knew it. >> are you saying positively the person you knew was not the person you see as clay shaw? >> scout's honor. >> garrison started bribing witnesses, intimidating witnesses. >> he said i'd be made to serve the whole nine-year sentence or i could be cut loose right away. >> hypnotising witnesses. >> we decided to give him objectifying machinery to make sure he was telling the truth. >> leon. does leon have a last name? >> oswald. >> would you say these methods were illegal? >> i would say very illegal and unethic unethical. >> he had everyone and their grandmother involved in the assassination. at one time it was oil millionaires. then it was the minute men. then it was a homosexual killing. >> yes, sir. >> do you feel that homosexuality or coercion for homosexuality was a factor in the assassination of john f. kennedy? >> no comment. >> at one point he had 16 assassins in deeley plaza. with that many, i don't know how