we've got this new poll out of new hampshire among like living primary voters. trump is at 37%. ron desantis at 23. tim scott at 8. then chris christie, doug and the others. nikki haley and others. >> i think it will be really interesting. i don't know how crowded it will be once you factor that that they have to get a small number of small dollar donors. and the polling criteria are a little bit unusual. it is not clear which polls will count. i think that donald trump would be making a police take to sit out this debate. we know he's done it before. in 2016 one of the debates he sat out. counter programmed. made his own show. but i think he is going to want to have the opportunity to prove that he's better than ron desantis. i don't think he can let that go by. >> what do you make of the rnc chair to have to go on fox, a channel she knows he watches -- >> and beg?