conversation, she will be fine because you don't know demi lovato. and if you ever did meet demi lovato and used the wrong pronoun, i'm sure she would be like oh, i prefer this, and it would be done. but in the media, that story is ubiquitous. i think the media does a terrible job at de-escalation. and de-escalation is the antidote to all of this nonsense. i don't mean civility and nonpartisanship. i mean focusing on things that are more urgent and elemental in people's lives, and really hammering away at those things. >> yeah. >> rather than purely the emotional fault lines that occur in societies. we just wanted to do a show about burn pits -- >> right.