how they sustain a meaningful defense of this president without the people who are being kept from the committee. they need mulvaney. they need to have pompeo and they need to have have bolton for people to sit down and say they're wrong about what this president wanted and what he was willing to do. don't you think at some point they're go having to to rely on the people they're holding backing? >> i don't think there's a lot of doubt that the president gave the order to suspend military aid. the alternative is mulvaney over a slice of pizza decidedium are going to stop aid to ukrain. it's absurd on the face of it and all kinds of circumstantial evidence the president ordered this. john bolton would be an interesting witness. the person i would like to hear from and had whole half of the story that has not been told to the american people is what the heck rudy giuliani was doing in