so kind of a flip side to what we saw on the trump administration where the stone walling actually served to not have things go to congress. this i think is going to end up being the opposite. a judge is not going to give him an injunction. it is not going t ining to wind through on time. i think it is pretty likely that those documents go over, rendering some of this moot in terms of what the president wants to stop getting out to congress and in the public eye. >> so you think those documents could -- that deadline november 12th as we know, as you pointed out, you can't get an injunction without basically showing that there is a reason for it. and that is not something that the former president has done to this point. >> i think that's right. there is no question that as i said these are kind of wiggly or blurry lines with respect to where executive privilege is. bannon has really shown a complete defiance, complete contempt of the subpoena. he's been unwilling to engage