>> the way was committed to be with that pat cipollone thought the idea was nutty . and at one point, confronted eastman basically with the same sentiment. >> what were your prior interactions with eastman? >> he describe for me what he thought and begin he was in the statute. he was walking through it at that time. and i said, hold on a second, i want to understand what you're saying. you are saying that you believe the vice president, acting as president of the senate can be the sole decision-maker as to, under your theory, who becomes the next president of the united states? and he said, yes. i said are you out of your mind ? >> the vice president decided he could not buy into eastman's theories. >> mr. short, was it your impression that the vice