And on american production. There is no other donald trump. What you see is what you get. He is still the same donald trump who makes his shirts and his ties overseas instead of in the United States. Theres a whole lot to get to tonight, and well get to all of it. I wanted to begin, though, with senior White House Correspondent mr. Jim acosta. Good evening to you, jim. Today was supposed to be a day when donald trump was getting back on message talking about the economy, but instead hes got more incoming fire from republicans who think his Foreign Policy is dangerous. What else can you tell us . Reporter thats right. This was a day when donald trump was supposed to make that pivot and try to get back to general Election Campaign issues like the economy. You know, he was interrupted 14 times at that economic speech today, don, and donald trump did not let loose and go after those protesters. And then at 3 00 this afternoon this bomb was dropped by 50someodd former National Security officials dating back to the nixon administration, all working in republican administrations. Former secretaries of homeland securi security, former director of the cia, former director of National Intelligence, all saying donald trump is unfit to be president of the United States. Donald trump fired back in his typical fashion and wrote these officials off as being holdovers from the Bush Administration who are simply just trying to line their pockets in d. C. And got the country in trouble in the first place by leading the nation into the war in iraq. The Trump Campaign also put out a statement from Lieutenant General michael flynn, one of their top National Security officials with the campaign, who is basically saying the same thing. But don, i think the Biggest Development of this day just happened within the last hour, and that is the republican senator from maine Susan Collins announcing in this oped in the Washington Post that she cannot support donald trump. She laid out three different reasons, going back to trumps apparent mocking of that disabled reporter, his criticism of the mexicanamerican judge curiel and this recent confrontation with the khan family. And the question becomes, don, just how much of this can donald trump take . It seems to be one republican after another coming out and saying he is not fit to be president of the United States. You wonder who else is going to come out. But you know, jim, he did reveal his economic plan earlier. Thats right. So lets get to that. Did he get specific about it . He did. And there were more specifics in this speech than i think a lot of people realized, which is why this has been such a difficult end of the day for donald trump. Lets put some of this up on screen. Because what he laid out is i think a proposal, a plan that would be attractive to a lot of republicans out there. New tax brackets that are lower for all americans. Moratorium on new regulation, a repeal of the estate tax, something republicans cheer every four years, it doesnt happen but they want it every four years. Heres where donald trump disagrees with a lot of republicans. He wants to withdraw from the transpacific trade deal. He wants to crack down on china. A lot of republicans think that will start a trade war. Then donald trump also wants to restart the Keystone Oil Pipeline process, get that going all over again. That is what is such a, you know, a big disappointment i think for the Trump Campaign today. They try to get back on track. They try to gain some traction with this economic plan and it just sort of got overwhelmed by this news of all of these republicans coming out and saying hes unfit to be president. Lets talk about, you know, donald trump loved to, at least he did, talk about the polls. What are the latest polls showing . Reporter this Monmouth University poll, don, i think is pretty striking. Hillary clinton was leading by just a couple Percentage Points when this was taken about three weeks ago. Now shes 13 points ahead of donald trump in the exact same poll. The breakout number, don, that is most striking to me, only 27 of americans according to this poll believe that donald trump has the temperament to be president of the United States. The numbers are basically upside down for Hillary Clinton. It all goes back to this issue that was raised by these National Security officials earlier today and in part by Susan Collins late this evening with this opped. Does donald trump have the temperament to be president of the United States . This latest poll says no. These National SecurityOfficials Say no. Susan collins is saying no. And the question becomes how does donald trump deal with this over these next few days . He has a whole slew of events down across the southeast, and well be listening to see if donald trump has anything to say about all of this. But it is becoming sort of a Snowball Effect for his campaign and the question is, can he hold back the snowball . All right. Well, we shall see without it melting. Thank you, jim. I appreciate that. Lets bring in now, i want to bring in roger zakheim, a former Deputy Assistant secretary of defense who is a visiting fellow at the American Enterprise institute and also his father doug zackheim is a former undersecretary of defense who is a Senior Adviser at the center for strategic and international studies. Gentlemen, im glad to have you here this evening. Thank you for joining us. Roger, going to start with you. Father and son, you both say along with 48 other gop National Security experts that donald trump is not qualified to be the commander in chief. Who came to this conclusion first . Was it you or your father . Well, you know, the wisdom comes from the old man. I actually cant recall who came up with it first, but it seemed that we arrived the same conclusion early on in this race. So how did you do that . Before you answer that, let me put this up, because this is what heres what you guys say about trump. You said he is unable or unwilling to separate truth from falsehood. He does not encourage conflicting views. He lacks selfcontrol and acts impetuously. He cannot tolerate personal criticism. He has alarmed our closest allies with his erratic behavior. All of these are dangerous qualities in an individual who aspires to be president and commander in chief with command of the u. S. Nuclear arsenal. The same question. What worries you most about a Trump Presidency . That would be how you came up with it. Yeah. For me well, its my biggest concern is judgment and character. Thats the one that stands out most beyond any other policy. Dov . I think thats absolutely right. The problem is that his behavior essentially encompasses all these subject matter and all the substantive issues. The real problem is look at the way he behaved today. Look at his reaction. He blamed republicans for benghazi, for gods sake. By the way, he didnt mention russia at all. And thats a giveaway, too. He blamed republicans for isis. He doesnt have any kind of selfcontrol. I worked very, very closely with george w. Bush both before he was president , when he was running for president , and when he was president. What a contrast. And it just seems to me that a man who cannot control himself cannot possibly control policy in any kind of rational way, and that goes to every specific item whether its nato, whether its the korea and japan, whether its china. The fundamental problem isnt the policy. The fundamental problem is the person. So, dov, its not his knowledge or lack of knowledge about Foreign Affairs or about any other Foreign Policy. Its his temperament, its his behavior. You think hes erratic. Is that what youre saying . Yes, hes erratic. He overreacts. And thats compounded, of course, by his utter ignorance. The man seems to have had no idea that russia invaded ukraine. Thats remarkable. So its not he doesnt seem to be interested in detail. He doesnt seem to want to learn. He doesnt seem to want to listen. And on top of it, youve got the character problem. It all meshes together in a frightening mix. So, roger, let me ask you this because you guys arent alone. Just tonight Susan Collins of maine, she has an oped in the Washington Post and she says that trump lacks the temperament. She says trumps lack of discipline and judgment required to be president. Another prominent republican deflection here. The question is why so many now, you think, and not earlier in the campaign or even before the convention . Well, i think donald trump continues to raise the bar in exceeding our lowest expectations for him. Hes done a whole lot along the way. But i think taking on a gold star father and a gold star mother probably was the low water mark of his campaign, particularly for those who focus on service, who focus on the men and women in uniform, would focus on National Security. This is not the way a commander in chief is able or should act. I want to ask both of you this. I guess roger, since youre talking, im going to read this. This is how his campaign reacted in a letter today. It says the names on this letter are the ones the American People should look to for the answers on why the world is a mess. We thank them for coming forward so everyone in the country knows who deserves the blame for making the world such a dangerous place. They are nothing more than the failed washington elite looking to hold onto their power and its time they are held accountable for their actions. Roger, you say trump is dangerous. Trump says its you guys who made the world a dangerous place. He points to the invasion of iraq as an example. Whats your reaction . Well, i say its typical trump. As for me, i served at the tail end of the Bush Administration. I spent the past eight years or so cutting my teeth in the u. S. Congress, countering president obamas National Security policy. As far as im concerned, the state of the u. S. National security today and the challenge we face are a function of the current occupant of the presidency. It has nothing to do with the gentlemen who signed on on this letter. So, once again, i think trump is wrong with the facts. Overreacts. And actually misleads here. Yeah. Same question, but ill ask you, let me just add this, too, because a lot of people, dov, who sign this letter worked for the Bush Administration. You heard your son say he worked for the end of the Bush Administration. Trump supporters say this is just sour grapes from the career establishment republicans. Whats your reaction . No, its not at all. I mean, i worked at the beginning of the Bush Administration. I came in with governor bush who became president bush. And the fact of the matter is that when we left iraq, for example, there was no isis. We had troops there. The place was quieter than it had been for years. We had actually won that war. And so the argument that we left the place a mess, as if the last eight years didnt exist, is just mindboggling, but its a reflection of trumps ignorance, his overreactions. I mean, lets face it, do you honestly think that the signers of this letter would be serving in a Hillary Clinton administration . Last time i checked, they were all republicans. So its not sour grapes at all. Its fear for the country. We fear for this country if that man gets into the white house. Its as simple as that. So if it came down to her or him, if you had to make a decision, could you make one . Well, right now im not committing to secretary clinton at all. Frankly, a lot of her policies are not my policies, not what i advocate. Its a very, very difficult situation for somebody like myself. I know ill vote all the way down the ticket for republicans. What ill do at the top of the ticket, i honestly dont know, but i cannot vote for mr. Trump. That i can guarantee. Roger, same question for you. I wont vote for donald trump and i wont vote for Hillary Clinton. To me its a choice between bad and worse. And im not forced to make either of those choices. Its august now. We have until november. Im hopeful well have another choice in the weeks or months ahead. Thank you, roger, thank you, dov. I appreciate it. Thank you. Joining me now, a former Trump Campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, whos still receiving severance from the Trump Campaign and is a cnn political commentator. Thank you very much for joining us. You heard their reaction. Whats your response . Look, heres what i think. I think you have individuals who have never taken the time or the effort to sit down and listen to mr. Trump or learn more about his policy positions. Because if you look at the individuals on his Foreign Policy team who he has sat with, whether its admiral kubic, general flynn, whether its jeff sessions, theyre all unified in their support for donald trump and understand he will be the best commander in chief, the best president of the decisions we have in front of us. Those are the individuals, general flynn was head of the d. I. A. , Lieutenant General. You look at admiral cubic who served our nation for 32 years honorably. They understand because theyve sat with donald trump. They had the opportunity to talk to him and you dont see any of those people on the letter. The people he sits with and understands what hes doing are absolutely in favor. These people have never met him. They have a media perception which is not reality. I want to talk to you about the 50 people. These are 50 people. These arent, you know, just people who, you know, johnny come lately to the game. These are very established and very wellrespected people. But they point specifically to they dont think he has knowledge of Foreign Affairs at all. Specifically to his behavior, that hes erratic, that he cant control himself. That has nothing to do with the people you just named who are advisers. This is him personally. Whats your response to that . Heres my response. If you look at some of the people who signed this letter, theyve been very public. They were supporting other candidates. Most of them were supporting jeb bush originally in this process. Then after jeb bush was destroyed in the election they went to marco rubio. Then after marco rubio they went to john kasich. And they have been right down the line anything they can do to make sure they stay in power in the next administration and have not been part of the trum administration. They will not be part of the trump administration. That scares them. What they want to do is maintain their hold in washington, d. C. Many of the people, youve heard dov talk about this, was there and was clearly a Decision Maker to get us into the iraq war. When you look back on it, we spent 6 trillion. And that was under the Bush Administration. I think what the campaign would say is that was a mistake going into it. Its a mistake staying there. And weve lost thousands of lives and 6 trillion for what is the question. No one who holds Public Office is perfect, no one who holds prominent positions as experts in Foreign Affairs, as security or defense experts, no one is perfect. A lot of these people helped to keep us safe before 9 11 and after 9 11. And if you look at michael hayden, former director both of the cia and the National Security agency, tom ridge, michael chertoff, two former secretaries of homeland security. John negroponte served as first director of National Intelligence and deputy secretary of state. On and on. William taft former deputy secretary of defense and ambassador to nato. Now, none of the people, none of the secretaries of state are republican administrations for the past administrations. Henry kissinger, george schultz, james baker, colin powell, condoleezza rice. They didnt join in condemning trump. But neither has endorsed his candidacy as well. Again, this doesnt concern you when you have so many prominent, wellrespected people coming out and saying this guy is not fit, there is no credence to anything that theyre saying . What concerns me is the fact that theres no credence to anything . No, no, heres what concerns me with these people. If they choose not to support donald trump that is an implicit endorsement of Hillary Clinton the person who is directly responsible whether its legal or not for the benghazi disaster. Two families are suing Hillary Clinton now because their loved ones were killed in benghazi. Theres accountability that has to happen. If you dont want to support donald trump thats okay, thats your prerogative in the ballot booth but at the end day of the if you dont support him you are supporting Hillary Clinton. If they think she will do a better job with our National Security interest i do question theres no credence to anything they say . No, i question their motives. Not their i question their motives. Do they want to maintain power . Because many of those people including governor ridge and others have supported, publicly supported other candidates in this race and when they lost they are now looking for another way to stay in relevancy. And thats just not happening in a trump administration. 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Yeah, i think it will, but you know, look, obviously the letter isnt great news for them. I think today was a pretty good day for donald trump. He gave this economic speech. About half of it i would say is sort of orthodox reagan era republican tax cuts. The other half i would say is populist, protectionist, antiglobalist trade politics which i think plays well with a lot of workingclass americans out there. But the most important thing he did was stay on script. He actually read from the teleprompter and he didnt take the bait when the protesters tried to get him off message. And i think thats the key. If he could do this for the next three months, i think he has a shot at winning. When jim acosta mentioned he did not let the protesters bait him, i saw Corey Lewandowski smiling like, great, finally, he didnt do it. Corey, ive got to ask you this question, matt is saying he had a good day today. This didnt make it any better i would say because Susan Collins, one of the first gop senators to come out, said shes not going to vote for trump. Heres what she said. Specifically mocking a reporter with disabilities, attacking judge curiel for his mexican heritage and disparaging a gold star family. Can you understand why that disqualifies him in her eyes and frankly many others . I think first and foremost what you have to remember is that Susan Collins represents a state which is probably not going to be supporting a republican president ial nominee anyway in the state of maine. They have not supported a republican president ial candidate up there in at least 20 years. This isnt actually something shes very concerned about. If you look at states like New Hampshire where kelly ayotte is in a much more competitive state, that would be much more concerning to me candidly. If you look at states where donald trump is much more competitive in states like virginia and florida and places like that, i think i would be much more concerned, i would be much more concerned if i was the campaign if i saw u. S. Senators in battleground states that im competing heavily in and walking away from my campaign. Sue collins is not one right now jeff flake. Jeff flake hasnt walked away. Hes talked about some things. Hes concerned. He hasnt walked away from the campaign to be fair. Sue collins is not someone that does play into the issue with women and now a problem with another conservative woman. Yes. And i think that is the point and thats where the Trump Campaign really needs to be concerned. Right now trump is losing College Educated white women. Mitt romney won College Educated white women by 14 points and he still lost the election. So if you take College Educated white women off the table, you take africanamericans off the table, take latinos off the table, you take young people off the table, you are looking at a nonexistent pathway to 270 electoral votes for donald trump. Mitt romney did not win africanamericans, lets be very clear about that. He got less than 5 of the africanamerican vote. To also be very clear in a fourway race, donald trump is polling less than both the Green Party Candidate and gary johnson. Thats pretty troublesome if youre a republican. I dont think its fair to say youre comparing the africanamerican vote that mitt romney received to what donald trump may receive. Are you saying donald trump is not going to win . Because you need minority votes. Im not saying that at all. What im saying is you cannot compare what mitt romney received for the africanamerican vote which was less than 5 against barack obama to what donald trump is going to get. If you look at the polls in south carolina, that poll, africanamericans, donald trump is winning. Wasnt he polling at zero . Doesnt that make the point, if you need that demographic to wane youre losing them so badly, hes not helping himself by not appealing to that hes winning much better than mitt romney won them, thats what im saying. Thats not the if you look at the working class white male, donald trump is overly winning that compared to no question. Thats right. But there arent enough of them. You need minorities to i think that i think that what corey is outlining is very true and what the campaign focused on in the primary. But its not how you win a general election anymore. In Barack Obamas america, 2008 and forward, the way you get to the Obama Coalition is not through white men. With all due respect, corey, there are simply not enough of you all to elect donald trump president of the United States. You have to build a coalition, and this Coalition Goes through collegeeducated white women, hispanics, especially hispanics, and thats where donald trump is coming up short in states like arizona, colorado, nevada, and florida. And thats why you have people like jeff flake really concerned because arizona who traditionally goes republican, hes saying this could be a completely different ball game because of the Hispanic Community over there. And they are registering not just registering at historic levels, immigrants who never thought twice about becoming citizens are now becoming citizens at a high rate because they want to vote against donald trump. Matt is here. Matts here. Matt, do you want in on this . Look, heres the deal. Donald trump comes out of the convention down double digits. Had a horrible last several weeks. But the fact remains seven out of ten americans are unhappy with the direction of this country. The fact remains Hillary Clinton is a very unlikable, bad candidate. And, you know, i donald trump is a change agent. Hillary clinton is the status quo. And for those reasons, donald trump could still win this race. But what he has to do is be disciplined. He cant attack, you know, gold star families, lets say, going forward. He has to do what he did today. If he can do what he did today, read that teleprompter, stay on message, he still has a shot okay. Because of that environment. Lets talk about staying on message because donald trump tweeted this out, tweeted this out tonight, many people are saying the iranians killed a scientist who helped the u. S. Because of Hillary Clintons hacked email. First thing, corey, this is wrong. Two emails discussing this case were both in a batch turned over by the state department as part of the investigation, not as hacking. Secondly, our very own colleague, josh rogen, a cnn contributor, who is very familiar with both the content of the emails in the case of this iranian scientist wrote this in the Washington Post, there is no reasonable connection between the discussion of amiris case on email by clinton staff to amiris eventual execution. Theres no evidence her server was hacked. The iranians knew about amiri well before the emails were released publicly. His fate was sealed long before his sentence was carried out. So again, you have all these National Security experts talking about how hes referring to that hes reckless, right . You have matt saying he needs to stay on message and not appear reckless. Yet he tweets this out. Isnt this an example of what he should not be doing . What you have, its a narrative the media wants to perpetuate which is he had a good day today making a speech wait, wait, hold on, this isnt about the media. When he tweets something out thats patently false about blaming Hillary Clinton for someones death look, if this is what hes hearing and this is what hes reporting its going to be a bigger whoa, whoa, shouldnt the truth matter and not just what donald trump hold on, is everything on twitter the truth . Is that what were saying . Hes running for president of the United States. He shouldnt be a twitter troll. He also responded he also tweeted out to say Hillary Clinton promised 200,000 jobs to the state of new york of which never came to true igs. No one is talking about that. At least that had some, like, research. Im trying to help you out here because i think what donald trump does based on an article, actually. I think what corey and donald trump have been doing in that campaign up until this point is actually somewhat genius because what they do is i agree with him. They throw out these falsehoods, right . And live in world thats fact free. And then its the medias job, our job to come up and untangle those. And its very hard to persuade somebody what they feel to be fact to be untrue. Now, is it highly irresponsible . Yes. Donald trumps not trying to be responsible. Were going to talk about that in the broadcast. Because the old adage if you Say Something enough, even if you repeat a lie enough people believe it. Actually, if you put a fact check in there, many times it reinforces the lie and people still believe the lie is true. Especially for his supporters. Heres what i think is happening. That worked beautifully for the republican primary. Correct. The fact of the matter is this is a very different electorate. People are skeptical, thank goodness. Donald trump actually believes that American Voters are imbeciles. I love to remember my favorite judge, judge judy, who says dont pee on my leg and tell me its raining. Right now Trump Supporters are drenched shes talking to you, corey. Ive got to get to a break. 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Election day only three months away. Tonight Hillary Clintons campaign saying that she is accepting the invitation to three upcoming president ial debates. Back with me, Corey Lewandowski, bakari sellers, Maria Cardona and matt lewis. Okay. Corey, this is a memo from the Trump Campaign. It was dated january 14th, 2016, released over the weekend. And it says in part, it says in the media and in certain social circles our lowp supporters have been called stupid, racist and bigots. The elites look down on them. And there is evidence they deny support for our candidate because they fear being ostracized. Thats why the engagement scripts for lowp must all open with a warm and friendly disclosure. Im a volunteer for mr. Trumps campaign for president. This lets them know theyre in a safe space. Then we follow with encouraging invitation, wed like you to join us to help america help us make America Great again. Can we count on your vote in the upcoming primary . So lowp is low participation, right . People who are unlikely to vote, they dont usually participate in the political process. So you were in the Trump Campaign during the primary. Your name is on this memo. So explain whats behind this. What exactly and who exactly was the campaign targeting . What you have is an internal document which talks about the people who have not traditionally participated in the republican primary process. Low propensity voters. Those vote who have might have voted in one of four primaries, two of four primaries. Traditionally what the methodology would be, if youre running in a republican primary or any primary, you go after the voters youre very sure are going to turn out on election day. The model for the Trump Campaign was a little different because we believe there was a disenfranchised group of people who are unhappy with the way washington is. Were not happy with the choice of the republican nominees that were put forward and we thought the people who had been disenfranchised or not participated in the election process over a series of primaries in the past would be good targets to make sure they knew donald trump was running and would be changing the system. Thats the purpose of that. Lets talk about this memo, matt. I want you to get in on this. It says trump volunteers need to create a safe space for people who had previously been called stupid, racist, bigots. The criticism here is this is dog whistle politics. Do you think it is . In some cases. First, strategically, i think corey this is a very smart idea because you have 16 other republican candidates who were going after very likely voters. Trump basically had these low propensity voters to himself. Very shrewd and counterintuitive. Who are these people, right . I would say that a lot of them are just good godfearing salt of the earth workingclass white americans who feel that the American Dream has passed them by. Theyre never going to vote for a guy like mitt romney who just sort of screams rich elitist. I think some of them are, you know, very good people who just frankly have been left behind by the system. But theres no doubt that some of them, weve talked about this on this show, don, that the right folks, that some of these people actually are racist and some of them are hearing dog whistles of some unseemly things that i dont think have any place in american politics. Go. I actually dont think this was a dog whistle because this was not a public document. And to matts point, i agree, i actually think its very smart for you to be able to talk to your voters like that. Heres the problem. Because a lot of these voters, and i agree that not all of them are racists or bigots by any means but then you have the people that matt mentioned and an article in the Washington Post that talks about a nazi leader that talks about a white supremacist leader and david duke of the kkk talking about how great trump is for their wanting to mainstream the prowhite movement. That, i think, is what really gives rise to this notion that the Trump Campaign is using dog whistle politics for all of those people who are racist and are bigots and now coming out of the woodwork by saying trump is your candidate, you can be safe with donald trump. That i think should be a concern for the Trump Campaign. Thats not what happened at all with this memo. We looked at individuals who had voted in one of four primaries and said lets go after those individuals. This is the opposite of the bradley effect which as you remember, when he was running, many people said im going to be supporting bradley for the mayor of san francisco, i believe it was, his poll numbers were actually artificial because people wanted to be part of that. What we saw with the Trump Campaign was many people didnt want to admit publicly when it came to polls that they were supporting the Trump Campaign even though they were. What you saw on primaries after primaries, caucus after caucus, donald trump outperformed what the polling expectations were. People for whatever reason had not wanted to tell the public pollsters theyre going to be supporting donald trump. Our goal, our target, was to look at individuals who had been disenfranchised. And hadnt participated. And they turned out in record numbers but it didnt show actually this analysis by the five thirty eight blog found that trump voters in the primary were a share of regular republican elect rats. It wasnt even clear that the strategy even that strategy even worked. You know why it worked . We won 14 million votes and donald trump is the nominee today thats a whole other show for people not wanting to admit they support donald trump, i dont understand why. But go ahead. Ill give you the last word. I said this before, it bears repeating again, donald trump is not a racist by any stretch. But what we saw in this memo and what has played out is that donald trump utilized tactics such as racism. He played on the way that people normally talk around their kitchen table. Whether or not its the way he talks about voters of color or whether or not he was talking with jake tapper. He refused to disavow david duke because all of a sudden he didnt know who he was. Thats what creates this climate today. But it also puts you at a disadvantage going into a general election. Got to run. 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Want to break it down now with neil barske, founder and chairman of the Marshall Project and bob cusack is editor and chief of the hill. Between 1985 and 1991, you covered trump for the daily news and for the wall street journal. You recently recall those experiences in the New York Times article, its called trump the bad, bad businessman. And one thing you talked about was the trump myth. Can you elaborate on that . I think during the period i covered trump, which was really his rise and fall, from the business perspective he was very similar as he is today. He was the best salesman i think the world may have ever known. Today hes convinced the voters he might make a good president. Then he convinced bankers and bondholders and ultimately stockholders he was a great businessman and they eventually lent him billions of dollars and almost invariably lived to regret it. So you think he was a better seller than he was a businessman . 100 . His casinos didnt operate any better than anybody elses. His buildings didnt operate better than anybody elses. But he was able to convince the Financial Community for a long period of time that by putting the trump name on a building it had more value. Yet in 1990, 91 when the economy tightened and it was revealed he had 800 million in personally guaranteed loans, the banks took a bath, trump lost properties and i did a piece in the New York Times this weekend about this. Ive heard from so many bankers from that period who i knew 20, 25 years ago who share my incredulity if you will that donald trump might be president after what he went through and what he put the banks through and the bond holders through and the stockholders through. Your term, pretending to be a better businessman than he actually is. Well, i wouldnt i think he did what businesspeople do. He projected an image. It was the banks foolish enough to lend him the money. I dont put it all on donald. You said you noticed two things about him. Real estate successes were very small compared to more successful developers who got less publicity and that he lied a lot, you said. Why did he get more publicity than successful developers . What kinds of things did he lie about . Why does he get more publicity now . He is a charismatic figure. Hes not shy. He would return your call. He would he would be buddy buddy with people. He would he had a fair amount of fame very early in his life. So i dont really he made great copy. And he put his name on every building he could. So he created a perception very early after he built one or two buildings in new york. This is a city of hundreds of hundreds of buildings. That he was a mega developer. In some cases myth becomes reality. In this case the music stopped in 90, 91 and many people had to pay. People have pointed out some of the things neil has been pointing out yet trump has built a big brand, is considered to be a very successful businessman by the public. Why is it all steak i should say and really no sizzle here . Definitely there have been those stories out there. I agree with neil. Listen, donald trump is a great marketer. And thats part of being a businessman. Overall, he does have buildings that have his name on it and politics is a lot about perception and, yes, hes not paid people. Hes paid them late. Hes had bankruptcies. But overall, the perception of donald trump, and hes gone a long way in making that perception, is that he is a very rich guy. And we dont know exactly how rich he is, but hes very rich. And thats the whole basically tenet of his campaign, is that he can run a business and he can run the country better than politicians are running it. So there have been doubts, but i dont think its a very effective strategy for the Clinton Campaign to repeatedly go after his Business Record like the Obama Campaign went after mitt romneys because trump is basically he boasts about it. Mitt romney almost didnt want to talk about his wealth. And i think its very transparent and open even though he hasnt released his tax returns. But that trump basically boasts about how wealthy he is. Why are you shaking your head . We elect president s hopefully based on their track record, whether it be in politics, the military, or in trump case his Business Record. And the very premise of trump running in the first place was that hes a multibillionaire. A cousin of mine whos going to vote for trump said everything he touches turns to gold. So this perception i do think is critical to the narrative of donald trump. When you were shaking your head, were you saying you dont believe hes as rich as he says he is . Hes definitely not as rich as he says he is. Theres not a human alive who believes hes do you know i dont know. If i saw his taxes, if i saw his balance sheet, if i saw his financial statements, if i saw what i could see with mitt romney or Hillary Clinton or any candidate, i could know. I dont know. I want to play a few sound bites from donald trump in detroit today discussing his economic plan. First hes quoting a february 2016 New York Post article praising him for what he did for new york city. Listen. This is a direct quote. Basically donald trump waded into a landscape of empty 5th avenue storefronts. The dust bowl mugging ground that was central park, so dangerous. Almost by sheer force of will, he rode to the rescue, expressing rare faith in the future, he was instrumental in kickstarting the regeneration of neighborhoods. So, neil, there were many Prominent Developers in new york in the 1980s alongside trump. Did he rescue new york city . He absolutely didnt rescue new york city. I would say he was one of the early builders of new york in the late 70s when it came out. Trump is not completely bereft of a track record. Its just the one word i would use is exaggeration and hyperbole. Which saw right in that last clip. And that characterizes virtually everything about him. And thats part of his narrative and thats part of his myth. Neil barske, bob cusack, thank you very much. Coming up, there are attacks on policy and attacks on experience, but are donald trump and Hillary Clinton actually attacking each others mental stability . Whats it like to be in good hands . Like finding new ways to be taken care of. Home, car, Life Insurance obviously, ohhh. But with added touches you cant get everywhere else, like claim free rewards. Or safe driving bonus checks. Even a claim satisfaction guaranteeeeeeeeeee in means Protection Plus unique extras only from an expert allstate agent. Its good to be in, good hands. All providers. 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Its easy to behave that way when youre mentally ill. Reporter even the conservative Weekly Standard piled on. Donald trump is not of sound mind. That sounded worse than the phrasing Hillary Clinton uses. Temperamentally unfit. Reporter that probably triggered trumps temper. And now hes analyzing hillary. Unstable. Shes unbalanced. Reporter this was the donalds preliminary diagnosis of hillary. Shes really pretty close to unhinged. Reporter but by the very next day, he apparently thought her condition had worsened. She is a totally unhinged person. Reporter one host listed the diagnostic criteria for narcissistic personality disorder. Requiring constant admiration. Reporter and found trump met all 12. Tweeted the former dean of harvard medical school, trump doesnt just have it, he defines it. Donald, himself, was less specific about hillarys symptoms. Honestly i dont think shes all there. Reporter Michael Bloomberg threw trump over for hillary. Lets elect a sane, competent person. 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I want to jumpstart america and it can be done. And it wont even be that hard. Trump made some points about the current state of the economy. Cnns tom foreman has a reality check now. Tom . Reporter hey don. Donald trump attacked the Obama Administration on a subject that hits very close to home. Home ownership is at its lowest rate in 51 years. Reporter the latest measurement we have on that from the Census Bureau says 62. 9 of americans own their homes right now. And that is way down from the high of almost 69 around there a few years back and it hasnt