should stumble tomorrow night, it's not necessarily to jeb's advantage. it's probably to ben carson's advantage. it's probably to carly fiorina's advantage because there are several debates playing out on that stage tomorrow night. not just one debate. and in the end, i believe there will be an establishment candidate. and it might be jeb, or it might be kasich or it might be chris christie, and there will be one of the mavericks. a ben carson, a carly, or a donald trump. and that's the way this thing s is. >> jeffrey? >> i actually used to share michael's opinion it was going to be one of each. now i'm not so sure. >> you think it might be a dr. carson and a trump? >> correct. correct. i think all the passion is right there. and these other folks, and i think in that same cbs poll, 37% had decided and there was 60%, something like that, i mean, a good percentage that hadn't decided but i have this feeling that they're going to be gravitating to one of the other three. >> we've seen this kind of