went up. buttigieg obviously ran for president and did pretty well. there's speculation he'll run in the future. made him a target even on things he doesn't control and in sitting with him and in kansas and missouri talking about this you can see the frustration about it coming through. i asked him about that and the criticism and whether he said -- whether he went to east palestine because donald trump went and people think that's why and he said on the record that's bull but use the full word that i won't to keep us from getting fines. >> no fines on cable. it was also interesting in the piece. you talked to a democratic member of congress who will go nameless. nameless in the piece. who says buttigieg's appeal in