Our country once again as secretary of state keeping our kids safe. I wanted president with a record of public service, someone whose life work shows our children we dont chase fame and fortune for ourselves. We fight to give everyone a chance to succeed. Back even when we are struggling ourselves because we know there is always someone worse off and there but by the grace of god go i. Choice, theaces a choice of a new president. On one side is a man who inherited a fortune from his father and kept it going by out ong people, skipping debt. A man who has never sacrificed anything for anyone, who cares only for himself, every minute of every day. Side is one of the smartest, toughest, most tenacious people on this planet, a woman who fights for children, for women, for health care, for human rights, a woman who fights for all of us and who is Strong Enough to win those fights. We are here today because our choice is Hillary Clinton. Im with hillary. From our studios in new york, this is charlie rose. Welcome to the program. We are the Democratic National convention. We are talking to robert mook. He is the man who along with her and her staffers brought this campaign to the convention for their where their candidate will be nominated. We will talk strategy, difficulties of berniesanders, ders. Rnie san charlie this is part of what you worked for. You were the campaign manager. Robert and make history. Its the first time a woman will be nominated to be president. Charlie there are troubles the email business that erupted today. You are going to allow her to speak to the chairman of the dnc. Robert she decided not to gavel in. I assume that means she will not be speaking. I dont think there is trouble. Been aad today has successful convention. I am proud to say we have had the most Progressive Agenda and platform in our history by acclimation and without any minority report. We voted through the rules of the convention, and we voted for unity commission. Charlie is this the most liberal Democratic Party in history . Robert this is the most progressive platform. It is focused squarely on created creating an economy that works for everyone. Charlie perhaps because of Bernie Sanders, it has moved to the left. Robert what is actually happening is republicans and donald trump have moved so far to the right, i dont think anything in our platform is exotic or out of the mainstream. We are looking to do something about climate change, to raise the minimum wage where we want women to be paid the same amount as men. Charlie lets talk about what you believe, have those emails were received. , and what was the motivation . Not an i. T. Expert. Im not International Affairs expert. But experts are saying to us is the russian state actors did break into the dnc system, they stole emails and as a result they are likely the ones who live them for the purpose of disrupting this convention and the campaign, here hurting Hillary Clinton. Trump say hedonald doesnt think the United States should defend our Eastern European allies against the russians. 6 you say you believe the charlie you believe the russians are trying to influence the American Election and they hacked the dnc. Robert russian state actors were the ones who took those emails. They probably did it with the purpose of helping donald trump. Charlie probably did it. There is no evidence they did it. Robert it is awfully convenient timing they were linked leaked. It is a highly suspicious coincidence. We need to let the experts investigate. The fbi is investigating. Has anyone told you the russians intended to do this . Anybody . Has made that direct connection. The dnc was broken into. We do not have knowledge of the rnc was broken into. That is what we know. Charlie what happens next in the story . Conducting anc is review. We are proud of the campaign and the primary. We are working handinhand with them at this convention. The ideas are reflected in our platform and we will work together. Senator sanders will work on behalf of secretary clinton. Charlie have you seen his speech . Robert i have. Charlie what is the town . Robert i think it is supportive, enthusiastically supportive and a call to action to all progressives, republicans, democrats to come together. Charlie a unity speech backing Hillary Clinton. Robert it is. Ted cruz went to the Republican Convention and did not endorse trump. Bernie sanders is coming having already endorsed Hillary Clinton. He will endorse her again today. Charlie does his endorsement simply represent his personal reference endorsement parsing i will make delegates to do that . Are they listening to him . Throughout the crowd you will see people who have been boisterous, noisy, protesting. Obert it has been boisterous we have been conducting the party business. Acclamation. That is what matters. We lets look at the polling. 60s,8, in the high supporters of secretary clinton were supporting obama 80 today of sanders supporters. The data reflects the party is consolidating and coming together. There are a lot of delegates coming together to make their voice heard. Charlie my sense is a deal has not been closed in terms of getting the sanders delegates on board. Robert the first day of the convention. A lot of them today were holding up signs about the transpacific trade deal. Bernie sandersng opposes and Hillary Clinton opposes. A lot of the views are not necessarily a rough action on Hillary Clinton. They are making their voices heard in the context of passing a platform. Charlie you have heard in an interview i did the question raised and she talks about trust. How do you overcome that . How do you want your candidate to overcome that . Is it the speech, the support of barack obama and Michelle Obama . Or is it her words on thursday night . Robert this is something that has to come from her. She needs to earn the voters trust and support. When we say what does this mean . They care about the economy security. People can trust Hillary Clinton to deliver on these issues. That is what this convention is going to be about. We are quiet talk about her faith, fighting for kids and families, breaking down barriers so people can get ahead. We are quite to talk about things she has done and accomplished. You will have real people on that stage talking about the things she has done for them. Surprisedre you having been in politics as long as she has, secretary of state, candidate and nominee of the Democratic Party, there are still questions about character and trust and who she is . Robert Hillary Clinton has been a pioneer. She has fought hard for health care reform. What did she do . She got back up and kept fighting. Worked with democrats and republicans until we got Childrens Health insurance. That puts a target on you. She has been the subject of relentless attacks for decades. They said themselves, it was to suppress her poll numbers. She has a lot of scars to show for the fight she has had. She is a work horse, not a show horse. The stories we are one detail of the amazing thing she has accomplished. What do you mean . Know sheeople dont got the Childrens Health insurance fund. They dont know she was a pioneer ending sex trafficking around the world. Charlie do they know what she achieved as secretary of state . Robert it is what i just said. Charlie that is the achievement of the president as well. Robert lets be clear. The secretary of state is negotiating. And theoing to hear her thing she accomplished. Accepts the expect nomination on thursday night. Give us a sense that you worry this general election is going to be a die down, the worst in terms of insults, character assassination we have seen. Does that turn people off . Robert i think the election could be that. I think the Republican Convention was that. You heard doom and gloom, we barely heard anything about specific ideas donald trump had. He didnt talk about what his true Business Record was because he doesnt want to. Youre going to hear an applet in view of the future uplifting view of the future. Hillary clinton will talk about how we can come together, making the biggest investment in 70 years, making College Affordable again, i think this charlie were those your ideas are Bernie Sanders ideas . Robert they are a combination of ideas. It is a marriage of both of their policies. This can be an uplifting election. The next president ial tenure can be one where we make great progress. ,onald trump once to divide us to convince as americas fallen behind. He has insulted our military, our armed forces. It can be what you are talking about but it doesnt have to be. Charlie take all that. A man who has never run for elected office. You just described to him in the way you did. Resume,had a remarkable the president called it the most significant resume of anyone to thisor president , yet seems like a close race. Why is that . Robert every president ial contest has been competitive. That is just a fact. Voters are restless in this country. Charlie what is that about . Robert the political process isnt doing anything about it. Charlie but they are voting for donald trump. Peoplelege graduate met, who are income insecure and frustrated by washington and wall street. Robert here is why they wont look for donald trump. At every point in his life he has done whatever it takes to be more famous, make more of a profit. When he manufactures those shirts and shoes they are made overseas. Casino, the taj mahal grand opening. He pulled out and made off with a lot of money. Working people lost their jobs. Voters need to hear this and know this. When they understand donald trump is fundamentally not on their side, and they realize he is the most divisive figure in our recent political history they will realize he will create more gridlock and more policies. Charlie is that what you have to do . Attack donald trump. Robert it is making the case Hillary Clinton will be a fighter every day for working people but donald trump would be a massive mistake for working people. Charlie you have 800 people on the campaign staff. Robert we have people in all 50 states. Charlie a larger number than donald trump. You have more money than donald trump. You have characterized donald trump is it simply because you think all elections for the president are essentially equal in the beginning that you think it looks the way it does now . Robert in modern times that has been the case. They come down to a certain set of battleground states. Donald trump doesnt have a big Campaign Organization or much money but he is taking votes for granted. He is not investing resources. Charlie but someone who is so strong, you are complacent. Urgency andsense of challenge in this election. Robert that is not true. I think it would be a mistake to be that way. It would be a mistake to think anything about this election is easy. It is going to be incredibly hard. Charlie thank you. Well be right back. Stay with us. Charlie we continue with matthew dowd. Can mcmahon. Bernie sanders in prime time. Guest this was supposed to be charlie we have organization and big problems. Guest cant wait to see a good real convention. Charlie is this a big deal or not . Guest to the extent that it dominates the coverage tomorrow. These things rise when the convention occurs. Then they fall back into their natural state which i think you will see next week. She should get a bump out of this convention. Charlie depending on the polls. Some said he is up tothree points. Guest which is pretty much the bounce you normally get. What happens is like a golf ball, it works its way through and the race returns to where its natural state is. Statems like the natural s 34 points in hillarys advantage. That is where it ought to be. Thing, wes an amazing will go through two conventions, 200 million spent, and all of finishnfare, they still third. That is what were going to have. Charlie not always. Guest the other thing about Bernie Sanders, this is what happens when you start a revolution. It is hard to stop it. Kids,k it is akin to our when you feed them cocacola and then tell them a scary story you cant put them to sleep quietly. Charlie it is different then donald trump is that i alone can fix things. It is a movement of a kind. Guest people get enthusiastic, get the adrenaline going in the Movement Really didnt in. The party that loses has quite a bit of time to adjust. In this one it was over a month and a half ago. Bernie sanders took his time to come around to the conclusion he had lost. It wasnt a full throated endorsement. I believe we are to see that tonight. We saw that from him. Charlie that doesnt speak for the supporters. Guest it does not speak for the supporters. Donald trump is going to be the best antidote to that. If they are going to vote, they are not going to vote for donald trump. Not after Bernie Sanders gives them 100 reasons not to. Guest it does point to the fact the dominant parties no longer can control event like they used to be able to do. Partiesre not hinged to the same way they were before. The leadership cannot manage it anymore. I think you saw that unfolds with the republicans. I think you see that with Bernie Sanders. Were headed to a time when theyre not going to keep doing what they are doing. N a a sense the weakening of political parties. Headed towardng that, toward a growth of something new, new parties, a change in the Democratic Party, republican party. Charlie multiple parties . Guest it is possible. Guest if you think of the college campaign, their campaigns of agreement. To middleclass voters you are not getting what you deserve. They have different villains. Bernie sanders would say it is trade deals. Donald trump says it is immigration. You could have a working peoples party. It may be it is time for us to get what we deserve kind of thing. Charlie how much will depend on the group of economic people who simply have income insecurity, feel the best in life has passed them by, and are frustrated, angry . Is that group, can they determine the election . Guest the fundamental pivot in this election has not happened before. Workingclassn without college and with college. She is over performing with white with college degrees. That is a bluecollar person. There is a question, is there enough people to do that . Donald trump could win this election. He could be the change they wanted. Charlie how does she get past not being the change agent . She says she is a change agent. And is has a history viewed as part of the establishment. Guest that is one of the difficulties they will have. Herehave political leaders that are the past and status quo. Obama, aton, barack lineup of people that is very good but say you are going to go backwards and stick with the status quo. She has to be careful about that. Charlie how crucial is her speech . Guest she knows she is not popular and not trusted, how did she make the case . Guest the way you make the case, people love reservations about secretary clinton for different reasons. Establishment. Some of the hand, accomplishments she is responsible for, i dont think they have a good sense of Hillary Clinton the arson the person. Candidates often start with a bio, to show a shared vision of the world. Im not sure people have that with her. Charlie isnt that amazing . One of the most bestknown people in the world. Interesting to me. Voters dont quite know who they are in private fundamentally. Donald trump and Hillary Clinton. These public figures, but who are they really . I think there is a bit of that with hillary. One of the things about this election that is important, theres a group of voters that dont like either of these folks , but theyre looking for a signal of what should they do . They want change but theyre looking for those signals to do it. Michael bloomberg is going to come on wednesday and endorser. To folks that is the direction i should go. I think there will be some republicans that will come out and basically endorser and say i cant vote for donald trump. Guest i think that is part of her strategy. Donald trump comes to the table with a thin issue portfolio. Nobody knows where he stands on a issue. Where he stands today may not be where he stands tomorrow. What they understand about donald trump is he is strength and change. She needs to make the strength risky and the change very risky. By having Establishment Republicans say im a republican. This is a bridge too far. I cant do it. She hopes to make that change he helps to make that change. Rlie she has to make him you dont want to trust him as president. She has to convince them you should like me. All those things they say, if you knew me, if you look at my record, they constantly do things that reinforce that issue like the email scandal with the fbi investigation. Guest she continues to have a problem. Every time something happens the voters think she is playing hide the ball. Can i really trust her . All of these explanations that happen even in 48 hours, they all feel they dont feel she is transparent. Charlie two questions that are linked. Kaine. Ne tim he adds to the ticket. He makes a difference . Pick i think it is a good for a couple of reasons. Take out the political part. We are in dire need of a debate about faith. These are Vice President ial faithwho are deeply people. Having a conversation about ways, tooifferent often faith has been coopted. Tim kaine could make that argument very well. That will be the debate . It could be the most substantive debate we have seen in a long time. Guest it is time for a conversation in this country about faith and how it fits and what is the role of faith in public life and elected officials . It could be an interesting conversation. Im not sure they want the candidates to go there but it would make for a more enlightening an interesting conversation. Charlie my impression is he has become very likable. Guest and her reaction to him. Watch her body motion. She looks more comfortable and in the moment that she is when she appears with her husband. She has that calmness i have not bee seen. Charlie i assume that was a critical thing. She felt comfortable with him. The most important thing you want from a Vice President ial nominee is comfort. Young relatively inexperienced governor from arkansas, never spent any time in washington, why would you double down on al gore . Because he felt a kinship that hillary seems to feel with tim kaine. You could see it. She was delighted. The person you want to see all the time. I think she is becoming a better candidate. Tim kaine is going to make her more comfortable. , it is when pick they go against that. Sarah palin. Not somebody mccain was interlocked with. It didnt fit right and it showed. Guest mccain wanted lieberman. He would have been more comfortable and a better candidate. Guest he should have thought the party. Charlie joe biden has been a good choice for barack obama. Guest same thing. Guest they were comfortable together. They were friends in the senate. Foreignbarack obama policy that he didnt have. It was based on comfort and trust and made obama a better candidate. Charlie what happens between the end of july and labor day . When the campaign really kicks off . Guest a lot of people assume its going to go dark. I think it is going to be intense. Thats going to be the biggest betting of the entire campaign. You get all involved. Period. Is a vetting i think there is going to be some betting on tim kaine. August is going to be nasty but a serious vetting of these candidates. Guest its different that any cycle we have witnessed. Reasons it usually goes dead is that is when the campaigns reload the money. They would get their federal matching funds. Donald Trumps Campaign is run on twitter every single day based on whatever he sees. Hes not going to slow that down. Charlie does he need the party and more money . Guest he does. Charlie to do everything that the party does for you. Guest there is no evidence the party is raising the money they raise before for mitt romney or will need to be competitive. It will be interesting to see the effect of the polls. He floats up. If he holds that you will see him raise some money. If he falls down you will not see him raise much. Guest we have not seen the goldilocks campaign. Hillary clinton is too big. It is way too big. We ran 220 people and it was fine. Donald trump is at 80. He needs a bigger effort, more professional. He doesnt need 800 paid staff. Thats going to be a problem. Charlie great to have you. Well be right back. Stay with us. Charlie joining me now is amy chozick with the New York Times and e. J. Dionne, a columnist for the washington post. Im pleased to have them. We thought this was going to be boring. Are you surprised this happened so quick . Are you surprised she still gets to speak at the convention . I am surprised amy i am surprised. All these operatives and elected officials were not attending. You had a vision of fixed unity. Here Bernie Sanders, Michelle Obama, Elizabeth Warren. Disquiet and unrest among the Bernie Sanders supporters is stunning. It is being expressed in the streets, downstairs. People feel a push back against establishment politics. Charlie a little bit of the choice of tim kaine. Because of trade votes and things like that. DidntHillary Clinton appease the left. It has reignited this distrust of her. Charlie how does she get to the convention when there were emails that showed she was favoring Hillary Clinton and embarrassing Hillary Clinton and angering the supporters of Bernie Sanders . Amy its a risky move. We will see how it plays. Charlie what does this convention need to do for Hillary Clinton . E. J. at some point the sanders people on the floor have to show they support clinton. One of the most striking things is a colleague of mine at the washington post. Bernie started a revolution and he cant control it. Hes been begging his delegates to cheer clinton. Who werethe people slated as delegates who chose to be bernie delegates are not Party Regulars to say the least. Some dont trust clinton. They have to get that under control. There are some other things she needs to do. Its going to be a lot of testimonials the clinton. She needs to get her favorable rating up. It has been as high as the mid60s. That does suggest there is some give. Up aarty has to put credible politics vote against trump. People who are hurting have to believe that what she wants to do will do something for them. Charlie not only speak to their pain but do something about it. Guest right. Her argument is going to be trump appeals to you, he says the country is in worse condition than it is but doesnt have anything on his list that will do anything for you. This is almost a policy for a campaign, particularly you solve it at the Republican Convention. Other than building walls. She has to find a way to get policy back in but not in a wonky way. Same the theme, that trump is a threat to democracy. I think it is going to get that deep before we are out of here. ,harlie a threat to democracy saying i can fix your problems, not that we can fix them. They are going to paint him as an authoritarian nationalist which he doesnt run away from. He embraces that and they have to make people miss trust him. That seems to work better with collegeeducated voters. White workingclass voters read were they are very angry responding to this. Amy she has the policy solutions. It is the speaking to that anger. Charlie can a speech change that . Amy nobody trusted bill clinton in 1992 and then they had them hope video. Hillary clinton is already so well known. When they try to matos explain her motivation it is met with cynicism by people who think they already know her. The person i think is her model is george h. W. Bush. If we think back to the 1988 Republican Convention, there that. Overs about he was down by 17 points. He used a finely crafted read myspeech lips which came back to haunt him. Was succeeding and eight year republican president. Thing, pressther obama. His Approval Rating has gone back up into the 50s. He has affection with significant parts of the party. His speech is going to be very important to her. Charlie he can make the case for her . In the same way bill clinton did it for her for him. Guest clinton gave the best beach at the last convention. A better speech that obama did or could. She had opposed him. Then she went to work for him. He has done a lot to light with in that speech to make his witness sounds credible. Into the disgruntled wing of the party. Some of the wing is against him and her. Is to the left of both the president. Charlie analyst with worn. Amy she has emerged an interesting play as the trump player. She knows how to get under his skin. She is obviously getting under his skin. Talk about economic populism. I think shes going to unload on him. Elizabeth worn as when to do it on the economic want. Charlie i had this thought of Elizabeth Warren, suppose she chose Elizabeth Warren as secretary of treasury, wall street would be in fear. Guest they would move to the cayman islands. She can reach everybody in this room. Clinton delegates including moderate delegates have loved the way she has gotten under trump skin. He has to refer to her as pocahontas. Is onrnie fans know she their side. If obama is a validator Elizabeth Warren is a validator. Elizabeth warren has been supporting her like crazy. I think war and was happy with the way it turned out. They actually looked good together. Surprised of the chemistry. Ive seen Hillary Clinton around of a lot of people. She is happy around tim kaine. It is about likability. It is hard not to like tim kaine. When she was on stage she seemed relaxed. Ticket, it could booster likability. E. J. i think that is right. It was amazing to watch them together. Tim kaine is somewhat a lot of republicans in the congress like. Im not about to i know im supposed to say bad things but they can. They cant. It contrasted so sharply with the mike pence rollout. The whole thing about his biography and his republican fatherinlaw who decent bit of the schools. Tim kaine is married to an holder. It sent different messages. Amy his son was in the audience and he is being deployed to help nato forces. He is a marine. When tim kaine told the crowd that it was another dig at donald trump. Pence son is mike also a marine. Our friend mark shields once wrote that showed how you Public Officials had kids in the activeduty military. It is kind of cool both Vice President ial candidates has somebody in the service. Charlie where do you think they stand on National Security issues . One wants project a sense of string. Sense of strength. It exacerbates the discomfort the liberals have with Hillary Clinton. They have viewed her as too much of a hot. She advocated for a nofly zone is the area. The bow in iraq. I think exacerbates the discomfort the left feels with her on Foreign Policy. E. J. think there is some of that. The longterm effect of this email scandal could be interesting. E. J. talk about bad luck for Hillary Clinton. Wikileaks, where the clinton people went to the issue of the russians did this. Of theens up the issue issue of the proputin ukrainians. It is a very weird inversion of the cold war. Now you have trump and the far right that are close to putin. This is only the beginning. Amy he is pushing this narrative that he is cozy with putin. This russian threat of the dnc hack needs into the narrative she he is that pathetic he is sympathetic. The scare factor. E. J. hillary had an interesting adware the tagline was ace that he hand at an unsteady time. You will see this interesting argument about feelings. Do you want somebody who sounds tough and strong, or brush versus somebody who is steady and in control. She can win that argument with trump. He is counting on this appearance of strength. Steadiness gets a lot of votes. Says he can point to certain things. He always bring those points back to the bad judgment. Charlie interesting, bush 41. Barack obama said the president he most admired was bush 41. I once heard him say his Foreign Policy was a lot like bush 41. E. J. utterly right. Barack obama was much more of a realist than a moralist and Foreign Policy. We look at obama succeeding george w. Bush, obama was closer to george ws father. He didnt invade iraq after kuwait. It is a real intellectual connection obama and the people around obama have to the h w bush follower Foreign Policy. Charlie is this an election none of us understand and because of social media, those are dynamics we cant quite agure out and will be determining factor in this election . Amy it has proven to be an electorate a lot people didnt fully understand. That has so permeated. Jobs are better. The economy has picked up. We have learned a lot about the feeling that only those at the top can succeed. Thats a fundamental shift in the american psyche and were seeing it displayed in the rise of donald trump, the anger of Bernie Sanders. E. J. i agree that there are things that you leads to grasp elites didnt grasp, how many people outside metropolitan areas were upset about 30 years of declining incomes. Charlie and they had a right to be. A range of factors including that their stake was diminished and technology and globalization had changed their future. E. J. correct. And they werent crazy about this. What was funny, they were talking about declining incomes since 1999 or 2000. There was a guy who was president in those years and we would hear about that. Amy probabl from bill clinton. E. J. i think we do understand a couple of things, donald trump is very weak of one among women. Women will allow donald trump to become president and latinos wont allow donald trump to become president. There are only so many white votes he can win. When you push away the minority community, you are setting yourself up for a very hard rise. When you alienate women it becomes tough for him. Charlie the interesting thing ,bout her, it is my impression the historical role played in this, she has embraced it more than she has over the last year or so. She is a real sense that does mean something to women. Amy at the same time there has been debate over how much she should emphasize. Charlie what is the debate . Amy it is a thing that surprised the campaign. Nolennial women have reflective gender alliance. They were not that was not resonating. It doesnt resonate with men. It will work like it did for barack obama. Amy he did not accept the nomination as the first black man. How much we have to show the suffragette and trace her part in history . My point was her feeling strongly. Amy you talk about authenticity and one of the authentic aspects, her mothers inspiration. How she wishes her mother could see this. I think she does feel a sense of history. Think there are limits on the women thing. I think it works with a significant number of voters. Women over 50. Young women who still think it would be cool to have a woman president. The night she won the whole thing she clinched it, she was powerful talking about that she wore white the way the suffragettes wore white. Her ort going to elect defeat her via it can be in asset. Asset. It can be an you talk about trump shouting no. Amy even the chance of lock her up, the venom you had not seen against other candidates. Who are uncomfortable with Hillary Clinton are inspired by electing a woman. Charlie thank you. Thank you for joining us. See you next time. Asian futures gain after a threeday slide in tokyo and the concession on wall street. Iphone demand picks up that twitter goes the other way. 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