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Really happen in the wee hours there in brazil. The gas station owner now says that the athletes threw some rocks, ripped a sign and even urinated outside. The athletes are then seen trying to leave. At one point you see them trying to get into the wrong taxi cab after they here you go are approached by a man who appears to be in a uniform. And appears to be armed as we see one of the swimmers here raising his hands in surrender. The next Surveillance Video shows one of the swimmers wait for it youll see him fall to the ground. Here you go. And they appear to be forced to sit down there on the concrete. One of the swimmers stands up. The Surveillance Video we are given ends. Weve got a lock to walk through here, what maybe happened, legal implications. Mi miguel marquez, let me just begin with you. Walk us through. We did bits and pieces of the video. Tell me what we see and mostly what we dont see. This video was released by a brazilian newspaper, given to them by brazilian investigators. It shows what was going on at least a piece of what was going on that evening when mr. Lochte and his cohorts were got into this situation. You can see in the video as lochte walks out, he appears to be second, given that the distinctive hair color that mr. Lochte was wearing during the olympics. And he does appear inebriated at least to stumble as he walks out in that video. In the other videos, it is clear that they are confused, trying to get into the cab, and then it looks as though a Police Officer or somebody some sort of authority puts them on the ground. And thats why you have these massive changes in the story. Christine, youve seen the video, analyzing it as well. We dont see any guns. You do see them with their hands up apparently in surrender. Weve also heard that lochte has there have been different versions of his story. Tell me what you know. Yeah. Well with be if this video is accurate, it certainly looks like it is, with the reporting that were hearing now around town is accurate, ryan lochte made it all up. He said he had a gun to his head sunday morning. Obviously an incendiary comment to make at any time, but especially during the Olympic Games in this city, rio, all the time months and months weve talked about it all the runup to these games, the issue of crime and violence and zika and water pollution. Laundry list and that it would play right into every stereotype what lochte said. For four, five days this goes on, basically hijacking the Olympic Games. And then it is not true . Wow. What a bombshell. It reflects so poorly on ryan lochte and well see about the other three teammates as well. Exactly what the u. S. Olympic committee did not want to have happen. Usoc likes to lie low, let et athletes win medals. This is a pr nightmare for the u. S. Olympic committee and for ryan lochte. Are you from your perspective seeing anything criminal here in the video . It doesnt look like it from the video but as we know, the video only tells a portion of the story. Theres no audio so we cant hear anything thats being said. Again this is not the first time this has happened with u. S. Swimmers. As you recall several years ago during the olympics in south korea, we had a swimmer that had vandalized a local church or some type of religious stole some type of religious statue from a church or something. This isnt the first time this has happened. Lochte is back here in the u. S. We do have an extradition treaty with rio. I dont think this rises to the point where hes going to be extradited. This is filing a false Police Report. Its being investigated as we could investigate it here. So theres a lot of questions to be answered yet. Unfortunately weve still got those three swimmers down in brazil that are being held in custody until this all can be sorted out. You mention the false filing of a report. If this turns out to be entirely false, whole story was made up, what kind of trouble could these guys be in . If they communicated a false report, in brazil, my understanding is that is a crime that carries a penalty of up to three years. Similarly, back here in the United States, there is a federal crime, lying to Government Law enforcement agents, that carries a potential sentence of five years. When it comes to extradition, all extradition is governed by the applicable treaty. Brazil has a treaty with the u. S. There are two main components. First, it has to be an extraditable crime. It either needs to be within a list, then additionally it has to be something that is punishable in both countries with a year or more imprisonment. Now technically that may meet the definition of the treaty, but even the listed crimes in a treaty are so general that it really depends, number one, on what brazil chooses to charge them with. And number two, the politics of the state department in even evaluating that request because treaties are its not uncommon for people just not to follow them and decide, you know what . We dont feel like giving this person back. What makes this case particularly complicated is that we have more than one person in each of the countries. It would be very awkward for the United States to say, were not giving you lochte, brazil, and then in the same breath turn around and say, by the way, can we have those other guys back . Christine, heres my other question. The whole why we care factor of all of this. When you look at someone like ryan lochte, i think he is the secondmost highly decorated swimmer behind Michael Phelps. We hold them to a higher standard and when you hear these sorts of stories, people talk and people dont like it. Brooke, absolutely hold olympians to the highest standard possible. The toughest drug testing, by far, way tougher than Major League Baseball or the nfl or anything else. The quaint term role model thats gone out the window with so many sports is alive and well with the olympics and usa swimming. Usa swimming has banned Michael Phelps twice, once for the marijuana photo and then for six months after the dui incident. I believe with all my heart ryan lochte should be banned for u. S. But in terms of having an affiliation moving forward. When you place in context i know it sounds harsh. Place in context rio and what hes asserted and how he has taken the spotlight from hundreds of athletes over the last few days. The predicament hes put his teammates in as a team leader, leaving these three guys, to a twist in the wind from the u. S. Team, and then of course the u. S. Olympic committee, the ultimate embarrassment. I dont see any way they cannot ban him for life. Usa swimming takes these things very, very seriously, and im glad they do. Wow. 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Back to our breaking news here, live pictures, Rio De Janeiro as we are all waiting to get a little more information. Because, my goodness, there is still a heck of a lot of questions over this whole was there a robbery, was it not a robbery, were they just drunk and up to no good. Talking about ryan lochte, secondmost highly decorated swimmer and some of his olympian swimming buddies down in rio in the wake of their wins in the olympics. So we have all this new video weve been parsing through from the wee hours one morning at this gas station. The yes iquestion is, is lochte telling the truth, was he robbed at gunpoint as he has said, orntor not. Christine brennan, i believe this is your seventh Olympic Games. She just told me she believes the whole story was falsified and ryan lochte should be banned from swimming. Let me pose, christine, this question to you. I am a big believer in sometimes the truth lies in between. What if some of what lochte is saying is true, perhaps he was perhaps there was a gun. Perhaps he was forced to give over some money in his wallet. Maybe there wasnt a gun to his head. What do you make of that . Yeah, i think that were in this grey area where we still dont know everything and i think we will know a lot more in the next few hours. This is a kind of story that just develops so quickly. Yeah, i think there is some grey area. But assuming he made it up i am assuming right now, just for the sake of this conversation, that it is all made up then i dont know how you let him back into this sport. I know people would say he is almost 32, it is almost done. But doing usa swimming, alumni events. By the way, ive now covered 17 olympics. Yeah, i started when i was in kindergarten. But tanya and nancy in 1994, im sure many of you remember that. Tonya harding was kicked out of u. S. Figure skating for life. That was a whack on the knee, it was a terrible thing but it also became humorous in its own terrible way. A bruised knee and she was kick out for life. The u. S. Olympic National Governing bodies take this stuff very seriously. I dont know any oldschool people out there might say, you know what . Good. Good that there is some consequence for ones actions, especially for hijacking these games, as i mentioned, and for doing this to rio, playing into the stereotype not only of the ugly american, if in fact it is all true, if he made it all up, and of course what he did to the people of rio making it look like something happened when it did not, if in fact it did not. Say you are a ryan lochte or some olympian, you finish your events, perhaps you have medaled. Youre pretty stoked. Youre hanging out in Rio De Janeiro. What are they up to before they hop that plane and head home . Well, you bring up a great point. This is why for a while there hearing that they were getting at a cab at 4 00 in the morning that many of us nodding our heads saying, sure they were. Events go very late here. Saturday night was the last night. Swimming. He was there with his teammates. That was Michael Phelps last race and the womens medley, a big allamerican celebration. Then they decide to go out. Theyre already leaving the venue at around 1 00 in the morning. By the time theyre back out it is 2 00 or 3 00. That part of it is understood. Ryan lochte is an interesting fellow. Google him and youll see a lot of what hes been up to. Social media star. He is a happygolucky fellow. Obviously wanted to go out on the town and celebrate with his friends. I have no trouble with that. Im sure you have no trouble with that. Hes 32 years old. The only thing that i am looking at here for purposes of our conversation, brooke, is did he lie about having a gun put to his head, a story that literally put these games on edge. Charged the entire complexion of the olympics from that first week to that weekend boom. Theres that story, an american with a gun to his forehead. Otherwise, ryan lochte is doing what hundreds of these athletes do which is have fun enjoying rio after their competition is over. Christine, thank you. Still waiting for more details. Stand by. Well be right back. Does your makeup remover every kissproof,ff . Cryproof, stayproof look . Neutrogena® makeup remover does. It erases 99 of your most stubborn makeup with one towelette. Need any more proof than that . Neutrogena. Then smash it into a tree. Your Insurance Company raises your rates. Maybe you shouldve done more research on them. For drivers with accident forgiveness, Liberty Mutual wont raise your rates due to your first accident. Just one of the many features that comes standard with our base policy. Call for a free quote today. Liberty stands with you™. Liberty mutual insurance. We are back with breaking news. There is the podium. We are still waiting for police there down in rio. Were supposed to be hearing from the chief of civil police, the chief of Tourist Police, all on this scandal that has rocked the olympics. I say scandal because were really just trying to get to the point of what really happened. Talking about ryan lochte and his three swimmer buddies who were partying, as one might when theyve had a good time in rio. The question is were they robbed at gunpoint. Is that a true story, and if not, what kind of trouble could they be in. Christine brennan has covered 17 Olympic Games. Miguel marquez. Danny sevallas and mark roderick. Christine alluded to ryan lochtes presence on social media, you know, fill in the blanks. This is a guy who has over 1 million twitter followers. This is one who also just a short time ago posted an Instagram Post where he had silly faces used from snapchat basically and wishing somebody a happy birthday, not the most opportune time to put Something Like that forward. This is someone that sort of came into public consciousness certainly after the 2012 games. This very well known, very hot, very sexy american swimmer who took over the games basically and became known for his catchphrase, jaw. This is also a guy who starred in a 30 rock episode after that. He talks about that in interviews which he says he is just playing himself. He has a pretty good sense of himself. This is also somebody whos been in trouble in the past. He went to university of florida three times since 2005 hes been picked up, arrested. Once for fighting, once for urinating in public. Once for trespassing. He likes to have a good time, has a killer backstroke, but also enjoys the lighter side of life. Thank you for the profile, miguel marquez. For folks who are just joining us, what are you listening for from police and what kind of trouble if this whole thing was false, what kind of trouble could they be in . Truth lies somewhere in the middle. You are never going to get the exact story from either side. Any criminal defense attorney there is a video but it doesnt show anything. We would hope with the advent of video everything would be more objective. As you see, minute by minute it just raises more questions. Seems to me at least part of the story is, hey, ryan lochte and guys, you were lying, says brazil, because you said you were robbed when in fact it may have been the case that instead, somebody came up to you at gunpoint and demanded money. To me, thats still a robbery. So somewhere in the middle is the truth. If they were forced at gun point to hand over money, even over some civil dispute, there is some element of crime there. While they may not have been picked out at random and robbed on the street, maybe the brazilian side of the story isnt 100 fru eithtrue either. Hopefully as video emerges we can get closer and closer to what happened. Christine, in the lead up to the olympics there was all kinds of coverage about rio, zika, crime, pollution and when you followed the games, it was pretty tame. There was a green pool for a minute. And there was some empty stands. Then you have this. Youre there in rio, youre feeling how this story is resonating there. How big of a deal is this in rio . I think it is a very big deal and i think thats one of the reasons the police have been so public in the last 24 hours, to say wait a minute, here, there is whole other side to this as lochtes story unraveled, at least what we believe has unraveled. Its interesting because i have not seen one mosquito. Ive been here for close to three weeks. Ive not seen one mosquito. Thats kind of funny, although the zika virus is not funny at all. But i am being asked by other journalists to give my First Impressions the first week, kind of halfway through, and saying that things were pretty good. I sent those quotes actually to someone who was writing a piece for pointer. Org. If green water and this incident with the bus then if thats it, nen rios doing pretty well. And once the lochte news hit and he said again, it is important to said, he said, he told nbc that he had a gun to his forehead and they were robbed and all the things that, as we all know now he said. Once that happened i emailed the reporter who asked me, i said about those about my impressions. I said let me make a change here. I sent him another paragraph or two. Thats the best story i can tell you to illustrate how i, as someone whos covered a lot of these things, reacted to the lochte news. To me, it changed everything and put the games, as i said earlier, on edge. Everything was just edgier. The visual with an american with a gun to his head, a u. S. Athlete with a gun to his head, was really troubling. So to answer your question, i think it was a big shift from what we have seen to that moment, until that sunday morning and sunday afternoon when we first heard the news. I think it was a big deal. I think it is a big deal because we are all covering it so closely because of that turning point and the International Relations aspect of it. Rio and brazil were on the defensive and want to stand up for themselves and if the story was falsified, they want us to know. We are watching and waiting for civilian police, Tourist Police chief to sit at that table and speak to the members of the media. Meantime, another quick break. More on this breaking story out of Rio De Janeiro next. Your heart loves omega3s. But the omega3s in fish oil differ from megared krill oil. Unlike fish oil, megared is easily absorbed by your body. Megared. The difference is easy to absorb. Back with breaking news. Im seeing some movement, not quite the Police Chiefs here. We are waiting for chief of civil police and chief of Tourist Police there in rio to hopefully set the record straight on really what happened with ryan lochte and his swimmer buddies in the wee hours a couple of days ago. Ryan lochte standing by his story that he was armed rather, robbed at gunpoint. But there is now video thats come out at a gas station showing i dont know. I dont actually know. We dont really know what happened. But my question is this. Three of the swimmers are still in brazil. One is here in the United States. So how does that work . Could brazil say to the u. S. , bring him back with be we want to charge him . Does the u. S. Say what . Oh, what a difference if you are charged with a crime, where your feet stand geographically. Ryan lochte being back in the United States puts him in a drastically different position than his fellow swimmers who are back in brazil. And for the swimmers, as well as other u. S. Citizens, the state department will cannot and will not do much if you are arrested abroad. There is a misconception among some americans that somehow our government will send the blackhawk helicopters when we are are arrested in cancun or somewhere else. Not true. The only thing the state department may help you do is find a lawyer. They may help you get in touch with your parents. But they are not going to bust you out of jail, pay your bail or represent you in court. So those swimmers that are in brazil have a very different situation. Only way to get lochte back to brazil is through extradition. Through brazil and the United States, extradition treaty. There are rules and requirements and ultimately its something that the state department has to approve of and grant that extradition. Doesnt that add a layer of complication, the fact that there are three in one country and one in another . It adds a diplomatic political layer because, if brazil demands lochte back and the United States says, no, well, meanwhile, brazil has some swimmers that the United States might want back. So each of them is sort of at a draw at this point. If it gets to that. Whereas, really the better diplomacy would just be to come to some agreement and that would probably be some kind of restitution, a big apology, all over those many millions of followers that some of the swimmers have on social media. I dont know. But that might be the wise resolution instead of this could potentially escalate to an International Conflict over what started out as a particularly illadvised night out. Art roderick, let me just hear your voice. Cnn Law Enforcement analyst. Again as we await these Police Chiefs. On the left side of your screen, that is a piece of video from the gas station where they were for 4 30 in the morning. My question to you, sir, is what sort of criminal activity what sort of activity, i should say, could be deemed criminal in the eyes of rio police . Well, first of all, weve got some report of vandalism. Again, there is a ton of questions up in the air that hopefully well get answers during this press conference. But the vandalism is the key part. Did they pay the store owner off . We dont know. What was actually vandalized . Were they confronted by a Security Guard . We dont even know that. But i do agree with the panel that somewhere in between here there is the truth. If thats the case, then i think both parties have to come to some agreement here. Its just very odd also from a purely investigative standpoint that lochtes back here in the u. S. I mean did he call his attorney right away . I know his attorney has said that this was a scheduled trip for him to come back. But its just, as an investigator, it just throws some doubt on the whole story when all of a sudden the next day after this event lochte gets on a plane and comes back to the u. S. Hes the one who makes it home when the other three are behind in brazil. Quick break. Waiting for this News Conference to happen. Well be right back. Im only in my 60s. Ive got a nice long life ahead. Big plans. So when i found out medicare doesnt pay all my medical expenses, i looked at my options. Then i got a Medicare Supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if youre eligible for medicare, you may know it only covers about 80 of your part b medical expenses. The rest is up to you. Call now and find out about an aarp Medicare Supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare Insurance Company. Like all standardized Medicare Supplement insurance plans, it helps pick up some of what medicare doesnt pay. And could save you in outofpocket medical costs. To me, relationships matter. 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You know, whats happened is the fact that ive just decided that i cant be silent anymore. I really believe that donald trump represents a clear and present danger to this democracy and our republic. Unfortunately, there is no other game in town. I think hillarys left and reluctantly i say only partially reluctantly, im going to back her. The reason why is because i cannot see donald trump ever being commander in chief of our military. You said trump is worse than a clown or bigot. Then when i heard you say about Hillary Clinton, well, she was left, what dont you like about Hillary Clinton . I have to say very clearly and i am starting to change my attitude. Like a lot of other independents, you need to be pushed a little bit in one direction or another. I went to the republican convention. We saw nothing but separatism, dividing. At the democratic convention, at least they made an attempt to reach out to people like us, people who were independents, republicans, conservative. They made that attempt. Now, i r50e6eached out after i e in oped piece and said blanketly, as long as we can get to the understanding that the First Priority is taking care of our military, after the candidates said on wednesday they intend to put isis in its place. That means sending troops into the battlefield. We cant do that until we pay the debts that we owe. But you still didnt answer my question which is what about hillary made you so reluctant to finally giving in remember, i hold some of the highest clearances this country has ever given. I had somesecret si. I was at the National Security agency for my entire career. Send 600 days afloat under the water in black ops. The way she handled our security information is really unconscionable. However, we have due process. I spent my time in the military protecting that due process. Theyve run her through the gamut and decided not to charge her. Move on. Next. So that was the one that was my biggest reluctance. Now, second one is the fact that she has stated that shes not sure if that va problem still exists. Well, they do exist. There is no way for lie our way out of this. Whether or not we went from 22 to 21 people killing themselves a day, thats nothing to brag about. Last night after i went on hardball, two teps steps remo from hillary herself, camps have reached out to me, montel, can we talk about the Veterans Issues . I say this all year long, ive not heard from donald trump at all. He says he is advocating for Veterans Issues. No, hes talking a mean game. He said we want to put more Police Officers in inner cities because we want to help black people. Really . The next thing he going to say to build a wall around inner cities in to keep us out . He needs to stop the rhetoric over there. But also in this name calling he called Hillary Clinton a bigot. Beyond that he was saying that the Democratic Party has taken for granted black voters. Thats the most ridiculous thing in the world. Most ridiculous comment ever. The fact that he would even address black people after he himself wrote in his own book lets remember something, brooke. Everybody talks about the art of the deal. I want to remind you of this, when that book was published it never made the New York Times best sellers list. Im the only show that gave donald trump a full hour for that book. The monday after it aired, he was at number one. The author said when donald kaukd in to start the interview process, he said im really proud of this. Im that same guy i was when i was 8 years old. Hes the same guy today. Hes an 8yearold schoolchild who throws tantrums, wont study, wont listen, thinks he knows everything and wont listen to anybody. How many years ago was that show . That show had to have been when 20ish years ago. Yeah. What was he like then . Same guy he is today. I question the fact that i interviewed him then. I really kind of a little bit i had some angst over airing it because even those that were i had complete control over the show but my reps at abc were like, really . I have had a lot of folks on who advice trump, talk about his brilliance, his family. What about his brilliance . What did you like about him 20 years ago . You know what . I really put him on because i wanted to get some ratings. Back then. Nobody else would take him. I thought if i put him on i did exactly that. I got ratings an i got him ratings. Did he write you a thankyou note . Heck no. But thats not the only time ive met with donald. I met with him over business initiatives here in his office, in manhattan, in florida. I used to be invited to maralago. Im sorry to say he is the same guy i knew then. Well talk about what happened in brazil over the commercial break. In full disclosure, you just came up to say hello. I said what are your thoughts on as we talk about the olympics. There was such a runup to what happened in rio with regard to im sure brazil didnt love it with regard to zika and pollution in the water and crime down there. And for the most part its been solid Olympic Games and now all of a sudden you have this incredible american swimmer and our other olympic athletes, american, are being booed right now because of from. Go ahead. Your thoughts on all of this. Because they are held to a higher standard. He is a role model. Hes got not to hes got like a million instagram followers. Lot of young people i guess is my point look up to man. Hes 32, hes been in some trouble in the past. Hes the one thats made it to the United States. The other three are still stuck in brazil. What do you fink of this whothi thing . Ive heard everybody trying to excuse the fact that he has now and you know for a fact lied. Why do we know for a fact . Because he said when he talked to the nbc affiliate before matt lauer, young man on the evening show. When he talked to him he said that these young guys put a gun in my face, they put me on ground. Then he turned around and said, well, i embellished that. Then he said the car was run off the road. I embellished that. Embellments not, not. Its called lying. When in america did we decide to defend liars . Whether we like it or not, here in the United States if i Say Something blatantly false about you, you can sue me. If i file a false Police Report, you can be locked up. Im so sorry, these are olympic athletes, they should be held to a higher standard anderson acceand and lets stop accepting the low oes denominator. Thats donald trump. News conference. Lets listen. Translator can we start . Well, good afternoon to all of you. I will try to carry on this interview that will be easier for all of you. I hope that you all understand portuguese. There will be no opportunity for simultaneous translation, so any will speak in portuguese. If there is anyone that doesnt understand part geez, we can even try later on to answer any question. We cannot do it in two languages, although we have a huge number of foreign journalists here. I am the head of the civil police of the state of Rio De Janeiro. Im here with the head of the brazilian Police Officers. We have you all here in this theater, and we need also to thank the theater to allow us to have this press conference here because have it in a more comfortable way for you because the there our Police Office will not be able to accommodate all of you. So what were going to do in the following way our press conference. First of all were going to provide you all with a brief explanation, with a chronological analysis, explaining the evolution since the police was aware of what happened to now. Some information will not be able to inform you because the investigation is still under way. So its not concluded. Therefore, some information we might not be able to provide it to all of you. At the end we will try to again provide a brief explanation so you all know, understand, what is going on. The head of the police will try to explain again what happened, and then we will try to answer your questions. Because of the number of journalists that we have here, we ask you all to organize yourselves. Im not going to use my police power and say, oh, no, now we have a list. We have a list or the names of journalists. And were going to follow that li list. So what do you prefer . To raise our hands . Okay, were going to do it raise your hands. Im saying that because i have here the head officer actually here for the police tourism. And the Olympic Games are still going on and i know that you all want to understand what is going on so we have to do it in a very organized manner. And i cannot keep the head of the police of tourists here all the time because i know that there is still things that he needs to do. So having said that, lets start. The the incident occur in a different way than usual. The police was informed of the supposed robbery through the social media. And since then, our police for the tourists start working on that. You all know that. Has been disseminated through the media. The work of the police was very, very difficult due to the lack of information that we have and the very few information that we are able to gather from the supposed victims. They were very contradictory. There were a lot of contradictions since the beginning. The Team Coordinated by our chief of police, and then we start receiving some information that were clarifying how actually the incident took place. The first information that we were able to gather was from a taxi driver who he drove two ladi ladies, two girls, from they were leaving that party. And those two girls, they were they were in a way, they were dating. They had some interaction in a way with the swimmers, the athletes. They mentioned that to the taxi driver. The taxi driver, when he saw what occurred when he saw everything on the media based on what he heard from those two girls in the taxi, he brought that information to our Tourist Police department. So then we realized that probably, by now, some of the athletes already had a story to lie. This was not disseminated, but now we can tell that was true. We established several measures to end investigation. We gather Surveillance Video from the gas station. Also from other places when they arrive at the athletes village. Then we are trying to get that could tell what happened. And during that time our citizen command center which was created to interact with the civil society, some people went there and said that they knew exactly what happened and it was not really a robber, but it was actually a great confusion. So this citizen command center, they got in touch with our head of police, sitting next to me, and these people, they came and told exactly what happened. They were afraid to talk to the police because they were afraid of some kind of retaliation because were very well known and renowned for rn aeign athle. We talk again to the people and told them it was key for us to get these statement. So based on that statement, we then were able to understand exactly what really happened that day. We also heard other witnesses. We are also listening, as i speak, other witnesses. So this investigation is, again, under way, as i mentioned to all of you here, that its in progress. And during this investigation, even the taxi driver, he presented himself to the Police Department. We contacted our Tourist Police department. We heard then the taxi driver, and he confirmed. He in a statement confirmed what the police already thought was going on. Our tactical and Scientific Department is providing some kind of analysis of the gas station which was probably vandalized by one or by all of the swimmers. Niece are some of the measures that we implemented, that we can share. We all here, maybe my colleague can tell a little bit more. We are going to try to reduce the number of questions that you all might have. Thats why we are providing this analysis. No, hold on. Its not ready for questions yet. Right now as we speak, what the police can affirm, there was no robberies the way it was reported or claimed by the athletes. They were not victims of the criminal actions that they claim they were. The police cant affirm that. Since we still have some measures for instance, we still have to listen to witnesses, two of the athletes that are still in rio. We have not concluded our investigation. Therefore, we are not going to answer questions that relate to what is how they are going to be what kind of crime they will have to answer. These questions we cannot answer right now. Why . Because the measures to provide these kind of questions are still going on. We need to understand what each athlete actually did so in order to define what was the crime that anyone committed, if they committed. This is the real story. I say thats probably the real story, because we are still going to listen to other witnesses. So when they left that party, they stopped at the gas station. They went to the bathrooms, as the surveillance has shown, and they literally one or all of them started to vandalize the bathroom inside of the gas stati station, damaging some mirrors an things that they had inside that bathroom. With this altercation, some employees from the gas station tried to control that situation, as the Surveillance Video also show, the images also show the athletes going back to the taxi and trying to get away from the gas station. When the gas stations employees realize what was going on there, the Security Guards asked the taxi driver to not leave that place and wait for the police to arrive. We have also asked the Police Report saying that they were asked to go to this place. It has already been confirmed by our military police here in rio. So the athletes they refused to stay there. They didnt want to wait for the police to arrive. During that time a third person offered to be a kind of interpreter because the Security Guards of the gas station didnt speak english and the athletes didnt speak portuguese. So this third person, it is going to also be heard we are going to have a hearing at this possible interpreter explain then this interpreter explain to the athletes what they had done. So those vandalists attitude or behavior created a daniel to the gas station. They had to pay for that. So they offer to pay. Of a they paid with a 20 bill and 100, 100 plus 20. So 100 in the brazilian currency, and 20. So they left that money just to almost like to pay for the damage that they cause and leave the place before the police could arrive. The Surveillance Video of the gas station confirmed that version that is also being confirmed by one of the athletes. He is a witness, so he gave his statement as a witness. And then he reported to us all those facts that im describing to you now. This is the name of the two swimmers who are at the well, hold on, hold on a second. I am going to finish my presentation and so and then later on you will be able we will open to q a. Okay, im going to tell you the names of the swimmers. Im trying to help you all here. Please. One of them confirmed that version, so we have another component saying that after there was no robbery against the athlet athletes. The Surveillance Video images that also as the statements from the taxi driver, Security Guards, shows there was no kind of violence against the athletes when they were at the gas station. No physical or verbal violence that could lead that they could think that they are being victims of a robbery. No, there was not such a thing. The images also show the moment when the athlete are sitting on the ground. One of them started to stand. And we can see, based again on the Surveillance Videos and with the statement of the witness, we can notice and realize there was no violence. So their claim that they are being a victim of an assault or robbery of any kind of violence, its not true. Hold on a second, im going to ask my colleague, the head of the brazilian Tourist Police. Later on were going to open for q a. Raise your hands only after the head of Tourist Police finish. I think your analysis is really clear and coherent. I think you presented everything that we had to say. So now please raise your hands those that would like to ask a question. Okay, im going to alternate. Lets start with ladies first. Ladies first. Translator . [ inaudible question ] translator well, you have three questions. One for each journalist. We will ask if he was at gunpoint. Yes. Some of the Security Guards describe the athletes and based on one of the athletes was really disturbed somehow. He was actually very kind of angry. So there is the use of a weapon to control probably one of them. The answer, yes. And the question was, what has anything related to the girls. Well, because this brings a reason why. So the first version that we had, the police had, we started with very few information and very information that were very not real and what the statement of these girls shows a reason. So we believe one of the athletes has a relationship with someone else and wants possibly his girlfriend not to know what happened that night so he had potentially a reason to deny what happened. This is not enough reason for us to conclude what we are doing. We had the taxi driver that came and told us what was what the girls told him. So we are sharing this with you now because it could be potentially a reason. So your third question, why so difficult. Because the military police went to the gas station. And the investigation is still under way and i cannot provide you with any information, but we know the police was asked to go to the gas station. When Police Arrived there, was everything over, it was just an altercation, everything was fine. And the state of Rio De Janeiro i dont have the number out of my head, but during one year, the Police Departments, they had more than 1 million things that they had to look for. This is being kind of being resolved. So i have someone asking a question on this side, someone, im going to do a lady, then a gentleman. What do you think . [ inaudible question ] translator the question was about the athletes. Those that are being there were witnesses right now. I forgot to mention that now you know that they were not allowed to travel back home by a judge from rio. They are being heard right now. One, there was an interpreter there helping him to provide his statement and he admitted this version, the version that i just shared with you all here. No, he didnt provide any statement to the police, so he didnt lie to the police. What is the name of the swimmers was here . We have to confirm this later because we not quite sure. I can tell you other thing. Ryan lochte, u. S. , is going to be heard later. The two are being heard now. Two Security Guards hold on. We have to respect and you have to raise your hand and wait for your turn. I go now another lady. Ask your question, please. [ inaudible question ] translator well, the question was about if he had a gun at his forehead. Well, that could be a sign of extortion. Yes, possibly. We in order to find out, we now have to conclude the investigation. As of now, we have two Security Guards that have four very strong men, the athletes, with a very appropriate behavior, breaking things, damaging things at this gas station, and showing that they were brought to escalate this kind of violence that was against material things could be against the Security Guards or people around. So the Security Guards attitude probably justified in this case. Because if i have a weapon, i have to control to not allow this person to get close to my weapon. The question should be, there was an excess of the use of the weapon, probably yes or probably no. It depends on the situation. Up to now we see there was no access. We are still going to hear other witnesses. Right now as we have news coming up. Based on what the statement of one of the athletes that we have already heard, there was no such a thing in the use of weapon by the Security Guard. But we cannot answer. Listen, please, pay attention. The investigation is still under way. Im not quite sure. Please, you have to accept one thing. We have statements that we are getting right now. We are mentioning them now as we dont have them finalized. For instance, the experts to do an analysis of the gas station, they are doing right now. If we are going to speak of every single detail, well not be able to provide you with all the answers. Okay. So the other side now . A gentleman. [ inaudible question ] translator well, the first answer yes. The one of the athletes that was a little bit to having this kind of altercation was ryan lochte. [ inaudible question ] translator okay, lets answer this question because i forgot to mention. It might be very important. We dont have a conclusion about that now. Thats why it started about the behavior of all the athletes. We need to continue and finalize our investigation. If in the end we come to the conclusion there was some kind of behavior that we believe there was something that actually they did based on the brazilian law, it could be actually depends on the conclusion of the investigation. On normal situation, i would not answer this question because we cannot speculate. We cannot talk on hypothesis. But im going to answer because of the importance of this case. In theory, one or all of them might be charged for false communication of a crime and for damaging private assets at the gas station. Im not saying that they are charged right now because of that. We have to finalize the investigation and, in theory, that could be the case. This is not really a fact that this kind of crime will not lead to their arrest. [ inaudible question ] translator one of the athletes. With regards to jim feegen, Brazilian Bar Association touch base with us. One of the members of Brazilian Bar Association, an attorney is trying to bring him to the police. But, this has not occurred yet. Translator the Security Guard that showed the weapon, he was a Security Guard of the gas station . Is this weapon registered . With regards to the identity of the Security Guards, one of the requests that they made because of afraid of any kind of retaliation. They ask their identity, the preserve. We promise that to them. So their situation is really normal, regular. They are not doing anything wrong. But they ask us to maintain their identity in privacy. But im not going to share this without no. The weapon is legal. It is a legal weapon. [ inaudible question ] translator ryan. Ryan. Ryan, the athlete. Ryan lochte. He was the one that was really the one that was more physically outwardly he was more angry or nervous or in this way. This what we heard from one of the Security Guards. Yeah. Were going to confirm. Were going to confirm the identity of the athletes. One of them i dont know which one it was said the extreme attitudes that are occurring the gas station to ryan, one of the security guys said was ryan. He was very angry because he was intoxicated. He was under the influence of any alcoholic beverage. He was probably drunk. Alcoholic beverage. Translator so you can say that this is all taking place because of locked . So he would be the one responsible . Interpreter no, no, we cannot say that he was the only one responsible. This will be a very premature presumption of guilt. Translator im from cnn. Id like to hear your question. [ inaudible ] translator well, we it was not days. I have to explain to you exactly what happened. The Olympic Games are taking place in rio. So the regular Police Activities continues. So it means that our Police Departments, they are on. We have a huge demand also because of the Olympic Games. So after all of this occur in a very seamless way, we have an integrations between our local, state and federal Law Enforcement. For the Olympic Games takes place in the Central Command and control. All the entities and institutions are taking place so these general coordination which is done by a ministry of justice, department at the ministry of justice. This was done also through other channels, also through the american consulate, the representatives of the american consulate in rio. They are here. We also told them if they want to be part of our press conference. They said no. But they are here. They are following whats going. So the moment we send this notification, were only days. So they were notified. Well, we need to give them to give them a certain time. It was not only days that took place. When we realized that they were boarding and leaving the country, and then we realized that we are n they were not wg to cooperate in our legal measures, all of them were Legal Proceedings and procedures. And i also need to mention [ speaking Foreign Language ] charges from rio and they agreed when we realized. Well, this is a demonstration, clear demonstration, that they want to collaborate with the investigation. They are boarding the plane. So we this judge signed he signed a search and seizures warra warrant. Translator youre not going to ask your question . Okay. So now another gentleman is going to ask the question. Translator the attorney of ryan lochte said it was really over exaggeration. He said it was creating a circus here. Translator yeah, you see no clown on my face right now . That would be my answer to his attorney. No, here we dont have anyone here with a nose clown. This is not a cirrus. Sorry, my answer is not to you, but i think that what this attorney is saying deserves that kind of answer. Translator whose idea do you think was to create or this version . Do you think ryan lochte will be heard in the United States . Translator yes, fbi is following the investigation here in brazil. We are already defining or implementing this cooperation so that ryan lochte could be heard in United States. What we have to do, brazilian judge will agree with this regulatory ladder so that the fbi has already agreed to notify ryan lochte to be heard. So i cannot say whether the judge will agree with this or not. They the Security Guards and everybody, they are really saying that ryan lochte was the one kind of responsible. But this is still, in theory, we cant confirm that. [ inaudible question ] translator good question. Good question. The two athletes are being heard right now. We wanted them to collaborate in the investigation, and i think that we can say that i dont see any reason why to maintain them here in brazil since they have agreed to collaborate with investigation. And the first one of them, he narrates a version that its in ali alignment of our evidence, the testimonies and the witnesses, as well as the Surveillance Video images. So we will tell the judge in charge that he did collaborate with the investigation. So its not really the police that can say that he needs to stay or go back to United States. It is actually the judge. The three of them. [ inaudible question ] translator regards to the excuses, i think we are dealing with important people. Yeah, they are Public People that might influence other people. And people who can have this potential influence on other people, they have to follow some kind of behavior that at least should be proper. But they are people. They can make mistakes. Because probably they were under alcoholic beverage or anything like this. The excuses that they need to provide, the apology in the way is not to the police, but really to the city of Rio De Janeiro that had its name tainted by a very unreal or untruthful version. And i think it would be very noble for them to say that, you know, to really provide their apologies to the city of rio. No, no, we didnt have any opportunity, so i dont know if this was done when we left. So as of now i dont have this answer. [ inaudible question ] translator yeah. Yeah. We heard about that, about this command and control center. We are doing the same and follow the same procedure that we are doing in this particular case. You said rio is a violent city. Well, huge cities, you know, metropolitan centers, they have violence in their daily life. Rio does have that. Its true. But whats different is how we face and how we overcome the violence and the problems that we face here. What we cannot accept that responsibility for the Public Security or safety is not only for the police. For everyone. Also for the victim. If the victim doesnt bring that information to the police, might potentially be contributing to the lack of safe and security. So he not only doesnt have the right to request and demand the answer from the federal government or the State Government through the police or any other institution, but also has the duty to do what he needs to say. Because when we have people that doesnt do that, youre not going to be contributing to safe and security in the city. Every sentence, either from brazil or any other country, has the right to do that but also has the duty to bring that information to the police. Every citizen. But here in Rio De Janeiro, couldn dont know if you know, some people can register or report any incidents using the internet. So the police put all this effort to create this kind of, too. We dont have any problem to have more registered. So in the case of the british team, we are working on this case. Translator in the beginning of the interview probably they were afraid when they saw the Security Guard. You are also saying that this is being investigated. I think you cannot even configurate how the crime they created, they fabricated a story. Do you have any doubts against, towards that . Translator the question is the issue is thats not my certainties or doubts that i have over my colleague. What we have on the criminal investigation procedure, i have my private conviction but im not going to share with you all. During our investigation criminal procedure, we can provide we have evidence, elements, that show, that demonstration, that is very, very improbable that a normal person can consider that as the situation that the incident as a robbery situation. Surveillance video image doesnt demonstrate that, even in the use of the weapon was utilized in a way to continue to restrain them. And we also have a witness th that their interpreter, that interpreted everything for them. Unless we disregard this interpreter what he said and creating this story, yes, we do that. When we have a third person that has no interest at all that provide interpretation, that say you have to pay here for what you broke, the damage, one of the athletes says and gave the money, deliberately gave the money for the damage this he created. So that will probably be the final conclusion of our investigation. But we need to we have to wait. [ inaudible question ] translator Surveillance Video image will be analyzed by experts from the scientific and Technical Police department. This final analysis will confirm whether the Surveillance Video image really shows exact lly wh was there and seeing if it was added before or after. This is kind of work that is experts will do. But with this Surveillance Video image is not with the Police Department yet. So will take time. [ inaudible question ] translator the guns were i believe inside the [ inaudible ] translator well, there is no issues with the weapon with the Security Guard. I didnt understand your question about the way when they left the gas station. Well, they left in the taxi. We have already talked about that. Yeah. The athletes they wanted the taxi driver to leave the gas station but the taxi driver stayed because the Security Guards told them told him to stay right there. [ inaudible question ] translator well, the institution that provides Statistics Data about the crimes that occur in rio, i have this figure but i cannot provide you right now. We will give you that statistic data that you are requesting, but we dont have it right now. [ inaudible question ] translator the Security Guards here are Police Officers do you understand portuguese, right . One of the requests that we had is that the identity of the Security Guards should be kept private because the fear for retaliation. So their identity will not be shared for the media. We will not share or disseminate their names, their identities, in order to preserve these Security Guards. They are indeed Police Officers of the state of Rio De Janeiro. Im not going to tell anything more about that. Translator do you believe there was any kind of excess by the Security Guards . Translator well, listen. Please. You have to understand what is going on. We are just this is all speculation. As of now, we dont have anything that could say there was any kind of excess used by any of the Security Guards, even by the athletes. They understand that with being that the Security Guard used the weapon just to contain as restrain one of their colleagues when he was very angry. So, listen, we are not going to speculate about that. Any behavior, if it is done in an illegal manner, they will be eventually charged. But im not going to speculate right now. You know . I think we should not be wasting our time here speculating about those kind of things. [ inaudible question ] translator i think he left brazil on august 15th. [ inaudible question ] translator well, in theory again any damage, crime, its penal action crime depends on the person who was damaged. So it was up to the owner of the gas station to proceed with that. If the owner of the gas station says, no, i dont want any more confusion here in my gas station, the police cannot proceed with that penal action. So theres no issue, no problem the person could come to an agreement. If there is no physical altercations, if the one person who was damaged said its okay, the government cannot intervene because the law understands that if there was no physical altercation, that is fine. [ inaudible question ] translator we have already answered this question. Translator who are the two athletes who stayed with those two girls and the age of the girls . If they were dating . Translator no, we dont know. We dont have this information. We have to read the statement of that taxi driver who drove those two girls. I dont think this is something we can this kind of information that we can provide. [ inaudible question ] translator well, this is a very difficult question. I think you this is a question that you should ask to a psychologist. Well, in our investigation we dont have this answer. What could why did he do that. Probably this was to justify or we dont know. We dont know exactly. It might be important for our investigation to a certain point, but we dont have this answer right now. Okay. So were going to pull away from this. Theyve been going on for a little bit here but let me just give you my takeaway from listening to the police chief there, both in rio and the civil police. Saying ryan lochte and friends were not robbed, they were not victims. He based this on eyewitnesses, taxi cab driver, attendants at this gas station, Security Guards all detailing these guys showing up in it the Early Morning hours, vandalizing this gas station bathroom, shattering the mirror, things like that. At some point he describes these guys offering up some cash. 20 in u. S. Plus i think it was 1 h 100 whi is 50 in brazilian currency. They said we need you to say, we want the Brazilian Police to show up. The other issue is ryan lochte was saying he was held at gunpoint. Sounds like from police there was a weapon involved from the Security Guard at the gas station. So lets work with that. Danny sitting next to me, our lawyer. What did you think of that whole thing . Its getting stranger and stranger by the minute. I mean what i took away from that press conference was this. Theyre essentially saying, the authorities, these olympians were not robbed but, somebody may have come up to them with a firearm and demanded money. Possible extortion . They said, perhaps. Well, thats robbery here in the United States. Gun plus demand for money is robbery, even if you think you have some civil right to that money. If somebody wrecked your bathroom, i get it. We have civil ways of getting that money back. Typically here in the United States, what are the options that would not be sanctioned by your local police is, yeah, he owed me 220 so i went over to his house with a gun and demanded that he sit down on the ground, pull out his wallet and peel off wads of money. It seems very strange right now because the video as it is seems to back up the story that for some reason, these guys who were acting boarish and aggressive, suddenly became very cowed and very demure and sat down on a sidewalk, and that there may have been a fire oorm arm involved. Im not defending boarish, obnoxious frat guy behavior, im not. These guys may have bng acting horribly. But it seems a little inconsistent that brazilian nor authorities are suggesting that it is impossible a robbery occurred but conceding that somebody may have used a firearm to extract money from someones person. Well said. Well said. Christine brennan, let me go to you in rio. Youve been listening to all of this. You said if in fakct ryan locht falsified the story he should be banned for life from swimming. What was your takeaway from that News Conference . Well with be what a mess. I think there is more questions than answers. Obviously we want to start hearing from some of of these swimmers, brooke. So there is a long way to go. I do think that thif the story true, if they trashed a bathroom, if they behaved horribly, again, covering all these olympics, i remember in seoul, in 1988, there were two u. S. Swimmers who stole a mask from a hotel lobby and they were banned from the sport for 18 months. This is the olympics. This is not the nfl. This is not Major League Baseball. It is why we love the olympics. It is why i love covering the Olympic Games. I know i am sounding a little like mom and pop and the old days here, brooke no, im with you. Its been a dream of mine to cover olympics. I agree with you 100 . Right. And we expect more of olympians. Thats why they get the toughest drug testing in the world. 365 days, knock on the door you would have to produce a sample. Thats what they do. So i think there is a long way to go here. It is really hard to say definitively. But if what were hearing is true, and they trashed a bathroom, behaved horribly, a gun coming up with a Security Guard, that is an issue, absolutely. We need to find out for sure. But there is no doubt in my mind that ryan lochte clearly this isnt the story he told us a few days ago. And so that alone, the lying, at a time like this, when you are representing the United States, in the Olympic Games, i think it is still very problematic for ryan lochte. Mark geragos, another voice. You have this picture, according to the cops, drunk, vandalizing, threw some cash down and wanted to bounce, versus also a firearm being involved, to potential extortion on behalf of this Security Guard. What do you say . Well, contrary to your previous guest, who i love and adore, i will come in here and defend them. I dont necessarily say that its boarish behavior or anything else. But something does not smell right here and im not talking about the trashing of the bathroom. The fact that there was a firearm there, the fact that theyre down playing that, and apparently the defacing of the bathroom is the major crime here, tells you all you need to know. It looks to me,ateast, like brazil is spinning this because they didnt like the story in the first place, and thats apparently what ryans lawyer is indicating as well. Now ryans lawyer, if hes got hes talked to his client, probably has a pretty good idea of what actually transpired. It may not hue to the first story, but before we start jumping on this boarish behavior, these guys must have done it, they were lying, bandwagon, remember, it is a completely different system down there. You have a judge who is an inquisitor. He is not an impartial umpire calling balls and strikes. This is somebody who is leading an investigation. This is somebody in a country that has got a crime problem thto begin with that theyre trying to be very protective of. I would say before we jump on in boarish americans or the ugly americans overseas, lets step back and wait until we actually have some facts. Appreciate that. Thats why i wanted to hear from you. I want all of you to stand by. We now have our Senior International correspondent Nick Paton Walsh now live there at the gas station, the scene of i dont even know what you want to call it. Crime . No crime . Nick paton walsh, tell me what happened. Reporter i call it the scene of the mess really, brooke. It is extraordinary here how very pedestrian and daily life this scene is. It is a gas station. Ten minutes away also from the olympic venues down the road. You may be familiar with this. It is kind of the opening scene of a cctv video which shows the swimmer, according to brazilian officials, heading up and down this alleyway here. Now stick with me because this is the important point. It is just along this wall, probably a poster similar to this, where the alleged vandalism occurred, where this we are hearing from people that the alleged urinating happened down there. We are a matter of meters away from the actual toilets here themselves. The doors on some of those in particular are not in particularly good shape. Not sure if that is related to what happened here that night. This is a busy gas station here in the heart of rio. So here is where the rest of the cctv plays out. Listening to the discussion here, the explanation that authorities have given so far is some explanation, but after gathering the attention of the gas station officials, they come through here, they go to the wrong tex wrong taxi initially, and then move over here to where their taxi was parked. They get in and you see a man in black approach the driver. Lean in the car, have a conversation, that may be where the firearm was pointed at the swimmers. Obviously they had just seen these men damage part of the bathroom here at 6 00 in the morning. According to the police chief, they were aggressive and drunk. And want police think a financial transaction was had to end the event. So we dont have a new version of events from mr. Lochte or the other swimmers. It was at a Police Station but as of yesterday, his attorney was very clear to say that had they have not changed their series of events. Another thing that is interesting and worth paying attention to, im going to just move out of the way of a family car here. You have to ask yourself when did the u. S. Olympic committee become aware there may have been a contrasting version of events to his clear story to nbc that he was held with a firearm to his temple, on the ground, that took his possessions and not taken his cell phone. If they learned about it earlier on, there was rumors here in rio on monday until yesterday when the court order came out, or if they learned later, is it possible they feel the athletes they represent were not being open enough with them. That is something the usoc will have to answer in the days ahead. As of now, were hearing a details version of events. We have not heard the other side of the story of the four u. S. Swimmers. Two of them with police, that may have not just left. It is unclear if james feigen is being answered again. But we have gone from one very bad story and image of brazil, to this one here that i have to say if true doesnt look very good for u. S. Athletes. Did you ever think in covering the olympics you would be sent to the gas station to get a tick took of the mess that occurred in the middle of the night. Thank you so much. Not spending quite so much time thank you so much, discussing three hours of their sand night. Drew rosenhouse. You have been listening to all of this. Im even more confused than ever. Of everything, but from a future of swimmers perspective, and we know lochte may or may not be banned. Brennan is saying he should be if he false fied a statemeified. What about the other guys . This is a huge impact on lochte because he is the marketable one. From an agents perspective, whatever he did this would cost him all of the money he would make in endorsements now out the window in is sad for him regardless it will hit him in the wallet hard. He was going to get outstanding endorsements and thats where these guys really make their money. They dont get paid professionally for swimming meets and what not. Its all in the commercials and he is one of the most marketable guys in the business. Thats why he has the white hair and everything else, he is a character, you snknow . He is unique. He would have been the swimmer to get the most marketing dollars after phelps. Thats out the window now. What would you if you were do we still have him . I hate when that happens. Lets go to the potential criminality on all of this. Walk through the alleges. Were talking vandalism, false temperature, potentially, do you think an apology would be enough . I think listening to the press conference, there was translation issues going on. One of the things i picked up was that this was on an arrestable offense, which is key. That is very important. Were not investigating a homicide here. Were investigating a vandalism. And a possible cover up. There was i a handgun used. And he said he used it to control the individuals. We dont do that here in the u. S. Lochte, with a language issue, with a language barrier going on, could he have perceived it as an extortion issue . Is there enough semantics . I dont know. An apology would make it better. I think it would be a dip t diplomat diplomatic. When in roam, do as the romans do. Everyone is making a lot of issues about what the brazilians do. They were not in their own home country, they have to abide by the ore laws. Unlike what i think was happening here, they had to applied by the laws. I think what is key is that this is not an arrestable offense. I think they are trying to make it more safe. An apology will go a long way. How would you advise lochte if he was your client right now here in the states . First of all, i would probably tell everybody to take a timeout. If lochte, except for a second whatever this guy is saying in the press conference. They urinated on a door, they ripped down a poster. Someone sticks a gun in your face, you dont know that that relates to you urinating on a door. You dont know that that is connected. And that is a robbery. Row dont get to negotiate over a deal of some side and say i have a gun in your face, pay me or i will press charges. That is not just extortion, that is a robbery which is what he said happened to him. The one problem he has is he initially said they pulled over the cab. They thought it was the police, they thought it was someone else impersonating police, they can be massaged by his understanding. The brazilians could be right, he could be doing these things, and lochte didnt, in realtime, understand that the guy sticking a gun in his face had anything to do with the damages being done. They could have felt they were being robbed. Lets say lochte were your client, what advice would you give him right now . First of all, i want to know what truth is. He ought to just come clean as long as it is not horrible. That is better than the game he is playing right now. The second thing is i like the idea of the apology. That is a good move. Anything he can do right now to clean up his image is null for him. As an agent, i dont think legally it is the big issue for him right now. Okay, drew, mark, danny, nick, everyone else, what a story, this is not the end. The lead starts now. Thanks, brook. How long until this ryan lochte guy gets his own reality show . Never mind, he had one. The lead starts now. 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