vanilla kind of talk and he doesn't crack through. whereas with trump, like him or don't like him, he comes off with gum on the shoes with all of those. >> we miss those ratherisms. but is he saying nicely that jeb bush is just deadly doll up there? >> people are not seeing in jeb bush the passion that i think they want to see in a candidate. it's what they saw in carlie in that pre-debate debate. it's what they see in trump. they see fire. they see passion. jeb bush is going to have to figure out how to kbhun kate that. >> i want to get this in order. i want to talk about the iowa state fair. cnn's iowa poll has trump leading. but in 2012, it was rick santorum leading. is iowa good to eventually win this race? >> no, i think it's becoming a less bellwether all of the time.