that the ideas raised in the oval office discussion would rise to the level of a crime, and if so what would they be? >> abby, good to be with you. it's interesting, and mix of lawyers and nonlawyers at the meeting, off the bat you have a problem with privilege and keeping it confidential, you can have strategy sessions with lawyers and spit ball ideas, talk about the past and developing a defense but what you can't do is potentially talk about future crimes, it can be a strategy session for doing wrong in the future, and having lawyers there does not protect it and make it privileged, what it sounds like is the special counsel is digging into whether there were potential crimes effectively being plotted at the meeting, whether you call it seditious conspiracy or something similar, it's basically, were there plans to instigate violence, to