Report reveals decades of his tax documents. The headline years of massive losses and tax avoidance, and remember, this is a president who ran for the highest office in the nation on his reputation and his record as a businessman, and these records show otherwise. Here are the takeaways. In ten out of 15 years, leading up to his run for office, the president reportedly paid no federal income tax in 2000, none. In both the year he won the presidency and first year in the white house, trump paid just 750, a tiny fraction of what the average american pays in federal taxes and in what could potentially create a massive conflict of interest for the president , the due date is reportedly coming up for hundreds of millions of dollars in loans, loans taken out by the president , that he personally guaranteed. The president is denying this report, although you may remember the 2016 debates, he proudly says it makes him smarter that he doesnt pay many taxes. All this is happening as we close in on the first president ial debate in this cycle. Lets begin with cnns kara scanell, who has been examining details of this story. Tell us more of the details of this, because the devil is in the details but gives a vision how aggressively the president took advantage of the tax code. Reporter yes, jim, thats right. Good morning. What we see im going to tick through a number of these items that we learned from this reporting of the New York Times examination of nearly 50 20 years of Donald Trumps taxes. He didnt pay taxes and in 2016 and 2017 he paid only 750 each year. We also learned from the New York Times the tax audit the reason why donald trump said he could not reveal his tax returns we learned more details that it involves a 72 million tax refund the president had taken one year, thats the thing that the irs is scrutinizing. Now, how did donald trump reduce his tax bill . The New York Times described he used over 300 million in losses from his golf courses to offset some 400 million in profits that he made from being on the apprentice and other licensing deals. He was also able to use consulting fees. He paid 26 million in consulting fees to lower his tax bill, including what the New York Times said an apparently 700,000 payment to his daughter ivanka trump while she was an employee of the trump organization. Now, they also reported that the president had used personal and business expenses to lower his tax bill, including 200,000 in landscaping and linens and silver at maralago as well as 70,000 that he had used on his haircuts and styling while he was on the apprentice. This comes as we know that the president s also under financial pressure. He has hundreds of millions of dollars of loans coming due in the next several years that puts him at a conflict of interest with the banks and could be forced to pressure the president while hes president if reelected into making these payments or foreclose on some of these properties. Jim . Poppy . Kara, i think the last point is so important about debts o d owed, given his position. Thanks for the reporting. Let as go to the white house. John harwood is there. Good morning, john. The president denied it quickly last night and called it fake news. I wonder what the white house is saying this morning is true about the president s tax returns. Well, the president did not engage in the specifics of the New York Times report. He issued that blanket denial as you said. He said the irs had treated him unfairly, even though of course thats the government that he leads, and he deflected by pointing to other taxes he had paid, state taxes in particular. This is consistent with the approach that alan garten, lawyer for the trump administration, took. He said in a statement over the past decade, President Trump has paid tens of millions in personal taxes to the federal government, including since announcing his candidacy in 2015. Those personal faxes could include Social Security payroll taxes. Donald trump jr. On fox this morning offered a similar message but the larger question raised as you were just discussing with kara is whether or not the president s financial difficulty compromises the performance of his office. Is his attitude towards say erdogan, the leader of turkey influenced by the fact he gets revenue from turkey . Is his approach to the coronavirus influenced by the fact that his properties are hurting and need to be opened . Is the larger issue of whether or not hes going to exceed to a peaceful transfer of power, is he putting up so much resistance because he needs the presidency to stay afloat financially . He got this question from Hillary Clinton at the debate in 2016. He said it makes me smart not to pay taxes, but that takes on a lot greater urgency after four years of a Trump Presidency and you can bet, guys that, joe biden is going to raise this on the debate stage tomorrow night. No question, there are already campaign ads about it. John harwood, thanks very much. Joining us to discuss, someone who knows how taxes work, the tax law, former irs chief counsel attorney philip hackney. Thank you for taking the time this morning. Thanks for having me today. Lets get in this in a way i can understand and folks at home conditioned. Michael cohen, trumps lawyer and fixer for more than a decade he was asked specifically on the hill how trump reduced his tax bill. I want to play that and ask a question about it. Have a listen. To your knowledge, was the president interested in reducing his local real estate bills, tax bills . Yes. And how did he do that . What do you is you deflate the value of the asset, and then you put in a request to the Tax Department for a deduction. So you deflate the value of these assets and also claim losses. Thats legal. The question is, how far you go in doing so, right, and what you use to justify that. Based on your reading of this story, what exactly did the president do here . Yes, so it is kind of funny im thinking that what cohen is suggesting there is depreciation, deflating assets. It seems that year after year, President Trump has lost at his businesses, and if youre a business person, you can do that, right . You and i, we work for a living, get paid employment income. Its very hard to offset that money, but when your lifestyle in effect becomes your business, there are more opportunities potentially, but additionally, when you actually lose money, as they suggest has happened over the years and is reflected in the tax returns as reported by the New York Times, you can actually end up showing massive losses even though you have income. It really seems odd in comparison i suspect to his lifestyle, which seems to be exhibiting quite a bit of income, and yet he ends up having these massive losses after bad investments effectively. Good morning, fill. Were glad we have you here with us this morning to set this out in laymans terms. Why are federal taxes so important . What do they fund . They fund everything, right . They fund health care, they fund Social Security. They Fund Building roads. They fund administering our system, and our army, and we all pitch in to do that. To me, its a civic duty to put money into the system to ensure we have a wellrun system, and when you find out that there are wealthy individuals, and particular, it can be pretty galling to find out they paid zero over ten years and in the first two years in 2016 when he was running and 2017, he paid this exact amount of 750, i think most people pay more for their rent per month for that than he paid in taxes that year. The average u. S. Taxpayer pays more than 12,000 a year. Soldier salaries, the Weapons Systems the president repeatedly touts, et cetera. Theres a conflict here that strikes me as a layman, not as an expert. The president seems to have inflated the value of his assets to get loans, exaggerate the worth of his businesses to get loans, but deflate them, underplay to not pay taxes and even get more than 70 million refund which might strike folks at home as remarkable, given he only paid 750 in taxes. Can you play both sides of that game legally . So its impossible for us to know exactly what hes doing in these returns, and it is quite possible thats just been a massive loser. Its also quite possible thats been borrowing other peoples money in order to get deductions that werent really entitled to him. He additionally seems to be engaging in some deductions like his haircut, he deducted 70,000 apparently for haircuts and that gets into questionable deductions, right . Haircuts are pretty quintessentially according to the tax court nondeductible expenses that can be in some cases but he does get aggressive with some of the deductions at least from what we can see. You see a real issue with the consulting fees. Can you briefly explain that . Yes. So its not necessarily, hes not dead in the water from those things, but a 20 consultancy fee, large consultancy fees year after year suggest maybe some gamesmanship going on. His father played a lot of estate tax games according to the New York Times reporting that came out about a year ago. This is a useful way to shovel money to children and theres at least a suggestion in the New York Times reporting that perhaps this is whats going on. Some of the money is suggested went to ivanka trump, over 700,000, even though she was a chief executive officer of his company, getting consultancy fees, kind of a conflict of interest going on there, but possible it flies, but it does suggest problems. That was remarkable detail on the ivanka money the way they tracked that was the exact amount that the president claimed was claimed as income on ivanka trumps tax returns to the tune as you say of many hundreds of thousands of dollars. Philip hackney, thanks for helping walk us through this. Absolutely. Thanks for having me. You can bet that this topic might be on the table tomorrow in the first president ial debate tomorrow night in cleveland on the topics as well of the coronavirus, the economy, the supreme court, but now President Trumps taxes. Take a look at this online video from the biden camp. It is slamming the president s alleged 750 tax payment for the first two years when he was running and his first year in office. Watch this. Jessica dean is in cleveland of course where the debate will take place just hours from now tomorrow night. Joe biden clearly hearing a plan to go after the president on his taxes . Reporter yes, good morning to both of you. We can certainly expect to hear about this tomorrow, poppy and jim. We saw former Vice President biden the last couple of weeks really lean in to this scranton versus park avenue messaging. He went after White Working Class voters in the upper midwest and that is something theyve continued to come back to and this new reporting about President Trumps taxes really feeds right into that message. We heard from his Deputy Campaign manager on our air last night, indicate bkate beddingfi this is about President Trump looking out for himself, that Vice President joe biden is looking out for all americans and you saw that messaging in the video online from the Biden Campaign where they really lean in to what the average american is paying in taxes, and what donald trump is paying in taxes, really creating that stark contrast again that scranton joe is looking out for the everyday american, while donald trump, the message theyre trying to get across is looking out for himself, and his friends and billionaires and millionaires with his tax cuts. Now, in a more general sense, were expected to hear about that, but also the economy and the Covid Response. That is the issues weve been hearing from the Biden Campaign time and time again across the campaign trail, poppy and jim. We know that President Trump is going to go after Vice President biden. The campaign knows that. What they want to do, jim and poppy, is really draw it back time and time again to the Covid Response and the economic crisis, the Public Health crisis and the economic crisis that the country is facing. Jess, thank you. Its a big night ahead for sure tomorrow night. Well all be watching. We appreciate you being on the ground in cleveland. We have a lot ahead. It is a busy monday. How the Trump Campaign is responding to the New York Times reporting. Also this morning the cdc director says hes worried the president is getting misinformation from his new adviser on the Coronavirus Task force. Well have more reporting on that. Plus a former Intelligence Agency director who repeatedly briefed President Trump says that the president has failed to serve the countrys National Security interests. Hes met him face to face. Hes briefed him. Its remarkable point of view, hes going to join us live. My hygienist cleans with a round head, so does my oralb. My hygienist personalizes my cleaning, so does my oralb. My hygienist uses just the right pressure, and so does my oralb. Oralb combines a dentistinspired brush head with the gentle energy of microvibrations for the wow of a professional clean feel every day. My mouth says wow and so does my oralb. There is a major story just days before a major moment in this president ial election. So how is the Trump Campaign handling the New York Times report that the president avoided paying any federal income tax for years. Lets bring in our abby phill phillip. Good morning. Lay out what youre learning more, and i think as it ties to specifically blue collar voters, and if theyre going to care about this. Yes, good morning, jim and poppy. The Trump Campaign yesterday first responded to this by simply pointing to a statement that was already in the New York Times article suggesting as the president did yesterday at the white house that he is paid federal taxes and the story is inaccurate but theyre also suggesting this is exactly what the president experienced in 2016 in that race against Hillary Clinton. The implication being that voters are already familiar with these arguments that the president paid no taxes, and that perhaps this information isnt going to change their view, but as you can see from the way that the Biden Campaign is approaching this, they certainly believed your question about blue collar voters this is something that will matter to americans especially now at a time of so much economic uncertainty. The Biden Campaign is really focusing on the idea that the president has cheated and stiffed the american public, that he is not paying his fair share, and so it really falls directly into that argument, but other than that, its been notable that the Trump Campaign has not tried to attack the substance of this article really in any way. Theyre just simply saying its old news. Theres another issue beyond the president tax aviedance over men years and that is a massive loan in the hundreds of millions of dollars, guaranteed by the president himself, set to come due in the coming years. How significant is that . I mean, there are National Security folks who note that massive Loan Obligations like that are issues for you and me or would be with security clearances. What is the answer to what this means for the president Going Forward . Yes, if you are a regular person trying to get a job in the federal government, debts like this would be a significant problem. Its not clear as the president of the United States, those rules apply to him but it certainly raises questions about some concerns that have actually followed President Trump since he was a candidate. The question is who is this money owed to and what does it say about the potential problems that this could present for him in terms of conflicts, in terms of potential blackmail, if they are owed particularly to institutions that are overseas or even governments that are overseas. We simply dont know, and the times story doesnt get into any detail on that question, but this is one of the main things that i think the president has probably tried to keep from public view, not just because of what it says about the National Security risk but also what it says about how much money he is worth. You know that this is a president who really likes to brag about how wealthy and successful he is, but with more than 400 million in debts, it really calls into question how much of that is real and how much of that is inflated for, you know, pr purposes really. There is so much there, its a long read but really important one. Abby thank you for the reporting. To the coronavirus pandemic the director of the cdc is growing increasingly worried about misleading information he says is making its way to the president from a new member of the Coronavirus Task force. Well have details on that ahead. Go go go on a real vacation. Visit go rving. Com or your nearest rv dealer. Go go go on a real vacation. Alits just more information; have a dexcom because why wouldnt you want that . Being able to see your numbers in real time gives you the knowledge to see the future. Its awesome. 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Robert redfield believes a member of the Coronavirus Task force is sharing misleading information with the president. In fact, dr. Redfield was overheard saying everything he says being that person talking about dr. Atlas is false. False, straight up false. Cnns nick valencia joins us now. Nick, what specifically was redfield talking about here . Because alarms were raised when this official was hired because his statements contradict the science and the data we have on covid. Dr. Scott atlas, a neuroradiologist, who doesnt have experience in Public Health beyond being a neuroradiologist, he is not an expertise in infectious disease. According to an nbc reporter on a flight with dr. Robert redfield, commercial flight from atlanta to washington, d. C. , dr. Redfield was overheard with a phone call with a colleague expressing his concern about atlas. We know this, jim and poppy that scott atlas spent a lot of time with the president since joining the White House Task force, hes been briefing the president and there are concerns as how hes representing the information thats getting. We did reach out to the cdc to respond to these comments that were overheard by the nbc reporter on that flight, and heres what the cdc had to say nbc news is reporting one side of a private phone conversation by cdc director dr. Robert redfield overheard on an ayn are airplane. He was having a private discussion he made publicly go covid19. Here are some of the points at the center of this concern for dr. Robert redfield. Dr. Atlas redfield believes according to a federal Health Official i spoke to confirmed the nature of this story, that dr. Atlas has misrepresented the efficacy of masks, whether younger people are susceptible to the virus and hes really pushing the idea that herd immunity could help stop the spread of the virus, something that other more notable Public Health experts have really knocked down as being something that could help, and again, you know, these concerns weve reached out to the cdc to try to get more information about the details revolving around this conversation. They just sent us that basically a nondenial statement saying that this was a onesided conversation that nbc news heard. Just quickly, jim and poppy, this comes after claims by President Trump hes grown frustrated increasingly frustrated with dr. Robert redfield. We dont know what it will mean for their relationship but another negative for dr. Redfield publicly. Thank you for the reporting. Dr. Carlos del rio, executive associate dean of Emery University of medicine. D what is the Public Health implication of not only a clear divide and disagreement within the task force but dr. Atlas has the president s ear still . Poppy, its concerning because the reality is that cdc has not been at the forefront of the response. When we think about what, who needed to guide the response that needed to be cdc and because cdc was sidelined from the very beginning after dr. Nancy mesamire gave the statement it would be bad and the president didnt like it and they sidelined cdc. The president is getting advice from dr. Fauci and dr. Birx, who are terrific and doing a good job but grown frustrated with science and wants to move on and dr. Atlas is telling him exactly what he wants to hear and i want to be really clear. We could use herd immunity but herd immunity is a recipe for disaster. There will be thousands of people sick. There will be thousands of people hospitalized and there will be thousands of people dead. So herd immunity is a nonstarter for those of us that want to protect the health and safety of americans. Listen, a lot of these things are not secret, the president very publicly has questioned the wisdom of masks. Hes publicly questioned the death toll, et cetera so these private conversations seem to reflect that the public views. I do want to ask you about young people. Were seeing for instance in the state of wisconsin a big rise in cases among those 18 to 24yearold and were seeing that elsewhere. Europe is seeing that now. It is true, as you know, dr. Del rio, that young people are less likely to die from this, no question, but tell us about the significance of young people as spreaders of this within the community. Why is that a concern . Well, there are two issues. Young people get together with older individuals, and again, they are less likely to get sick and to die, but theyre not immune from getting sick and dying. So when youre still seeing young people in their 20s and 30s critically ill and even dying from this disease is something that should be not acceptable, right . In addition to that, young people will then go and spend time with older individuals and increase the risk for those individuals. So the reality is anybody getting infected who could potentially transmit to others is bad. If, however, we are wearing masks, we are bringing, were practicing social distance, we would be able to bring infection rates down and bringing infection rates down is the only way to make sure everybody stays safe until we have a vaccine. On friday, floridas Governor Ron Desantis signed an executive order allowing all restaurants to open in person at 100 capacity. Not just talking about outside. Im talking about indoors as well. In a state like florida that has seen such an uptick, what do you think thats going to mean . I know the economic strain and thats why hes doing it, but from a health perspective, especially with so many retired folks in florida, whats that going to turn out to result in . Again, it could be potentially a recipe for disaster, and the reality, poppy, is that we dont have people made this argument that its Public Health versus the economy, and this is a false dichoto dichotomy. The enemy is the virus and the reality is if we protect and improve Public Health the economy will recover. There are ways to make sure we stay healthy and we can still open the economy. Many places have done that and have done it the right way. I think new york is doing it the right way. I think many other places are doing it the right way but just saying this is over is not going to get us over this problem. Pictures in florida, not a lot of mask wearing going on in those crowds. Dr. Carlos del rio, thank you very much. A former Intelligence Agency director who briefed the president face to face multiple times is now speaking out in public, saying that the president endangers u. S. National security. Its a remarkable public assessment and warning. Hes going to join me live next. G ways to keep moving. And at fidelity, youll get planning and advice to help you prepare for the future, without sacrificing whats most important to you today. Because with fidelity, you can feel confident that the only direction youre moving is forward. Because with fidelity, you can feel confident hey allergy muddlers. Achoo . Do your sneezes turn heads . Try zyrtec. It starts working hard at hour one. And works twice as hard when you take it again the next day. Zyrtec muddle no more. Welcome back. Tom ridge the first secretary of Homeland Security and former republican governor of the state of pennsylvania has endorsed joe biden for president , coming days after nearly 500 retired military officials, ambassadors and National Security figures announced their support for biden as well and my next guest is sounding the alarm about this presiden president , too, i have briefed the president up close and seen and felt the affect of his faults on our nations security. The person you see presiding over covid19 press conferences is the same one in the privacy of his office. He has little patience for facts or data that do not comport with his personal world view. Joining me is robert cardillo, former directof of the National GeospaceIntelligence Agency, that use satellite data to identify the compound where Osama Bin Laden was hiding. Thanks for taking the time. Good morning, jim. You served and i want to note this for our viewers, six president s, four republican and two democratic. You write the following, our current president basis his decisions on his instincts and his instincts are based on a personal value proposition. Whats in it for me. To be clear for our viewers here, do you believe this president , in your personal experience of him, places his own interests over u. S. National security . Well, jim, its hard for mee out. All i can talk to is what i see and reflected in his policies and again as an intelligence professional, we often confront policymakers who come into a situation or an issue with a bias or their own experience, of course, but then they take on new information, and they use that to either challenge or adjust their thinking. This president has a way to deflect new information, even Scientific Data in a way that allows him to be more comfortable, and to sustain as i said that internal view and to think about what the best outcome is for himself. You have personally briefed the president on classified information, multiple times. You say as well that trump puts more weight, im quoting you here, on the word of dictators, like Vladimir Putin, than the u. S. Intelligence community. Why is that, in your experience . Does he believe them over the analysis of u. S. Intelligence agencies . I actually hope thats not true. What i believe in the case of putin and the issues with respect to russian interference in our election, what he doesnt want to believe and chooses not to believe is the fact that russia did interfere in our election in 2016 and that its intent was to get him elected. Because he feels that delegitimizes his presidency, he will deflect anything that conflicts with that view. When Vladimir Putin says i didnt do it, that fits, and thus he would align with that vice with the Intelligence Communitys assessment. So that explanation works i suppose for russian interference in the election, if thats purely the reason there, his sensitivity to delegitimizing his win but how do you explain why the president , given repeated opportunities, will take the simple step of condemning russia for poisoning the main Opposition Leader a couple of weeks ago or would not condemn russia for selling arms to the taliban to kill u. S. Forces in afghanistan or pay bounties on u. S. Forces in afghanistan and the president repeatedly refuses to call out those acts of aggression by russia against the u. S. Do you have any explanation for why he refuses to do so for all those issues . Jim, youre right. Those are more complicated and those are a little harder to understand and to fit into, if there is a rhyme or reason to his thinking. All i could offer is that, again, he avoids the conflict that he doesnt want to deal with, and so again, i wasnt there, dont know what he was presented with respect to the allegations of the bounties, but eventually that information got to him, and remember where he took that. It was all about, you know, i wasnt told or i wasnt informed. It was all in the past tense versus okay, but you now know what are you going to do about it. And for him, thats a conflict hed rather avoid that, because it, again, doesnt comport with the centrality of his view and it makes him uncomfortable. Again, im projecting but thats my assessment. Does that invite further russian aggression when theyre not called out by the u. S. Commander in chief . To does that give them from their perspective a green light . Look, weve been at odds as a nation with russia for generations. Russia will, because of those, that opposition, will always seek to find ways to undermine and destabilize and to confuse the entirety of our political body. In this case, jim, i have to agree with you. I think the president s actions do, in fact, feed that russian objective. Im not saying thats his purpose but im saying thats the effect thats had and ill just add when he questions the validity of our own elections, i couldnt imagine a group in the planet being happier about that than the kremlin. Let me ask you if i can about finances here. You of course are aware of the new reporting from the New York Times about the president s taxes. Set that aside for a moment but also reporting in there that he owes 300 million thats coming due in the next two years. I just want to ask you from an intelligence perspective, would a debt this large create potential compromises for the president . The simplest terms, if you or i had debt equal to or perhaps above our assets, i imagine that would compromise our ability to get a security clearance. How does the Intelligence Community view that kind of debt in terms of a Security Risk . The general principle with respect to protecting classified information, maintaining integrity is to minimize vulnerabilities, of any sort, because a vulnerability could be exploited by an adversary. Youre describing a potential vulnerability, debt. Two things. One, if we were within the Intelligence Community and somebody was coming up for a clearance review and had an outsized amount of debt, that would raise some questions. Doesnt mean they couldnt be answered, but questions. If we as an Intelligence Community were assessing a foreign leader, and trying to understand his or her stability, and knew of outsized debts, you know, to a foreign or even to a national entity, we would see that as a risk. So again, i dont have any particular insight into the president s accounting, but youre right. Those debts could be a vulnerability. Robert cardillo, thanks for your decades of service to the country and thanks for taking the time to join us this morning. Thanks, jim. There are growing calls for Coronavirus Vaccine trials in children. This is as of course a new school year brings a jump in cases among kids. Were going to talk to one of the doctors who is leading that call. Hell be with us next. Thewith type 1 diabetes,osed you should have a dexcom. Knowing where your numbers are going before they get there its a superpower. Ive had other systems and im on because its the best. And, because it works. Its easy to wear. Its easy to put on. You can see it right on your i cant imagine anything simpler. No fingersticks. I cant say that enough. I think thats an incredible advancemen this is the Cgm Technology youve been waiting for. Welcome back. So if youre a parent, youre probably a few weeks into the school year with your children, whether theyre at home or physically at school. There is a new tlstz a new report that shows 75,000 cases of covid among children between september 3rd and 17th. Thats up 15 and since the start of the pandemic 587 children have been infected and now as adult vaccine trials move at warp speed, a group of pediatricians is calling for a vaccine trials for children to begin with us now is one of the doctors leading that call. A pediatric disease specialist at vanderbilt. I can think of no better voice on this, and youre a parent and i am and so is jim so we have a lot of questions on this. Thanks for being here this morning. Thanks for having me. Help me understand why we should start trials of this vaccine in children now when the adult trials arent done yet. Well, its really important to leverage how quickly we have been able to move into this final stage of testing for some of these adult vaccines and it may get confusing if we have good Vaccines Available for front line workers and those at highest risk but we dont take advantage of this in those that may benefit the most and right now we can all agree that kids want to be in school and grandparents want to see their grandchildren. This is one of the ways where we can ensure a safety net around those that are the most vulnerable. Would you put your child in one right now when the trials arent even over. Well, i think Clinical Trials are built on trust and i can say that back in 2009 when we had the pandemic of flu, my children indeed participated in the trials of new pandemic flu vaccines. In part we did it because we had so much confidence in the data that go into the studies. And nows the time that we can take advantage of the data in the adults that can be vaccinated and once we have the data in hand and know the safety of the vaccines and a good sense hoff howe well they work, that a time that we can begin improving it in teenagers and then working ourselves down from the oldest children to the youngest ones. You make a good point. Youre talking about 13, 14 through 18. I have a 2 and 4yearold so my mind is there and im thinking about that age group, does this mean, if there is there is a lag until, you know, its going to be tested on toddlers for example, does that mean that its going to be 4, 6, 8 months after adults can start getting a vaccine that children can because the time line will get that much further pushed out. I think thats the time line that we are worried about. Were worried that were not going to take advantage of this time that we could be evaluating the vaccine and particularly teenagers and even older school aged children. And therefore have natural immunity. If we can get enough people in that category that we can slow this pandemic and potentially end it. I think kids are going to be a major part of that. They were just in may. They get their mmr vaccines because theyre scared. I think so and some of that is the misconception that i dont want to go to the physician or the Nurse Practitioner because im going to get exposed to covid and i think our practices have done a really good job of protecting, right . Of creating barriers of being able to make sick and well waiting rooms. We have been doing this in pediatrics for decades where we separate the kids in a way that we prevent the spread in the office. Now is the time to double down the need for routine Child Health Care but also vaccination. I think im very worried going into this years flu season that fewer and fewer kids are going to be vaccinated and thats going to have consequences. I think that youre so right. My kids already have flu shots. I took them to get their mmr boosters. Take your kids to get all of their vaccines, right now. Listen to the doctors like you. Thank you, doctor. Thank you so much. All right. Well be right back. This is our chance to put the darkness of the past four years behind us. To end the anger, the insults, the division. And start fresh in america. I dont pledge allegiance to red states of america or blue states of america. I pledge allegiance to the United States of america. Im gonna fight as hard for those who supported me as those who did not support me. We have a chance to put anger and division that has overtaken this country behind us. And we can. Weve done it so many times in our history. We begun anew. We can get control of this virus. We can reward work. We can make healthcare affordable. We can be a safe and just nation. We can deal with the existential threat of climate change. We can be what we are at our best. One nation, one people, one america. Im joe biden and i approve this message. Top of the hour, good morning, everyone. It may be this is why the president has fought so long to keep americans from seeing his personal tax returns. The New York Times report laying out years of documents. The president according to the New York Times paid zero in federal income taxes. Zero. And then in 2016, so the year he was elected and then the first year of his presidency, 2017, he paid