>> i had actually seen tilicum quite a number of times. he was right across the street here in victoria. all sealand was, was a net hanging in a marina with a float hanging around it. >> tilicum was the one we loved working with. he was eager to please. >> when we started it was fine, the treatment involved punishment, with a trained orca up with tilicum with a trained orca, if he didn't do it, both animals were punished. deprived of food to keep them hungry, this caused a lot of frustration with the larger animal who would then get frustrated with tilicum, who would rake him with his teeth. there would be times that he