position. he said, quote, i wouldn't say that. and then, when i asked him what he meant with that -- by that, he indicated he is still detailing his positions. >> in general, there is still talk. >> what do you mean you wouldn't say that when the president's not moving closer towards you? >> no, no, i don't think i'm asking anybody to move. i'm wanting people to understand where -- where i am. and i think that's where we are getting more of an understanding. >> now, sources tell us that there are significant differences still between the president and the most important swing vote on the democratic side of the aisle in the senate, including over the size, the scope, the true cost of this bill. joe manchin has concerns that the bill, which would extend the number of benefits around -- around a wide range of programs, ranging from climate change to education to housing, a number of those programs are not adequately accounted for because they are temporary spending measures. he believes they should be extended out to give the true cost of the bill. there is a disagreement between