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Is quote lying to reduce his jail time. The white houses Deputy Press Secretary was asked about it a short time ago. Take a listen and note he did not deny the allegations. The president did not tell Michael Cohen to do that . Im telling you this is why the president refuses to give any credence or credibility to news outlets because they have no ability to corroborate what they are putting out there. That was not a denial of my question. The premise is ridiculous. Not a denial. Walk us through a little bit more of what we are learning. Reporter here is what makes this buzz feed story so damning when you think about it. If all of this is true, what buzz feed says is that there is other information that the fbi and the special counsel has that has nothing to do with Michael Cohen. There is Text Messages indicating this activity. There is documents. They have talked to other witnesses according to buzz feed, witnesses from the Trump Organization who have come in and talked to the fbi. There are internal Company Emails talking about this. So certainly a lot more information that would corroborate what buzz feed says that Michael Cohen has told the special counsel that he was directed by the president to go before members of congress and lie. And what this is all about ultimately is the trump moscow project. Really questions about why would the president direct Michael Cohen to lie about it. Michael cohen when he pleaded guilty to lying to members of Congress Said he did it because he thought it would be politically favorable for the president if he didnt admit that the meetings that he was having about the moscow project. When you look at the moscow project the efforts began in 2015 and remember they lasted much longer than initially indicated by the president and others. Thats what sort of started a lot of the controversy surrounding the project because the president had indicated that talks ended earlier. Michael cohen when he pleaded guilty in manhattan to lying to members of congress admitted that the conversations and activities surrounding the project went on much longer and that the president was being brief. Certainly, a lot of questions. This story certainly if true would corroborate a lot of what buzz feed says Michael Cohen has told the special counsel. Thank you. And as he pointed out, if proven true, the other issue here, President Trump committed a crime by instructing Michael Cohen to lie to congress. That is the legal opinion from a critical player, the president s own choice for attorney general william barr. Take a look at what barr said during his confirmation hearing. If there is a reason to believe that the president tried to coach somebody not to testify or testify falsely, that could be obstruction of justice . Yes, under an obstruction statute. If there is evidence that the president tried to conceal evidence, that would be obstruction of justice potentially . You wrote on page one that a president persuading a person to commit perjury would be obstruction. Is that right . Yes. Any person who persuades another. You also said that a president or any person convincing a witness to change testimony would be obstruction, is that right . Yes. Cnns jeff zeleny joining us now with more. We learned President Trump watching coverage of barrs hearings, what has his reaction been so far . We know the president was watching all of that testimony earlier this week. We are told by three people familiar with the matter that the president was caught offguard by some of the testimony. Of course, this testimony this morning in the wake of that buzz feed report is coming under much sharper scrutiny here particularly the questions there. We know the president was surprised and taken aback a bit, we are told, by the friendship that william barr described between him, his family and the special counsel Robert Mueller. He said they are good friends and will remain good friends. If the president has tried one thing above all is question the credibility, the integrity, the purpose of the special counsel investigation, we saw there that william barr called Robert Mueller a straight shooter. He said he believes he is doing an honest probe here. That assails directly what the president has been talking about for months. We know the president was caught offguard by this. He know they knew each other through washington legal establishme establishments. He did not know they were as close of friends. We are told the president is not going to pull this nomination or change plans on this. But it certainly changes his view of his nominee to be attorney general. We always know the president watching all of those hearings couldnt have been pleased at what william barr said about bob mueller. Jeff zeleny, with the latest. Thank you. Joining me now, cnn legal analyst, and matthew rosenburg. He covers intelligence and National Security for the new york times. As we look at all of this, barr was asked directly and we heard him answering the question there in the sound we played about obstruction. You tweeted out that if this buzz feed story is true we are actually talking about more than obstruction here. What else do you think is on the table . Sure. So it is a crime to lie to congress. That on its own is a crime. Directing somebody to commit a crime means you are guilty of a crime. This is how a crime boss gets in trouble. You direct other people to deal drugs. Directing other people to lie to congress is a crime. You dont need to get to the obstruction of justice issue. The legal issue is very straightforward. As long as Michael Cohen was directed to lie as to a material issue, something that was important to the United States congress, that is a federal crime. In terms of the lie itself, that lie that buzz feed is reporting on, if true, is that the president asked cohen that he its not insignificant here in terms of the details of what he was asking him to talk about. It also speaks to Donald Trumps potential connections here. Walk us through that. I mean, the buzz feed if true is describing the president saying i need you to lie about our conversation about the trump tower moscow plan. We know deep into the president ial Campaign Donald trump and the Trump Organization is negotiating to try and build a trump tower in moscow. Donald trump wanted Michael Cohen to lie about this. This starts to fit into this broader pattern where we get a range of denials on any number of issues and find out that the Campaign Chairman was giving private briefings and polling data to russian oligarchs on any number of issues. We keep hearing things. And then there is just the sheer fact that asking somebody to lie to congress and lie to investigators is just a flat out crime. Its not a process crime. If thats true, that is an unambiguous crime. In response to the reporting, Rudy Giuliani said if you believe cohen i can get you a good deal on the brooklyn bridge. The reporting isnt so much about what Michael Cohen said, its about who told him to say it and the special counsel according to buzz feed does have interviews with multiple witnesses to back this up. They have evidence. We are talking about internal Company Emails, texts, documents. When you add all of that up, its interesting that this is what we hear from Rudy Giuliani. He is not denying the substance of it. He is saying that cohen is a liar. And if what buzz feed news said was true then it doesnt matter what cohen says. I think a lot of viewers may have been following the trial of Paul Manafort. There Robert Muellers team put rick gates on the stand. He is a known liar. It didnt matter to the jury because there is so much other evidence against Paul Manafort that that evidence carried the day. It is fascinating if we step back for just a moment and look at this trump tower moscow deal. The deal didnt happen. The talks stopped before donald trump was elected. Even if we are hearing different stories about when they talked. As you look at this through a National Security lens, is there a reason for concern here that you see . You know, i mean, i think you want to be careful not to say like there is a deal in russia therefore it is bad. But you have a lot of context here. You have a president who seems to want to take Vladimir Putins word over his own Intelligence Services at times. You have a president who keeps insisting that Vladimir Putin and the russian government are potential partners and people we should be favorable to. Why . They have not proven to be reliable allies, friends of any sort for many, many years. Attempts to reset relations with russia in the Bush Administration and Obama Administration failed. Why is trump doing this . We find out they are negotiating business deals there. That looks bad and looks like something is going on or went on here. It begs the question, too, it may look bad, but is there real cause for concern based on what we know from a National Security perspective . Absolutely. If you fear the president is putting his own interests ahead of the country then that is a National Security problem. Despite the fact that the special counsel has been very tight lipped, what does it tell you about the case that Robert Mueller is potentially building here . I have to say as you point out, Robert Mueller has been really tight lipped. The way i would think about it is when we look at the night sky, we see the stars but we cant see anything in between. We dont really know what mueller has. Just the Little Things that we do know are obviously alarming. The news today, we know about the Campaign Finance crime, for example that the Southern District prosecutors revealed. So there is certainly cause for concern. If i was the president s lawyer, i would be very alarmed and i would really be figuring out what our options are and trying to mount a very aggressive defense because things dont look good for the president right now. Good to have you both here today. Thank you. Coming up, we are going to get to the bottom of it. That is a message from a top democrat on this bombshell report. President trump grounding a war zone visit by House Speaker pelosi after she calls to reschedule the state of the union. Is there any hope for a resolution at 800,000 federal workers wrap up another week without pay . The protein you need with less of the sugar you dont. straining ill take that. cheers 30 grams of protein and 1 gram of sugar. Ensure max protein. In two great flavors. I can do more to lower my a1c. 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As we look at this and what we have learned in the buzz feed report, if true, would it change at all what you would want to ask Michael Cohen on february 7 . The committee and the Oversight Committee will be determined to fully investigate mr. Michael cohens claims about the president. This is a federal criminal offense and more importantly its a constitutional offense against the rule of law and against constitutional democracy. We simply cant have Public Officials ordering their underlings to lie to congress. So i think this would very quickly become the primary focus of what the committees want to look at in terms of mr. Cohens testimony. We dont know if it is true, of course. Already, people, of course, are saying that this is a matter of the gravest legal urgency. Michael cohen as far as we know is still planning to testify, but sources telling cnn he is concerned for the safety of his family. Do you have any indication that he may not appear . I have no reason to think he wont appear. We would clearly do whatever we can within our power to make sure that he is secure and safe when he comes to capitol hill. I dont know what other provisions can be made to guarantee his safety. I have never seen a situation like that before at least since i have been in congress. Obviously, we would do whatever we can to make sure that no witness who appears before the u. S. Congress suffers any kind of retaliation. As we look at all of this, your democratic colleague tweeting if the story is true President Trump must resign or be impeached. You taught constitutional law. If the president did tell Michael Cohen to lie to congress, is that an Impeachable Offense in. Bill clinton was impeached about over the matter of telling one lie. That lie related to a private sexual affair. This is a pattern of perjury before congress on a matter of National Security importance. So clearly if we follow the precedent set by the republicans during the clinton administration, this is a completely Impeachable Offense. If this report is true. And i want to under score that all of this is based on the truth of the statements by mr. Cohen. We dont know yet if they are true. The same thing took place with richard nixon, lying and obstruction of justice were the cardinal offenses. I think obstruction of justice was the very first impeachment article brought against him. Obstruction of justice and perjury to congress are right there in the heart of impeachment territory. There is no doubt about that. As you look at this, then, and as you point out, if these claims are true, if this reporting is true, what kind of evidence would you need to see to make that judgment . Well, we want to hear from everybody who was involved in it, everybody who was involved allegedly in the conspiracy to suppress the story of the president s ongoing business relationship with russia. You know, i have to say that there is a lot of evidence that has come out already in the various criminal prosecutions and indictments and the sentencing reports which indicate that the president had extensive business ties with russian tycoons and oligarchs. I felt that the achilles heal of this administration from the beginning without regard to the truth of this particular allegation. I felt it is that the president has run it like a money making operation. He has continued all of his businesses, the trump hotel thrks trump tower. He never disengaged either from ownership or the collection of profits or even management he continues to check in on it. We have never seen anything like it in the history of the United States. From that cardinal sin that is it flows everything else, the obstruction of justice, the pattern of lying, the concealment of all of these relationships with Vladimir Putin and his various oligarchs and the business tie cohat surr him. The basic flaw is to violate the wisdom of the founders. They try to guarantee that the president of the United States would have 100 undivided loyalty to the american people. That was the whole idea of the clause, the whole idea of not allowing the president to collect titles of nobility and other salaries. The idea is the president would be committed to our people. Our president violated the basic oath and commitment and has flowed all of these other potential crimes and Impeachable Offenses. I want to touch on this. It is day 28 of the shutdown. You have said your top priority is ending the shutdown. There are 80,000 plus federal workers who you represent in your district. We are looking at a full month of people not getting paid, some of them working anyway. There is a political tit for tat going on. What is more important today . A political win or people being able to feed their families . What are you willing to give . We have voted nine times to reopethen government of the United States. We have accepted the republican bills that pass overwhelmingly in the g. O. P. Controlled senate to reopen the government. We passed legislation to reopen the department of state, commerce, department of justice, agriculture, interior. You name it. We have passed those repeatedly now. We are begging the president to come to the table and reopen the government of the United States. It is hurting our people in very serious ways. I do have tens of thousands of constituents who are air traffic controllers. They are scientists at the fda. They are researchers at n. O. A. A. , clerks, doctors, lawyers. They are either being told they cant come to work, being furloughed. I have people who are emailing me the paychecks that say 0 on them. Have any of the folks said to you i want my paycheck back. I appreciate that you want to open government before you negotiate. Maybe throw the president a bone and give him a little bit of money for the wall and get me back to work. Have you heard that in. People are sayingopethen government and say we will not be held hostage as a people. We will not be held hostage as a workforce over a policy dispute. Once we go down this road and we are at an unprecedented area here as with so many other things with this president , will when will it end . At that point, he will commit political extortion and blackmail over the Affordable Care act. This is an absolute violation of the separation of powers. We need four senators on the republican side to come over and to vote with us to reopen the government. Four senators is all we need and we can reopen the government of the United States. Appreciate your time today. Thank you. My pleasure. Coming up, could President Trump meet with north koreas lead negotiator today . And what does this mean for the possibility of a second summit . 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They are working on a plan for a second summit between President Trump and kim jongun. Todays meeting comes on the heels of a pentagon report that says pyongyang is still an extraordinary threat. Cnn senior Diplomatic Correspondent is live now at the state department. What do we expect to happen in this meeting . They are talking. Thats about the best we can expect. If this is a successful meeting, they will have some advancement towards a second trump kim jongun summit which we expect to be if all goes well maybe next month sometime. We know that the state department has been scouting out locations. So at the very least the dialogue has been moving hopefully in that direction. So if they come out of this meeting and they have set a date, that would be a success. That is about the best we can hope for here. The glaring thing that is lacking, of course, is that we dont expect any advancements in terms of what north korea is going to do, some big gesture towards actual denuclearization. If you remember, before the last trump kim summit, the state department was outright demanding that before that summit could happen, north korea needed to do something. It needed to start living up to the commitments it made back then that it wouldnted to denuclearize. They wanted to see a big gesture on the part of north korea. Then they slowly backed away from that and ended up having the summit anyway. Notice this time the u. S. Isnt making demands. They are not saying first you need to give us an inventory of all of your Nuclear Sites and all of your nuclear weapons. They are not even asking for that. They just want to have a second summit in the hopes that progress can be made there. So well see what comes out of this. We expect the north korea negotiator to also meet with the president today. Dont know what kind of pictures we will get from that. He is also supposed to deliver another letter to the president from kim jongun. Remember last time he was here he delivered that huge letter that there were pictures of that President Trump got. He also recently had a letter delivered to kim jongun. The dialogue is there. And at the very least that is a good sign. Well watch for further developments. Thank you. Coming up, king kong versus godzilla, how one trump adviser is describing the battle between President Trump and House Speaker nancy pelosi. Where can shutdown negotiations go from here . If you have psoriasis, Little Things can be a big deal. Thats why theres otezla. Otezla is not a cream. Its a pill that treats moderate to Severe Plaque Psoriasis differently. With otezla,75 clearer skin is achievable. Dont use if youre allergic to otezla. It may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. Otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression. Tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts, or if these feelings develop. Some people taking otezla reported weight loss. 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So hurry in before new create your own ultimate feast ends. New this morning, House Speaker Nancy Pelosis office accusing President Trump of causing grave threats to her congressional delegation and to the american troops they have planned to visit in afghanistan. That letter comes out and it didnt take the white house long to fire back. We have complete coverage. Cnn Congressional Correspondent is monitoring the developments from capitol hill. Sarah westwood is at the white house. You are just getting this reaction from the white house so lets start with you. The white house is responding this morning to the speakers accusations that the white house endangered the democratic lawmakers that were planning to travel commercial to afghanistan by leaking details of the trip. A white house official saying when the speaker of the house and about 20 others from capitol hill decide to book their own commercial flights to afghanistan, the world is going to find out. The idea we would leak anything that would put the safety and security of any american at risk is a flat out lie. That statement is misleading because the president publicized the details of a congressional delegation trip to a war zone that was being kept secret because the publication of the trip could have posed a Security Risk to the participants. The acting budget director is announcing that no congressional delegations of any kind can take place during the shutdown. They cant use government planes if planning to take a trip, that is if lawmakers are planning to. That announcement comes after the first lady used a government plane to travel. The president cancelled pelosis visit to afghanistan to visit troops citing the shutdown as a reason when the president himself travelled to iraq use ag government plane during the shutdown to visit troops. A lot of contradictions coming from the white house on this today. A number of contradictions. Ph phil, im sure we would like to say that it is mind boggling the back and forth we are seeing. We know it is not. Walk us through what we are hearing. What Speaker Pelosis office is putting out is a fascinating tick tock that we dibt have a day ago. The Government Shutdown continues to this day. To walk you through what happened. We saw the president s letter yesterday that came out where he essentially postponed all congressional delegation trips for the duration of the shutdown. What Speaker Pelosis office has put out is once they received that notification that they would not be able to use military air they started scrambling. Buses were outside. The delegation was ready to leave. Speaker pelosi was about to leave. And what the speakers spokesperson said is they started to look into commercial flights to see if there was a way to get there through that avenue. They were informed by state Department Security that because of the public release of the trip particularly given it was a visit to afghanistan it was too dangerous for the delegation and the troops and officials on the ground and therefore they needed to take precaution on that. What we heard also is in the statement is that they believe the administration leaked the commercial options that they were looking into. The administration is pushing back saying it is a lie. The spokesman for Speaker Pelosi saying they heard from news organizations that seem to have an idea of the commercial flights that they believe had been leaked from administration officials. There is what the Speakers Office says. I think this is a back and forth that doesnt look like it will end anytime soon with serious allegations flying back and forth and the government still shutdown at this point. Throu 800,000 federal workers becoming pawns in the political back and forth. Appreciate it. Thank you. 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Obstruction of justice and lying, both highlighted in the bombshell buzz feed report that claims President Trump personally instructed his former lawyer Michael Cohen to lie to congress. If the allegations are true, it is tough to miss the parallels here with water gate. Joining me now a special prosecutor. As you look at this, does anything that you are seeing here if true rise to the level of high crime and misdemeanor . If true is the big condition, mr. Cohen has already said previously that he was ordered to commit perjury. Buzz feed information adds that there is potentially corroborator information by way of emails or Text Messages or the like that would support mr. Cohens statement. In addition to that, you have the logic. Why would mr. Cohen lie to congress about mr. Trumps involvement in a deal with russia to build his hotel there in moscow . What motivation would he have . Similarly, what motivation would cohen have to lie about his involvement in hush money payments made to two individuals at least who claim to have had sexual relations with mr. Trump . So in a jury situation, you would always ask about the motivation to determine who is lying and whether to credit the testimony of a government witness such as cohen. You mentioned the logic and the evidence which can be two very different things. When you look at the evidence and buzz feed saying there is documentation and documents and Text Messages, what you need to see in terms of evidence, would there need to be an email from donald trump himself to Michael Cohen . Would it need to be that clear in terms of evidence for you . That is so unlikely that you would have that. But this whole twoyear period has raised anyones crujewelity for what might be and what might not be. The circumstantial evidence is substantial at this point. I think it is inevitable now that congress will have to open an impeachment inquiry. Then you would have a much an investigation ongoing into impeachment. And that provides a big catchers mitt target for bob mueller who has a number of different we are sorry to cut you off, sir. Well have to leave it there. Speaker pelosi just taking the mic on capitol hill. Always appreciate your insight. Lets listen in to Speaker Pelosi. It transpired since 2 00 yesterday. Our members who were on the bus, i was ready to join them for a 2 15 wheels up from here to Andrews Air Force base to visit our troops, pay our respects to thank them for their service, their sacrifice and their dedication, to get a measure of the leadership of afghanistan, a strength of their military, the morale of their people. Its about governance, its about security, its about the civilian affairs in the country as we make our oversight decisions about our policy, the engagement that we have in afghanistan. The members were on the bus already. I was about to join them and the president then canceled the trip. It was kind of a funny letter saying seven days somebody didnt tell him it was a quick weekend trip, but nonetheless, that served his purpose. Not only that, but we had the prerogative to travel commercial and we made plans to do that until the administration leaked we were traveling commercially and that endangers us. We werent going to go because we had a report from afghanistan that the president outing our trip had made the scene on the ground much more dangerous because its just a signal to the bad actors that were coming. You never give advance notice of going into a battle area. You just never do. Perhaps the president s inexperienced didnt have him understand that protocol. The people around him, though, should have known that. Thats very dangerous. And then so were saying, well, its not only been our safety, thats one thing, but the more important thing is the people who we would be meeting with, our civilians there. Our own troops first and foremost, again, they take so many risks for us. We didnt want to heighten the risk for them. So then we can go commercially, so we say lets review this in light of the states report. The president s statement has heightened the danger on the ground. As were making that decision, all of us together, then the state department doubles down and says we dont think you should come because the president s statement has made it dangerous. The fact that they would leak that we were flying commercial is a danger not only to us but to other people flying commercially. Its very irresponsible on the part of the president. Well go again. Well go another time. This would have been my ninth trip. One of my colleagues, it was his 15th, but weve been many times to see what the needs are of our men and women in uniform, honor those needs and thank those troops. How do you know the leak came from the white house . The white house has denied the leak came from them. I rest my case. Do you view this as reta retaliation for your letter . I would hope not. I dont think the president would be that petty, do you . Youre accusing the president of endangering the lives of our americans and our troops. Thats what the state department reported to us. This is a fact, this isnt even an opinion. Anyone in the presence of a high level or any level of congressional delegation in a region, you heighten the danger. And this was a high power. We had the leadership of the intelligence committee, the Armed Services committee, the veteran affairs committee, the Foreign Relations committee, government reform committee, subcommittee on terrorism, and were very proud of the trip, 20 years in the military. Has this week put us further apart in terms of trying to settle the shutdown . I certainly hope not. Open the government. Thank you, all. Speaker pelosi weighing in there saying, number one, she hopes this wasnt retaliation from the white house. She was talking specifically about the plans for the congressional delegation that were kacanceled. She said once they decided to fly commercial, they got a note from the state department because according to the state department the president s statement had heightened security on the ground. According to pelosi, the white house leaked that they were taking that trip. When she was pressed as to why she was sure the white house leaked it, Speaker Pelosi did not answer the question. 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