ramaswamy, look at those numbers. 306-21 is the spread, nikki haley third place -- second place actually at 72 compared to 127 for governor desantis. that means in my mind that governor from florida is all in on iowa. that means every day he was there he was not say in south carolina, not say in new hampshire. >> he's got an organization, desantis has. he's just a lousy candidate and that's why i think nikki haley has probably surpassed him. laura, this is a battle for second place. trump's going to win iowa. it's just a matter how big and if nikki haley can get a bump heading into new hampshire. >> the problem is because desantis has gone all in on iowa, this is it for him. this will be the hill he dies on or not. if he doesn't come in second -- >> he's out. >> -- he's done. he can't go to new hampshire and alreadied