defense? that's a similar analysis but that is the magic test to find out whether or not based on any mental defect he's able to help his own defense. if not, a defendant can be incompetent and you cannot institute proceedings against them until if and when he becomes competent again. >> he's not being cooperative in letting them evaluate him. where do they go from here? >> it's an interest issue, it's a logic loop. they can't begin to assess his competency if he doesn't cooperate but at the same time, if he's not going to cooperate, they won't get any information. however, there are ways of evaluating competency that don't require solely on the words that come out of the mouth of the defendant. frankly, not only if can a defendant remain silent, he can also tell them what he thinks they want to hear. these experts are trained to assess whether or not a defendant is trying to bam boozele them or raise issues of