believes. he's saying look i'm not going to say who is a christian without having a personal conversation with them. i don't think this is going to hurt him at all. i think he's saying you know what i stand for, you know what i believe in. i'm not going to judge if someone's not a christian. but i'm not also going to jump on this, oh yes, everybody's a christian in this race and we're all the same, when in reality they're probably not all the same. >> it's important to highlight this was in front of a group of about 450 donors organized by the billionaire brothers, the koch brothers. is this what the gop want to hear? >> i'm a little startled actually if only by the setting. i have to disagree with my friend ben. i this that notion of, well, i'll take him at his word.