goals of long standing u.s. policies." that's key. mike quigley asked them both about who's calling the shots that on that regular channel? >> president trump wanted was done as what you described as an irregular channel and the chance to take on ukraine policy, is that correct mr. kent? >> that would be my understanding. >> ambassador? >> exactly. >> all right, with us ron browstein, good evening to all of you. michael, you had some interesting points on this especially democrats were rather in effective. where was that?