to make sure no one leaks any information to anyone, whether it's national security related or not. >> right. i think that's really the key context, jake, for everything that we discussed about why he's going to ecuador, about why it is he's trying to travel through he's other countries. we do have a climate in the united states that has been created over the last five years in which leakers and whistleblowers, people who step forward to inform the public about classified information because they think it is wrong doing, they're treated as enemies of the state. just anybody who discloses anybody that the government marks classified is deemed to be an enemy of the state and punished severely. that is a very dangerous threat to the news gathering process and it's the reason why whistleblowers who come forward like mr. snowden feel the need to flee because the government has become so oppressive toward that behavior.

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