would or should have raised these objections? >> yeah. that others did not see the distinction between these things as i saw it. as i said, there is a history of corruption in ukraine. there is a history with the company of burisma in a has been investigated. that is well-known. there is a separate allegation about the vice president acting inappropriately. his son was a board member of this company. but those things, i saw, as completely distinct. and what i was trying to do in working with the ukrainians was to thread a needle so see whether things they could do that are appropriate and reasonable as part of ukraine's own policy of fighting corruption that help clarify for our president that they are committed to that very -- that very effort. if there is a way to thread that needle, i thought it was worth the effort to try to solve that problem. as it turns out, i now

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