heard were being sent and then i heard they're not being sent. what can be done to help ukraine muster its own defense. because russia is coming in at them. they've got to produce reserves. they've got to arm people. they've got to break out of those encirclements at some point if they're going to defeat russia. >> do you believe it's a matter of when, not if kyiv falling? >> i don't think it's a forgone conclusion. i think it really does depend on how much we can do for the ukrainians. they need javelins. they need stingers. they need -- they need those obsolete aircraft. you've got to keep some ukrainian aircraft in the air. they're going to need food at some point. and mobile reserves. part of it depend on how they fight now and use their remaining forces. if they can engage in mobile warfare and not get trapped in various small cities, part of it is their reserves. can they mobilize those reserves and make them mobile. so this is very much a still a dynamic outcome. i wouldn't say the outcome is forgone, but i would say it's