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This sunday. Im fredricka whitfield. We begin with growing pressure on the u. S. Congress to avoid a crippling u. S. Government shutdown this week. Time is running out. Lawmakers now have just six days to pass a Spending Bill to fund the government. Federal agencies have already started the formal process of preparing for a shutdown. If that happens, millions of federal workers could have their paychecks withheld until a deal is reached. But with the clock ticking, it is clear House Speaker Kevin Mccarthy doesnt have the votes to pass a stopgap funding bill and House Republicans are engaged in Open Warfare Over who is to blame for the stalemate. The hold outs keep saying to Kevin Mccarthy, dont bring bipartisan bills to the floor. We dont want you to use democrat votes to try to avert a shutdown. But theyre using democrat votes to try to cause a shutdown. These individuals, these republican hold outs are voting with nancy pelosi. We should have separate single subject Spending Bills. Kevin mccarthy promised that in january. He is in breach of that promise. So i am not here to hold the government hostage. Im here to hold Kevin Mccarthy to his word. Cnns Priscilla Alvarez is joining us now from the white house. What is the white house strategy to deal with a possible shutdown . Reporter they have to prepare for the very real possibility there could be a Government Shutdown a week from now and that means having the Office Of Management And Budget formally notify all agencies that they need to review their plans. That includes again for each of the federal agencies looking at who would be furloughed who are would be considered essential and what activities and services may be disrupted if this shutdown does happen. That is a process that began on friday. It will be ongoing throughout the course of the week. President biden making it clear saturday evening at an event it is incumbent on republicans to avoid this because any shutdown would cause great disruption. Lets be clear. If the government shuts down, that means members of congress, the u. S. Military are going to have to continue to work and not get paid. A Government Shutdown could impact everything from food safety to Cancer Research to head start programs for children. Funding the government is one of those basic responsibilities of congress. It is time for republicans to start doing the job america elected them to do. Reporter as you heard there, there are very real world implications of a Government Shutdown. The white house officials have been warning for example of disruptions to air travel as well as the toll this could take on the economy. Republicans said on saturday that they are trying to lay out a path forward and tried to project some confidence that they could reach a deal this upcoming week. The reality is as you heard earlier that they are just not on the same page yet. The clock is ticking with a short amount of time and the white house is very much preparing and bracing for a potential Government Shutdown. Thanks so much. With me now to talk more about this is Lindsay Mcpherson a congressional reporter for The Messenger and a congressional reporter for punch bowl news. Good to see you both. Do you see any scenario in which a Government Shutdown is avoided . There is one scenario and that is Kevin Mccarthy does something he has been unwilling to do so far and that is work with democrats to pass a shortterm funding extension. If he does that there will be enough votes between both the democrats and the centrist republicans to pass a shortterm funding bill but he so far has been unwilling to work with democrats and wants to find a solution within the House Republican conference. As youve said they dont have the votes to do that. So it is possible unless he is willing to change his tune and work with the democrats there will be a shutdown. And this whole episode has really underscored the divide between moderate and hard Line Republicans in the house. Take a listen to some of the back and forth attacks from just this past week alone. These people cant define a win. They dont know how to take yes for an answer. It is a clown show. Weve got some of these moderate republicans who want to go and join up with the democrats. They will be signing their own political death warrant. Got a handful of people that are holding the rest of the conference, the majority of our conference kind of hostage right now. It gets harder each time there is another failure by leadership to do what they should do. They say congress is broken. I think todays vote showed just how broken we are. Are House Republicans prepared to take the blame for a shutdown and the possible fallout that comes with it . House republicans are definitely going to deflect any blame of a Government Shutdown on the biden administration. They are going to blame it on senate democrats. They are definitely some might even blame it on Speaker Mccarthy for not being able to yaw unify his conference. Theyll definitely deflect the only People Holding up the issues are a handful of House Republicans that are really kind of far away from the res of what their colleagues are saying. Nobody wants a Government Shutdown. Speaker mccarthy has been clear on that. It is about maybe five or six members not that concerned or even saying they dont really care that the government is shutting down incoming days. While Kevin Mccarthy, i mean he doesnt want a Government Shutdown as mica was saying but also wants to keep his job as speaker. Can he have both . No. That is the thing. I wrote a story today just explaining he has to choose. It is a No Win Choice whether he allows a shutdown or wants to keep his job. He has to choose. Working with democrats with almost certainly lead to a vote on a motion to vacate. It doesnt mean he would be gone. There are also scenarios where they have the vote and he can stay in power. It will lead to either a vote to oust him or a shutdown. He has to decide which unideal scenario he is willing to accept. Reporter how much are republicans thinking long term scenario . If there is a Government Shutdown or Kevin Mccarthy loses his speakership. Should they be worried that this kind of chaos is going to cost them the house in the 2024 election . I think a lot of House Republicans are certainly worried about the repercussions this is going to have next year especially given the top of the ticket already has donald trump who has his own legal problems so the parties are already facing a lot of issues going into a very critical election year. We are seeing a lot of frustration among moderate pragmatic republicans. Kind of the Majority Makers who are being more vocal about the influence the right wing has been having. Well see how this plays out especially if the Party Looks Like it is not unified that is a really big problem for House Republicans right now. And a solution is a short term Funding Solution you already said at the top. Do you think that is going to happen . Or do you think a shutdown is imminent . Certainly the senate is working on a plan they hope to move next week, short term Funding Solution that would potentially attach ukraine aid, disaster aid to a kleenex tension of current government funding levels. It will take them all week to move na procedurally. Rand paul said he is not going to expedite the process so theyll run up to the end of the week working through that in the senate and the big question is if they can get it to the house and they should be able to is how mccarthy responds. As we said he has a No Win Choice and i cant say for sure how he will respond. It is hard to predict. There could be a shutdown. Mica, how do you think it may play out as we see the gop on the Campaign Trail and then this week in the upcoming debate, you know, without trump at the debate do you see all of this kind of coincides . Yeah, definitely. I think this week is going to be a huge test for Speaker Mccarthy, as much as the congress has been. Well continue to see these scenarios play out with just having a narrow majority and the influence of the Freedom Caucus and house conservatives have had in trying to get the agenda they want kind of through the house and beyond. So were really going to see what happens this week. All right. A busy, bumpy week indeed. Thanks to both of you ladies. Appreciate it. Thank you. All right. Were also watching for developments in the hollywood writers strike. After four days of marathon negotiations, writers and studios could reach a deal as early as today. It is a glimmer of hope for an end to a strike that has dragged on for nearly five months and impacted the production of scores of Television Shows and movies. Cnns Parent Company Warner Brothers discovery is a part of the negotiations with the union. Any new word . Reporter nope. Were still waiting, fred. This is sort of the game. Wait around and see what is going to come out. What were waiting for is wga because what we are hearing from sources on the studio side is that they gave them a best and final offer so we know theyre still at the negotiating table. This is now the fifth day of these Marathon Sessions where they stay all day behind closed doors negotiating. What is different about the weekend is you didnt see studio heads in the room. Sources close to them did say they were still engaged in the process. The skepticism comes from the fact that we are basically only hearing from the studios. There are writers, producers, and people in the industry still waiting and want to hear directly from the wga. Here is one of those writers. Until you hear it from the wga you have to take all that with a grain of salt. Studios have put out so many misleading things and just outright easily disprovable lies, so i think the statement of making a best, last, and final offer is a last attempt to try to save face and make it look like they got tough with us. People want to see what comes out of these negotiations because what happens here is that even after they reach a deal, which could be as soon as today, the members, which is about 11,000 of them, have to ratify the agreement and then even furthermore even if they do come to an agreement and the members ratify it, you have to wait for the writers because they are on strike as well. That could likely take a while before things here in hollywood go back to normal. Look, people do want to go back to work. A lot of people are suffering. This is 145 days of no work. So a lot of people are ready to go back to work. This has been very difficult economically. The Economic Impact is estimated to be about 5 billion. It is not just hollywood. There are so many industries, so many people, a sort of domino effect. Hotels, restaurants, anybody that sort of interacts with this industry is suffering because there is no work. People are struggle go to put food on the table so a deal gives them a lot of hope but again, they are still a bit skeptical and waiting to hear from the wga, fred. All right. There have been tough days for a lot of people. Camila bernal, thanks so much. Yes. Still to come, a rare cosmic gift. A nasa spacecraft flew by earth today and then delivered a sample collected from an asteroid. What nasa scientists hope to learn from that sample, next. For authentic seasonal scents that fill your h home with warmth and cheer. R. Were not writers, but we help you shape your financial story. 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History nasa is returning an Asteroid Sample from space. Cnns space and defense correspondent has more on this remarkable mission. The spacecraft left earth back in 2016. Since then it has traveled more than 4 billion miles to the asteroid and back before finally releasing a capsule over the United States on Sunday Morning. You know, inside this capsule was about half a pound worth of rocks and dust and soil from the surface of the asteroid, itself. This is really the first time that nasa has ever done anything like this. The capsule entered the earths atmosphere traveling about 27,000 miles per hour. It hit temperatures of about 5,000 degrees fahrenheit before finally landing in the utah desert at just about 11 miles per hour, thanks to some pretty big parachutes, which helped slow the landing. From there, Recovery Crews that had been training for years for this very moment swarmed the capsule. They were able to check it out and make sure it was still intact. It was. They were able to make sure it was not, the battery was not leaking any toxic fumes. It was not. From there they were able to safely transport it to a clean room. From there, it is going to be going on to the Johnson Space center in houston, texas, where it will be opened and revealed to the public in about two weeks. That is where scientists are going to be spending the next few years, really looking into what exactly this sample has returned. This is the sample from the asteroid benu, a very ancient asteroid from the beginning of the time around when the solar system was formed. So scientists are hoping to gain insight into if this is the kind of asteroid that could have perhaps seeded planet earth with the elements needed for life, things like water and carbon. There is a belief it was these types of asteroids that upon impacting earth were able to seed it with those elements and give it the elements needed to create life here. Scientists will be looking into that and also looking at the Planetary Defense side of things because there is a very small chance this asteroid could hit earth in about 150 years from now. It is a small chance but it is a chance so nasa twoonts study as much about it as possible. So fascinating. Thank you so much. Coming up u. S. Defense secretary lloyd austin on a diplomatic tour in africa. Well tell you what he and key allies are hoping to accomplish, next. , i got it at tmobile. Hey be right back. Whoa, i love that titanium you need to go to tmobile where new and existing customersrs can get t iphone 15 pro on the. And d with their best go5g plan, youll have the freedom to upgrade every year. You are very wise reflection common and youre very handsome real common. At tmobile. Get the iphone 15 pro with titanium on us now and the freedom to upgrade every year. I realized that jade was overweight. I wish i would have introduced the fresh food a lot sooner. 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Defense secretary lloyd austin is on a three african nation tour. Our Natasha Bertrand is traveling with him first stop j djibouti. What is the goal . Reporter this trip is about counterterrorism efforts. The u. S. Military presence on the continent of africa is what it is all about is fighting those Terrorist Groups particularly al shab abin Eastern Africa where Secretary Of Defense Austin has been the last day and will continue on to kenya tomorrow to meet with u. S. Troops who are in the country as well as of course to speak with Kenyan Defense leaders about their progress in fighting al shabab. He had a series of meetings today with the djibouti president and Defense Leaders focused on the terrorism aspect and importantly met with the president of somalia which has been fighting a very challenging fight against al shabab and of course where there are also u. S. Troops in the country. So that is really the key theme here but it is also about broader stability in the continent. A number of countries across the region have fallen in this series of coups and attempted coups in recent months and years. The Message Austin really wants to drive home here is we will be your partner, the u. S. Will be your partner as long as you practice Good Governance and there is stability and democracy. That is the key theme he is trying to drive home here. France has also announced now it will end its Military Presence in nagir by the end of the year. How does that affect the u. S. And its allies . We have yet to get a direct response from the secretary of defense. Expect to hear more on this likely tomorrow or he will at least be asked about it because it is a very important move that the french have made here and something that really raises questions about the future of the u. S. Military presence. The u. S. Still has about 1100 troops in the country which if you recall it did fall to an attempted coup earlier this year and Military Junta leaders now control the country. France has made the decision among much resentment to French Forces being there to withdraw by the end of the year. They were very important partners for the u. S. There. The u. S. For now saying they are still not going to change their force posture but of course it remains to be seen if they are exploring other options and if they can fees bably stay there having a key partner thrown out of the country. It is a very important base for the americans in terms of flying drones and reconnaissance to kind of monitor Terrorist Threats in the region. So the u. S. Probably not going to be very eager to leave there. In fact, we were told they have been looking for ways to stay even with those Military Junta leaders in power having overthrown the democratically elected president. Natasha bertrand, thanks so much. Back in this country former president jimmy carter and his wife roslyn made a Surprise Appearance at his Hometown Peanut Festival in plains, georgia. They were spotted riding through the event in this suv right there. Just one week before carters 99th birthday. The 39th president has been under hospice care since february and the two have been married for 77 years. The longest married president ial couple. There is growing criticism today from Top Democrats for new jersey senator bob menendez who is facing federal corruption charges. These are in fact indictments that have to be proven under the rule of law. The person who is accused is entitled to the presumption of innocence and it is the responsibility of the government to prove that case i called on him given the gravity of charges to step aside. As i said. And i think right now given how weve got elections coming up, a lot of distractions obviously giving the senator time to defend himself i think it is best he step aside i leave that up to the democrats in new jersey. They have a democratic governor. Reporter youre a democrat, congressman. Doesnt It Cast A Cloud potentially over your party at a critical moment . Should he step down . I dont think so. Reporter menendez and his wife are accused of accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars in bribes including gold bars, cash, Home Mortgage payments, and lux have i vehicle in exchange for the senators influence. Today Senator Menendez was supposed to cohost a hispanic heritage Month Celebration in his new jersey hometown but the event was suddenly postponed. What is menendez saying about the charges and the most recent calls to step down . Overall he remains reluctant to step down. There is certainly the growing criticism you mentioned but also the growing calls some of which we heard right now. Frank pollone the new jersey democrat now representative has become really just the latest to call for the resignation of the new jersey senator bob menendez specifically saying that though he should have his day in court he does not know exactly how he can adequately serve given the allegations that came to light. He is just the latest out of House Democrats to call for this. Not on the list is rob menendez, his own son representing new jerseys 8th Congressional District and mains he still has, quote unwavering confidence in his father. The list who do not is long and grew longer as we heard from more elected officials from the Sunday Morning programs including one member of the House Of Representatives from new york who fears all of this could affect her chamber as well. I do believe that it is in the best interests for Senator Menendez to resign in this moment. As you mentioned, consistency matters. It shouldnt matter whether it is a republican or democrat. The details in this indictment are extremely serious and involve the nature of not just his but all of our seats in congress. Do you think he should resign . Absolutely. Everyone has been calling for his resignation and the body of allegations are certainly of the kind that it makes it very difficult for him to do his job. He stepped down from being chairman of the Foreign Relations committee, a serious step. I think Senator Menendez has to think long and hard about the cloud that is going to hang over his service in the United States senate. Not everybody is actually echoing these calls. You played a short portion of senator durbins remarks here or his comments. He is a number 2 democrat in the Upper Chamber and essentially punted not just to menendez but his constituents saying they should have the last say in terms of whether or not he steps down. In the wake of this indictment a democratic congressman from nguyen has announced he will run against Senator Menendez. What can you tell us . His name is andy kim. He served since 2019. It didnt take long for him to take the social media to announce his plans to run against Senator Menendez. Certainly it is likely he will not be alone. He certainly made headlines when photographed after the january 6 Insurrection Cleaning Up Debris after the crowds stormed the capitol. Very memorable. All right. Thank you so much. Still ahead, the mayor of el paso, texas says the city is at a Breaking Point. The city is opening Overflow Shelters as it braces for a surge of migrants while mexico agrees to deport migrants before they even reach the u. S. Southern border. Stay with us. Of Bob Evans Mac and cheese. Tender macaroni smothered in real cheese. Ready in just minutes with the delicicious taste, bob evans is known for. Bring home the warm, Gooooey Goodness of mac and cheese today. Were not writers, but we help you shape your financial story. 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Border cities that local officials are having to resort to desperate measures. El paso had to open an Overflow Shelter for 400 people but that may not be enough considering that local officials there say about 2,000 migrants are arriving to the city daily, the city of nearly 700,000 people. The mayor says the city has only so many resources and right now theyre stretched to the limit or in his words a Breaking Point. The mayor expressed concern only a day after mexico made an agreement with the United States to deport migrants from its Border Cities to their home countries. Mexican officials also agreed to take a total of 15 actions to deter migrants from taking the Perilous Trek North including negotiating with origin countries like venezuela, brazil, nicaragua, colombia, and cuba. Allowing u. S. Border patrol agents to expel migrants across the border from el paso, texas submitting a daily report of the number of migrants on cargo trains in mexico traveling north and establishing check points on railroads and highways. These actions cant come soon enough for border leaders. This is how he described the situation his city is facing right now. The city of el paso only has so many resources and we have come to what we look at a Breaking Point right now. So we have to look at different resources. One of the things we are doing is preparing for the unknown. We have a broken immigration system. This is a system that we have to work within. Until it is fixed, you know, we seem to be doing the same thing over and over again. They keep sending us money. We keep trying to find shelter and make sure people are off the street and our community is safe but then the day the at the end of the day the system is not changed. It is happening at the border and it appears the mexican president is willing to work with the white house. Mexicos top diplomat set up the u. N. Friday said at the u. N. Friday that the mexican president wants to meet with President Biden in november in washington to discuss migration, drugs, and firearms trafficking. He also said that mexico is currently dealing with its own migration challenges including the daily arrival of, listen to this, about 6,000 migrants to its southern border. Back to you. Incredible. All right. Thank you so much. This weeks cnn hero watched as her teenage son, nick, lost his battle to cancer. The one bright spot during his treatment was his makeawish trip to hawaii. When nick found out that kids can age out of makeawish he was devastated. The night before he passed away he asked his mom to make sure older kids can still get their wish. So this mom has dedicated her life to granting once in a lifetime experiences to Young Adult Cancer fighters ages 1824. 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This sunday osullivan takes us on a journey across the country to meet the believers, their frustrated families and confront their Qanon Con Spear Sift leader. The assassination date right over here. Go add it up, 11 22, 1963. Add it up. 115. Were at war 115. What is the significance of 115 . Youll find out, 174. Whats my number. Trust the plan 174. Whats my number . My number is 174, but its also 218. But i got to go. Why is it that people like you so much . Are you a con man . No. Are you taking these women for a ride literally . No. Youre bankrupt, arent you . Im not bankrupt. See you later. So what do you make of that . Well, i saw a few things in there. One was what i call thoughtterminating cliches. Ke he kept saying youll find out, youll find out, youll find out. Thats the kind of thing that theres no real answer to. Theres no explanation needed. You can just repeat these things, and theres no way to kind of prove or disprove youll find out. Donie osullivan is with us now. Wow, that was really perplexing. How did this encounter with Michael Kroetsman happen, by the way . We met Michael Last Year in dallas actually, just outside a hotel, quite close to the grassy knoll, daley plaza where President Kennedy was assassinated almost 60 years ago. The reason he was in dallas and his followers were in dallas is because part of this cult some people call it a cult, this set of beliefs, is that somehow President Kennedy or his son jfk jr. Didnt actually die and that they are working with trump in some kind of way to kind of save america. Obviously, its an insane conspiracy theory, its crazy. He was able to convince a lot of people to show up in dallas. Not only that, some people stayed with him. Some family members, had loved ones who went and essentially lived in dallas for months, waiting, supposedly for the return of jfk. How did he get to be the leader of so many . And whats with the whole numbers jumble stuff . The numbers is jim at tria is a equals one, z equals 26. In this group he was able to use it in a kind of way to tell followers that there was something to it, you know what i mean . If the name of one persons qualls the same number as somebody else, that there are connections there. Look, obviously its irrational and really what we wanted to do in this documentary was kind of get beyond the Conspiracy Theories itself and really speak to the family members, people who have loved ones who have gone down this rabbit hole and got stuck with this group. Among the family members, you actually spoke with his mom. What is she thinking . Thats right. Hopefully people will tune in tonight to see the interview. Really we all thought, as we were going into this and watched this that michael protsman, he was the cult leader, as such. Obviously people who have loved ones following him have strong feelings about him, a dislike of him, of course, understandably. But incredibly michaels mom colleen agreed to sit down with us. She told a story how michael himself had actually gone down his own rabbit hole of conspiracy years ago. Went down the alex jones, sandy hook, 9 11 Conspiracy Theories. He lost his family, lost his business, lost his home. Thats what we really wanted to show here is that, of course this stuff is pretty crazy. Its pretty wacky when you see it. Look. Not all these people are kwauks. A lot of them come from good homes. They have families, businesses, functioning members of society, but then something clicked one day and they got pulled into this. I think oftentimes its easy to laugh at qanon and try to dismiss it as something crazy, but really it is still having an impact on so Many American families. Indeed. Well be watching. Donie osullivan, thanks so much. Thanks, fred. A whole new episode of the whole story with Anderson Cooper tonight at 8 00 p. M. Eastern. Thank you for joining me. The cnn newsroom continues with jim acosta right now