust thrown into answers without focusing on the substance. What do the tories have to say on the nhs, which the red cross said was in a humanitarian crisis earlier this year . Education, Public Services, tax. The economy first at the moment we dont have answers. Whether you like labour or not, they are setting up policies. Today they are making this point about the latest top down nhs reorganisation, whereby 35 accident Emergency Departments are in risk of closure or downgrade. They argue they will make a stop to that. Will they will make a stop to that. Will the tories respond to the depth of that, the substance, or will itjust be Lynton Crosby slogans . What do you think, daniel, Public Services are under pressure, Education Budgets are stretched, and parts of the nhs seem to be in dire straits. Lam sure the nhs seem to be in dire straits. I am sure the conservative campaign will focus on what they want to do, which will be strong and stable leadership, they know that is an issue people with them. Most Election Campaigns dont convert people. They start with an opinion, owen has his opinion and i have mine, it is unlikely anyone is going to say will change that. So what you wa nt to say will change that. So what you want to try to do is put to the front of peoples minds the issues oii front of peoples minds the issues on what they agree with you. So campaigns have to be disciplined in order to achieve that. Obviously you also get the advantage in an Election Campaign of unscripted moments. Sometimes, we journalists overestimate the impact that makes. In some ways, it would be lucky if people notice them at all, and certainly yesterday there was all that fuss about diane abbott. Yes, it was a performance that would have embarrassed her because i can imagine doing something terrible like that myself. In the end people probably didnt notice it that much. The other thing is we dont always know what is a platform at the time and what is a success. Afterwards we frame things, but if you get Something Like the neil kinnock we are all right, that sheffield rally. I was speaking to a journalist who isa i was speaking to a journalist who is a very successful Sketch Writer at the time, and he got back on the bus, and everyone said, that was great commie was on fire. It was only when you got away from the scene of the crime, if you like, these were the days before mobile phones, everyone got home and said thatis phones, everyone got home and said that is awful. Just remind viewers what the problem was with that, because it was 1992. The problem was hubris. We have seen it a little bit in Emmanuel Macron in france going into his election, a rather inexperienced politician, Brilliant Quy inexperienced politician, brilliant guy, after the first two rounds of voting, he sounded like he had it in the bag, he had his arms of the air, said this image is that he has scored the goal. But he hasnt, he has just got scored the goal. But he hasnt, he hasjust got a scored the goal. But he hasnt, he has just got a very good pass, and that was the problem for kinnock and needs to be avoided. That was yesterday, with diane abbott, but my worry is that most of the press will be scrutinising the opposition, and i think we need to shift the balance a little bit more. Of your sleeve that was a blooper, but we should be debating Labour Party Policy yesterday, that is what the media should do. And plenty of media did. But then you have to have it tested and if the figures dont routinely stand up, whether it is on the nhs 01 stand up, whether it is on the nhs or policemen was, then you cant say youre not being fair to us. But they do stack up, thats the point. Miracle maths. That is not fair. Just to give you an example. Just finish briefly that point about policing. I am sitting here with two pro government voices here. Policing. I am sitting here with two pro government voices herelj policing. I am sitting here with two progovernment voices here. I am not a pro government voice. Progovernment voices here. I am not a progovernment voice. Oh, come on. We invited anna calvin to be the neutral one. You are pro labour and we had a pro conservative. Luke beautifully neutral, as the bbc are. The proposals on police are to get 10,000 more Police Officers, which would cost 800 million, so they still have a huge amount of money left over, just so were clear on that. From the promises we have had so that. From the promises we have had so far, the clues we have had so far, the extra Police Officers, the million more homes from labour, pay rise for nhs staff, from the conservatives, vat wont go up, which means National Insurance or income tax might, and the promise of this energy price cap. Do those individual policies add up to a coherent vision for the future of britain for any of you . Grate i think there is going to be a choice, there is away is a choice between a labour and conservative government, extension to buy the position that John Mcdonnell and Jeremy Corbyn ta kes. John mcdonnell and Jeremy Corbyn takes. If labour is elected it will spend more on Public Services, tax more and borrow more. I think we have been down that path, it wasnt successful, in the end i think poor people end up paying for it. That is one of our fundamental disagreements because you dont. Sometimes at elections can eliminate that, but we dont have a hypothesis, so a tax syste m dont have a hypothesis, so a tax system that somebody in notes is a particular tax it gets spent on a particular tax it gets spent on a particular thing. You have to take an overall view on whether you think labour or the tories are likely to be able to balance the books was to ta ke be able to balance the books was to take the view that labour has failed at. Is it wise believing any Party Figures going into elections. To re establish my impartiality, we have seen this done repeatedly by a run of conservative governments, that the target is not a target any more, then there is a deficit reduction target, and frankly if we follow this and feel a little bit sceptical about it, and we are a group of people who have to do this for a living, had we think the voters respond to it . The toriess re cord voters respond to it . The toriess record is important here because they said they would wipe out the deficit by 2015, didnt get close. They have added more debt than every Labour Government put together. M course, because the deficit is too high. You have said the poor has suffered the consequences, we have suffered the consequences, we have suffered the consequences, we have suffered the longest squeeze on Living Standards for a generation. What labour have to get clear is a vision because it is not about individual policies, most people dont think like that. It is a case of putting money in your pocket, whether it be a £10 living wage for example. Labour is the Borrowing Party and it will borrow more. The reason the conservatives have done thatis reason the conservatives have done that is even with all the pressure the conservatives have exerted, all of which you have opposed and labour as opposed, the is still too high. There has been no talk about the deficit yet. 2015 everyone was obsessed with it. I think it is important the conservatives turn to that, because it is an important pa rt of that, because it is an important part of the public debate and if it was that i was an Election Strategist they can win on it. If you are strong strategist they can win on it. If you are strong on strategist they can win on it. If you are strong on the economy, and the conservatives are far ahead on that. You win on economy full stop the deficit between what we bring in and what we spend and that is where we have the shortfall. There are quite a few people not at all in gauge the yet with this General Election. In fact there are quite a few people who dont know that a General Election is in a few weeks time. Have a look at this. Are you aware that theres a General Election in june . No. I know, yeah. Im not aware of anything that is going on. Are you aware of who the Prime Minister is . You are 18, will you be voting in the election . minister is . You are 18, will you be voting in the election . I am so against us like that. I think eve ryo ne against us like that. I think everyone should vote. You have been given that though so you should definitely vote, regardless of what your opinion is. Vote because it is your opinion is. Vote because it is your right to do so first what do your right to do so first what do you have the say to that . Laughter i would rather not. I am not so interested in politics because what they say is not going to happen. dont take no noticeable that, because it doesnt matter whatever, they still mess up the country like they still mess up the country like they have done anyway. So it dont really matter to me. Do you feel your vote is important . No. Thats what im saying, it is rubbish, one takes over and is supposed to be better, nothing is ever better. We actually talk to about 30 people over 90 minutes or so, eight people did not know there was a General Election injune, only three would go on camera. It is worth bearing in mind, isnt it, for both journalists and politicians that actually some people have no idea, not that bothered, and turnout might be an issue. This is something that politicians organising Election Campaigns have to be aware of. You have got a certain amount of people that wont vote a nyway certain amount of people that wont vote anyway and although you want to put your message out, you cant do much about that, but you are interested in the people that are vaguely aware. The lady said she was sometimes aware of who the Prime Minister was people used to say that doctors had the question if someone that doctors had the question if someone had a blow to the head, it gets confusing when you change Prime Ministers, there is a looser National Awareness of what is going on at westminster than maybe there was 20 or 30 years ago. Can we talk about brexit . Which party is going to be honest with voters and say, we are going to have to pay a big bill for leaving the European Union. And we are going to end up with a worst trade deal than we have got now with the European Union. supported remaining in the European Union for those reasons. We have made the decision to leave the European Union sol made the decision to leave the European Union so i think the question people have to decide is what is the most coherent way and the strongest way of negotiating with the European Union . At the end of it, because i think this is one of it, because i think this is one of the choices, are we going to leave the European Union anyway or are we going to have to have a second referendum or a parliamentary decision that were not going to leave the European Union . Thats the debate in the Election Campaign. I voted remain and i take the view we made that decision it has to be respected. The lib dems offering a referendum on the final deal. Where are you when it comes to brexit . We have to just implement what the referendum saidment i supported remain, but the people made their decision. But the issue is on what terms do you leave . My fear is the premise of this election im afraid is fraudulent which is theresa may says this will strengthen a deal if she gets a bigger majority. Other European Countries dont care how many seats she has got. They are interested this their own electorate. The critical point is do we end up crashing out of the European Union without any deal . Do we end up as a tax haven and strip away social provision which makes this country great or do we keep the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union and defend jobs and the economy . That Dividing Line has to be made clear because i dont think people in this country are aware of the dangers what of tories will end aware of the dangers what of Tories Willend up aware of the dangers what of tories will end up doing . If you want to spend money on Public Services you will spend it whatever deal you get the the problem for theresa may and you have seen the hostile reaction from brussels and from other European Countries this week is that having done something, which she has to carry out, is not going to be easy. It wont be easy to get the trade deal and it wobt be easy to make Trade Arrangements so she is going to have to be very, very tough. She is going to get into Thatcher Mark two territory and she has to be prepared to be disliked. The ft report suggests the bill could be up to 100 Billion Euros. Into it is not a bill. We will be paying some of what we will be paying some of what we will be paying anyway. It is only a part of what we pay into the eu. So the question is how long will the transition period go . In all fronts in terms of the regulations and in terms of how much we pay into the European Union . These are bills that the European Union say are part of the European Union say are part of the future payment we have committed to. They are a generous estimates. It is like when the builder comes round and you get the estimate and you would like to knock a bit off it. The government are arguing we can keep the benefits of the European Union and get rid of the bits we dont like and the government needs. They are arguing when it come to the Single Market and the Customs Union. Labour are saying it doesnt want Free Movement and the benefits of the Single Market and it has been said. So youre saying, they will accept Free Movement if it has to . The European Union has made it clear, and thats, if you are going to have an end to free moment of labour, you are arent going to be allowed to have the benefits of the Single Market. What the priority is, what the aspiration, what they are aiming for, according to the polling most people want to stay in the Single Market in this country if possible. Are the next five weeks going to be about this . Strong. Strong. Strong. Strong and sta ble strong. Strong. Strong. Strong and stable leadership. Strong. Strong. Strong. Strong. Strong. Strong. Strong. Strong. Strong. Strong. Strong and stable leadership. Its a rigged system. Its a rigged stel. Theresa mays coronation, for her coronation. A rigged committee. Weve system thats rigged thats the difference. Thats the contrast to ensure that we have that strong and stable leadership. Thank you very much for coming on the programme we may talk again in the next few weeks if you come back, thank you. We will be on the road over the next few weeks. Is it about brexit, schools and the nhs and a bit of brexit . You will be able to tell us, debate and talk directly to politicians as well before Election Day Itself, we will before Election Day Itself, we will be in the Scottish Borders, the welsh valleys and we will kick off things next week in cornwall. If you live in or know those areas, they are big areas, then get in touch to give us a better sense of what matters to you and your suggestions of where to visit and people to talk to. Do e mail us. Ten years after her disappearance, portuguese detectives tell the bbc they never believed the theory that Madeleine Mccann was taken during a burglary that went wrong. Well be live in portugal and well speak to the man who got the inquiry reopened. And just why did 1a black cambridge students pose for this photo . Well be speaking to two of them. Heresjoanna in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today s news. The Brexit Secretary, david davis, has rejected suggestions that britain will be forced to pay up to £100 million as a final settlement to leave the eu. The european commissions chief negotiator Michel Barnier will publish the eus brexit Negotiating Guidelines this morning after a gathering of european leaders at the weekend. Some reports suggest negotiators have increased the size of the so called divorce bill which the eu will demand when the uk leaves the eu. We will see have the speech live in the next ten minutes or after 10am. Thats coming up shortly. Labour has dismissed conservative claims that theyre planning a tax and debt bombshell. The Shadow Chancellor, John Mcdonnell, has accused the conservatives of lying, saying the labour manifesto would be fully costed. But the tories insist theres a £115 billion gap between what labour is promising to spend, and what it would raise in revenue. Political parties are taking to the streets in the last day of campaigning ahead of tomorrows local elections. Nearly 5,000 Council Seats are up for grabs across england, wales and scotland. The poll will give voters a chance to deliver their verdicts on the main parties before the General Election next month. There are also eight mayoral elections. Today marks ten years since the disappearance of Madeleine Mccann. The bbcs Panorama Programme has learnt that portuguese detectives never believed the main British Police theory that the toddler was taken during a burglary gone wrong. She went missing from a Holiday Apartment in Praia Da Luz On 3rd May 2007. Despite Extensive International inquiries, no firm leads have been found and the investigations remain open. A former Scotland Yard commissioner has said continuing the search for madeleine was the right thing to do. Detectives have been given more time to question three young women arrested on suspicion of terror offences. The women, all teenagers, were detained in east london on monday. The operation was linked to a raid in North West London last week, during which another woman was shot and wounded by police. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news more at 10am. James says im a7. Me and my girlfriend who is the same abling have never voted. My reasons are, i dont have faith in them. They dont warrant me wasting my time and going to vote. John says, if certain members of the public are confused by the change in Prime Ministers, they shouldnt be voting. One person knows it is a privilege to vote and the other doesnt care. David says people are not aware there is an election, how could you not know . Mike tweets, this fascinating vox pops, many not knowing there is an election and who is the pm. Heres some sport now with hugh. Atletico stay on course to win the trophy for a third time this four yea rs. Colinjackson believes his entire career will be tarnished if proposals to scrap athletics World Records set before 2005 are adopted. The European Athletics taskforce thinks erasing records set from before Doping Samples were retained, could help the sport regain credibility. World number one andy murray says he expects Maria Sharapova to be given wildcard entry into this years wimbledon qualifiers. Former Champion Sharapova recently returned to competition following a 15 month drugs ban. The Salford Red Devils winger Justin Carney has been banned for eight matches after he admitted to racially abusing an opponent. He was sent off during their win over toronto wolfpack in the Challenge Cup last month. Thats all the sport for now. Ill have more after 10am. People kept on police bail for months, or even years, say it left them feeling suicidal and unable to move on with their lives. New rules have changed how long people can be bailed for, but will it have the desired effect . Our Reporterjohn Owen has been investigating. Clock ticks. Ive lost a year of my life. I dont even live in my own home. I live elsewhere, so that im not going to be arrested in the middle of the night. You lose. You lose all dignity. And you lose all purpose. It has driven me very close to the edge. Im completely a broken man. It isnt a complex case. Either my laptop did or didnt upload images to a flickr account. Pre charge bail is a police power that allows a suspect to be released from custody whilst a crime is investigated. With an obligation to return for further questioning, or to be charged at a later date. Questions around the length of time that suspects spend on Pre Charge Bail came to public attention after a string of high Profile Investigations into Phone Hacking and historic sex abuse. The police have some questions to answer. How do you feel about three years of your life wasted harassing journalists . Suspects complained that they have been subjected to long periods on police bail, and unnecessarily protracted Police Investigations. This devastated our lives. Although its only recently made headlines, thousands of people spend time on Pre Charge Bail every year. Some spend many months on the Police Scrutiny before even being charged with an offence. A few weeks ago, new restrictions came into effect designed to reduce the length of time that suspects spend under investigation. The new rules say that the length of time a person can be kept on Pre Charge Bail will be limited to an initial 28 days, but that a Senior Police officer can extend a persons bail time up to three months. After that, a magistrate can grant further extensions. But as the new rules come into effect, this programme has heard concerns that it wont address the problem they are designed to solve. These new rules dont do anything to ensure that investigations in general are going to be resolved more swiftly. In fact, i fear that they may even take longer. As well as concerns from senior Police Officers about implementing the new rules. We have a Police Service that is on its knees. 28 days just simply is not realistic. David prince spent two years under Police Investigation after being caught up in a complex fraud case. He was unaware of any proceedings against him until £31,000 suddenly disappeared from his business account. As the investigation progressed, he had almost 50 items of Personal Property confiscated, and the police froze his bank accounts. He described the psychological pressure of spending time under Police Scrutiny. It had a terrible effect on my life. I had no money to live off. Id sold everything that i owned of any value. I became very depressed. A lot of the depression kicked in after i was arrested and placed on police bail. And so a few months after that, i attempted to commit suicide, and for another twice after that i attempted to commit suicide, as well. You attempted suicide on three occasions . Yes. You must have been in a very dark place. I was in a terribly dark place. Having your whole life turned upside down, everything taken away from you, your business taken away from you, your personal accounts taken away from you. You feel like youve had a crime done to you by the state. And theres no one to answer for it. And no apology. Eventually it did come to an end. How did the Police Inform you that there were going to be no more investigations . Well basically, they sent me a very badly printed letter, this letter here. So, i can hardly even read this, because its so badly produced. This is how it came to you . Thats how it came to me, yeah. And you can sort of make out here that there is a cross mark where it says there is insufficient evidence to provide a realistic prospect of conviction. Thats right. And that made me feel absolutely awful. Rather than releasing me and saying, innocent, theyre saying insufficient evidence. Well, there is insufficient evidence because there is no evidence and i did nothing wrong. And they should at least acknowledge that. It reflects the process, you know. Theres no empathy in a Police Investigation. You are guilty or youre guilty. And thats the way youre treated all the way through. And even when you finish the process, you just havent been caught. And thats difficult to live with, and that makes you angry. Steve has spent the last nine months under Police Investigation. He is currently on Pre Charge Bail, and has had his bail time extended repeatedly. For legal reasons, we cant broadcast the full details of his case, or reveal his last name, but steve has been accused of making explicit images public online without the consent of the person shown in those images. Steve maintains his innocence, and is yet to be charged, still less convicted, of any offence. For the last nine, ten months, ive known at any time i could be arrested again, taken back and put in a cell. Youve been on bail for nine months already . Just over nine months now, yes. When you receive notice that that was going to be extended by an additional three months, you wrote an e mail to the police. Idid. And in that e mail, you said, this is not a police state. I have committed no crimes. If you want me in three then come and get me. Yes. You sound like a Man On The Edge in that e mail. I was on the edge there, and i did actually send them an e mail. The last e mail i sent to them said, look, this is affecting my Mental Health. Had i not for the first time gone and seen my gp about this, i do fear the worst. When you say you fear the worst. . Iwas. On the verge of being suicidal. And yes, it is awful. Talking to friends and telling them the full facts of the case, who has accused me and what i have been accused of. It has driven me very close to the edge. Steve has had his bail time extended on five separate occasions, and has spent months with his life on hold waiting to be charged or exonerated. I really did believe this time, because the inspector did write to me and say, look, we are going to get it sorted this time for you, the longest one ever of three months. Under the new rules, there is going to be a 28 day initial limit for Pre Charge Bail. Yes. But of course that doesnt Help Somebody in your position, does it . No, because im already on what they are calling now the old scheme, and i do believe im going to be put further and further back, because theyve got to deal with people on the new scheme, whereas with me, they can just write to me and put me back again if they are a bit busy. So you are worried that the 28 day limit. It could make it worse for me, yes. As an outspoken critic of the new regulations, vice chair of the Police Federation, calum macleod, shares steves concerns, and also believes that the changes will create Serious Problems for the police. The issue is, 28 days is a very, very short time frame. We have a Police Service that is on its knees. We are 23,000 officers less than we were in 2009. The pressure that these officers are under is immense. 28 days just simply is not realistic. In some cases, peoples lives are really torn apart by being under investigation by the police. Do you think the police ought to be more conscious of the fact that their investigations can have a very detrimental effect on the lives of people who have been accused of a crime . I take on board what youre saying in relation to the impact it has on individuals. That is right, i sympathise with individuals involved in the process. But sometimes its simply outwith our control in relation to the timelines that are involved. Do you think that the new bail rules will ultimately mean that people accused of a crime will be dealt with more swiftly than they were in the past . Ultimately, i think were going to end up with a lot of Unintended Consequences of this. What happens to the individuals who are released without bail . What mechanisms are there to ensure that that crime is investigated on the same level as somebody who is on bail . So youre saying that somebody could be released from custody without bail, but still be subjected to a very long Police Investigation without even the staging post of the bail system as was . That is exactly the point im trying to make. We put this last point to criminal defence lawyer ruth harris, and asked if the new rules would put any limit on the length of time a person could spend under Police Investigation if they are simply released from custody without bail . No, there is no limit on the length of Police Investigation for them. Whats important to notice thats going to be a really significant proportion of the people who are released while an investigation continues, because the new rules say that there must be a presumption that people who are released pending investigation are not released on bail, and not really subject to any bail conditions, so we going to see probably the majority of people released without any bail at all, and theyll be released with this stench of Wrongdoing Hanging round them, but no date on which they can imagine that the case is going to be resolved, and no mechanism by which they can challenge tardiness on the part of the police in resolving matters. When your clients are subjected to very long Police Investigations, what kind of an effect does it tend to have on them . Well, in answering that its important to remember who these people are that are subject to these provisions. These are people that have been identified as suspects by the police, and released under investigation. But often they are identified quite publicly, the suspects. So if you were facing an allegation which you contest, and have no way in which you can clear your name, and no clarity as to when the matter will be resolved, the stress on you can only be imagined. If you work in the criminaljustice system, or youve been on bail for a long period of time do get in touch. When the reform to the Pre Charge Bail rules came into effect on april 3rd, the Home Office Said the change brings an end to the injustice of people being left to languish on very lengthy periods of Pre Charge Bail. One today marks the 10 Year Anniversary of Madeleine Mccanns disappearance in portugal. Since then, many different theories have been investigated by both portuguese and British Police. Last week, the met, who have been running an investigation since 2011, said they are still pursuing critical lines of enquiry. Madeleine mccanns parents kate and gerry have been speaking to fiona bruce about how they feel a decade on from their daughter cosmic disappearance. Its that 10 year mark, which makes it more significant i think, thats a reminder of how much time has gone by. And obviously ten is a big number. I think that the day and the poignancy of it, that we dont tend to go back to the time because its so draining, but inevitably on the anniversaries and on her birthday they are by far the hardest days. How different is your life now to what you must have imagined all those years ago . Its a hard one, isnt it, because its such a long time . Before madeleine was taken we felt wed managed to achieve the perfect Nuclear Family of five. We had that for a short period and you adapt and have a new normality. Unfortunately for us a new normality at the minute is a family of four. Last time we talked you told me how you were still buying birthday presents and christmas presents for madeleine. After ten years are you still doing that . I still do that. I still do that, yeah. I couldnt not do. So you go around the shops and think madeleine would be this age now, what would she want . Thats it. I obviously have to think about what age she is and something that, you know, whenever we find her will still be appropriate. A lot of thought goes into it. But i couldnt not, shes still our daughter, she will always be our daughter. Jon kay is in praia da luz. It is so familiar this site, we have seen it in news bulletins, and newspapers over the last ten years, but it was just up the pavement on The Other Side, that is where kate mccann walked up ten years ago to check on the that win this Department Block and she discovered that madeleine missing. Ina and she discovered that madeleine missing. In a panorama on bbc one tonight, Richard Bilton will hear from the portuguese authorities who say they did not believe the suspicions of the British Police when the British Police got involved that this was a burglary gone wrong. Of course on The Other Side scotland ya rd were of course on The Other Side Scotland Yard were investigating and continued to investigate other lines as well. Investigating some deliberate abduction, whether there was a Paedophile Network at work. We know is that four local men who were questioned a of years ago as official subjects are no longer suspects, so it seems there are no longer any official suspects. Although police have said there is one significant critical line of enquiry they say that they are pursuing right now. We are not entirely sure what it is but it has been reported that it could be the siting of a woman on this very corner. A middle aged woman dressed in purple, we have been told. We have also heard from a witness while we have been here in portugal over the last couple of days who has said that as well as seeing a woman on this corner, she also saw a car speeding on a road towards this apartment in the couple of hours before madelyn was seen to be missing. Still so many questions and a nswe rs missing. Still so many questions and answers and found, unbecoming, and tonight the people of this immunity, Holiday Makers and experts will gather to remember not just Madeleine Mccann but a service for all of those children who have gone missing over the world. We can speak now to dr graham hill, who advised Portuguese Police when Madeleine Mccann first disappeared and wrote the review for the home office that led to the opening of British Police inquiry. What are your reflections today on that original investigation . what are your reflections today on that original investigation . I think looking back ten years on the picture was very confusing, as it is with most crimes of this type. But there was a definite sense of the British Police response was not particularly welcomed by the portuguese, and i can understand that, because its quite difficult to go to someone elses jurisdiction and give some advice about such a high profile crime. And give some advice about such a highprofile crime. What mistakes we re highprofile crime. What mistakes were made in the very early days of the investigation, and how has that impacted on what has happened subsequently . These are notoriously difficult crimes to investigate, you have to do things correctly and in a timely fashion, normally within the first 2a hours or a8 hours. If you dont, then the investigation can get away with you, and i think that is very clear that is what happened with this investigation. Certain things werent done in a timely fashion, and then you have to do them ina fashion, and then you have to do them in a very unusual sort of way. The classic example is that the pa rents the classic example is that the parents should have been eliminated from the investigation as early as possible, not weeks afterwards. Statistics tell us always eliminate close pivot of the child that has gone missing. Then you need to do your investigation thoroughly, your house to house investigation, because you never know what information you will be collecting and how important that will be in the future. Classic example of that, there are some research in america that says children that were abducted and murdered within the first 2a hours those cases that were sold, the suspect was actually spoken to by the investigation team. So that tells you how important it is to do those things correctly early. You wrote the review that led to British Police opening their own enquiry into Madeleine Mccanns disappearance. It is still ongoing. Metropolitan Police Service till investigating. £11 million has been spent up to now, is it worth continuing . Firstly when i read the review, i never envisaged it would still be investigated six or seven yea rs still be investigated six or seven years on. What you have to understand is when i wrote the review, the actual investigation was three and a half years old. And it accrued lots of information, some of that hadnt been dealt with correctly, that was very obvious. When it then went to the metropolitan Police Service to it was nearly four years old. So it is no surprise that they have had to decode and selectively go through all of that information, and then they have accrued a whole new lot of investigation from the enquiry on going. So it is no surprise it is still ongoing ten years later. On missing children cases like this, across europe, are they difficult to investigate . Massively, because they are so rare and there is not a lot of experience across europe in dealing with these high profile crimes. The other thing about it, the Child Rescue Alert System that is meant to help recover children that have been abducted, that is very fragmented across europe. It doesnt work slickly, and there is a whole case for saying what have we learned . If this happened again in 2017, would our response in the uk and across europe be any different . Im not so sure it would be. The not so sure we have learned the lessons. The thing is with these crimes, sometimes they take years to get detecting, sometimes they are never detected but the one thing we need to do is learn lessons from them so they dont happen again, what at least when they do we are in a better position to do with them. Thank you very much, dr graham hill. Still to come. The eus chief negotiator a man called Michel Barnier will set out eu guidelines for brexit talks in the next few minutes. Well bring you what he has to say live. The latest news and sport in a second. Before that, the weather from carol. It was chilly this morning, notjust in london, but across many other parts of the uk it was as well. Especially so when we have a clear skies. Where we have the clear skies is where we started off with some sunshine. The temperatures are now rising quite rapidly. So we take a look at some of our weather watchers pictures. This is a beauty from grimsby, lovely sunrise, lovely too this morning across yorkshire. Some blue skies. For most of us today will remain mainly dry. I say mainly because there are some rain around was the bid has been raining and still is across parts of kent and other parts of South East England as well. On the Satellite Picture you can see where we have got the cloud, now melting away but this is an area of cloud producing some rain. Not particularly heavy but it is there nonetheless. It will increasingly turn more patchy through the course of the day. You will also notice the wind. It is picking up and it is a cold wind blowing this cloud further westwards. It will be the far north west of wales for example by the time we get into the afternoon that will be hanging onto the sunshine. For the rest of wales, the cloud will continue to build. Moving across the irish sea into northern ireland, a chilly start. A beautiful one with a lot of sunshine, which prevails through the afternoon. Highs of 15 or16 prevails through the afternoon. Highs of 15 or 16 celsius. Across scotland, he too a lot of sunshine, yesterday in the west highlands, they reached 21 celsius, making it they reached 21 celsius, making it the warmest day in scotland of the year so far. Todays temperjob would be quite as ive stopped Northern England after a chilly start, lots of sunshine for you and then we run into all this cloud further south and east, thick enough to blog producing some patchy rain showers. That extends over in the direction of the south west of england, nonetheless we will still see one or two brighter spells as we go through the afternoon. Into the evening and overnight period, we still have this keen wind, still a lot of cloud and some showers. Under clear skies across scotland and northern ireland, it is going to be a cold night. The temperature will dip quite quickly after dark. Then some of the sheltered glens, we could well see a touch of frost. Tomorrow morning, that is why well see some sunshine for scotland and northern ireland. Still a noticeable wind, coming off a chilly north sea. If you are on that east coast will feel cold, even though there will be sunshine around. There will be more Cloud Across Southern Parts of england and wales tomorrow but the wind will help break it up in places. It is still thick enough to produce the odd shower. Temperatures in the west about 1a to 16, still round about ten to 12 as we are in the east. For friday, a similar story. Still in the east we are exposed to that wind so feeling cold, still quite a bit of cloud around southern counties, but elsewhere sunny skies, brighter skies and highs up to about 15. Into the weekend, except for the risk of some rain coming into the south west, it does remain fairly settled. Hello. Its wednesday. Its just after 10am. Im victoria derbyshire. The general Election Campaign gets underway today. It means more of this. Strong and sta ble it means more of this. Strong and stable leadership. Strong and stable government. Strong and staip leadership. Strong and stable government. Strong and stable leadership. That message isnt reaching everyone though. Are you aware that theres a General Election in june . No. Im not aware. Im not aware of any thing thats going on. It doesnt matter whatever, theyll still mess up the country like they have done anyway, so it dont really matter to me. Well be speaking to four young people, three of which who have never voted, one who cant remember if they have about their vote. Well speak to some of the men in this photo. The 1a are all students at Cambridge University have got together to prove that young black men can go to cambridge. And claims that rules which limit the amount of time people can spend on bail wont actually make any difference. You feel like youve had a crime done to you by the state and there is no one to answer for it. And no apology. Heresjoanna in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today s news. The Brexit Secretary, david davis, has rejected suggestions that britain will be forced to pay up to £100 million as a final settlement to leave the eu. The european commissions chief negotiator Michel Barnier will publish the eus brexit Negotiating Guidelines this morning after a gathering of european leaders at the weekend. Some reports suggest negotiators have increased the size of the so called divorce bill which the eu will demand when the uk leaves the eu. We will see have the speech live. Thats coming up shortly. Today marks ten years since the disappearance of Madeleine Mccann. The bbcs Panorama Programme has learnt that portuguese detectives never believed the main British Police theory that the toddler was taken during a burglary gone wrong. She went missing from a Holiday Apartment in Praia Da Luz On 3rd May 2007. Despite Extensive International inquiries, no firm leads have been found and the investigations remain open. A former Scotland Yard commissioner has said continuing the search for madeleine was the right thing to do. Ten yea rs ten years on, the picture was very confusing as it is with most crimes of this type. But there was a definite sense of the britis policing response wasnt particularly welcomed by the portuguese. Detectives have been given more time to question three young women arrested on suspicion of terror offences. The women, all teenagers, were detained in east london on monday. The operation was linked to a raid in North West London last week, during which another woman was shot and wounded by police. Senior Police Officers and defence lawyers have criticised new rules intended to reduce the amount of time people can be kept on police bail. Last month, a new 28 day limit on Pre Charge Bail was introduced in england and wales. It followed criticism from people who were kept on bail for months or even years during high Profile Investigations into historical sexual abuse and Phone Hacking. This programme has been told the new time frame is unrealistic and may be counter productive. Well have more on this later in the hour. The Sun Newspaper says thousands of the new one pound coins have cracked because of flaws in their production. The coins, which came into circulation in march, were supposed to be more secure. But the newspaper says its seen evidence that the pound can be warped and in some cases, the distinctive centre of the coin has fallen out. The turner prize shortlist contains two people over 50. One of britains leading black female artists, lubaina himid, has become the oldest person to be nominated for british arts most high profile award, the turner prize. At 62, himid is eligible for the £25,000 prize after it lifted its ban on the over 50s. Another Black British artist, 52 year old hurvin anderson, is also recognised after the rule change. The other two artists on the shortlist are german born Andrea Buttner and londoner rosalind nashashibi. The winner will be announced in december. Thats a summary of the latest bbc news more at 10. 30am. Heres some sport now with hugh. Cristiano ronaldo became the first player to move past 50 goals in the knock out stages of the Champions League alone, as he helped real madrid beat their city rivals atletico 3 0 in their semi final first leg at the bernabeu. Ronaldo scored the winning penalty in last years final between these sides and he was once again reals star last night. His hat trick means real are still on for their third Champions League title in four years. There have been threats of legal action from athletes who could have their World Records taken away. World champion and world record holder Colin Jackson says athletics authorities should get their own house in order before removing records from athletes like him. A controversial anti doping proposal could see those set before 2005 scrapped. Jackson held the 110 metre hurdles world record for 13 years and his mark over 60 metres remains unbeaten. Look at your house today and make sure your sport is in order. Eradicating records from the past surely is not going to make any difference to the future in that particular way. They have got to make sure that the Doping Situation is in hand today. And thats all the sport for now, victoria. David davis said the uk will not pay a divorce bill of £100 million when the uk leave the eu. The figure is higher than previous estimates of around 60 billion euros. There are claims the uk could be asked to contribute to Farming Payments after leaving the union. The eus chief negotiator Michel Barnier is setting out his guidelines and we can hear from him right now. The Business Community in each mother state and trade unions and Civil Society and we will continue. Our hard work paid off, the result of our collective work is what happened last saturday, the 27 leaders and president of the three institutions showing their unity by agreeing on clear guidelines for the negotiation. Today the Commission Proposes the recommendation that tra nslates proposes the recommendation that translates these guidelines into negotiating directives. In line with a two phase approach, these directives are for the first phase of the negotiations onliment our recommendations shows where we want to land when we conclude the first phase of negotiations. Notably on citizens rights, the final settle m e nt citizens rights, the final settlement and the new external borders. I will pay great attention to the situation in ireland and i will go to ireland next week. The uk must put a great deal of energy and thought into these three issues over the next weeks and months and that will increase the chances of reaching a deal. Some have created the illusion that brexit would have no material i will pact on our lives or that negotiations can be concluded quickly and painlessly. This is not the case. We need some solutions. We need legal precision and this will take time. How good is your french . I think we mightjust how good is your french . I think we might just leave it there how good is your french . I think we mightjust leave it there and maybe norman can translate because well talk to him next. But you got the gist of that anyway. Tell us what would you draw from what would you draw from what he said in sn he is one tough cookie saying anyone who thinks this is going to be easy, its going to be quick, think again. He said, dont be under any illusions, there is going to have to bea illusions, there is going to have to be a lot of change. There is going to have to be legal precision. This is going to take time. What is he going to say about money . Because we know there are suggestions that the eu could demand up to1 billion euros for us to leave the European Union. A huge bill which the Brexit Secretary david davis has already said no way, were not paying that. Meanwhile, here in old london town, in the general Election Campaign, money is also the issue with the tories today going through what they say are all the policies which senior labourfigures say are all the policies which senior Labour Figures have listed so far, totting them up and saying that money would cost £65 billion, how are you going to pay for it . They have looked at the taxes and say labour will change and say that will ropeble raise £20 billion, therefore, the poor old voter will face £a5 billion of extra taxes and debt ifJeremy Corbyn becomes leader. It was the chancellor, philip hammond, who set out that claim today in a News Conference behind me. Have a listen to what he said. His economic policies are a recipe for chaos, instability, uncertainty, and insecurity. Britain simply cannot take the risk of Jeremy Corbyn in Downing Street unleashing economic chaos on the country. Just when we need strong and stable leadership for our economy and our country over the crucial next five years, as we negotiate our exit from the eu, and chart a new course in the years beyond, Jeremy Corbyn offers a kay attic and high risk gamble that would lead to higher taxes, more borrowing and more debt. Just in case you didnt get the message behind mr hammond, we can show you the poster which the tories are launching today. This Tax Bombshell poster which they say ordinary families would face in taxes and debts ifJeremy Corbyn was elected. Thats the poster they want to stick in our minds, but let me say, it is turning into a bit of a retro election because if you wind back the clock, we have been here before. Let me remind you of 1992 do you remember that election when it wasjohn do you remember that election when it was john major versus do you remember that election when it wasjohn major versus neil kin ok, it wasjohn major versus neil kin 0k, Norman Lamont and chris patten unveiling what looks like a very, very similar poster now, how have labour responded to this charge . Well, frankly, they are furious because they are claiming that a lot of the things which the tories are saying are Labour Party Policy are not in fact Labour Party Policy are not in fact Labour Party Policy and John Mcdonnell this morning accused the tories of lying and of falsehoods. Have a listen. A pack of lies. Its an absolute pack of lies. I dont know why the bbc or the media are giving it any room whatsoever. Its an absolute pack of lies. Illjust give an example, theyve included £35 billion worth of investment money, Capital Expenditure. They dont seem to know the difference between capital and revenue. All you include in your day to day spending on Capital Expenditure is the interest rates, so its completely ludicrous. Then theyve invented figures in terms of commitments that weve given, which we havent, and then where we have given commitments they havent even identified where we have already said that funding will come from. Its a pack of lies. That is what has been happening on the Election Campaign. Michel barnier still on his feet. Lets have a listen. Many organisations, we need to respond by being transparent. This is why we are publishing today our recommendations of the Councils Negotiation directly, we will be transparent throughout the process. Transparency can help sustaining a constructive public to constructive public debate. I think the eu should always remain cool headed and socially oriented. We should put all of our efforts towards reaching a deal. This is the spirit in which i with the trust of the institutions and Allman The States will continue working. The eu 27 is on track to make sure that the uks withdrawal opens in an orderly fashion. That has now caused ten months of uncertainty, the uks decision to leave. We need to remove that. It is high time to start negotiating, as soon as high time to start negotiating, as soon as the uk is ready to come to the table, we shall start negotiating. The clock is ticking. And i am ready now to answer your questions. Before we start the remarks, please keep whatever you consider technical for colleagues who are here. Lets tried to cover different sensitivities, not to repeat ourselves. It is not impossible we will be able to answer technical questions as well. Translation good morning commissioner, two questions firstly on the financial settlement, i understand your argument that there are commitments and projects that are commitments and projects that are underway and should not be interrupted, but legally speaking, what is the basis for this request . And then a second question on dispute settlement, you are saying this will be taken care of by the European Court ofjustice. If i have understood correctly, as soon as the uk leaves the union, they will no longer be represented by a judge in the court. Do you think you will have to have a specific arrangement, where you ask the uk to bow before the other 27judges of where you ask the uk to bow before the other 27 judges of the court . Thank you. In response to your two points with sabine and stefanidi will be able to return to the details of this matter in which i have received and which i will apply with determination rigour. What we have in the guidelines are all the commitments which have been entered into between the uk and ourselves and vice versa. And there are of course certain common undertakings which have been entered into officially and legally for example in 2013 as to the beginning of the budget period, we have a whole range of obligations. Apart from that there are other obligations, these are the turkey. With regards to turkey. We then have the other things which we have covered, macroeconomic assistance to countries such as ukraine. This all has to be tarted up. We have entered into rigorous and objective work, which should be it will have to be totted up. I hear mention of punishment for the brexit bill, that is not the case. Commitments have to be honoured. Those responsibilities have to be honoured. Imagine for one moment what would happen were this not to happen . I want to reach an agreement on behalf of the 27, and i said in front of the committee of the region is what i see, we are trying to problems, we wish to resolve problems. Michel barnier, the brussels top negotiator when it comes to Britains Brexit talks will stop was talking about britains liabilities. Yes, dont be fooled by the diplomatic Suave Demeanour of mr Barnier Committee were saying basically bring it on. He says they will tot up the sums, britain has made common undertakings and there will be an incontestable final amount which britain will be expected to pay. We did not get clarity on whether it was £100 billion, but mr ban a will be suggesting it is non negotiable mr barnier. That gives you a sense of his determination to drive a very ha rd of his determination to drive a very hard bargain indeed. Clearly somewhat impatient with the way this has dragged on. He said we have had ten months of uncertainty, the clock is ticking, in other words get on with it. He suggested it will be difficult, brexit would lead to material consequences for britain, and he also raised a question about whether mrs may will be able to get this deal signed, sealed and delivered within two years, saying this cant be done quickly. Be in no doubt Michel Barnier is one tough cookie and he will drive a hard, ha rd cookie and he will drive a hard, hard bargain. Yes, he said it is not an exit bill, a punishment, it is just what britain owes. So brexit will be a big dealfor quite a few people when it comes to the General Election in the uk. But how much interest is there broadly in this election . Only 66 of those registered to vote actually bother to do so in the last election two yea rs to do so in the last election two years ago. The last General Election. That compares to 8a back in1950. Election. That compares to 8a back in 1950. This morning we are speaking to a group of people who simply dont vote. Chelsea stewart is a 30 year old Business Owner. Shes never voted. Josie cruse is 50, but she says she cant remember ever voting. Sherenejohnson is from birmingham. Shes 38 and works for a local Radio Station and has never voted. Mohamed sangarie is 23, an accountant and a city trader. Hes not sure, but thinks he might have voted once. Also here is ade 0nibada from bite the ballot which aims to get young people engaged with politics so they can feel empowered to campaign for changes. Tell us why you have never voted. My reason for not voting is quite simple. If we are given the power to vote for someone to be in power, i dont understand why we have now say after that. There is this Big Thing Put Together In Order to get us to vote, but my question after that is what after that . What more power do i have after that . Well, you have local council elections, but broadly speaking you have to wait for the next General Election. Thats not good for you. That is not good enough for me. I think there is too much say over myself as an individual by people that they do not know, that i do not sit and discuss anything with and who do not know me personally. And they generalise how they are going to govern my life and ijust dont agree with that. I completely understand what your grievance is. I know all of the arguments that people who dont vote have. It took a process for me to feel differently about that. I definitely feel politics is in need of shaking up and rebranding, as far as greater accountability. Your mp does have surgery accountability. Your mp does have surgery hours but a lot of people dont know that. Once beat you have the opportunity to meet with them as faras the opportunity to meet with them as far as what you want to take up with them but i completely understand where you are coming from, as far as not feeling like one person you see once every four years, it is not good enough and i completely agree with you there. Chelsea, what about you, with you there. Chelsea, what about you , never with you there. Chelsea, what about you, never voted. No. Ifeel likei dont have enough information to make a decision of that scale. To bring it back down really basic, when i make a decision for my company and my business, i do that based on, you know, facts, and things that can be held accountable. I dont believe a lot of the white noise thrown at me through media. You dont have any real control over it. Everyone is trying to look great when they are fighting for their job, everyone will say exactly what you want to hear. Ijust like the agendas of the agendas. I am not going to make that much of a difference. As i said, i dont have enough information. I didnt vote for brexit, because that is such a huge decision, and if i dont have the right information, i dont want to have that responsibility. What did you think of the outcome of the brexit vote . I didnt think it would happen, ididnt brexit vote . I didnt think it would happen, i didnt think it would be allowed, ijust happen, i didnt think it would be allowed, i just didnt happen, i didnt think it would be allowed, ijust didnt think it would ever happen. I understand why it happened. People want to change. People are bored. What would you say the chelsea . As far as not understanding the value of your vote, i completely understand the stop a lot of people think that my one vote wont make a difference. understand the value of it, and just because you have the right to exercise something doesnt mean you always should. I have the right to eat ten chocolate bars a day, im not going to because it is not beneficial. I just think as well not going to because it is not beneficial. Ijust think as well if lam going beneficial. Ijust think as well if i am going to make a decision that big, i need to have all those facts. I think if you are going to give me the responsibility to vote, you have the responsibility to vote, you have the responsibility to give me the information to make that informed decision. So you dont feel like mps are politicians give enough information . I am 30 now, but when i was in school we didnt have that information so readily available. We just werent educated, it wasnt really important. Maybe if i had heard that from a younger age i would have ta ken heard that from a younger age i would have taken more of an interest in it, i would understand it more. But a lot of the time it is fluff, it is noise. Political literacy is what we are trying to push for. As faras being what we are trying to push for. As far as being Change Makers or looking for solutions. You cant expect someone to know the language, now the process. I think that is pa rt of now the process. I think that is part of it. Regular people like myself are excluded from these things deliberately. They chuck a load of noise and fluff at you to keep you exactly where they want you to be. I would love to be able to say i will want to vote for labour or conservative, i would love to say i believe in what they are going to do. Ijust dont. Dont you think in you making that decision not to vote, you have basically delivered what they want, if you feel like you are being deliberately excluded . have never said i would never vote. If there was a campaign that touched on things that mean something to me, that can relate to me and my situation, my family, my circles, my lifetime, i would jump on it, of course i would. But you use hospitals to you, schools . Public service is . I do. You run a business, so you pay income tax, National Insurance, i mean, these are all things that politicians are talking about. Yes, and unfortunately they say one thing was they are running for election and they are running for election and the complete other thing happens when they are in. Josie and mohamed, use share something in common new thing you have voted once but you both cant remember. No, i am a bit what has been said here, i am 50 yea rs of what has been said here, i am 50 years of age, so i have watched the elections years ago and watched the campaigns, and elections years ago and watched the campaigns, and i decided not to bother, because i think theyjust lie, to be honest with you. We get a lot of propaganda with it. I choose not to watch it. You think all politicians lie . No, i dont know why that happens, but ijust think what we get fed, dont really understand what they are saying. I dont think they always tell the truth with people. It doesnt follow through. Things like with the vat got decreased for a while and then increased to a high level, and they said it would be put back down for stuff that has stayed the same. So what gets said and what gets done are two different things. I have a Small Business and it really affects trying to run a business. Ijust feel what gets promised doesnt happen. So for me, i dont choose to get involved with that. happen. So for me, i dont choose to get involved with that. I fully agree. Iseem get involved with that. I fully agree. I seem to always see the manifestos, and they never seem to, like, they dont seem to fulfil what they say, what they say they are going to do. Sol they say, what they say they are going to do. So i have kind of lost faith. If you look at history, the government and politicians or whoever, kings and queens, they have never really cared for people, so it is for the people to wake up and realise that these people dont care for you. That is kind of self explanatory. For you. That is kind of self expla natory. For me, for you. That is kind of self explanatory. For me, if you look at history, there has aways been this feud between the poor and the rich between the haves and have nots. The rich between the haves and have nots. You the rich between the haves and have nots. You have to assess it and make your own judgment and have nots. You have to assess it and make your ownjudgment and see if these people really care. Completely understanding everybodys reverence is on what they have issues with. As far as where you go from promises to what is delivered, that is where we talk about having points of greater accountability, it happens when you vote, when you are part of the process , vote, when you are part of the process, when you are able to force things. If a party brings you a ma nifesto things. If a party brings you a manifesto that you dont like and if you are part of that party and you say this isnt good enough, you have that voice to say that isnt good enough. Ijust that voice to say that isnt good enough. I just think that voice to say that isnt good enough. Ijust think point blank saying that i am going to step aside from this whole system or step back is not part of the solution. Everyone here has an issue. But rather than talking about the issues, then what are the solutions . Would it not be to educate the Younger Generation about financial literacy. Yes, of course, financial tracy porter and political literacy. Wie so why hasnt it been done . So why hasnt it been done . It is part of their manifesto not to do it. If you are not registered to vote and you dont vote, guess what . You are invisible. If you dont do politics, politics will do you. It is probably not the right attitude, we need someone to be running the country. I feel there is a quite a few lies told. Do you care if youre invisible . Yes, but i cant be part of something i dont particularly believe in. Let me read some messages. Mark says, i despair. It is plain lazy and disrespectful not to vote. Go on, youre laughing chelsea. It amuses me. Why . It is not lazy in the slightest. I have done research. Ive looked into it. I think, you know, you are saying about being invisible. I could vote, i will still be invisible. Nothing is really going to change. Kevin says, i cant believe the ignorant people on your programme this morning who dont vote. Stupid excuses they are, it wont make a difference or not enough information. Peter, non vote, are a disgrace. It should be compulsory. Peter, non vote, are a disgrace. It should be compulsory. What do you think of that idea . Being forced to vote . Think of that idea . Being forced to vote . Thats the reason i dont vote. I have the right and i think people should take that very seriously. Having the right to do or not to do. I think in this country we have a problem with the right. Well tell somebody they have the right, but then if were not following the crowd were wrong. So you say youre exercising a choice . I work for myself. So to not vote doesnt make me lazy. Ive exercised a choice the have you contemplated spoiling your ballot. Thats a credible option. I get a lot of people who say nobody on this ballot paper represents me. Nobody has given me something to aspire to or something i want and i say well, spoil your ballot paper and spoil it correctly. Explain how you spoil it correctly . You have to put the x Outside The Box or you put the x through the entire ballot paper, but what it does, i feel like it sends a better message. A lot of people dont know that though. This is what you do as far as campaigning. So it is just you do as far as campaigning. So it isjust a you do as far as campaigning. So it is just a great big cross like that. How many people can do that . Well, we tell as many young people as we can. Thats the existence of bite the ballot. Is that something that would appeal to you or not . People are entitled to their opinion, but my opinion stands where it is. Until they shake the system up and shake up they shake the system up and shake up our information, carry out promises then im going to. Whonchts is going to do the shaking . The people with the money, isnt it . So if you assume that the people with the money are going to do the shaking for you, buff explained they are happy to keep you in the position that youre in. Look at history. It has never been done so what makes you think it will happen in our generation or our time . What makes you think that will be successful . Im happy that i work with an organisation thats committed to shaking. It starts with individuals like myself who say im to the going to sit on the sidelines and be upset with how things are working. Things arent working in my favour, im seeing people receipting me that dont represent me, i dont like the language In Westminster. I dont like politics is so far removed from me. From when you are a Business Owner and you use services, i wouldnt say voting should be manttry, but being on the voting register should be. Everybody should be registered to vote. Thank you. Good luck with your businesses. Thank you. 0n the day the election was announced, we took two people who dont really care about politics to parliament for the day. I mean, do you feel parliament represents you or do you feel its something thats there as sort of. . I think, i suppose no, we dont really feel it does represent us because we dont understand how it works. Exactly, i feel the same way. Did you learn any of it at school . No. Thats the thing, you dont learn about politics at school. I personally think maybe people should. We have a peculiar way of speaking to each other here which nobody ever understands. Which is i dont refer to you, i refer to the honourable, or right honourable lady, which would be you, or member. The reason for that is i speak to you in the third person because its very difficult to be personally abusive, although some people can manage it quite well. And you can watch that full film mp for a day who cares about politics on the bbc iplayer page. You can find it in the news section. Weve also posted a link on twitter and facebook. And well be on the road over the next couple of weeks travelling to different corners of the uk to see what you the voters really think about the election. We want your help with this. Before Election Day Itself well be in the Scottish Borders and the welsh valleys. But we kick things off next week in cornwall. So if you live in or know those places then get in touch to give us a better sense of what issues matter to you. We want your suggestions of places to visit and people to talk to. E mail us at victoria bbc. Co. Uk we will speak to the students in this photo. New rules intended to re tuesday the amount of time people could be spent on police bail could make things worse. Heresjoanna in the bbc newsroom with a summary of today s news. The eus chief brexit negotiator, Michel Barnier, has warned that reaching an agreement with the uk over its departure will be difficult. Speaking as he published the eus plans for the two years of talks, mr barnier said britain should be under no illusion about the process and would have to pay for commitments it has made to the bloc in the past. Some have created the illusion that brexit would have no Material Impact on our lives or that negotiations can be concluded quickly and painlessly. This is not the case. Today marks ten years since the disappearance of Madeleine Mccann, the bbcs Panorama Programme has learnt that portuguese detectives never believed the main British Police theory that the toddler was taken during a burglary gone wrong. The three year old went missing from a Holiday Apartment in Praia Da Luz On 3rd May 2007. Despite Extensive International inquiries, no firm leads have been found and the investigations remain open. The Sun Newspaper says thousands of the new one pound coins have cracked, because of flaws in their production. The coins which came into circulation in march were supposed to be more secure. But the newspaper says it has seen evidence that the pound can be warped and in some cases, the distinctive centre of the coin has fallen out. Thats a summary of the latest news, join me for bbc newsroom live at 11am. Heres some sport now with hugh. Last night was another evening on which Cristiano Ronaldo wowed the world of football. He scored a hat trick in real madrids 3 0 Champions League semi final first leg win over city rivals atletico and stay on course to win the trophy for the third time in four years. Colinjackson believes his entire career will be tarnished if proposals to scrap athletics World Records set before 2005 are adopted. The European Athletics taskforce thinks erasing records set from before Doping Samples were retained, could help the sport regain credibility. After appearing at three olympic games, the 11 time british javelin champion Goldie Sayers has announced her retirement from the sport. Shes still waiting to find out if shell be awarded bronze for the beijing games where the athlete ahead of her is appealing a failed drugs test. And world number one andy murray says he expects Maria Sharapova to be given wildcard entry into this years wimbledon qualifiers. Former Champion Sharapova recently returned to competition following a 15 month drugs ban. Thats all the sport for now. I will have more in newsroom live after 11am. Young black men dont grow up thinking theyll make it here. They should. That was the intended message behind this photo of 1a black male students from Cambridge University. They got together to pose because in 2015 of the 3,a00 new undergraduates accepted into the university only 15 were black men. 23 black women were accepted that year. We can speak now to some of them now. Jimi babasola is 20, and is an International Student from nigeria. 23 year old, peter adefioye. He studies theology, religion and philosophy. And in our cambridge studio is ore 0gunbiyi who took the photos. Shes 19 and is currently president of the universitys african caribbean society. Whose idea was it . I got in touch with the committee. We pulled together a few guys that we knew and i got the ra and i said, lets make it happen. Tell us more . I came to the uk for a levels and diversity. And the message you want to send from this photo . To encourage young black men to believe that they can come here. There is this image basically that they may have about what the average or the typical cambridge student is like and they feel they wont fit in here. We want to get the message out that they will and there is a place for them here. Peter, what do you think the stereotypical image of a came bridge under graduate is . Thats a very good question. Often not people who look like us. I think the archetypal image of a cambridge student is typically someone who is maybe caucasian and doesnt come from backgrounds like us so it is important we challenge the stereotypes because perception is key. What is your background, peter, if you dont mind me asking . key. What is your background, peter, if you dont mind me asking . I grew up if you dont mind me asking . I grew up in east londonment my parents are from nigeria and thats about it really. Right. Whats your experience been like at cambridge . My experience has been quite interesting. It has been quite interesting. It has been quite interesting. In terms of this issue specifically i feel that there are a lot of initiatives that are being done so weve got the likes of the acs and the fly network and the race equality which are trying to balance out the under representations of people like myself being at the institution, but my experience has been quite interesting so far. Jimmy, in terms of you wanting to get this message out there, i mean, this photo has been shared, i dont know how many times. So its working. Yeah. Yes, it is. And it is really important to stress it to everyone. Everyone has the potential to get here should not think they dont have the opportunity because they do and thats the big problem we are having with young people. But you have got to put some work in . Yes, yes, definitely. You must be delighted with the way this has been shared around the world . Yeah, definitely, certainly. Its unprecedented. I dont think we thought we would get this amount of responses. It has been crazy, but we have to obviously, the point is that the university can do all these amazing things, but if we are not encouraging people out there to apply, we wont change the numbers and the message was to empower and we can inspire young black people there and encourage them that cambridge is within their reach and we have been really proud to have been part of this. Thank you very much for talking to us. Cambridge university have told us in a statement, we aim to widen participation whilst maintaining high academic standards. We will continue to work hard with all parties to raise aspirations and attainment to improve access to higher education. The banking giantjp morgan has announced plans to move hundreds of its london based bankers out of the uk into other parts of the eu as it prepares for brexit. With me is bbc business presenter vishala sri pathma. Tell us more . They are deciding to move hundreds of jobs tell us more . They are deciding to move hundreds ofjobs from their london based banks to their european offices. These are existing office they have in dublin, frankfurt, and also luxembourg. So theyre not actually opening more offices in europe, but they are relocating the balance from london. They are going to do that as soon as we leave the Single Market here in britainment they think it is the best way to ensure services are going to be smooth for their clients after we leave. Ok. So they are not going to wait for britain to come up with a trade deal with the other 27 eu nations. They are just taking that decision . Thats right. It is not hugely surprising, the boss ofjp morgan did say that he might be relocating up to a,000 jobs after brexit. He didnt confirm whether it was going to be more or less in january. It has been a long time coming. We had Deutsche Bank saying last week they would move a,000 because of brexit. Thats quite a considerable amount and barclays as well have said they are going to activate their back up plan in the next six months as well. Thank you very much. Next to the us town of huntingdon, in the state of west virginia, where the rate of people dying from drug overdoses is more than ten times the us national average. The local Authorities Say the city and surrounding county are in the grip of a heroin epidemic, with more than1 in 10 residents thought to suffer from addiction to prescription drugs, heroin and stronger opioid drugs. They pin the cause of the epidemic on prescription painkillers, which were freely available until recently. They claim that when there was a clamp down on the pills, heroin filled the void. Now theyre taking legal action against the companies they allege brought addiction to huntington by the oversupply of addictive painkillers. Meanwhile, huntingtons Emergency Services are stretched thin dealing with at times around five overdoses a day. A warning this film by our video journalists tom bateman and Howard Johnson contains distressing images from the very beginning it lasts around eight mins. The very beginning it lasts around four mins. Police department steve williams, mayor of the city of huntington, west virginia. Huntington is a town ofjust under 50,000 people, our county is 96,000 people. Yet over a five year period, just a five year period, there was over a0 million doses of opiates that were distributed in this county alone. The numbers speak for themselves. Most of our call outs now are for drugs. They probably make up somewhere around a third of our calls. Fires, generally, are about 15 to 10 of our calls, so obviously drugs are much. Pa system beeps sorry about that. Dispatch operator dispatch to f11. Thats me. Dispatch operator 19 west 7th ave. Overdose. Thats an overdose. Come on. Shouting radio chatter. Were responding to an overdose of a middle aged male in a local grocery store. Hes been reported 911 and were currently there now. Maam, there was a call. The rest room. The rest room . Thank you. What have we got . How long you been doing heroin . A while. Its been a while since youve done it . Done it, or you been doing it for a while . Ive been doing it for a while. Yeah. Go ahead, stand up here, were going to stand up here against the wall. Get your bearings. Can ijust ask you, did you start on opioids first before moving onto heroin . Yes, sir. And how did you get into it . Uh, just, i was, i was on pain pills, and actually ive been trying to get off them. Hopefully. I would just as soon be able to hear from these companies that say, well come in and well partner with you to be able to fight this addiction rather than spend their time saying, its not our fault, were just a business. Scoffs. When i was in the investment business, if i was giving advice to somebody that caused harm to them, i would lose my career, lose my licence, and possibly have to pay money. Do no harm. And theres plenty of harm that we can point to all around. The drugs epidemic in the us state of west virginia. People kept on police bail for months, or even years, say it left them feeling suicidal and unable to move on with their lives. New rules mean people can now only be kept on bailfor 28 days but this programme has heard from senior Police Officers and defence lawyers that in reality it wont change the length of time people are investigated for and may even be counterproductive. The Police Federation of england and wales says the four week limit is simply unrealistic for complex investigations. We played you our reporter john owens full film earlier heres a short extract. Clock ticks. Ive lost a year of my life. You lose. You lose all dignity. And you lose all purpose. Pre charge bail is a police power that allows a suspect to be released from custody whilst a crime is investigated. With an obligation to return for further questioning, or to be charged at a later date. Thousands of people spend time on Pre Charge Bail every year. Some spend many months under Police Scrutiny before even being charged with an offence. A few weeks ago, new restrictions came into effect designed to reduce the length of time that suspects spend under investigation. The new rules say that the length of time a person can be kept on Pre Charge Bail will be limited to an initial 28 days, but that a Senior Police officer can extend a persons bail time up to three months. After that, a magistrate can grant further extensions. But as the new rules come into effect, this programme has heard concerns that it wont address the problem they are designed to solve. These new rules dont do anything to ensure that investigations in general are going to be resolved more swiftly. Because a person would be. Under the old rules would be bailed and given a date when they had to come back. Now, that might be an illusory date, but at least there is something for that person to see the police are working to words. There isnt going to be any sort of framework like that for what is likely to be the majority of people released from the Police Station still under investigation but prior to charge. And i fear that what we are going to find is that investigations overall will actually take longer to resolve than they did under the old regime. As well as concerns from senior Police Officers about implementing the new rules. We have a Police Service that is on its knees. 28 days just simply is not realistic. David prince spent two years under Police Investigation after being caught up in a complex fraud case. He was unaware of any proceedings against him until £31,000 suddenly disappeared from his business account. As the investigation progressed, he had almost 50 items of Personal Property confiscated, and the police throws his bank accounts. He describes the psychological pressure of spending time under Police Scrutiny. It had a terrible effect on my life. I had no money to live off. Id sold everything that i owned of any value. I became very depressed. A lot of the depression kicked in after i was arrested and placed on police bail. And so a few months after that, i attempted to commit suicide, and for another twice after that i attempted to commit suicide, as well. You attempted suicide on three occasions . Yes. You must have been in a very dark place. I was in a terribly dark place. Having your whole life turned upside down, everything taken away from you, your business taken away from you, your personal accounts taken away from you. You feel like youve had a crime done to you by the state. Lets talk now to former met police chief superintendent, dal babu he says the home office is simplifying the bail process and the change is unrealistic. Also david prince, who you saw in that film who spent two years on police bail and says he became suicidal as a result of the stress and financial ruin that the investigation brought him. Also here is criminal lawyer nick barnard hes encouraged by the cap and says if Police Investigations were quick enough, the change wouldnt have been needed. Mr ban at, as a criminal solicitor you are encouraged by this reform . think it is a start, it is not a silver bullet. Resources need to progress along with attitudes along with it but it is good that the law is recognised that a good place to start addressing it is that the Police Station. You talked eloquently about the impact physically and mentally. Tell us about the damage to your repetition that prolonged bailed it to you. worked in quite a small industry so word had got around about the industry and about the case. Sol found businesses industry and about the case. So i found businesses i had traditionally dealt with and certainly was in negotiations with longer took my call is all returned my calls. So i found my marketplace that i had worked so hard to get, i had no access to any more. Tamme one, what reform tonne difference will this make dal babu, what difference will dismay . Very little in my view. The average case is 56 days. I think it isa the average case is 56 days. I think it is a knee jerk reaction from some of the high profile cases, where individuals have been on sale for a long time. Been on bail. The reality of the situation is pleased that have gone down by 20,000. We are having a system where they are expecting police to complete this to patients in 28 days. Im not sure they are expecting that, what has changed is this bail bit. An investigation can go on for as long as it goes on for, is that fair . Thats right. So in practicalterms will it make that much difference the suspects . If you were given the choice to having to say to a customer, and a player, a new partner, yes, iwas customer, and a player, a new partner, yes, i was arrested and am still on bale, 30 years, was interviewed but released without condition and the investigation is ongoing, i think the latter is preferable. Do you agree, david . I do. My main concern with the whole process is i was arrested so early on in the process, i think the police should have done more work prior to the arrest. In a way it puts the onus on the police to work harder to get correct information. 20,000 less Police Officers in the la st 20,000 less Police Officers in the last seven years. The reality is forensically sources have been reduced. It is not realistic. I think the difficulty is if you are on bale, at least you know you are on bale, at least you know you are on bale. There are checks and balances. If you dont know you are on bail, then in some ways you dont actually know what is happening. My concern is it is a knee jerk reaction, the government over simple fight it. | reaction, the government over simple fight it. I have not met a single Police Officer who said this is a good idea. You have an national chief police council, the Police Federation, and chief police council, the Police Federation, and i think your clip that you showed really emphasised that you showed really emphasised that they all agree it is not going to bea that they all agree it is not going to be a good idea. As a get out of jail card for the government, effectively we are back to where we are, and then if necessary magistrates can extend it beyond that. It is a poorly thought out programme. They have not really understood the consequences of people who actually are in the business. People in the business say it will not work. Is it going to work . One final point about the safety of people as well. Sometimes you arrest the vote you keep them on bale. The danger is that you cant those people, those restrictions. They might disappear but they might actually go and attack individuals as well. If there is evidence that suspects are member is of the public, they can still be on bale. on public, they can still be on bale. On bail. And the suggestion that currently people who are on bale are somehow better informed than people who are not, think the word used in the clip was that bail boots are illusory. Thank you for the thanks for all of you coming on the programme. Thank you for your company today. Have a good day. The weather is not looking bad at all across most of the uk today. We have got some sunshine around. Lets ta ke have got some sunshine around. Lets take a look at some weather watchers pictures was the beautiful sunrise in lincolnshire this morning. Clear blue skies in yorkshire but it is not like it everywhere. For example in kent it is raining. For many of us today it is going to be a dry day but not necessarily across the south east of the country. This is where the sunshine is across scotland, northern ireland, wales, in the northern island. Today most of us enjoying the sunshine but North Eastern areas thickening cloud, bits and pieces of light rain. This is where it will be coolest. A quick look at the country. Starting in scotland, lots of sunshine, temperatures of about 14 of sunshine, temperatures of about 1a degrees or so. Nice in northern ireland. Basically the further south we go the thick of the cloud will be. We will have some spots of rain across south eastern areas of the uk. This is bbc news. Im jane hill live In Westminster as parliament is dissolved to allow campaigning for the General Election. 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