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Man from india. These pizzas are a delight. When you see somebody who gets so engaged and gets so much of the community engaged, its an endorsement of the battle we fight to end hunger. Thank you for your time and remember that now how tall or small you are, you can make a dig difference. Tonight a remarkable if Unlikely Partnership from the opponents of the campaign trail to political pals. President obama and Hillary Clinton sat down together for an interview with 60 minutes. One of clintons last interviews before he leaves the state department. Well look at that tonight. Also Tim Hetherington is remembered tonight. Why hes so missed. His close friend and colleague joins us for that. Youll hear that from him tonight. We begin tonight with breaking news. The head of the u. S. Antidoping agency, the man who spent years investigating Lance Armstrong, has told cbs news that armstrong lied about his doping in his interview with Oprah Winfrey. The same interview that was advertised as no holds barred. Lance armstrong saying he was telling the full truth. The interview where armstrong repeatedly said he was coming clean about his use of banned substances. Tygart whose damning report led to the cyclist stripped of his titles and banned from the sport for life, he also told cbs news hes offered armstrong a deadline, february 6th, to cooperate fully and totally truthfully in exchange for a lessening of his lifetime ban from sports. Joining me is juliet macur and betsy andreu. Travis is telling scott on 60 minutes that Lance Armstrong lied to Oprah Winfrey about his 20092010 attempt at the tour de france. Armstrong said he used a little bit of epo previously. Travis tygart says that is absolutely not true. Also Lance Armstrong claimed he didnt offer usada a 250,000 donation amid lingering questions about whether he was doping or not. And that he didnt pressure teammates to dope their blood. Travis says all of that is not true. That he did pressure teammates, that a lieutenant of his did offer a donation that he was doping 2009, 2010. And that he pressured teammates. Whats your reaction to what Travis Tygart has said . Well, i think that, remember, in the interview with oprah, lance said if he could go back to june when usada reached out to him, he said he would do anything to have that day back and accept his offer. So despite trying to bankrupt usada and destroy them, theyve graciously given lance another opportunity to have that day back. And if lance is truly sorry, he is going to be truthful, and hes going to help clean up the sport of cycling, and tell the truth, no holds barred. I want to play just some of what Travis Tygart has told 60 minutes. Take a look. You know, at one point in the interview, he said that he was curious about the definition of the word cheater. And he looked it up in the dictionary. And didnt think it necessarily applied to him. Its amazing. This guy, you could go to almost any kindergarten in this country, frankly, around the world, and find kids playing tag, or four square and ask them what cheating is. And every one of them will tell you, its breaking the rules of the game. No real athlete has to look up the definition of cheating. Its offensive to clean athletes out there working hard to play by the rules, that apply to their sport. He suggested that cycling in those years was a level Playing Field because everyone did it. He wasnt doing anything special. Its simply not true. The access they had to inside information, to how the tests work, what tests went in place at what time, special access to the laboratory. He was the one that was in an entirely different Playing Field than all the other athletes, even if you assume all the other athletes had access to doping products. Juliet, for him to claim it was a level Playing Field, there was no team that had as much money as Lance Armstrongs team. And as much access to private jets. I mean, it was not a level Playing Field, was it, juliet . No, not only did the u. S. Postal service have the most sophisticated doping program around, but it really wasnt a level Playing Field when it came to the athletes on the team. Some of the athletes didnt require as much epo to reach a level where they could perform, and some of them like lance needed more. So it wasnt a level Playing Field among their own teammates, much less in the sport. Betsy, your husband was on the team. Do you find it unbelievable when Lance Armstrong says he didnt pressure people to dope on the team . Yeah, and maybe in his own mind he thinks that thats how he justifies it, or negates it. I dont quite get it. At one point he said he wasnt the enforcer, but at another point he said he was the bully. From our own experience, we know that when franky refused to get on the program, to see ferrari, he was left off the team. He eventually had no job. Ferrari was the doctor. Im just saying for our viewers. Yes. So i dont agree with that. Because not everybody i think lances projecting on to other people what he himself was doing, or what he himself felt. Juliet usada has offered armstrong a deadline of february 6th to cooperate with them, with the possibility of reducing his lifetime ban. Do you think he will take them up on that, that he would testify that he really would come clean . In that oprah interview, he really didnt go into details about how the doping program worked. He said he only used a little bit of epo, which travis said is categorically untrue, that his levels were off the charts. At this point, having given that interview, can he now come back and say, well, actually, you know, even though my exwife did tell me not to dope in 20092010, i did. Can he now change his story, juliet . Sure. I think he can definitely change his story. It might become public, we wont know that until later. But i think he wants to come forward. Not necessarily by february 6th. But this just happened this last week or ten days ago or something. He needs some time in order to really realize how he is viewed by the world and how much he needs to come forward. And for Travis Tygart to say, Lance Armstrong, you have to come in by february 6th. Im not sure thats the way to work when it comes to lance. Hes not the type of guy who really works well with people strongarming him and headbutting him. He needs time to think about it before he comes forward. It will be interesting to see what happens. Yeah, but i dont see that as being strongarming lance. This is not the rules according to lance. Usada didnt have to do this. They are bending over backwards saying were giving you yet another chance. Usada is being really gracious here, i think. Its interesting, betsy and juliet, we had dan on who cowrote a book on doping, and with the cyclists. He was saying often with tyler hamilton, it was difficult for tyler to tell the full truth all at once. That somebody who has lied for so long, and so extensively, in the case of Lance Armstrong gone after people like you, betsy, who were telling the truth, that he is sort of incapable of telling all the truth at once. Do you buy that, betsy, that for someone whos so ingrained with lying, that its hard to come forward . Its definitely hard telling the truth, and contrition, new concepts to lance. But he did make the first move. I dont think the oprah forum was the right way to go. But its said and done. So now hes got to mitigate the damage the interview did. And he can do that by telling the whole unadulterated complete truth. Usada. I want to play a little bit of what lance how Lance Armstrong described the doping operation to Oprah Winfrey, kind of minimizing it. Lets listen. Travis tygart said in a statement that you and the u. S. Postal service cycling team pulled off the most, in his words, sophisticated professionalized and successful doping program that the sport has ever seen. Was it . No. No. And i think he actually said that all of the sport has ever seen. Oprah, it wasnt. It was it was definitely professional. And it was definitely smart, if you can call it that. But it was very conservative. Very risk averse. Very aware of what mattered. And what didnt. Juliet, at first he said, well, compared to the east german olympic efforts of doping, you know, back in the 70s and 80s, it wasnt as sophisticated. Hes comparing to an east German Government effort to dope at the olympics. He also denied that even within the sport of cycling, it was not the most sophisticated. But youre saying, juliet, its arguable whether in all sports, but in the sport of cycling there was no other team that could do what this team could. Well, im not sure. But if there was a team like that, then the u. S. Postal service team wouldnt have won seven tours in a row. That was pretty phenomenal. There was a reason for that. You know, people tend to think it was because they were doping better than everybody else. Its, again, another development in this ongoing story. Well continue to follow it. Betty andreu we appreciate talking to you. And juliet macur as well. Thank you very much. Were talking about this on twitter. Lets continue the conversation on twitter anderson cooper. President obama sitting down for his first joint interview with secretary of state Hillary Clinton. Well take a listen to some of what they said and look ahead at what could be next for secretary clinton after leaving the state department. A run for 2016 . Two different opinions. The raw politics ahead. [ slap ] [ male announcer ] your Favorite Foods fighting you . Fight back fast with tums. Calciumrich tums starts working so fast youll forget you had heartburn. 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For secretary clinton it caps off a highprofile week that includes the president s inauguration, testifying before congress about the benghazi attack. In the 60 minutes interview with president obama offering plenty of praise for her. Why did you want to do this together, a joint interview . The main thing is, i wanted to have a chance to publicly say thank you. Because i think hillary will go down as one of the finest secretary of states weve had. It has been a great collaboration over the last four years. Im going to miss her. Wish she was sticking around. But she has logged in so many miles, i cant begrudge her to want to take it easy for a little bit. But i want the country to appreciate just what an extraordinary role shes played during the course of my administration, and a lot of the successes weve had internationally have been because of her hard work. A few years ago it would have been seen as improbable. Because we had that very long, hard primary campaign. But you know, ive gone around the world on behalf of the president and our country. And one of the things that i say to people, because i think it helps them understand, i say, look, in politics, and in democracy, sometimes you win elections, sometimes you lose elections. I work very hard, but i lost. And then president obama asked me to be secretary of state. And i said yes. And why did he ask me and why did i say yes . Because we both love our country. It is incredible when you think about the fierce political rivalry that once existed between these two. Now two opinions from two smart reporters on whether or not she will make a bid for the presidency. But first kate bolduan takes a look back at how battles evolved into this partnership. Reporter barack obama and Hillary Clinton have faced questions together before. Here in a 2008 president ial debate with cnns wolf blitzer. I dont want to just end the war, but i want to end the mindset that got us in the war in the first place. Thats the kind of leadership i intend to provide as president of the United States. And of course senator clinton, thats a clear swipe at you. Really . Reporter back then it was a very different relationship, in the midst of an already bitter rivalry. While i was working on those streets, you were a corporate lawyer sitting on the board of walmart. You were practicing law and representing your contributor, restco, in his slum landlord business in inner city chicago. Reporter but that relationship quickly changed. I endorse him and throw my full support behind him. Reporter just as Hillary Clinton showed her support for president obama, obama showed his faith in clinton. I have no doubt that Hillary Clinton is the right person to lead our state department, and to work with me in tackling this ambitious Foreign Policy agenda. Reporter what was Hillary Clintons initial reaction when you told her, look, theyre considering you for the possibility of secretary of state. She didnt believe it. Reporter one of clintons closest aides. I emailed her, i think it was the friday after election day, after hearing it from two reporters. And im pretty sure her reply was something along the lines of, not for a million reasons. If she was hesitant, why not just say no . I think she did, or came awfully close. I think the president was very persuasive. Were delighted to welcome senator clinton secretary of state designate. Reporter clinton was quickly confirmed. But how would she get along with the man who defeated her campaign . Could she work for him . Everyone expected, including myself, that there would be a lot of division, a lot of secretary clinton going behind the president s back. So was there any tension coming in between the two people at the top . I think everyones been surprised. Reporter surprised that while secretary clinton and president obama have been separated often as she travels the world, they have maintained a unified front. They very early on set a tone of, this is how its going to be. She is my secretary of state, and from her point of view, he is our president. And she worked no anything contrary to that. What was that moment that you think crystallized the relationship . They were in denmark for a Climate Change conference. Reporter obama and clinton believe china and other countries resisting a pollution standards agreement were meeting in secret. President obama and secretary clinton were talking kind of alone, you know, in some hallway. And he said, lets go. And she said, lets go. So they just kind of barge in . They kind of barged in. They said, hey, guys, what are you doing . Were here. Whats going on here . Were here. And they got the deal done. Reporter they got that deal done, and went on to three more years sharing success, controversy, even tragedy as close partners. And i think, you know, there are not a lot of people in the world who go through what they do, and, you know, its the president h. W. Bush bill clinton relationship, its carter ford, mcenroe connors, whatever it is, when youre on the court after the fact, youre like, hey, youre more like me than not. Were bonding. For good or bad, weve been put together. And its always going to be like that. From rivals to partners, the evolution of this friendship has been something to watch over the last fourplus years. And is now entering a new phase as president obama takes on his send term, and Hillary Clinton heads towards her last day as a top member of his cabinet. Kate bolduan, cnn, washington. So now Hillary Clinton is leaving the state department, what is next for her. Lets bring in chief Political Correspondent Candy Crowley and john king. In 2008, barack obama, Hillary Clinton were bitter enemies battling a tough primary season. Now fast forward, theyre doing this highprofile joint interview. What do you make of how their relationship has evolved . I think it evolves out of political necessity. Its a very powerful force in politics. And it is not the first time that rivals have ended up being friends sort of. Are they friends . Well, look, have they been to the white house for dinner . Were told not. See, i find it amazing. She owes him a lot and he owes them a lot. There was the bushes and the doles and the reagans, and they all didnt get along for a while. And then the political expediency, political necessity chimed in. Do i think that they seem to have come up with a relationship that looks at least on the surface like a good one beyond just a good working relationship . It certainly looks like it. And lets remember, Hillary Clintons been through a whole lot worse than getting defeated by president obama. So it wasnt that much to get over. And i think they seem as though theyre okay with one another. I do find it fascinating, john, that she and former president clinton have not been over to the white house for a dinner, you know, a double date, if you will. Lets see if maybe they have a double date in the second term. Its not the way this president operates. Its really not the way the clintons operate in the sense they were rivals. There was more bad blood between president clinton and then president elect and obama back in 2008. But that was a bitter primary. It took a while to get over it. What did he do . He gave her a global platform, she became one of his most trusted advisers. He is not as we discussed in many ways he doesnt do this with republicans or democrats either. Hes not mr. Social. But they have formed a partnership. Is it a close personal friendship . I would not try to make that case. But they formed a partnership where they both trust each other, and as candy said, they helped each other, including right now. If this president had a secretary of state who was not such a rock star, who was not so well respected by republicans, the benghazi hearings could have been more dicey. They took some punches at her and still have questions for her. But trust me, if it was somebody of lesser stature, it would have been very different than it is. Candy, do you think she will run for president . I dont think so. The and im sticking with that, because id like to be consistently wrong, if she ends up doing it. I dont. For a couple of reasons. First of all, she has said, maybe not in the most recent permutation, but shes said no im not interested in that. I understand the history, and people are going, you could be the first woman. But she will be 69 years old should she run and get elected. She has been all around the world. The reason her Approval Ratings are so high is that shes not in politics. And when youve been out there, you know, in the big city, its kind of hard to keep them down on the farm. She has been out dealing with matters of global importance. And what she will have to do, and shell have an easy time raising money, i grant you, but shell have to spend the night in many number of places in iowa and have chicken dinners in polk county and new hampshire, et cetera. And it doesnt seem to me thats where shes headed. But i will tell you that i didnt think she would run the first time. So i dont get that vibe at this moment. I dont think shes made up her mind, i think thats true. But i just feel like her leaning has always been toward no. Its also interesting in terms of hard to predict. People on her staff said, if you asked them a couple of years ago she would accept secretary of state under barack obama, they would have said absolutely no way. Yet here we are. John, do you think she will run and when would she have to make that decision . I take her for her word right now shes not running. Im not convinced she will not run. To the points candy made. When they come to her in a year or so and say, look at the field. Vice President Biden would be the big heavyweight. Hes even older than she is. Hes a big question mark. That would be an interesting dynamic. Look at the field. No offense to cuomo, patrick, governor anybody else who might be thinking about this on the democratic side. But theyre not in Hillary Clintons league, at least today. She said her Number One Mission in life is the global empowerment of women. If they come to her in a year or so and say theres no one out there who can do what you can do, you can wait a little bit longer than anybody else, candys dead right, the taj mahal is not in des moines, iowa. When she gets back out on the trail, as first lady of the arkansas and the United States she was so polarizing. And running for president. She loves this. She loves being loved. I think it depends on her health and what chelsea does in her family and professional life over the next couple of years. Put the pull of history will be almost irresistible. You never know. Pretty amazing. Candy, thanks very much. John king, thank you. Sure. Secretary clintons glasses are getting plenty of attention this week, she normally wears contacts. Shes been wearing the black frame specks since her health issues. It turns out its under doctors orders. Its to correct double vision after the concussion she suffered last month. A lot of promises of a network of highspeed trains and billions of your tax dollars have already been spent to make this network of high trains a reality. The question we have tonight is, where are those trains . And what happened to all that money . Coming up, 360 investigation youll only see here. He brought us images from the front lines of war like no one else. Now his life is the subject of an extraordinary new film. We remember Tim Hetherington and his unbelievable journey ahead. Whoa nobody insures more bikes than progressive. Do you guys ride . Well. 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Tax dollars that were given away as part of the Obama Administrations stimulus plan, money that the government promised would transform our rail system. It was a very ambitious plan, no doubt about it, when it was first announced. The president , Vice President , ray lahood, all of the white house announcing a 13 billion plan to bring highspeed rail to america. Listen. Imagine whisking through towns at speeds over 100 miles an hour. Walking only a few steps to public transportation. And ending up just blocks from your destination. Imagine what a great project that would be to rebuild america. That was the idea. Sounded great. Bullet trains literally whisking passengers between american cities. The president outlining his plan to make it all happen. Well, 8 billion in stimulus money to start and 1 billion a year thereafter to match local projects. Keeping them honest now. It is now three years later and we cant find any highspeed rail thats actually been built. Certainly not on this farmland in california, an area tapped as a highspeed train route. Youll see fields of trees if you go there, lots of dairy farms as well. Plenty of cows. But no highspeed trains. Nearly half of the 8 billion has been pledged to california where they have been planning highspeed rail between San Francisco and los angeles for more than ten years. As word pointed out in this program before, just by ten years and billions pledged, not a single piece of track on that line has been built. Where is the rest of the money gone . Some of the money, believe it or not, went to vermont, a state with no big cities, little congestion. As drew griffin found out, very few rail passengers and even fewer trains. Reporter it was a 50 million federal grant, tax dollars bringing highspeed rail to vermont. Sleek, fast trains taking d. C. Ers and new yorkers up to the tranquil countryside and quaint towns of the Green Mountain state. Now, all the work is done. Listen. And watch as those trains and your tax dollars whiz by. Its not that vermont has done anything wrong with the money, in fact they did a pretty good job. They came in on time, on budget. They even got the local Freight Company to kick in another 18 million to improve the rails here. The real problem is, hardly anybody is riding the rails in vermont. I could stand here almost all day long, not ever worry about getting hit by a train. You can jog on the tracks, go to lunch without looking. Ever worry about getting hit by a train . No. Reporter its now 3 00. Still no train. 4 00. The sun would set before we would see our first train. 8 44, and here it is, the first train that weve seen all day. And at the busiest station in all of vermont, 11 people got off. No one got on. Im coming here to visit friends. How many did you have . Onboard today . Yeah. About 95. 95 . Yeah. Reporter on average, the train from one end of vermont to the other carries less than 250 people a day. The next morning the same train traveling south saw 13 people get onboard, including andrew menke who is making the trip to new york. How long will it take you . Nine hours. Probably five and a half to drive, and seven on the bus. And nine on the train. So the train is not your fastest route . Not at all, no. But you have the most room. I think its the most comfortable. Do you wish it was more highspeed . I wish it was faster, definitely. Highspeed rail. Reporter thats the other part of this story, the highspeed part. So what do you get for your 52 million share of the 70 million project . Just 28 minutes. Thats right, the new train is less than half an hour faster than the old train. In some areas the train gets up to 79 miles an hour, but thats top speed. And just for a portion of the trip. Its not necessarily highspeed rail, its in the traditional sense were talking about, its a little higher speed. We define it up here as higher speed rail. Reporter shes an assistant director with vermonts department of transportation. So the intent was never to get these japanese style, european style bullet trains whizzing through vermont . No. Our train stops are too close together for us to get up to the speeds, and then to decelerate by the time we get to the next station. Reporter so if vermont will never have highspeed rail, why did it get federal highspeed rail money . Randall otoole studies urban transportation for the libertarian leaning cato institute. The federal government had one criteria when it was passing out highspeed rail funds. And that was, had states done an Environmental Impact statement, so that the projects would be shovel ready. Reporter vermont had a shovel ready rail project and the white house was ready to shovel out money. It didnt matter if the project was worthwhile, all that mattered is whether they were shovel ready. Reporter as for the low ridership, actually ridership in vermont is up. They said we just hit a bad day. If we waited until the late train friday night on Martin Luther king holiday weekend, wed see a big crowd getting off is at this station. We had 28 reservations coming into the Essex Station tomorrow night. 28 . Correct. All those people could fit on one bus. Right . It could. But thats not their choice. Their choice is rail. Reporter guess what else is coming to vermont. Even more money from u. S. Taxpayers for highspeed rail. That in reality is making slowspeed rail just a little faster. It seems like a whole lot of money for very little improvement. What is the Obama Administration or Transportation Department have to say about this . Well, you know, this was the first project under this highspeed Rail Initiative that was completed. And when it was completed, ray lahood, the transportation secretary, was out there just praising that, again, that it came in on budget, came in on time. He said it will move more goods more efficiently, create jobs for the economy up in vermont. And it did increase speeds just a little bit. But it did increase speeds. Nothing was said about the fact that this is not highspeed rail. You say even more money is going to vermont for highspeed rail. Why is more money being spent on the project . Well, theyre still working on this same line. Basically another 8 million is going to be spent improving the track on this very train route from what is now the end of the line up to canada. Eventually they want to reconnect montreal to this line, thinking that somehow or another, that is going to increase the travel along this line. But again, vermont says, you will never have the highspeed rail that you or i think of, anderson. Its impossible given the topography and station closeness. How many other projects are there in this initiative, this highspeed passenger initiative, and do any of them actually reach high speeds . The answer to your last question, so far, none that we can think of, or find out about. There are 154 different projects, 10 billion being spent, some of that work is done. None of them have reached the speeds that, again, you or i think of in terms of the japanese or the french or these other trains. Were actually going to go around the country now and try to take a look at each of these individual projects. Its really becoming more or less a hunt for these earmarks that weve done in years past. Seeing what little improvement, or great improvement, or some improvement has come to the rail lines. But anderson, as we approach what they wanted, the 21st century rail network, were still seeing slow trains going a little faster. And a lot of money spent. Drew, thanks. What do you think about this . Lets talk about this on twitter right now. Up next, remembering an extraordinary life. Tim hetherington. Well be joined by his friend, sebastian, about tim. 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A new hbo documentary is premiering the sundance film festival, that remembers Tim Hetherington who was killed in 2011. While covering the war in libya, misrata. I had the chance to work with tim in 2009. We spent a week in afghanistan with the marines. Here he is with cnn photographer phil littleton. During that trip, tim captured amazing images. He was an incredibly talented photographer, dedicated, fearless, a real gentleman. A pleasure to be with. The hbo documentary is called which way is the front line from here, the life and time of Tim Hetherington. It was directed by sebastien junger. He made the documentary about the conflict in afghanistan. Were going to hear from Sebastian Junger in a moment. But i want to look at tims work from a clip from the hbo documentary. Right over the ridge, man. I was completely surprised by the amount of fighting going on. These guys were in a lot of combat. [ bleep ] im good, im good hes still in there [ bleep ] what was interesting is not to belittle the fighting, but i got kind of tired of it. For me once there is a sort of adrenaline in combat and filming that. The important stories is being close to these men. Thats what its about. Thats what im really there for. The life and time of Tim Hetherington will air on hbo in april. I spoke with Sebastian Junger. Its hard to believe its going to be in two years in april that tim got killed in libya. Why did you want to make this movie . Originally, i wanted to understand how he died. There was a lot of questions about it. And people who were with him, journalists who were with him came to new york for the Memorial Service shortly after he died and i took the opportunity to interview them with cameras, really interview them in the studio to find out. Then i realized i had sort of the beginning of an incredible and tragic story. Within a couple months i talked to hbo and we decided to make a film and they financed it. What do you think it was that drove tim . I spent a little bit of time with him in afghanistan. We were working together there. And he was so interested in combat, but it wasnt sort of the bangbang. He was very it was about people, and sort of the wars impact on people. I thought that really interested him. We were with the u. S. Forces in afghanistan. There was a lot of combat out there. After a little while, combat gets your attention. Its very intense. But after a while, tim said the most interesting thing thats happening out here isnt the combat, its what happens between the men, between the fire fights, the bonding, the friction, the sense of a group, the loyalty. He said thats really interesting. In some ways more interesting than the combat itself. I completely agreed. Combat is a lot of things. Its not just fear and shooting and all that stuff, it contains boredom, it contains exhilaration and fear and desperation and longing. All the human experiences. And love, too. And love. The love between the people who fight. Thats right. And tim and i both were really interested, sort of developing the full spectrum of what happens emotionally in combat. Weve got a clip from the film that you made. Lets watch. My work as a photographer filmmaker, i always look to be as close to the subject as possible. Youre always looking for those moments when the machine breaks down, where theres cracks in it. I think what happened to us, in terms of given access into this remote valley in afghanistan, is people kind of forgot about us. And i think it was that persistence of going back and back that gave us such unique access. Hey, guys. How are you doing . You know, perfect day for a stroll. When tim and i got into the valley, the things that soldiers evaluate are, are you going to cause a problem . Are you going to freak out during combat and need to be taken care of . And finally, are you going to be sort of nasty and political about all this . And tim and i were clearly not doing that. Listen up. Today were going to conduct limited contact in the village. Weve got 11 u. S. Personnel, and sebastian and tim. Anybody have any questions . What was he like in the field . Tim was incredibly dedicated. And very loyal to the group. I mean, he broke his leg in combat once, on top of a mountain. It was a trip that i was not on. He was by himself. With this platoon. And he walked all night on a broken leg to get down off that mountain. Because he realized that to sort of be a crybaby about it would have endangered everyone in the group. So he walked all night on a broken leg. He was very he really thought sort of situationally. Like a fire fight would break out, i would sort of be focused on what was happening right in front of me. He thought more about the broad context about the story. We were constantly talking and he was reminding me, the story, its not just whats happening in front of you. You have to think deeply about these 30 men on this outpost and whats going on between them. I went to an art gallery where they were showing some of his photographs. He had taken this whole series of shots of soldiers sleeping. Which i thought was really interesting. It was amazing. Theres a lot of boredom in an outpost like that. Even one with as much combat that we had. Days will go by without a fire fight. Weeks even. And it was very hot. And everyone was kind of asleep. It was like midday. Soldiers sleep as much as they can. And i was just spacing out. Nothing was happening. And tim was running around photographing these soldiers. We talked about it, and he said, look, you never see these images. You see the guys geared up in their helmets and vests and machine guns, and they look very powerful, and they are. You take all that stuff off and they go to sleep and they look like 10yearold boys. Thats who we have fighting for us, really boys. And they very much look that way when theyre asleep. That was sort of the essence of what a soldier is, that he caught, that very few photographers would have thought of. Is this story worth dying for . Do you think tim thought a story was worth i dont think tim thought any story was worth dying for, and most journalists i know feel similarly. The question is, which stories are worth risking your life for. And is the risk manageable or not manageable. And anyone whos done war reporting, tries to make that calculation in a safe and wise way. Sometimes were wrong. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you, anderson. Tim hetherington was 40 years old when he died in libya. Extraordinary man, extraordinary life, cut far too short. 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